Update your XP machine

On Sunday, May 19, 2019 at 10:22:46 AM UTC-4, Sylvia Else wrote:

On 16/05/2019 2:04 pm, bitrex wrote:
https://www.wired.com/story/microsoft-windows-xp-patch-very-bad-sign/?utm_source=facebook&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=wired&utm_brand=wired&utm_social-type=owned&mbid=social_fb&fbclid=IwAR32t0CMFVPvsWeUtE8j-KHTf7JAQir5Z3INDu9inRktnfWOGl-NnleyB6s


Malware exploiting the vulnerability will be hitting the 'net in the
next 48 hours

Or disable remote administration.

Why is that enabled by default anyway?

Sylvia.

Has anyone verified that if it's disabled, then the vulnerability does not
exist? It's possible that the route for the hack uses some part of the OS
that remote administration uses, but that turning it off still leaves
that path open.

 

On Sunday, May 19, 2019 at 8:44:36 PM UTC-4, DecadentLinux...@decadence.org wrote:

jurb6006@gmail.com wrote in news:ced08ff7-91e5-4250-93f3-
d6412e42672c@googlegroups.com:


Bill and Belinda,

They are not with Microsoft any more, you dippy dork.

Wrong again. Bill Gates still holds a position as technology adviser
at MSFT.

 

[Martin Brown]

On 17/05/2019 05:27, Jeff Liebermann wrote:

On Fri, 17 May 2019 13:37:41 +1000, Clifford Heath
no.spam@please.net> wrote:

On 16/5/19 2:04 pm, bitrex wrote:
https://www.wired.com/story/microsoft-windows-xp-patch-very-bad-sign/?utm_source=facebook&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=wired&utm_brand=wired&utm_social-type=owned&mbid=social_fb&fbclid=IwAR32t0CMFVPvsWeUtE8j-KHTf7JAQir5Z3INDu9inRktnfWOGl-NnleyB6s
Malware exploiting the vulnerability will be hitting the 'net in the
next 48 hours

If you've got an XP machine on the Internet, you already have more
malware than you need.

Both my office and home desktops run XP. One of the laptops I drag
around in my car runs Vista. I have had problems, but not with
malware. Malwarebytes and Avast are sufficient to keep the forces of
evil at a distance. What has gone wrong is that some of the software
that I use quite often, will not run or update on XP. Specifically,
Adobe products, Firefox, TurboTacks, Skype, drivers for the latest
printers and hardware, etc. I have no plans to go down with a sinking
ship, and am slowly and painfully migrating the important programs to
various machines running later Windoze mutations.

XP market share is less than 1% and falling:
http://gs.statcounter.com/windows-version-market-share/desktop/worldwide/#monthly-201609-201904

Things that are still stuck on XP include a lot of embedded kit where it
has been largely forgotten that they are on that version and some high
end capital kit with a typically 20-30 year lifespan where the PC
controls it and the manufacturer has never provided drivers for later
version of the Windows OS. Instrument makers all view software and
drivers as a necessary evil to sell their latest and greatest hardware.

Such kit is very carefully firewalled so it cannot be infected from
outside or if compromised infect the rest of the corporate network.

However Windoze 7 still has 33% market share. It's been about 5 years
since Microsoft stopped admitting that they wrote XP. I might switch
to Windoze 7 and junp ship when it sinks in 5 years.

If you are moving to Win7 now you might as well move to Win10 and get
some additional hassle free lifespan. Moving to an OS already scheduled
for its demise in January 2020 - that is less than a year away!

https://support.microsoft.com/en-gb/help/4057281

Avoid Win8.x like the plague - it is another Vista.

They might relent on Win7 and back down but possibly not until some
catastrophic malware bites everyone in the backside and takes down some
banks and hospital appointment systems like happened two years ago.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-39899646
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-39896393

I have found it possible (and in fact slightly easier) to get some of
the legacy software to run under Win10 Pro than on Win7. The only
exception are some prehistoric installers that rely on 16bit code.

--
Regards,
Martin Brown

 

Moving to an OS already scheduled
for its demise in January 2020 - that is less than a year away!

What I am running right now is from 2001, and so is the ONLY "update" I ever allowed, SP2. NOT THREE. But then this is not the regular version of XP.

I BET you I can keep this thing running for another five years. Not to forget that the OS will be 23 years old then.

Pretty new for me. And my email, which you can find by me posting here, does not automatically open attachments. In fact even an infected JPG, I'll download it and open in it a program from about 1993. It is INCAPABLE of doing anything. If it doesn't open it then out it goes.

Those EXEs downloaded ? It doesn't even ASK to open them, you have to know what to do to get them to run, and you must the the administrator.

Five years ? Standing on my head.

I do now have a Win 7 PC, a laptop given to me by chosen family. They want me to do a little house remodeling so maybe it is like a partial payment. I am not sure I want it.

Well maybe, I could get Dropbox again, but it is not what it once was. I used to be able to host webpages on it with pictures and all that shit and they apparently don't like that anymore. But just pictures would be OK, for free ? Hell yeah.

But there are plenty of other ones. In fact maybe I should just get hosting..

But I can't deal with all that right now, I need to get some work done, a parts order in and shit like that, plus I got house type work to do, not just here but somewhere else.

I dunno, I can probably squeeze in registering the thing with the wifi. It was maintained by an expert, the only thing I should really do is get all her private info off it. Then I dunno.

Believe me, if I could get drivers for it I would load XP on it.

Know what someone tried to tell me ? Running XP I could get hacked and my connection and system used to host kiddie porn and the feds might just drag me off in chains.

I CANNOT EVEN DO THAT. The ISP simply won't allow it just like most end user ISPs.

Scare me into buying more junk from Bill Gates. Nice try, well not really....

 

>Some of the really bizarre, kooky things you post makes me >question your sanity.

That's good.

Know why ?

 

[Martin Brown]

On 24/05/2019 07:27, jurb6006@gmail.com wrote:

Moving to an OS already scheduled for its demise in January 2020 -
that is less than a year away!

What I am running right now is from 2001, and so is the ONLY "update"
I ever allowed, SP2. NOT THREE. But then this is not the regular
version of XP.

I BET you I can keep this thing running for another five years. Not
to forget that the OS will be 23 years old then.

Provided that it is never connected to the internet and used with great
care that is probably true. Software in general becomes more reliable
with continued use on the same platform. The solution for all the big
science kit that is still stuck on XP or OS/2 is never to let it see the
corporate network. Vista has pretty much died out completely.

The NHS and some banks went down spectacularly two years ago to Wannacry
because their network security people think like you do.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/05/13/nhs-cyber-attack-everything-need-know-biggest-ransomware-offensive/

The NSA facilitated the attack by allowing hackers to steal military
grade malware. When military intelligence is that dumb all bets are off!

Pretty new for me. And my email, which you can find by me posting
here, does not automatically open attachments. In fact even an
infected JPG, I'll download it and open in it a program from about
1993. It is INCAPABLE of doing anything. If it doesn't open it then
out it goes.

Those EXEs downloaded ? It doesn't even ASK to open them, you have to
know what to do to get them to run, and you must the the
administrator.

Five years ? Standing on my head.

Although when connected to the internet you will be exposing some
vulnerabilities that could result in pretty disastrous behaviour and
being a vector for the infection of other similarly dated machines.

If you are lucky most of the attacks will now be targetted against Win7
which presents the greatest opportunities for the hackers. However, some
of those may also work against previous versions of Windoze.

Know what someone tried to tell me ? Running XP I could get hacked
and my connection and system used to host kiddie porn and the feds
might just drag me off in chains.

I recall one Bank Holiday when a big corporate network had a bug that
allowed world read/write but not directory privileges for ftp. The
police were fairly understanding and the logs were turned over to them -
not that it did any good as the perpetrators were far too good at
covering their tracks. It was never publicly reported at the time. The
configuration bug was of course fixed as a matter of priority.

--
Regards,
Martin Brown

 

jurb6006@gmail.com wrote in
news:1a53cd0f-7ea3-4fd5-a5ff-5fd4103ea37b@googlegroups.com:

What I am running right now is from 2001, and so is the ONLY
"update" I ever allowed, SP2. NOT THREE. But then this is not the
regular version of XP.

I BET you I can keep this thing running for another five years.
Not to forget that the OS will be 23 years old then.

Yeah, sure... just not online.

Sure, you get online with it for a few moments.

Boot that fucker up, get online, and let it sit there for hours and
see how fast it gets pinged and hacked.

 

[Rick C]

On Friday, May 24, 2019 at 8:09:55 AM UTC-4, DecadentLinux...@decadence.org wrote:

jurb6006@gmail.com wrote in
news:1a53cd0f-7ea3-4fd5-a5ff-5fd4103ea37b@googlegroups.com:

What I am running right now is from 2001, and so is the ONLY
"update" I ever allowed, SP2. NOT THREE. But then this is not the
regular version of XP.

I BET you I can keep this thing running for another five years.
Not to forget that the OS will be 23 years old then.

Yeah, sure... just not online.

Sure, you get online with it for a few moments.

Boot that fucker up, get online, and let it sit there for hours and
see how fast it gets pinged and hacked.

Years ago there was a virus that would attack Win2k machines as soon as they went online. I was updating a friend's machine that had crapped out and kept forgetting to install the patch before I went online to download and install all the other updates. Every single time it would get infected in no more than 5 minutes and this was in the days of dialup! I finally got it right, but it shows the need for checklists even when doing simple things if they are slow and tedious.

--

Rick C.

--+ Get 5,000 miles of free Supercharging
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On Thu, 16 May 2019 00:04:40 -0400, bitrex <user@example.net> wrote:

https://www.wired.com/story/microsoft-windows-xp-patch-very-bad-sign/?utm_source=facebook&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=wired&utm_brand=wired&utm_social-type=owned&mbid=social_fb&fbclid=IwAR32t0CMFVPvsWeUtE8j-KHTf7JAQir5Z3INDu9inRktnfWOGl-NnleyB6s

Malware exploiting the vulnerability will be hitting the 'net in the
next 48 hours

Why bother ?

Take any computer that still boots some old version of Windows and put
it on the net for a few weeks .

Any old system designed with data security in mind should still work
well.

Any system relying of generating patches as soon as some bugs are
detected will ultimately always fail.

 

>Provided that it is never connected to the internet and used with >great care that is probably true.

Online everyday. Fast as fuck usually and I never reboot and I do not update except I will let AVG do it. Not having that for automatic virus removal well, it is just a pain in the ass. Into the registry and anytime you go there you can fuck it up. I have had to, and I am not afraid but I don't like it. I will agree however that you DO have to be an advanced user to use XP these days. Also, though I do go online none of the sites I use are prone to have a virus or anything. What it is is that I know what NOT to do. For example I already told whats his face here I am not going to anymore tinyurls. I know how to get a huge URL in there.

>Software in general becomes more reliable with continued use on >the same platform.

I seem to have noticed that with some. I have no real idea why but I think it like adapts, either the OS to the program or vice versa, in some cases maybe the hardware affects it. Speaking of which, never update drivers. That is for when you install some shit and it won't work with your videocard or some shit, not just doing it all the time when they come out. PLENTY of times I have has to remove new drivers, or "roll back driver". The it worls again. Not a big selling point for them... In fact, why would they do it for free in the first place ?

>The solution for all the big science kit that is still stuck on XP >or OS/2 is never to let it see the corporate network.

Well I got balls. I am having no problems. My network is firewalled and I think all the PCs. But you know, I am not going to get a viris here, or on Audioasylum, or my email because it is in standard view, or that one private site I go to, or Hifiengine, or Electrotanya. I ust don't do a hell of alot more than that. I download a few videos with Qd, it certainly knows if the file is any good, it identifies it and gives you selection of resolution and all that shit. Far as I know a virus does not have a resolution.

>Vista has pretty much died out completely.

Yeah, because it is a piece of shit. the old XP horse runs fine but in the Vista box the GUI is slow, cursor control is realy bad, it takes like over a minute and a half just to CLOSE FF52, and it takes forever to boot or shutdown. What's more I had more problems with it than the XP box. The UAC is worth shit, my XP is more secure than that.

I know it will stop one day - but not today.

 

Any old system designed with data security in mind should still work
well.

You know, 98SE might even be better, I bet a new virus would not even run on it. Like the screen shows up you get "fuckupyourpc.exe is not a valid Win32 application" or some shit. They can't even bring back NYB. It doesn't propagate on the net unless you get it in an ISO, and those, did they even exist ?


Hmm, just what could I get to work on OS/2 ?