usenet

[Jeßus]

On Sun, 16 Jun 2013 16:06:21 +1000, F Murtz <haggisz@hotmail.com>
wrote:

Jeßus wrote:
On 15 Jun 2013 22:18:41 GMT, Jasen Betts <jasen@xnet.co.nz> wrote:

On 2013-06-15, F Murtz <haggisz@hotmail.com> wrote:
Andy wrote:
F Murtz wrote:

I have been trying to talk to someone in telstra about usenet and none
of the technical people I have spoken to know what it is, does anyone
know the name of an individual technical person in telstra that that
knows usenet that I can ask the case manager to find for me as they can
not find such an expert?

Astraweb
Giganews
news.individual.net

All should be able to sort you out with a large 'block' of usenet data
that will last you years for less than $20.

The first two seem to exceed $40 per year for their most basic

DON'T STOP READING THERE

eg:

http://www.news.astraweb.com/downloadplans.html

no time limits.
-----------------

How long will a Terabyte of usenet last you? $50

He's not listening.

With my luck they will do a bigpond and close their servers tomorrow.

So why purchase anything at all if thats your concern?
Usenet-News has been around a lot longer than bigpond...

 

[Noddy]

On 16/06/13 4:06 PM, F Murtz wrote:

With my luck they will do a bigpond and close their servers tomorrow.

Seriously, it's hard to imagine *anything* that is available through a
binary news group that you can't find anywhere else on the web for free.


--
--
Regards,
Noddy.

 

[Trevor Wilson]

On 16/06/2013 9:48 AM, Noddy wrote:

On 16/06/13 9:39 AM, Trevor Wilson wrote:

**Cite the precise words in your contract with Telstra, where they
guarantee you free access to newsgroups.

That's it. If he can do that he has a case. If he can't, then his
assumptions have caused his grief.

**Of course he has no case. He's just bleating about the loss of his
NGs. I've been a customer of Telstra a few times over the years. I keep
all my contracts with all my previous ISPs. Not one guarantees free
access to newsgroups. That includes Telstra.

All he has to do is pay 5 Bucks and he'll have access to NGs. Not
binaries, of course. That costs extra.


--
Trevor Wilson www.rageaudio.com.au

 

[Noddy]

"Trevor Wilson" <trevor@SPAMBLOCKrageaudio.com.au> wrote in message
news:b2707pF93ucU1@mid.individual.net...

**Of course he has no case. He's just bleating about the loss of his NGs.
I've been a customer of Telstra a few times over the years. I keep all my
contracts with all my previous ISPs. Not one guarantees free access to
newsgroups. That includes Telstra.

Agreed. I've been "on-line" since before the web existed and I've never seen
anyone advertise Usenet as part of their "package". Most have had server
settings that they'd tell you about if you *asked*, but none have ever
handed them out without asking and I think it's ridiculous to assume that
it's as legitimate a part of your package as having an email address.

Especially when probably over 90% of clients probably don't even know what
Usenet actually is.

All he has to do is pay 5 Bucks and he'll have access to NGs. Not
binaries, of course. That costs extra.

As I mentioned in another post, I don't know why he has such a weed uphis
arse about binary groups when I would imagine just about anything they
offered could be found elsewhere on the web.

And probably more reliably

--
Regards,
Noddy.

 

[Noddy]

"F Murtz" <haggisz@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:kpj8ja$3ao$1@dont-email.me...

Did I ever say it did, just as it probably does non guarantee the mail
server.

Thery guarantee you a number of email adsresses in their terms and
conditions, and that would include providing a mail server in order to use
them.

--
Regards,
Noddy.

 

[D Walford]

On 17/06/2013 9:32 AM, Trevor Wilson wrote:

On 16/06/2013 9:48 AM, Noddy wrote:
On 16/06/13 9:39 AM, Trevor Wilson wrote:

**Cite the precise words in your contract with Telstra, where they
guarantee you free access to newsgroups.

That's it. If he can do that he has a case. If he can't, then his
assumptions have caused his grief.

**Of course he has no case. He's just bleating about the loss of his
NGs. I've been a customer of Telstra a few times over the years. I keep
all my contracts with all my previous ISPs. Not one guarantees free
access to newsgroups.

Internode used to, not sure if they still offer it as part of the
contract but they still offer access to newsgroups via Astraweb.


Daryl

 

[Trevor Wilson]

On 16/06/2013 12:46 PM, F Murtz wrote:

Trevor Wilson wrote:
On 12/06/2013 10:04 PM, F Murtz wrote:
Trevor Wilson wrote:
On 11/06/2013 3:55 PM, F Murtz wrote:
I have been trying to talk to someone in telstra about usenet and none
of the technical people I have spoken to know what it is, does anyone
know the name of an individual technical person in telstra that that
knows usenet that I can ask the case manager to find for me as they
can
not find such an expert?

**For fuck's sake, give it a rest. Pay 5 Bucks and use a private news
service.

Why pay for something I should not have to?

Already paying eighty dollars for this one (bundle)which is my main
reason for the Internet, rarely use the phone sometimes use broad band
to catch up missed tv, major interest newsgroups, bit of research etc
Have eternal sept but it does not have as many groups as bigpond and
does not have binaries.

**Cite the precise words in your contract with Telstra, where they
guarantee you free access to newsgroups.

Did I ever say it did, just as it probably does non guarantee the mail
server.

**Bollocks. They ALL guarantee a mail server and at least one email
address. NONE guarantee newsgroup access.

Pay the 5 Bucks and shut the fuck up.

--
Trevor Wilson www.rageaudio.com.au

 

[Jeßus]

On Mon, 17 Jun 2013 11:07:46 +1000, "Noddy" <me@home.com> wrote:

As I mentioned in another post, I don't know why he has such a weed uphis
arse about binary groups when I would imagine just about anything they
offered could be found elsewhere on the web.

And probably more reliably

Not necessarily, I used to download shit loads from certain binary
groups - mostly music in lossless formats of artists you'll never see
on bittorrrent. A few other things come to mind too. I should get
around to setting up a binary client again and check those groups out,
I kind of lost track of them after moving from the mainland 5 years
ago.

 

[Trevor Wilson]

On 17/06/2013 11:38 AM, D Walford wrote:

On 17/06/2013 9:32 AM, Trevor Wilson wrote:
On 16/06/2013 9:48 AM, Noddy wrote:
On 16/06/13 9:39 AM, Trevor Wilson wrote:

**Cite the precise words in your contract with Telstra, where they
guarantee you free access to newsgroups.

That's it. If he can do that he has a case. If he can't, then his
assumptions have caused his grief.

**Of course he has no case. He's just bleating about the loss of his
NGs. I've been a customer of Telstra a few times over the years. I keep
all my contracts with all my previous ISPs. Not one guarantees free
access to newsgroups.


Internode used to, not sure if they still offer it as part of the
contract but they still offer access to newsgroups via Astraweb.

**Back in the 90s and early 00s, most ISPs offered free newsgroup
access. NONE guaranteed it, however. IME, Telstra's newsgroup service
was second only to the expensive, dedicated newsgroup access organisations.


--
Trevor Wilson www.rageaudio.com.au

 

[F Murtz]

Trevor Wilson wrote:

On 16/06/2013 9:48 AM, Noddy wrote:
On 16/06/13 9:39 AM, Trevor Wilson wrote:

**Cite the precise words in your contract with Telstra, where they
guarantee you free access to newsgroups.

That's it. If he can do that he has a case. If he can't, then his
assumptions have caused his grief.

**Of course he has no case. He's just bleating about the loss of his
NGs. I've been a customer of Telstra a few times over the years. I keep
all my contracts with all my previous ISPs. Not one guarantees free
access to newsgroups. That includes Telstra.

All he has to do is pay 5 Bucks and he'll have access to NGs. Not
binaries, of course. That costs extra.


I have that already and it costs nothing, eternal-september

 

[F Murtz]

Trevor Wilson wrote:

On 16/06/2013 12:46 PM, F Murtz wrote:
Trevor Wilson wrote:
On 12/06/2013 10:04 PM, F Murtz wrote:
Trevor Wilson wrote:
On 11/06/2013 3:55 PM, F Murtz wrote:
I have been trying to talk to someone in telstra about usenet and
none
of the technical people I have spoken to know what it is, does anyone
know the name of an individual technical person in telstra that that
knows usenet that I can ask the case manager to find for me as they
can
not find such an expert?

**For fuck's sake, give it a rest. Pay 5 Bucks and use a private news
service.

Why pay for something I should not have to?

Already paying eighty dollars for this one (bundle)which is my main
reason for the Internet, rarely use the phone sometimes use broad band
to catch up missed tv, major interest newsgroups, bit of research etc
Have eternal sept but it does not have as many groups as bigpond and
does not have binaries.

**Cite the precise words in your contract with Telstra, where they
guarantee you free access to newsgroups.

Did I ever say it did, just as it probably does non guarantee the mail
server.

**Bollocks. They ALL guarantee a mail server and at least one email
address. NONE guarantee newsgroup access.

Pay the 5 Bucks and shut the fuck up.

What 5 bucks, I get it for free now.

 

[F Murtz]

Trevor Wilson wrote:

On 16/06/2013 12:46 PM, F Murtz wrote:
Trevor Wilson wrote:
On 12/06/2013 10:04 PM, F Murtz wrote:
Trevor Wilson wrote:
On 11/06/2013 3:55 PM, F Murtz wrote:
I have been trying to talk to someone in telstra about usenet and
none
of the technical people I have spoken to know what it is, does anyone
know the name of an individual technical person in telstra that that
knows usenet that I can ask the case manager to find for me as they
can
not find such an expert?

**For fuck's sake, give it a rest. Pay 5 Bucks and use a private news
service.

Why pay for something I should not have to?

Already paying eighty dollars for this one (bundle)which is my main
reason for the Internet, rarely use the phone sometimes use broad band
to catch up missed tv, major interest newsgroups, bit of research etc
Have eternal sept but it does not have as many groups as bigpond and
does not have binaries.

**Cite the precise words in your contract with Telstra, where they
guarantee you free access to newsgroups.

Did I ever say it did, just as it probably does non guarantee the mail
server.

**Bollocks. They ALL guarantee a mail server and at least one email
address. NONE guarantee newsgroup access.

Pay the 5 Bucks and shut the fuck up.

Anyway the $5 you are talking about is that per month?

 

[Noddy]

"Jeßus" <none@all.org> wrote in message
news:a9rsr8hh3pkjgs0s6dj9rm3j8ptrv0nl75@4ax.com...

Not necessarily, I used to download shit loads from certain binary
groups - mostly music in lossless formats of artists you'll never see
on bittorrrent. A few other things come to mind too. I should get
around to setting up a binary client again and check those groups out,
I kind of lost track of them after moving from the mainland 5 years
ago.

I guess it depends what you're into. I used binaries religiously years ago,
but with the emergence of websites like Xhamster and PornTube there is
little point these days

--
Regards,
Noddy.

 

[Trevor Wilson]

On 17/06/2013 12:30 PM, F Murtz wrote:

Trevor Wilson wrote:
On 16/06/2013 12:46 PM, F Murtz wrote:
Trevor Wilson wrote:
On 12/06/2013 10:04 PM, F Murtz wrote:
Trevor Wilson wrote:
On 11/06/2013 3:55 PM, F Murtz wrote:
I have been trying to talk to someone in telstra about usenet and
none
of the technical people I have spoken to know what it is, does
anyone
know the name of an individual technical person in telstra that that
knows usenet that I can ask the case manager to find for me as they
can
not find such an expert?

**For fuck's sake, give it a rest. Pay 5 Bucks and use a private news
service.

Why pay for something I should not have to?

Already paying eighty dollars for this one (bundle)which is my main
reason for the Internet, rarely use the phone sometimes use broad band
to catch up missed tv, major interest newsgroups, bit of research etc
Have eternal sept but it does not have as many groups as bigpond and
does not have binaries.

**Cite the precise words in your contract with Telstra, where they
guarantee you free access to newsgroups.

Did I ever say it did, just as it probably does non guarantee the mail
server.

**Bollocks. They ALL guarantee a mail server and at least one email
address. NONE guarantee newsgroup access.

Pay the 5 Bucks and shut the fuck up.

Anyway the $5 you are talking about is that per month?

**No. PA.



--
Trevor Wilson www.rageaudio.com.au

 

[F Murtz]

Trevor Wilson wrote:

On 17/06/2013 12:30 PM, F Murtz wrote:
Trevor Wilson wrote:
On 16/06/2013 12:46 PM, F Murtz wrote:
Trevor Wilson wrote:
On 12/06/2013 10:04 PM, F Murtz wrote:
Trevor Wilson wrote:
On 11/06/2013 3:55 PM, F Murtz wrote:
I have been trying to talk to someone in telstra about usenet and
none
of the technical people I have spoken to know what it is, does
anyone
know the name of an individual technical person in telstra that
that
knows usenet that I can ask the case manager to find for me as they
can
not find such an expert?

**For fuck's sake, give it a rest. Pay 5 Bucks and use a private
news
service.

Why pay for something I should not have to?

Already paying eighty dollars for this one (bundle)which is my main
reason for the Internet, rarely use the phone sometimes use broad
band
to catch up missed tv, major interest newsgroups, bit of research etc
Have eternal sept but it does not have as many groups as bigpond and
does not have binaries.

**Cite the precise words in your contract with Telstra, where they
guarantee you free access to newsgroups.

Did I ever say it did, just as it probably does non guarantee the mail
server.

**Bollocks. They ALL guarantee a mail server and at least one email
address. NONE guarantee newsgroup access.

Pay the 5 Bucks and shut the fuck up.

Anyway the $5 you are talking about is that per month?

**No. PA.



From where?

 

[Peter]

F Murtz <haggisz@hotmail.com> wrote:

Trevor Wilson wrote:
On 17/06/2013 12:30 PM, F Murtz wrote:
Trevor Wilson wrote:
On 16/06/2013 12:46 PM, F Murtz wrote:
Trevor Wilson wrote:
On 12/06/2013 10:04 PM, F Murtz wrote:
Trevor Wilson wrote:
On 11/06/2013 3:55 PM, F Murtz wrote:
I have been trying to talk to someone in telstra about usenet and
none
of the technical people I have spoken to know what it is, does
anyone
know the name of an individual technical person in telstra that
that
knows usenet that I can ask the case manager to find for me as they
can
not find such an expert?

**For fuck's sake, give it a rest. Pay 5 Bucks and use a private
news
service.

Why pay for something I should not have to?

Already paying eighty dollars for this one (bundle)which is my main
reason for the Internet, rarely use the phone sometimes use broad
band
to catch up missed tv, major interest newsgroups, bit of research etc
Have eternal sept but it does not have as many groups as bigpond and
does not have binaries.

**Cite the precise words in your contract with Telstra, where they
guarantee you free access to newsgroups.

Did I ever say it did, just as it probably does non guarantee the mail
server.

**Bollocks. They ALL guarantee a mail server and at least one email
address. NONE guarantee newsgroup access.

Pay the 5 Bucks and shut the fuck up.

Anyway the $5 you are talking about is that per month?

**No. PA.



From where?

This is what I use...

http://usenet-news.net/


It might suit your needs.

--

 

[Geoff]

F Murtz <haggisz@hotmail.com> wrote in
news:kpjk99$c1p$1@dont-email.me:

Jeßus wrote:
On 15 Jun 2013 22:18:41 GMT, Jasen Betts
jasen@xnet.co.nz> wrote:

On 2013-06-15, F Murtz <haggisz@hotmail.com> wrote:
Andy wrote:
F Murtz wrote:

I have been trying to talk to someone in telstra about
usenet and none of the technical people I have spoken
to know what it is, does anyone know the name of an
individual technical person in telstra that that
knows usenet that I can ask the case manager to find
for me as they can not find such an expert?

Astraweb
Giganews
news.individual.net

All should be able to sort you out with a large 'block'
of usenet data that will last you years for less than
$20.

The first two seem to exceed $40 per year for their most
basic

DON'T STOP READING THERE

eg:

http://www.news.astraweb.com/downloadplans.html

no time limits.
-----------------

How long will a Terabyte of usenet last you? $50

He's not listening.

With my luck they will do a bigpond and close their servers
tomorrow.

I use this free server occasionally, it has binaries but I
have not used it much.

http://www.xsusenet.com/

 

[D Walford]

On 17/06/2013 12:06 PM, Trevor Wilson wrote:

On 17/06/2013 11:38 AM, D Walford wrote:
On 17/06/2013 9:32 AM, Trevor Wilson wrote:
On 16/06/2013 9:48 AM, Noddy wrote:
On 16/06/13 9:39 AM, Trevor Wilson wrote:

**Cite the precise words in your contract with Telstra, where they
guarantee you free access to newsgroups.

That's it. If he can do that he has a case. If he can't, then his
assumptions have caused his grief.

**Of course he has no case. He's just bleating about the loss of his
NGs. I've been a customer of Telstra a few times over the years. I keep
all my contracts with all my previous ISPs. Not one guarantees free
access to newsgroups.


Internode used to, not sure if they still offer it as part of the
contract but they still offer access to newsgroups via Astraweb.


**Back in the 90s and early 00s, most ISPs offered free newsgroup
access. NONE guaranteed it, however. IME, Telstra's newsgroup service
was second only to the expensive, dedicated newsgroup access organisations.


Newsgroup access was in Internode's advertising when I first signed up,

don't know if that constitutes a guarantee but it sure sounded like it.
I certainly took it to mean guaranteed access and so did lots of other
people who complained like crazy when some fool decided to shut it off,
they had so many complaints it was back within a couple of days.
No mention of it in their current offerings though.


Daryl

 

[Jeßus]

On Mon, 17 Jun 2013 12:35:52 +1000, "Noddy" <me@home.com> wrote:

"Jeßus" <none@all.org> wrote in message
news:a9rsr8hh3pkjgs0s6dj9rm3j8ptrv0nl75@4ax.com...

Not necessarily, I used to download shit loads from certain binary
groups - mostly music in lossless formats of artists you'll never see
on bittorrrent. A few other things come to mind too. I should get
around to setting up a binary client again and check those groups out,
I kind of lost track of them after moving from the mainland 5 years
ago.

I guess it depends what you're into. I used binaries religiously years ago,
but with the emergence of websites like Xhamster and PornTube there is
little point these days

Yep, the pr0n is ubiquitous these days

 

[Jeßus]

On Mon, 17 Jun 2013 12:29:47 +1000, F Murtz <haggisz@hotmail.com>
wrote:

Trevor Wilson wrote:
On 16/06/2013 12:46 PM, F Murtz wrote:
Trevor Wilson wrote:
On 12/06/2013 10:04 PM, F Murtz wrote:
Trevor Wilson wrote:
On 11/06/2013 3:55 PM, F Murtz wrote:
I have been trying to talk to someone in telstra about usenet and
none
of the technical people I have spoken to know what it is, does anyone
know the name of an individual technical person in telstra that that
knows usenet that I can ask the case manager to find for me as they
can
not find such an expert?

**For fuck's sake, give it a rest. Pay 5 Bucks and use a private news
service.

Why pay for something I should not have to?

Already paying eighty dollars for this one (bundle)which is my main
reason for the Internet, rarely use the phone sometimes use broad band
to catch up missed tv, major interest newsgroups, bit of research etc
Have eternal sept but it does not have as many groups as bigpond and
does not have binaries.

**Cite the precise words in your contract with Telstra, where they
guarantee you free access to newsgroups.

Did I ever say it did, just as it probably does non guarantee the mail
server.

**Bollocks. They ALL guarantee a mail server and at least one email
address. NONE guarantee newsgroup access.

Pay the 5 Bucks and shut the fuck up.

What 5 bucks, I get it for free now.

If you are happy with that. I'm posting from E-S right now, but there
are other intangible benefits of a real news server such as retention.
It's good to know that you can retrieve a post from over 8.5 years ago
or having the full 100000+ list of groups, for example.