Use different size wire in electro clutch?

[lurch]

On Wed, 23 Dec 2009 13:28:00 -0500, Phil Hobbs
<pcdhSpamMeSenseless@electrooptical.net> wrote:

lurch wrote:
On Tue, 22 Dec 2009 01:09:40 -0600, John Fields
jfields@austininstruments.com> wrote:

On Mon, 21 Dec 2009 04:02:30 +0000, Eeyore
rabbitsfriendsandrelations@notcoldmail.com> wrote:


John Fields wrote:

Eeyore <rabbitsfriendsandrelations@removethishotmail.com> wrote:
DaveC wrote:
The coil in an industrial electromagnetic clutch (connecting the flywheel to
the drive mechanism) has gone open-circuit. So it is being rewound by a motor
rewind shop.

I was just informed that the original wire was about 12 ga. (maybe slightly
larger; original was metric) but it was rewound using 10 ga.
Why do Americans persist in using stupid AWG that no-one else in the
world uses except to entertain you ?
---
Because we like to be entertained by watching loons like you go bonkers
when we force you to step outside of your wretched little comfort zones?
I didn't go bonkers at all. I just picked an easy target to stir you up.
---
And why would you want to do that? Just to make trouble, no doubt.

I noticed that while you were gone the atmosphere around here stunk a
lot less like shit than usual.

Now you're back and the place is starting to stink again. Too bad...
---

America: "Hello, Europe, we'd like to buy 50,000 pounds of #10 AWG OFHC
double formvar magnet wire.

Europe: But... but all we have is metric sizes, in kilograms, boo hoo.
We can convert too, you know. Thankfully only an issue for you lot.
---
Are Levi's sold over there with waist sizes in centimeters or do you
have to convert 112 cm to find what you can wear?
---

Have you never heard of mm^2 ?
---
Sure we have.

So what?
Why don't you use it ?
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Because it doesn't suit us in everyday life?

JF

I'll bet folks in the industry were calling out wire by American Wire
Gauge calls long before folks 'over there' were calling wires out in
direct cross sectional area numerics. We hade/have circular mils, and
you guys have square millimeters.

Eventually, the world will, perhaps, be all metric. Maybe one day
there will be a singular monetary system or government... sure.

Don't hold your breath.

For now we will all, both you (Eeyore's 'over there' crowd)and us,
savor the nostalgia that our truly scientific ancestors gave us. We will
cling to those things that we think important. Every 'scientist' knows
how to measure length regardless of what ticks are on the scale... still,
every man likes to do so with *his own* ruler.

All the automation and such in 'science and industry' these days has
made for some 'scientists' that are titled or held in regards that are
far beyond their actual level of competency or depth of knowledge.

I am glad that you are not in that boat, John.

The classical engineers are all but gone... a dying breed.

And as the sun sinks slowly into the west, we bid a fond farewell to the
great engineers of the past. It was a dark and stormy night, ......

I know some pretty amazing ones, so the breed is far from dead.

Cheers

Phil Hobbs

I'd bet all hold degrees that are more than ten years old, and come
from educational paradigms that are a far cry from what takes place in
today's classrooms.

Kids these days are lucky. What should really happen is that they all
get forced to use a slide rule for the entire first year of secondary
school. Get a feel for the numbers, as it were.

 

[lurch]

On Wed, 23 Dec 2009 13:01:00 -0600, John Fields
<jfields@austininstruments.com> wrote:

On Tue, 22 Dec 2009 17:41:34 -0800, lurch
lurch@yourangcousinitslibrary.org> wrote:

On Thu, 17 Dec 2009 19:32:12 -0600, John Fields
jfields@austininstruments.com> wrote:

On Thu, 17 Dec 2009 16:34:42 -0500, "Michael A. Terrell"
mike.terrell@earthlink.net> wrote:


John Fields wrote:

On Thu, 17 Dec 2009 11:06:47 -0700, "bg" <bg@nospam.com> wrote:

Metric is for people that have to count on their fingers !

I prefer base 21.


Only because 42 is the second number in that base.

---
Nope, it's because I can use all my "digits" to count with.

JF

metacarpals?

---
No, the distal phalanges of my fingers and toes, plus one other
appendage.

Interestingly, Indians from India count on their fingers using all of
their phalanges in sequence, like this:

Proximal Phalange Intermediate Phalange Distal Phalange
--------------------------------+-----------------------+--------------
Little Finger 1 2 3
Ring Finger 4 5 6
Middle Finger 7 8 9
Index Finger 10 11 12

So, by using both hands, they can count up to 144 on their fingers.


JF

I only get 38, and that included using the metacarpals. 19 each hand.

 

[lurch]

On Wed, 23 Dec 2009 14:55:41 -0600, "Tim Williams"
<tmoranwms@charter.net> wrote:

"Michael A. Terrell" <mike.terrell@earthlink.net> wrote in message
news:taWdndblifsIzq_WnZ2dnUVZ_jxi4p2d@earthlink.com...
No, the answer to "Life, the Universe and Everything" is 42.

If that doesn't make sense to you, it's because you don't understand the
question. The question is "What is six times nine?"

The only way any of this works out is if '42' is in base 13. (4*13+2=6*9)

'So long, and thanks for all the fish'

Ghoti?

Tim

Got Tea?

 

[JosephKK]

On Mon, 21 Dec 2009 03:17:14 +0000, Eeyore <rabbitsfriendsandrelations@notcoldmail.com> wrote:

James Sweet wrote:

Eeyore wrote:
DaveC wrote:
The coil in an industrial electromagnetic clutch (connecting the
flywheel to the drive mechanism) has gone open-circuit. So it is being
rewound by a motor rewind shop.

I was just informed that the original wire was about 12 ga. (maybe
slightly larger; original was metric) but it was rewound using 10 ga.

Why do Americans persist in using stupid AWG that no-one else in the
world uses except to entertain you ?

Have you never heard of mm^2 ?

Graham

You paint with a wide brush. I'd be perfectly content to use metric, and
end up using both systems regularly but it's not as if it's up to me
what the whole country uses.

The USA is 'supposed' to be metricated. hy you choose to be so backward never
fails to amaze me. Any given wire gauge covers a wide range of
cross-sectional areas. At least you know what you're getting with mm2.

Graham

Oh that is quite straightforward, the powers that be are aware that the clarity
of metric units assists in thinking straight; and they don't want the proles to
do that.

 

[JosephKK]

On Tue, 22 Dec 2009 04:03:10 +0100, Sjouke Burry <burrynulnulfour@ppllaanneett.nnll> wrote:

Jamie wrote:
Eeyore wrote:

Ron wrote:


of course as any fool knows it should be either SWG or thousanths of an
inch

LOL ! Give me a thou over a 'mil' anyday. Only the Americans could confuse a
metric prefix with an old unit.

Not to mention that if you use the word 'mil' in the UK it means a millimetre.

The way I see it, you're not able to comprehend the vast complexity of
the intellectually enhanced American!

Did that just about sum it up?



I will try to remove the bad taste with a swig of
Coffee/rooibos..............
Nah, that failed.

About the only thing that will cleanse something like that is RFNA. Rinse with
minute amounts of ADMH (small amounts because it is rather toxic, plus it reacts
violently with even trace amounts of RFNA).

 

[JosephKK]

On Wed, 23 Dec 2009 13:01:00 -0600, John Fields <jfields@austininstruments.com> wrote:

On Tue, 22 Dec 2009 17:41:34 -0800, lurch
lurch@yourangcousinitslibrary.org> wrote:

On Thu, 17 Dec 2009 19:32:12 -0600, John Fields
jfields@austininstruments.com> wrote:

On Thu, 17 Dec 2009 16:34:42 -0500, "Michael A. Terrell"
mike.terrell@earthlink.net> wrote:


John Fields wrote:

On Thu, 17 Dec 2009 11:06:47 -0700, "bg" <bg@nospam.com> wrote:

Metric is for people that have to count on their fingers !

I prefer base 21.


Only because 42 is the second number in that base.

---
Nope, it's because I can use all my "digits" to count with.

JF

metacarpals?

---
No, the distal phalanges of my fingers and toes, plus one other
appendage.

Interestingly, Indians from India count on their fingers using all of
their phalanges in sequence, like this:

Proximal Phalange Intermediate Phalange Distal Phalange
--------------------------------+-----------------------+--------------
Little Finger 1 2 3
Ring Finger 4 5 6
Middle Finger 7 8 9
Index Finger 10 11 12

So, by using both hands, they can count up to 144 on their fingers.


JF

And this lowly american can count to over 1000 using the digits of my hands.

 

[John Fields]

On Thu, 24 Dec 2009 16:08:56 -0800, "JosephKK"<quiettechblue@yahoo.com>
wrote:

On Wed, 23 Dec 2009 13:01:00 -0600, John Fields <jfields@austininstruments.com> wrote:

On Tue, 22 Dec 2009 17:41:34 -0800, lurch
lurch@yourangcousinitslibrary.org> wrote:

On Thu, 17 Dec 2009 19:32:12 -0600, John Fields
jfields@austininstruments.com> wrote:

On Thu, 17 Dec 2009 16:34:42 -0500, "Michael A. Terrell"
mike.terrell@earthlink.net> wrote:


John Fields wrote:

On Thu, 17 Dec 2009 11:06:47 -0700, "bg" <bg@nospam.com> wrote:

Metric is for people that have to count on their fingers !

I prefer base 21.


Only because 42 is the second number in that base.

---
Nope, it's because I can use all my "digits" to count with.

JF

metacarpals?

---
No, the distal phalanges of my fingers and toes, plus one other
appendage.

Interestingly, Indians from India count on their fingers using all of
their phalanges in sequence, like this:

Proximal Phalange Intermediate Phalange Distal Phalange
--------------------------------+-----------------------+--------------
Little Finger 1 2 3
Ring Finger 4 5 6
Middle Finger 7 8 9
Index Finger 10 11 12

So, by using both hands, they can count up to 144 on their fingers.


JF

And this lowly american can count to over 1000 using the digits of my hands.

---
(2^10) - 1

JF

 

[Fred Abse]

On Mon, 21 Dec 2009 03:57:21 +0000, Eeyore wrote:

bg wrote:

Metric is for people that have to count on their fingers !

What an absurd comment. Do you have 12 fingers so you can count in inches to the
foot ?

Maybe some folks in the Appalachians, or the bayous ;-)

--
"Electricity is of two kinds, positive and negative. The difference
is, I presume, that one comes a little more expensive, but is more
durable; the other is a cheaper thing, but the moths get into it."
(Stephen Leacock)

 

[Michael A. Terrell]

Fred Abse wrote:

On Mon, 21 Dec 2009 03:57:21 +0000, Eeyore wrote:



bg wrote:

Metric is for people that have to count on their fingers !

What an absurd comment. Do you have 12 fingers so you can count in inches to the
foot ?


Maybe some folks in the Appalachians, or the bayous ;-)

Some of the Brits don't have 12 teeth left. More have 10.


--
Offworld checks no longer accepted!

 

[krw]

On Fri, 25 Dec 2009 13:18:50 -0500, "Michael A. Terrell"
<mike.terrell@earthlink.net> wrote:

Fred Abse wrote:

On Mon, 21 Dec 2009 03:57:21 +0000, Eeyore wrote:



bg wrote:

Metric is for people that have to count on their fingers !

What an absurd comment. Do you have 12 fingers so you can count in inches to the
foot ?


Maybe some folks in the Appalachians, or the bayous ;-)


Some of the Brits don't have 12 teeth left. More have 10.

That's whole towns. Well, they are socialists.

 

[Michael A. Terrell]

krw wrote:

On Fri, 25 Dec 2009 13:18:50 -0500, "Michael A. Terrell"
mike.terrell@earthlink.net> wrote:


Fred Abse wrote:

On Mon, 21 Dec 2009 03:57:21 +0000, Eeyore wrote:



bg wrote:

Metric is for people that have to count on their fingers !

What an absurd comment. Do you have 12 fingers so you can count in inches to the
foot ?


Maybe some folks in the Appalachians, or the bayous ;-)


Some of the Brits don't have 12 teeth left. More have 10.

That's whole towns. Well, they are socialists.

And a lot are antisocial.


--
Offworld checks no longer accepted!

 

[JosephKK]

On Fri, 25 Dec 2009 11:13:47 -0600, John Fields <jfields@austininstruments.com> wrote:

On Thu, 24 Dec 2009 16:08:56 -0800, "JosephKK"<quiettechblue@yahoo.com
wrote:

On Wed, 23 Dec 2009 13:01:00 -0600, John Fields <jfields@austininstruments.com> wrote:

On Tue, 22 Dec 2009 17:41:34 -0800, lurch
lurch@yourangcousinitslibrary.org> wrote:

On Thu, 17 Dec 2009 19:32:12 -0600, John Fields
jfields@austininstruments.com> wrote:

On Thu, 17 Dec 2009 16:34:42 -0500, "Michael A. Terrell"
mike.terrell@earthlink.net> wrote:


John Fields wrote:

On Thu, 17 Dec 2009 11:06:47 -0700, "bg" <bg@nospam.com> wrote:

Metric is for people that have to count on their fingers !

I prefer base 21.


Only because 42 is the second number in that base.

---
Nope, it's because I can use all my "digits" to count with.

JF

metacarpals?

---
No, the distal phalanges of my fingers and toes, plus one other
appendage.

Interestingly, Indians from India count on their fingers using all of
their phalanges in sequence, like this:

Proximal Phalange Intermediate Phalange Distal Phalange
--------------------------------+-----------------------+--------------
Little Finger 1 2 3
Ring Finger 4 5 6
Middle Finger 7 8 9
Index Finger 10 11 12

So, by using both hands, they can count up to 144 on their fingers.


JF

And this lowly american can count to over 1000 using the digits of my hands.

---
(2^10) - 1

JF

Of course you knew.

 

[Tim Williams]

"JosephKK" <quiettechblue@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:l0oaj5tt2h7ppk2doaj7gp9hff0nqqh8fh@4ax.com...

And this lowly american can count to over 1000 using the digits of my
hands.

---
(2^10) - 1

Of course you knew.

Oh yeah, well I can count to roughly 1e16.*

*However, counting by ones, I get stuck... 125, 126, 127, 127, 127...

Tim

--
Deep Friar: a very philosophical monk.
Website: http://webpages.charter.net/dawill/tmoranwms

 

[Fred Abse]

On Fri, 25 Dec 2009 17:46:27 -0500, Michael A. Terrell wrote:

krw wrote:

On Fri, 25 Dec 2009 13:18:50 -0500, "Michael A. Terrell"
mike.terrell@earthlink.net> wrote:


Fred Abse wrote:

On Mon, 21 Dec 2009 03:57:21 +0000, Eeyore wrote:



bg wrote:

Metric is for people that have to count on their fingers !

What an absurd comment. Do you have 12 fingers so you can count in inches to the
foot ?


Maybe some folks in the Appalachians, or the bayous ;-)


Some of the Brits don't have 12 teeth left. More have 10.

That's whole towns. Well, they are socialists.


And a lot are antisocial.

It does appear that socialism and antisocial behavior go together. Look at
the behavior of left-wing demonstrators.

--
"Electricity is of two kinds, positive and negative. The difference
is, I presume, that one comes a little more expensive, but is more
durable; the other is a cheaper thing, but the moths get into it."
(Stephen Leacock)