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On Sun, 16 Oct 2022 07:32:44 GMT, Jan Panteltje
pNaonSt...@yahoo.com> wrote:
On a sunny day (Sun, 16 Oct 2022 00:01:26 -0700 (PDT)) it happened Ed Lee
edward....@gmail.com> wrote in
a3297450-511d-4174...@googlegroups.com>:
Large sections of NS 1 & 2 need to be replaced. Practically the entire section
from Russia coast to Germany coast will be under-water for months, by the
time they get to it. Inside of the pipe-line is probably unprotected steel
and won\'t last long under sea-water. Who would risk and finance NS 3?
https://oilprice.com/Energy/Energy-General/Gazprom-Large-Section-Of-Nord-Stream-Needs-To-Be-Replaced.html
Who should \'pay\' for it you mean?
It is the low life US Military Industrial Complex mafia that wants - and makes wars everywhere
and makes money at all cost by trying to destroy the competition.
Germany started two world wars that killed about 100 million people.
Before that we had Caesers and huns and emperors and kaisers and kings
in basically constant european war. Sadly, Pax Americana only kept
europe mostly peaceful for 75 years.
Quite the opposite that the Great Chinese Leader who is now starting his next term, Mr Xi, is
doing, he is HELPING other countries.
Taiwan. Tibet. Mongolia.
https://www.theweek.co.uk/news/world-news/china/955728/all-countries-china-territory-disputes
You admire this?
On Sunday, October 16, 2022 at 10:53:39 AM UTC-4, Ed Lee wrote:
On Sunday, October 16, 2022 at 12:31:00 AM UTC-7, Don Y wrote:
On 10/16/2022 12:01 AM, Ed Lee wrote:
Large sections of NS 1 & 2 need to be replaced. Practically the entire
section from Russia coast to Germany coast will be under-water for months,
by the time they get to it.
But that doesn\'t necessarily mean the pipe, itself, is compromised over
that same distance. One would assume that a pipe intended to be surrounded
by salt water would have some sorts of internal mechanisms that isolate
\"exposed\" sections of pipe in the event of a pressure loss -- simply
because a rupture could render many miles of laid pipe \"unrecoverable\".
If they said \"small section\" need to be replaced, then i would think so.. But they said \"large section\" and how large is large? Potentially the entire section under-water is large.
Danish police in a news release today said a 50 meter gap was blown out of the line.
On Sunday, October 16, 2022 at 10:53:39 AM UTC-4, Ed Lee wrote:
On Sunday, October 16, 2022 at 12:31:00 AM UTC-7, Don Y wrote:
On 10/16/2022 12:01 AM, Ed Lee wrote:
Large sections of NS 1 & 2 need to be replaced. Practically the entire
section from Russia coast to Germany coast will be under-water for months,
by the time they get to it.
But that doesn\'t necessarily mean the pipe, itself, is compromised over
that same distance. One would assume that a pipe intended to be surrounded
by salt water would have some sorts of internal mechanisms that isolate
\"exposed\" sections of pipe in the event of a pressure loss -- simply
because a rupture could render many miles of laid pipe \"unrecoverable\".
If they said \"small section\" need to be replaced, then i would think so. But they said \"large section\" and how large is large? Potentially the entire section under-water is large.
Danish police in a news release today said a 50 meter gap was blown out of the line.
On Sunday, October 16, 2022 at 11:47:27 AM UTC-4, John Larkin wrote:
On Sun, 16 Oct 2022 07:32:44 GMT, Jan Panteltje
pNaonSt...@yahoo.com> wrote:
On a sunny day (Sun, 16 Oct 2022 00:01:26 -0700 (PDT)) it happened Ed Lee
edward....@gmail.com> wrote in
a3297450-511d-4174...@googlegroups.com>:
Large sections of NS 1 & 2 need to be replaced. Practically the entire section
from Russia coast to Germany coast will be under-water for months, by the
time they get to it. Inside of the pipe-line is probably unprotected steel
and won\'t last long under sea-water. Who would risk and finance NS 3?
https://oilprice.com/Energy/Energy-General/Gazprom-Large-Section-Of-Nord-Stream-Needs-To-Be-Replaced.html
Who should \'pay\' for it you mean?
It is the low life US Military Industrial Complex mafia that wants - and makes wars everywhere
and makes money at all cost by trying to destroy the competition.
Germany started two world wars that killed about 100 million people.
Really? Looks to me like the French and British have started the most wars.
On Tue, 18 Oct 2022 13:45:07 -0700 (PDT), Fred Bloggs <bloggs.fred...@gmail.com> wrote:
On Sunday, October 16, 2022 at 11:47:27 AM UTC-4, John Larkin wrote:
On Sun, 16 Oct 2022 07:32:44 GMT, Jan Panteltje <pNaonSt...@yahoo.com> wrote:
On a sunny day (Sun, 16 Oct 2022 00:01:26 -0700 (PDT)) it happened Ed Lee <edward....@gmail.com> wrote in <a3297450-511d-4174...@googlegroups.com>:
Germany started two world wars that killed about 100 million people.
Really? Looks to me like the French and British have started the most wars.
What I said stands.
The experts expect the Big One to be in southern California.
The fault is just south of here. Check google earth. The Crystal
Springs reservoirs are a chain of subduction lakes. The fault heads
out to sea between the beach and Mussel Rock in Pacifica.
https://www.dropbox.com/s/w1810tfita6t993/20211204_143346.jpg?raw=1
On a sunny day (Tue, 18 Oct 2022 11:25:57 -0700) it happened John Larkin
jlarkin@highland_atwork_technology.com> wrote in
6sqtkh9r8l5pn3lfbh9nrm72imcgq1tg2u@4ax.com>:
The experts expect the Big One to be in southern California.
The fault is just south of here. Check google earth. The Crystal
Springs reservoirs are a chain of subduction lakes. The fault heads
out to sea between the beach and Mussel Rock in Pacifica.
https://www.dropbox.com/s/w1810tfita6t993/20211204_143346.jpg?raw=1
Cool, not sure I want to try it at my age..
But then again, at low altitude perhaps...
There can be a lot of storms here on the coast, beaches,
I was there once in a storm and the sand was like a sandstorm burning your eyes.
Been at Malibu beach and LA.. Santa Monica, was nice.
But Miami Florida was warmer... Got some sunburn.
On Wed, 19 Oct 2022 05:38:43 GMT, Jan Panteltje
pNaonStpealmtje@yahoo.com> wrote:
On a sunny day (Tue, 18 Oct 2022 11:25:57 -0700) it happened John Larkin
jlarkin@highland_atwork_technology.com> wrote in
6sqtkh9r8l5pn3lfbh9nrm72imcgq1tg2u@4ax.com>:
The experts expect the Big One to be in southern California.
The fault is just south of here. Check google earth. The Crystal
Springs reservoirs are a chain of subduction lakes. The fault heads
out to sea between the beach and Mussel Rock in Pacifica.
https://www.dropbox.com/s/w1810tfita6t993/20211204_143346.jpg?raw=1
Cool, not sure I want to try it at my age..
Those parasail things look very dangerous to me. And lots of fun.
There are big groups that meet there on a good day so we have
potential for mid-air collisions.
But then again, at low altitude perhaps...
There can be a lot of storms here on the coast, beaches,
I was there once in a storm and the sand was like a sandstorm burning your eyes.
Been at Malibu beach and LA.. Santa Monica, was nice.
But Miami Florida was warmer... Got some sunburn.
The Gulf Coast dunes in the Florida panhandle are beautiful white
sugar sand. When I was at Tulane, we\'d, on a whim, drive to Destin for
the weekend and rent a cheap motel with a kitchen. There are probably
no cheap motels there now.
The beaches in Louisiana are full of Mississippi river silt, gray and
nasty and often oily. You need to drive past about Pensacola to get
white sand.
What\'s the sand like on the beaches in the Netherlands?
On Tue, 18 Oct 2022 13:40:55 -0700 (PDT), Fred Bloggs
bloggs.fred...@gmail.com> wrote:
On Sunday, October 16, 2022 at 10:53:39 AM UTC-4, Ed Lee wrote:
On Sunday, October 16, 2022 at 12:31:00 AM UTC-7, Don Y wrote:
On 10/16/2022 12:01 AM, Ed Lee wrote:
Large sections of NS 1 & 2 need to be replaced. Practically the entire
section from Russia coast to Germany coast will be under-water for months,
by the time they get to it.
But that doesn\'t necessarily mean the pipe, itself, is compromised over
that same distance. One would assume that a pipe intended to be surrounded
by salt water would have some sorts of internal mechanisms that isolate
\"exposed\" sections of pipe in the event of a pressure loss -- simply
because a rupture could render many miles of laid pipe \"unrecoverable\".
If they said \"small section\" need to be replaced, then i would think so. But they said \"large section\" and how large is large? Potentially the entire section under-water is large.
Danish police in a news release today said a 50 meter gap was blown out of the line.
Was it an external explosion? It would take a huge string of
explosives to blow up 50 meters of pipeline.
I suspect Russian incompetence. Overpressure, water hammer, something
dumb.
On Wednesday, 19 October 2022 at 00:50:18 UTC+1, John Larkin wrote:
On Tue, 18 Oct 2022 13:40:55 -0700 (PDT), Fred Bloggs
bloggs.fred...@gmail.com> wrote:
On Sunday, October 16, 2022 at 10:53:39 AM UTC-4, Ed Lee wrote:
On Sunday, October 16, 2022 at 12:31:00 AM UTC-7, Don Y wrote:
On 10/16/2022 12:01 AM, Ed Lee wrote:
Large sections of NS 1 & 2 need to be replaced. Practically the entire
section from Russia coast to Germany coast will be under-water for months,
by the time they get to it.
But that doesn\'t necessarily mean the pipe, itself, is compromised over
that same distance. One would assume that a pipe intended to be surrounded
by salt water would have some sorts of internal mechanisms that isolate
\"exposed\" sections of pipe in the event of a pressure loss -- simply
because a rupture could render many miles of laid pipe \"unrecoverable\".
If they said \"small section\" need to be replaced, then i would think so. But they said \"large section\" and how large is large? Potentially the entire section under-water is large.
Danish police in a news release today said a 50 meter gap was blown out of the line.
Was it an external explosion? It would take a huge string of
explosives to blow up 50 meters of pipeline.
I suspect Russian incompetence. Overpressure, water hammer, something
dumb.
The underwater video of the fracture surface seems to show the steel being
bent outwards as if there had been a massive localised internal overpressure.
It also seems to show a thick red protective coating on the inside of the pipe,
so perhaps seawater will not be such a problem as some think.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-63297085
John
On Wed, 19 Oct 2022 10:40:38 -0700 (PDT), John Walliker
The underwater video of the fracture surface seems to show the steel being
bent outwards as if there had been a massive localised internal overpressure.
It also seems to show a thick red protective coating on the inside of the pipe,
so perhaps seawater will not be such a problem as some think.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-63297085
There are \"pigs\", barrel-like things that are run through pipelines.
Some clean the insides, some measure wall thickness, some take
pictures. Maybe some explode.
But then again, at low altitude perhaps...
On Monday, October 17, 2022 at 2:47:27 AM UTC+11, John Larkin wrote:
On Sun, 16 Oct 2022 07:32:44 GMT, Jan Panteltje
pNaonSt...@yahoo.com> wrote:
On a sunny day (Sun, 16 Oct 2022 00:01:26 -0700 (PDT)) it happened Ed Lee
edward....@gmail.com> wrote in
a3297450-511d-4174...@googlegroups.com>:
Large sections of NS 1 & 2 need to be replaced. Practically the entire section
from Russia coast to Germany coast will be under-water for months, by the
time they get to it. Inside of the pipe-line is probably unprotected steel
and won\'t last long under sea-water. Who would risk and finance NS 3?
https://oilprice.com/Energy/Energy-General/Gazprom-Large-Section-Of-Nord-Stream-Needs-To-Be-Replaced.html
Who should \'pay\' for it you mean?
It is the low life US Military Industrial Complex mafia that wants - and makes wars everywhere
and makes money at all cost by trying to destroy the competition.
Germany started two world wars that killed about 100 million people.
Germany didn\'t \"start\" the first world war. It stated when Austria-Hungary declared war on Serbia.
Large sections of NS 1 & 2 need to be replaced. Practically the entire section from Russia coast to Germany coast will be under-water for months, by the time they get to it. Inside of the pipe-line is probably unprotected steel and won\'t last long under sea-water. Who would risk and finance NS 3?
https://oilprice.com/Energy/Energy-General/Gazprom-Large-Section-Of-Nord-Stream-Needs-To-Be-Replaced.html
On 16-Oct-22 6:01 pm, Ed Lee wrote:
Large sections of NS 1 & 2 need to be replaced. Practically the
entire section from Russia coast to Germany coast will be
under-water for months, by the time they get to it. Inside of
the pipe-line is probably unprotected steel and won\'t last long
under sea-water. Who would risk and finance NS 3?
https://oilprice.com/Energy/Energy-General/Gazprom-Large-Section-O
f-Nord-Stream-Needs-To-Be-Replaced.html
Not much point in reinstating it. I doubt Europe is foolish enough
to starting relying on Russian gas again until and unless Russia
not only gets rid of Putin, but also reinstates a proper democracy
with a constitution strong enough to prevent another dictator
getting into power. That\'s probably a long way off.
Sylvia.
On Wednesday, 19 October 2022 at 00:50:18 UTC+1, John Larkin wrote:
On Tue, 18 Oct 2022 13:40:55 -0700 (PDT), Fred Bloggs
bloggs.fred...@gmail.com> wrote:
On Sunday, October 16, 2022 at 10:53:39 AM UTC-4, Ed Lee wrote:
On Sunday, October 16, 2022 at 12:31:00 AM UTC-7, Don Y wrote:
On 10/16/2022 12:01 AM, Ed Lee wrote:
Large sections of NS 1 & 2 need to be replaced. Practically the entire
section from Russia coast to Germany coast will be under-water for months,
by the time they get to it.
But that doesn\'t necessarily mean the pipe, itself, is compromised over
that same distance. One would assume that a pipe intended to be surrounded
by salt water would have some sorts of internal mechanisms that isolate
\"exposed\" sections of pipe in the event of a pressure loss -- simply
because a rupture could render many miles of laid pipe \"unrecoverable\".
If they said \"small section\" need to be replaced, then i would think so. But they said \"large section\" and how large is large? Potentially the entire section under-water is large.
Danish police in a news release today said a 50 meter gap was blown out of the line.
Was it an external explosion? It would take a huge string of
explosives to blow up 50 meters of pipeline.
I suspect Russian incompetence. Overpressure, water hammer, something
dumb.
The underwater video of the fracture surface seems to show the steel being
bent outwards as if there had been a massive localised internal overpressure.
It also seems to show a thick red protective coating on the inside of the pipe,
so perhaps seawater will not be such a problem as some think.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-63297085
On Wed, 19 Oct 2022 10:40:38 -0700 (PDT), John Walliker
jrwal...@gmail.com> wrote:
On Wednesday, 19 October 2022 at 00:50:18 UTC+1, John Larkin wrote:
On Tue, 18 Oct 2022 13:40:55 -0700 (PDT), Fred Bloggs
bloggs.fred...@gmail.com> wrote:
On Sunday, October 16, 2022 at 10:53:39 AM UTC-4, Ed Lee wrote:
On Sunday, October 16, 2022 at 12:31:00 AM UTC-7, Don Y wrote:
On 10/16/2022 12:01 AM, Ed Lee wrote:
Large sections of NS 1 & 2 need to be replaced. Practically the entire
section from Russia coast to Germany coast will be under-water for months,
by the time they get to it.
But that doesn\'t necessarily mean the pipe, itself, is compromised over
that same distance. One would assume that a pipe intended to be surrounded
by salt water would have some sorts of internal mechanisms that isolate
\"exposed\" sections of pipe in the event of a pressure loss -- simply
because a rupture could render many miles of laid pipe \"unrecoverable\".
If they said \"small section\" need to be replaced, then i would think so. But they said \"large section\" and how large is large? Potentially the entire section under-water is large.
Danish police in a news release today said a 50 meter gap was blown out of the line.
Was it an external explosion? It would take a huge string of
explosives to blow up 50 meters of pipeline.
I suspect Russian incompetence. Overpressure, water hammer, something
dumb.
The underwater video of the fracture surface seems to show the steel being
bent outwards as if there had been a massive localised internal overpressure.
It also seems to show a thick red protective coating on the inside of the pipe,
so perhaps seawater will not be such a problem as some think.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-63297085
It is not blown outward. It is pulled apart axially, yielding clean
fractures perpendicular to the pipe wall.
What could do this?
On Thu, 20 Oct 2022 15:26:42 -0700, John Robertson <jrr@flippers.com
wrote:
On 2022/10/20 2:19 p.m., John Larkin wrote:
On Thu, 20 Oct 2022 14:12:14 -0700, John Robertson <jrr@flippers.com
wrote:
In other words, he was right.
Like a stopped clock. He had to say something that was true sooner or
later.
He was usually right. I assign that to the fact that he had average
common sense, not ruined by being a lifelong politician.
Am 21.10.22 um 00:44 schrieb John Larkin:
On Thu, 20 Oct 2022 15:26:42 -0700, John Robertson <jrr@flippers.com
wrote:
On 2022/10/20 2:19 p.m., John Larkin wrote:
On Thu, 20 Oct 2022 14:12:14 -0700, John Robertson <jrr@flippers.com
wrote:
In other words, he was right.
Like a stopped clock. He had to say something that was true sooner or
later.
He was usually right. I assign that to the fact that he had average
common sense, not ruined by being a lifelong politician.
More like a scripted reality bozo on TV.
And he\'s fired!
Gerhard
On Fri, 21 Oct 2022 01:13:59 +0200, Gerhard Hoffmann <dk...@arcor.de
wrote:
Am 21.10.22 um 00:44 schrieb John Larkin:
On Thu, 20 Oct 2022 15:26:42 -0700, John Robertson <j...@flippers.com
wrote:
On 2022/10/20 2:19 p.m., John Larkin wrote:
On Thu, 20 Oct 2022 14:12:14 -0700, John Robertson <j...@flippers.com
wrote:
In other words, he was right.
Like a stopped clock. He had to say something that was true sooner or
later.
He was usually right. I assign that to the fact that he had average
common sense, not ruined by being a lifelong politician.
More like a scripted reality bozo on TV.
And he\'s fired!
Gerhard
People keep complaining that they don\'t like him. Fine, I don\'t want
him over for dinner.
Which doctor would you select to operate on your heart; a clumsy
cheerful doofus or a really skilled nasty person?
Politics shouldn\'t be a popularity/charisma/beauty contest. It\'s too
important.