Update your XP machine

[Jeff Liebermann]

On Thu, 16 May 2019 23:33:40 -0800, Robert Baer
<robertbaer@localnet.com> wrote:

Jeff Liebermann wrote:
On Fri, 17 May 2019 13:37:41 +1000, Clifford Heath
no.spam@please.net> wrote:

On 16/5/19 2:04 pm, bitrex wrote:
https://www.wired.com/story/microsoft-windows-xp-patch-very-bad-sign/?utm_source=facebook&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=wired&utm_brand=wired&utm_social-type=owned&mbid=social_fb&fbclid=IwAR32t0CMFVPvsWeUtE8j-KHTf7JAQir5Z3INDu9inRktnfWOGl-NnleyB6s
Malware exploiting the vulnerability will be hitting the 'net in the
next 48 hours

If you've got an XP machine on the Internet, you already have more
malware than you need.

Both my office and home desktops run XP. One of the laptops I drag
around in my car runs Vista. I have had problems, but not with
malware. Malwarebytes and Avast are sufficient to keep the forces of
evil at a distance. What has gone wrong is that some of the software
that I use quite often, will not run or update on XP. Specifically,
Adobe products, Firefox, TurboTacks, Skype, drivers for the latest

* -----------------^-- use Mozilla Firefox 52.9.0

52.9.0 is the last version that will install on XP. Firefox will not
update to anything higher. On my Win 7 and higher versions, I'm
currently at 66.0.5. I'm already seeing some of my extensions not
supported on 52.9.0 due to the requirement that they be signed:
<https://support.mozilla.org/en-US/kb/add-on-signing-in-firefox>

* Adobe? The video players seem to work and insist on updates, which
also seem to work. Never tried to find the most "modern" Acrobat reader
as i use Acrobat 4.0 for PDF R/W. When the more "modern" PDFs crash it
(still rare), i use the Foxit reader.

You're talking about all the free products, which do continue to run
and update on XP. However, Adobe allegedly doesn't test or support
these on XP:
<https://helpx.adobe.com/acrobat/kb/end-of-support-acrobat-reader-on-winxp.html>
Windows XP will be removed from the system requirements
(tech specs). Adobe won't fix any Acrobat or Reader bugs
specific to the Windows XP operating system.
I've switched to PDF-XChange viewer (free):
<https://www.tracker-software.com/product/pdf-xchange-viewer>

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[bitrex]

On 5/17/19 5:02 AM, Phil Hobbs wrote:

On 5/17/19 3:34 AM, Robert Baer wrote:
bitrex wrote:
On 5/17/19 12:27 AM, Jeff Liebermann wrote:
On Fri, 17 May 2019 13:37:41 +1000, Clifford Heath
no.spam@please.net> wrote:

On 16/5/19 2:04 pm, bitrex wrote:
https://www.wired.com/story/microsoft-windows-xp-patch-very-bad-sign/?utm_source=facebook&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=wired&utm_brand=wired&utm_social-type=owned&mbid=social_fb&fbclid=IwAR32t0CMFVPvsWeUtE8j-KHTf7JAQir5Z3INDu9inRktnfWOGl-NnleyB6s

Malware exploiting the vulnerability will be hitting the 'net in the
next 48 hours

If you've got an XP machine on the Internet, you already have more
malware than you need.

Both my office and home desktops run XP.  One of the laptops I drag
around in my car runs Vista.  I have had problems, but not with
malware.  Malwarebytes and Avast are sufficient to keep the forces of
evil at a distance.  What has gone wrong is that some of the software
that I use quite often, will not run or update on XP.  Specifically,
Adobe products, Firefox, TurboTacks, Skype, drivers for the latest
printers and hardware, etc.  I have no plans to go down with a sinking
ship, and am slowly and painfully migrating the important programs to
various machines running later Windoze mutations.

XP market share is less than 1% and falling:
http://gs.statcounter.com/windows-version-market-share/desktop/worldwide/#monthly-201609-201904

However Windoze 7 still has 33% market share.  It's been about 5 years
since Microsoft stopped admitting that they wrote XP.  I might switch
to Windoze 7 and junp ship when it sinks in 5 years.


just install linux and stop the insanity
   Yes..then no Windoz programs operate properly.

I use some Windows programs, mostly Mathcad, LTspice, and Diptrace, but
some others as well.  They all run fine under wine in three flavours of
Linux.

With some programs you do have to figure out which DLLs are needed, but
that's not a big problem for a technical person.

MS's current EULA would allow them to access anything on my computers. A
lot of what I do is covered by NDAs and court protective orders, so
there could be serious legal consequences (including jail) if I let MS
do that.

No, thanks.

Cheers

Phil Hobbs

XP runs great in a virtual machine, VirtualBox, even my couple pieces of
legacy USB hardware works fine with USB-pass thru and the original XP
drivers installed on the VM. Only thing that is a non-starter with a VM
is non-standard interface hardware (e.g. not Ethernet, storage, or audio
controller) on the PCI bus that needs kernel-mode drivers or w/e.

 

[Jeff Liebermann]

On Fri, 17 May 2019 06:32:39 +0000 (UTC),
DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno@decadence.org wrote:

Jeff Liebermann <jeffl@cruzio.com> wrote in
news:52dsdelifnc2h4jv65li18b4hnqd7a1auf@4ax.com:

Skype,

skype only updates on windows 10 machines.

Wrong. I'm on a Win 7 machine right now. Skype was updated yesterday
to 8.45.0.41. Microsloth has discontinued support to many older
products including XP, but Win 7 and 8.1 are still supported:

"Which Skype enabled devices or platforms are no longer supported?"
<https://support.skype.com/en/faq/FA34763/which-skype-enabled-devices-or-platforms-are-no-longer-supported>
Looks like they haven't gotten around to officially pounding the nails
into the XP coffin yet. That gives me some hope that XP support might
be raised from the dead.

"What are the system requirements for Skype?"
<https://support.skype.com/en/faq/fa10328/what-are-the-system-requirements-for-skype>
Skype (version 8) on Windows Desktop requires:
Windows 10 Version 1507 or above
Windows 8.1
Windows 8
Windows 7 (32-bit and 64-bit versions supported)

So it is written, so it must be. In the future, could I trouble you
to corroborate your assertions with a URL reference? If not, could
you just use Google to check your assertions?

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[Jeff Liebermann]

On Fri, 17 May 2019 15:39:14 +1000, Clifford Heath
<no.spam@please.net> wrote:

On 17/5/19 2:27 pm, Jeff Liebermann wrote:
On Fri, 17 May 2019 13:37:41 +1000, Clifford Heath
no.spam@please.net> wrote:

On 16/5/19 2:04 pm, bitrex wrote:
https://www.wired.com/story/microsoft-windows-xp-patch-very-bad-sign/?utm_source=facebook&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=wired&utm_brand=wired&utm_social-type=owned&mbid=social_fb&fbclid=IwAR32t0CMFVPvsWeUtE8j-KHTf7JAQir5Z3INDu9inRktnfWOGl-NnleyB6s
Malware exploiting the vulnerability will be hitting the 'net in the
next 48 hours

If you've got an XP machine on the Internet, you already have more
malware than you need.

Both my office and home desktops run XP. One of the laptops I drag
around in my car runs Vista. I have had problems, but not with
malware.

I've watched as newly-installed XP systems got infected less than ten
seconds after getting an IP address for the first time.

With all the necessary XP updates? I've done the same thing by
putting the XP box on the internet without a protective firewall. As
I vaguely recall, it took about an hour without a firewall. With a
proper (router) firewall, no malware. Browsing random web sites is
another story. Without malware protection, the machine was infected
fairly quickly, mostly by hijacked web sites distributing adware or
weird extensions. Installing Malwarebytes (registered version)
eliminated that problem. Of my 3 working XP machines, I haven't had a
malware or virus problem for years.

I still use some XP too, but it's virtualised in a host-only networking
environment that's behind reasonable firewalls.

Methinks the firewall might explain why XP still works. One of my
Linux boxes has an XP VM installed. However, I don't use it
sufficiently to know if it's adequately protected.

>Clifford Heath.
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[bitrex]

On 5/17/19 12:19 PM, Rick C wrote:

On Friday, May 17, 2019 at 12:27:05 AM UTC-4, Jeff Liebermann wrote:
On Fri, 17 May 2019 13:37:41 +1000, Clifford Heath
no.spam@please.net> wrote:

On 16/5/19 2:04 pm, bitrex wrote:
https://www.wired.com/story/microsoft-windows-xp-patch-very-bad-sign/?utm_source=facebook&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=wired&utm_brand=wired&utm_social-type=owned&mbid=social_fb&fbclid=IwAR32t0CMFVPvsWeUtE8j-KHTf7JAQir5Z3INDu9inRktnfWOGl-NnleyB6s
Malware exploiting the vulnerability will be hitting the 'net in the
next 48 hours

If you've got an XP machine on the Internet, you already have more
malware than you need.

Both my office and home desktops run XP. One of the laptops I drag
around in my car runs Vista. I have had problems, but not with
malware. Malwarebytes and Avast are sufficient to keep the forces of
evil at a distance. What has gone wrong is that some of the software
that I use quite often, will not run or update on XP. Specifically,
Adobe products, Firefox, TurboTacks, Skype, drivers for the latest
printers and hardware, etc. I have no plans to go down with a sinking
ship, and am slowly and painfully migrating the important programs to
various machines running later Windoze mutations.

XP market share is less than 1% and falling:
http://gs.statcounter.com/windows-version-market-share/desktop/worldwide/#monthly-201609-201904
However Windoze 7 still has 33% market share. It's been about 5 years
since Microsoft stopped admitting that they wrote XP. I might switch
to Windoze 7 and junp ship when it sinks in 5 years.

Windows 10 is really pretty good. I don't know anyone who has any valid complaints about it. Of course saying that will bring all the creepy crawlies out of the wood work. Still, what do you have against it? It seems pretty tameable to me.

Win 10 performs very poorly on low-end/low-power hardware. By "low-end"
I mean e.g. a Celeron netbook with 4 gigs of RAM and a 5400 rpm
hard-drive. Upgrading a machine like that to a SSD makes 10 usable but
just barely.

To be functional Win 10 really needs relatively beefy hardware which
disregarding cost is also somewhat incompatible with good battery life,
for example.

 

[Rick C]

On Friday, May 17, 2019 at 12:34:27 PM UTC-4, Jeff Liebermann wrote:

On Fri, 17 May 2019 01:17:50 -0400, bitrex <user@example.net> wrote:

just install linux and stop the insanity

I use whatever my customers use.

I didn't know you had customers. I thought you only had sources of irritation.

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[Jeff Liebermann]

On Fri, 17 May 2019 09:40:32 -0700 (PDT), jurb6006@gmail.com wrote:

>I bet your car is ten years old.

2001 Subaru Forester that's 18 years old. I'll be driving around with
two blown head gaskets for another week while waiting for my mechanic
to return from vacation. The work will probably cost me $3,000. I
considered buying a newer used Subaru that was only about 10 years
old, but decided to go cheap and fix the old one instead.

>You don't by chance still have a turntable... (I do)

Yes, I do have and ocassionally use a turntable. Sony PS-X60 with a
home made air floatation arm and laser pickup:
<https://www.google.com/search?q=sony+ps-x60&tbm=isch>

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[bitrex]

On 5/17/19 2:34 PM, bitrex wrote:

Windows 10 is really pretty good.  I don't know anyone who has any
valid complaints about it.  Of course saying that will bring all the
creepy crawlies out of the wood work.  Still, what do you have against
it?  It seems pretty tameable to me.


Win 10 performs very poorly on low-end/low-power hardware. By "low-end"
I mean e.g. a Celeron netbook with 4 gigs of RAM and a 5400 rpm
hard-drive. Upgrading a machine like that to a SSD makes 10 usable but
just barely.

To be functional Win 10 really needs relatively beefy hardware which
disregarding cost is also somewhat incompatible with good battery life,
for example.

That is to say it's a desktop-class OS that's been shoveled into the
mobile world where it doesn't really belong.

 

[Rick C]

On Friday, May 17, 2019 at 2:34:49 PM UTC-4, bitrex wrote:

On 5/17/19 12:19 PM, Rick C wrote:
On Friday, May 17, 2019 at 12:27:05 AM UTC-4, Jeff Liebermann wrote:
On Fri, 17 May 2019 13:37:41 +1000, Clifford Heath
no.spam@please.net> wrote:

On 16/5/19 2:04 pm, bitrex wrote:
https://www.wired.com/story/microsoft-windows-xp-patch-very-bad-sign/?utm_source=facebook&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=wired&utm_brand=wired&utm_social-type=owned&mbid=social_fb&fbclid=IwAR32t0CMFVPvsWeUtE8j-KHTf7JAQir5Z3INDu9inRktnfWOGl-NnleyB6s
Malware exploiting the vulnerability will be hitting the 'net in the
next 48 hours

If you've got an XP machine on the Internet, you already have more
malware than you need.

Both my office and home desktops run XP. One of the laptops I drag
around in my car runs Vista. I have had problems, but not with
malware. Malwarebytes and Avast are sufficient to keep the forces of
evil at a distance. What has gone wrong is that some of the software
that I use quite often, will not run or update on XP. Specifically,
Adobe products, Firefox, TurboTacks, Skype, drivers for the latest
printers and hardware, etc. I have no plans to go down with a sinking
ship, and am slowly and painfully migrating the important programs to
various machines running later Windoze mutations.

XP market share is less than 1% and falling:
http://gs.statcounter.com/windows-version-market-share/desktop/worldwide/#monthly-201609-201904
However Windoze 7 still has 33% market share. It's been about 5 years
since Microsoft stopped admitting that they wrote XP. I might switch
to Windoze 7 and junp ship when it sinks in 5 years.

Windows 10 is really pretty good. I don't know anyone who has any valid complaints about it. Of course saying that will bring all the creepy crawlies out of the wood work. Still, what do you have against it? It seems pretty tameable to me.


Win 10 performs very poorly on low-end/low-power hardware. By "low-end"
I mean e.g. a Celeron netbook with 4 gigs of RAM and a 5400 rpm
hard-drive. Upgrading a machine like that to a SSD makes 10 usable but
just barely.

To be functional Win 10 really needs relatively beefy hardware which
disregarding cost is also somewhat incompatible with good battery life,
for example.

My god, I don't think any version of windows since Vista has performed well in 4 GB. I have a netbook with Win7 and 4 GB and it is the worst dog ever and not just because the processor is slow. The memory gets bound up as soon as you load a browser and with three tabs open it's done.

I would not have any PC with less than 8 GB running any supported version of Windows and for any real use 16 GB. I will replace my lapburning PC only when store models start offering 32 GB. I manage to max out 16 GBs by having multiple browser tabs open. Firefox has to be restarted from time to time to free up RAM.

Even the bargain basement machines today offer 8 GB of RAM.

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[bitrex]

On 5/17/19 3:19 PM, Rick C wrote:

On Friday, May 17, 2019 at 2:34:49 PM UTC-4, bitrex wrote:
On 5/17/19 12:19 PM, Rick C wrote:
On Friday, May 17, 2019 at 12:27:05 AM UTC-4, Jeff Liebermann wrote:
On Fri, 17 May 2019 13:37:41 +1000, Clifford Heath
no.spam@please.net> wrote:

On 16/5/19 2:04 pm, bitrex wrote:
https://www.wired.com/story/microsoft-windows-xp-patch-very-bad-sign/?utm_source=facebook&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=wired&utm_brand=wired&utm_social-type=owned&mbid=social_fb&fbclid=IwAR32t0CMFVPvsWeUtE8j-KHTf7JAQir5Z3INDu9inRktnfWOGl-NnleyB6s
Malware exploiting the vulnerability will be hitting the 'net in the
next 48 hours

If you've got an XP machine on the Internet, you already have more
malware than you need.

Both my office and home desktops run XP. One of the laptops I drag
around in my car runs Vista. I have had problems, but not with
malware. Malwarebytes and Avast are sufficient to keep the forces of
evil at a distance. What has gone wrong is that some of the software
that I use quite often, will not run or update on XP. Specifically,
Adobe products, Firefox, TurboTacks, Skype, drivers for the latest
printers and hardware, etc. I have no plans to go down with a sinking
ship, and am slowly and painfully migrating the important programs to
various machines running later Windoze mutations.

XP market share is less than 1% and falling:
http://gs.statcounter.com/windows-version-market-share/desktop/worldwide/#monthly-201609-201904
However Windoze 7 still has 33% market share. It's been about 5 years
since Microsoft stopped admitting that they wrote XP. I might switch
to Windoze 7 and junp ship when it sinks in 5 years.

Windows 10 is really pretty good. I don't know anyone who has any valid complaints about it. Of course saying that will bring all the creepy crawlies out of the wood work. Still, what do you have against it? It seems pretty tameable to me.


Win 10 performs very poorly on low-end/low-power hardware. By "low-end"
I mean e.g. a Celeron netbook with 4 gigs of RAM and a 5400 rpm
hard-drive. Upgrading a machine like that to a SSD makes 10 usable but
just barely.

To be functional Win 10 really needs relatively beefy hardware which
disregarding cost is also somewhat incompatible with good battery life,
for example.

My god, I don't think any version of windows since Vista has performed well in 4 GB. I have a netbook with Win7 and 4 GB and it is the worst dog ever and not just because the processor is slow. The memory gets bound up as soon as you load a browser and with three tabs open it's done.

I would not have any PC with less than 8 GB running any supported version of Windows and for any real use 16 GB. I will replace my lapburning PC only when store models start offering 32 GB. I manage to max out 16 GBs by having multiple browser tabs open. Firefox has to be restarted from time to time to free up RAM.

Even the bargain basement machines today offer 8 GB of RAM.

Ya, I'm not arguing that it's a new problem. It doesn't HAVE to be that
way. But it is because it's a MS product.

 

[Jeff Liebermann]

On Fri, 17 May 2019 11:07:40 -0700 (PDT), Rick C
<gnuarm.deletethisbit@gmail.com> wrote:

On Friday, May 17, 2019 at 12:34:27 PM UTC-4, Jeff Liebermann wrote:
On Fri, 17 May 2019 01:17:50 -0400, bitrex <user@example.net> wrote:

just install linux and stop the insanity

I use whatever my customers use.

I didn't know you had customers. I thought you only had sources of irritation.

I have friends and I have customers. The difference is the customers
pay me while the friends do not. Both can be equally irritating.

One of the reasons I'm not very diplomatic or friendly is that it is
much easier to convert customers into friends, than convert friends
into paying customers. Best to not give my paying customers the
opportunity or the excuse to try becoming a friend.

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150 Felker St #D http://www.LearnByDestroying.com
Santa Cruz CA 95060 http://802.11junk.com
Skype: JeffLiebermann AE6KS 831-336-2558

 

[Jeff Liebermann]

On Fri, 17 May 2019 09:19:13 -0700 (PDT), Rick C
<gnuarm.deletethisbit@gmail.com> wrote:

>Windows 10 is really pretty good.

If Windoze 10 was any good, I would be out of business.
However, I'm closing the business and retiring shortly, so maybe there
is some good in Windoze 10 buried under all the spyware.

>I don't know anyone who has any valid complaints about it.

True. You don't know me.

Feedback Hub for Win 10:
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Feedback_Hub>
<https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/p/feedback-hub/9nblggh4r32n>
MS Office feedback:
<https://blogs.technet.microsoft.com/o365guy/2018/01/02/submit-product-feedback-or-feature-requests-to-microsofts-virtual-suggestion-boxes/>

The real problem is not the rather large number of annoyances,
un-necessary changes, and stuff that worked now broken type of
problems. It's the lack of response and prioritization from MS.
Obvious serious bugs, that were found quite early in the early adopter
program, didn't get a reaction from MS until they were forcibly dumped
onto the users in one of the biannual mega-rollup updates. This is
typical:
<https://wccftech.com/microsoft-known-windows-10-1809-bugs/>

"100 common Windows 10 problems and how to solve them"
<https://www.techradar.com/how-to/100-common-windows-10-problems>
I believe "1,000 common Windoze 10 problems..." would be more
accurate.

Win 10 Security Vulnerabilities:
<https://www.cvedetails.com/vulnerability-list/vendor_id-26/product_id-32238/Microsoft-Windows-10.html>

Of course saying that will bring all the creepy crawlies out
of the wood work.

Yep.

>Still, what do you have against it?

Not much. Win 10 makes me money. There's nothing better than a
forced rollup update that wipes the network settings on an office full
of machines to support my lavish lifestyle.

>It seems pretty tameable to me.

Taming Win 10 is much like driving a garbage truck to and from work.
Yes, it will get you there and back, but driving one is not much fun.

Yes, it probably can be tamed. However, I'm not interested in
becoming the MS test department and spend my time debugging, testing,
documenting, submitting bug reports, and waiting forever for fixes.
The amount of my time that Windoze 10 wastes is huge, even when things
are working. In my never humble opinion, the cost of ownership
(something MS doesn't like to mention any more) has gone up
drastically with Windoze 10 customer tested software. Somehow, we
seem to forget that the purpose of an operating system is to make
things easy for applications to run. Instead of running applications,
I find myself screwing around with the operating system. I'm not a
masochist and would prefer the operating system do it's job and not
burn my time.


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[Rick C]

On Friday, May 17, 2019 at 5:03:13 PM UTC-4, Jeff Liebermann wrote:

On Fri, 17 May 2019 11:07:40 -0700 (PDT), Rick C
gnuarm.deletethisbit@gmail.com> wrote:

On Friday, May 17, 2019 at 12:34:27 PM UTC-4, Jeff Liebermann wrote:
On Fri, 17 May 2019 01:17:50 -0400, bitrex <user@example.net> wrote:

just install linux and stop the insanity

I use whatever my customers use.

I didn't know you had customers. I thought you only had sources of irritation.

I have friends and I have customers. The difference is the customers
pay me while the friends do not. Both can be equally irritating.

One of the reasons I'm not very diplomatic or friendly is that it is
much easier to convert customers into friends, than convert friends
into paying customers. Best to not give my paying customers the
opportunity or the excuse to try becoming a friend.

I never said you weren't friendly. I think the huge amount of advice you dish out here is a very friendly gesture.

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[Rick C]

On Friday, May 17, 2019 at 7:04:06 PM UTC-4, bitrex wrote:

MS's philosophy is that all code is shit

Is that the company vision statement?

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[bitrex]

On 5/17/19 5:44 PM, Jeff Liebermann wrote:

On Fri, 17 May 2019 09:19:13 -0700 (PDT), Rick C
gnuarm.deletethisbit@gmail.com> wrote:

Windows 10 is really pretty good.

If Windoze 10 was any good, I would be out of business.
However, I'm closing the business and retiring shortly, so maybe there
is some good in Windoze 10 buried under all the spyware.

I don't know anyone who has any valid complaints about it.

True. You don't know me.

Feedback Hub for Win 10:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Feedback_Hub
https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/p/feedback-hub/9nblggh4r32n
MS Office feedback:
https://blogs.technet.microsoft.com/o365guy/2018/01/02/submit-product-feedback-or-feature-requests-to-microsofts-virtual-suggestion-boxes/

The real problem is not the rather large number of annoyances,
un-necessary changes, and stuff that worked now broken type of
problems. It's the lack of response and prioritization from MS.
Obvious serious bugs, that were found quite early in the early adopter
program, didn't get a reaction from MS until they were forcibly dumped
onto the users in one of the biannual mega-rollup updates. This is
typical:
https://wccftech.com/microsoft-known-windows-10-1809-bugs/

MS doesn't prioritize bugs as a matter of policy, there's little to no
reward for engineers to spend their paid time hunting them down. Bug
fixes don't move product. Features, features, features. Sometimes
engineers have to patch them up on their own time, when they can sneak
the work in.

MS's philosophy is that all code is shit

 

[Jeff Liebermann]

On Fri, 17 May 2019 16:15:21 -0700 (PDT), Rick C
<gnuarm.deletethisbit@gmail.com> wrote:

On Friday, May 17, 2019 at 7:04:06 PM UTC-4, bitrex wrote:

MS's philosophy is that all code is shit

Is that the company vision statement?

<https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/about>
Our mission is to empower every person and every organization
on the planet to achieve more.

I read that as, push growth, aim for global domination, emphasize
quantity, and ignore quality, cost, efficiency, and human values.

I received more than my money's worth from XP over the last 19 years.
I doubt if I'll ever come close to a small fraction of that with
Windoze 10.

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[Wolf Bagger]

On 2019-05-17 10:49, Jeff Liebermann wrote:
> The work will probably cost me $3,000.

You could spend a fraction of that on a better computer instead and stop
running XP.

 

Jeff Liebermann <jeffl@cruzio.com> wrote in
news:54qtde5fgj75ckbqiqds57t91ln1d3vfe3@4ax.com:

So it is written, so it must be. In the future, could I trouble you
to corroborate your assertions with a URL reference?

Jeff... I spoke from memory. Perhaps MS changed their position, or
maybe it was only related to 4k displays and you are still using EGA.

It was almost three years ago when that was the reason I got.

It worked on the 4k display but had the early 4k issues some software
had with barely readable menus and text, etc.

 

Jeff Liebermann <jeffl@cruzio.com> wrote in
news:54qtde5fgj75ckbqiqds57t91ln1d3vfe3@4ax.com:

skype only updates on windows 10 machines.

Wrong. I'm on a Win 7 machine right now. Skype was updated
yesterday to 8.45.0.41. Microsloth has discontinued support to
many older products including XP, but Win 7 and 8.1 are still
supported:

Mine would not and that was the reason it gave, but that was almost
three years ago when I got my first 4k display. They said they did not
support 4k displays on anything other than win10.

 

[Jeff Liebermann]

On Fri, 17 May 2019 21:00:37 -0700, Wolf Bagger <wolfbagger@pm.me>
wrote:

On 2019-05-17 10:49, Jeff Liebermann wrote:
The work will probably cost me $3,000.

You could spend a fraction of that on a better computer instead and stop
running XP.

Please re-read what I scribbled. The $3,000 is parts and labor for
replacing the head gaskets and some other repairs on my Subaru
vehicle.

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