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On Thursday, October 20, 2022 at 3:44:33 PM UTC-7, John Larkin wrote:
In other words, he was right.
Like a stopped clock. He had to say something that was true sooner or
later.
He was usually right.
Not supported by any available data.
I assign that to the fact that he had average
common sense, not ruined by being a lifelong politician.
Only a tenable hypothesis to someone who misunderstands the
concept of \'common sense\'. For instance, almost everyone has common
sense (otherwise, it wouldn\'t be common); it\'s not remarkable, it\'s always \'average\'.
On Thu, 20 Oct 2022 19:33:36 -0700 (PDT), whit3rd <whi...@gmail.com
wrote:
On Thursday, October 20, 2022 at 3:44:33 PM UTC-7, John Larkin wrote:
In other words, he was right.
Like a stopped clock. He had to say something that was true sooner or
later.
He was usually right.
Not supported by any available data.
The corporate tax reductions were great.
I assign that to the fact that he had average
common sense, not ruined by being a lifelong politician.
Only a tenable hypothesis to someone who misunderstands the
concept of \'common sense\'. For instance, almost everyone has common
sense (otherwise, it wouldn\'t be common); it\'s not remarkable, it\'s always \'average\'.
As I\'ve suggested, a randomly selected plumber would be a better than average President. Politics corrupts.
^^^^^^^^^My point is he is (and his accolades) trying to take all the credit ,,,
It is not blown outward. It is pulled apart axially, yielding clean
fractures perpendicular to the pipe wall.
What could do this? Well, a sidewise explosion in the center of the
missing 50-meter gap would cause a very large axial force pulling on
the pipe on both sides of the explosion center, causing such a
fracture.
It\'s like pulling sideways on a taut rope between two anchor points.
One can often pull the anchor point out due to the very large
mechanical leverage of that geometry.
We won\'t be able to tell until we find the mangled pipe from the gap.
Joe Gwinn wrote:
It is not blown outward. It is pulled apart axially, yielding clean
fractures perpendicular to the pipe wall.
What could do this? Well, a sidewise explosion in the center of the
missing 50-meter gap would cause a very large axial force pulling on
the pipe on both sides of the explosion center, causing such a
fracture.
It\'s like pulling sideways on a taut rope between two anchor points.
One can often pull the anchor point out due to the very large
mechanical leverage of that geometry.
We won\'t be able to tell until we find the mangled pipe from the gap.
Don\'t forget the about 150 atmospheres of overpressure inside the pipe. The
explosives would only have to structurally weaken the pipe and let the gas do
the rest.
On 21 Oct 2022 12:59:33 GMT, Robert Latest <bobl...@yahoo.com
wrote:
Joe Gwinn wrote:
It is not blown outward. It is pulled apart axially, yielding clean
fractures perpendicular to the pipe wall.
What could do this? Well, a sidewise explosion in the center of the
missing 50-meter gap would cause a very large axial force pulling on
the pipe on both sides of the explosion center, causing such a
fracture.
It\'s like pulling sideways on a taut rope between two anchor points.
One can often pull the anchor point out due to the very large
mechanical leverage of that geometry.
We won\'t be able to tell until we find the mangled pipe from the gap.
Don\'t forget the about 150 atmospheres of overpressure inside the pipe. The
explosives would only have to structurally weaken the pipe and let the gas do
the rest.
Yes, that has to help. But given the usual safety factors on such
things, I\'d hazard that the explosion of a few hundred kilograms of
TNT or the like dominated. Think a million psi.
On 21 Oct 2022 12:59:33 GMT, Robert Latest <boblatest@yahoo.com
wrote:
Joe Gwinn wrote:
It is not blown outward. It is pulled apart axially, yielding clean
fractures perpendicular to the pipe wall.
What could do this? Well, a sidewise explosion in the center of the
missing 50-meter gap would cause a very large axial force pulling on
the pipe on both sides of the explosion center, causing such a
fracture.
It\'s like pulling sideways on a taut rope between two anchor points.
One can often pull the anchor point out due to the very large
mechanical leverage of that geometry.
We won\'t be able to tell until we find the mangled pipe from the gap.
Don\'t forget the about 150 atmospheres of overpressure inside the pipe. The
explosives would only have to structurally weaken the pipe and let the gas do
the rest.
Yes, that has to help. But given the usual safety factors on such
things, I\'d hazard that the explosion of a few hundred kilograms of
TNT or the like dominated. Think a million psi.
Joe Gwinn
On Fri, 21 Oct 2022 11:38:27 -0400, Joe Gwinn <joegwinn@comcast.net
wrote:
On 21 Oct 2022 12:59:33 GMT, Robert Latest <boblatest@yahoo.com
wrote:
Joe Gwinn wrote:
It is not blown outward. It is pulled apart axially, yielding clean
fractures perpendicular to the pipe wall.
What could do this? Well, a sidewise explosion in the center of the
missing 50-meter gap would cause a very large axial force pulling on
the pipe on both sides of the explosion center, causing such a
fracture.
It\'s like pulling sideways on a taut rope between two anchor points.
One can often pull the anchor point out due to the very large
mechanical leverage of that geometry.
We won\'t be able to tell until we find the mangled pipe from the gap.
Don\'t forget the about 150 atmospheres of overpressure inside the pipe. The
explosives would only have to structurally weaken the pipe and let the gas do
the rest.
Yes, that has to help. But given the usual safety factors on such
things, I\'d hazard that the explosion of a few hundred kilograms of
TNT or the like dominated. Think a million psi.
Joe Gwinn
But it\'s Russian.
On Fri, 21 Oct 2022 09:05:35 -0700, John Larkin
jlarkin@highlandSNIPMEtechnology.com> wrote:
On Fri, 21 Oct 2022 11:38:27 -0400, Joe Gwinn <joegwinn@comcast.net
wrote:
On 21 Oct 2022 12:59:33 GMT, Robert Latest <boblatest@yahoo.com
wrote:
Joe Gwinn wrote:
It is not blown outward. It is pulled apart axially, yielding clean
fractures perpendicular to the pipe wall.
What could do this? Well, a sidewise explosion in the center of the
missing 50-meter gap would cause a very large axial force pulling on
the pipe on both sides of the explosion center, causing such a
fracture.
It\'s like pulling sideways on a taut rope between two anchor points.
One can often pull the anchor point out due to the very large
mechanical leverage of that geometry.
We won\'t be able to tell until we find the mangled pipe from the gap.
Don\'t forget the about 150 atmospheres of overpressure inside the pipe. The
explosives would only have to structurally weaken the pipe and let the gas do
the rest.
Yes, that has to help. But given the usual safety factors on such
things, I\'d hazard that the explosion of a few hundred kilograms of
TNT or the like dominated. Think a million psi.
Joe Gwinn
But it\'s Russian.
They always use a bigger warhead, just to be sure.
Joe Gwinn
On Fri, 21 Oct 2022 14:51:17 -0400, Joe Gwinn <joegwinn@comcast.net
wrote:
On Fri, 21 Oct 2022 09:05:35 -0700, John Larkin
jlarkin@highlandSNIPMEtechnology.com> wrote:
On Fri, 21 Oct 2022 11:38:27 -0400, Joe Gwinn <joegwinn@comcast.net
wrote:
On 21 Oct 2022 12:59:33 GMT, Robert Latest <boblatest@yahoo.com
wrote:
Joe Gwinn wrote:
It is not blown outward. It is pulled apart axially, yielding clean
fractures perpendicular to the pipe wall.
What could do this? Well, a sidewise explosion in the center of the
missing 50-meter gap would cause a very large axial force pulling on
the pipe on both sides of the explosion center, causing such a
fracture.
It\'s like pulling sideways on a taut rope between two anchor points.
One can often pull the anchor point out due to the very large
mechanical leverage of that geometry.
We won\'t be able to tell until we find the mangled pipe from the gap.
Don\'t forget the about 150 atmospheres of overpressure inside the pipe. The
explosives would only have to structurally weaken the pipe and let the gas do
the rest.
Yes, that has to help. But given the usual safety factors on such
things, I\'d hazard that the explosion of a few hundred kilograms of
TNT or the like dominated. Think a million psi.
Joe Gwinn
But it\'s Russian.
They always use a bigger warhead, just to be sure.
Joe Gwinn
Or maybe bad steel and concrete and a pressure pulse or something. I
guess it\'s barely possible that one pipe failed and the shock wave
took out another.
On Tue, 18 Oct 2022 13:40:55 -0700 (PDT), Fred Bloggs
bloggs.fredbloggs.fred@gmail.com> wrote:
On Sunday, October 16, 2022 at 10:53:39 AM UTC-4, Ed Lee wrote:
On Sunday, October 16, 2022 at 12:31:00 AM UTC-7, Don Y wrote:
On 10/16/2022 12:01 AM, Ed Lee wrote:
Large sections of NS 1 & 2 need to be replaced. Practically the entire
section from Russia coast to Germany coast will be under-water for months,
by the time they get to it.
But that doesn\'t necessarily mean the pipe, itself, is compromised over
that same distance. One would assume that a pipe intended to be surrounded
by salt water would have some sorts of internal mechanisms that isolate
\"exposed\" sections of pipe in the event of a pressure loss -- simply
because a rupture could render many miles of laid pipe \"unrecoverable\".
If they said \"small section\" need to be replaced, then i would think so. But they said \"large section\" and how large is large? Potentially the entire section under-water is large.
Danish police in a news release today said a 50 meter gap was blown out of the line.
Was it an external explosion? It would take a huge string of
explosives to blow up 50 meters of pipeline.
I suspect Russian incompetence. Overpressure, water hammer, something
dumb.