Tv reception

On Sat, 11 Feb 2017 07:58:24 +1100, "Rod Speed"
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On Thu, 9 Feb 2017 21:51:41 -0000, "Benderthe.evilrobot"
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Your twisting what I said doesn't make it any less real.

Would like to know how old "F Murtz" aerial is?
Is it a old Analogue or new digital?

The conversation in question had nothing whatever to do with any aerial.

That's very arguable. If the aerial is doing a decent job,
the sort of crap that the worst of the led lights put out
should be enough to stop the TV reception with digital.
Click to expand...

A new dedicated digital aerial put in by a proffesional fixed the same
bull I was going through.
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On Fri, 10 Feb 2017 22:42:54 +1100, F Murtz <haggisz@hotmail.com>
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F Murtz wrote:
Benderthe.evilrobot wrote:

"F Murtz" <haggisz@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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For months I have been having problems with tv reception TV not
working on most channels for hours, I have been blaming 4g towers,
fixed wireless towers etc that have just been put up etc.
I have just found the cause by accident, almost unbelievable.
TV does not work if the kitchen light is on.
The culprit is one of these, a 12" or so multiple led ceiling LED
similar to this,
http://imgur.com/a/dj5ha


With a metal cased unit you can get away with a ferrite collar on the
supply lead.

If you have to go inside - you can get split ferrite clamp on collars
that can be fitted without lifting any wires, the smaller sizes you're
likely to want are harder to find.

When the temp in the roof gets below the high fourties I might shift
the
coax that must be passing near,and or try ferrite.

Just looked in roof, coax goes nowhere near light so ferrite at
fitting next, who knows where next if that does not work.

Get a better LED light and get it from somewhere like Bunnings or Kmart
or Amazon so you can return it if its just as bad as the one you
already have.

Or Aldi.




appear to have fixed it, clip on ferrite mains side of electronic
transformer and one turn in a donut on the 12 volt side.

It is a recessed flat 200 mm dia 25 watt led.(fairly bright)

Tv now works, it was a combination of signal and interference because on
rare occasions the signal was strong enough to overcome the interference
for a short time
Click to expand...
Could be coincidence and just now getting good reception.
--
Petzl
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In the end, you ignore everthing and click "I agree"
 
Petzl wrote:


Good luck
So your aerial is analogue?
Click to expand...

** TV antennas have no idea if the signal is analogue or "digital".

So called "digital" antennas are made to suit the new frequency arrangements that have come along with the change to DTV.

So, antennas for capital city areas cover VHF chs 6 through 12 and the lower part of the UHF band. This makes them much smaller than previous antennas that covered the low VHF chs as well but likely missed chs 11 and 12. The better examples have more elements and higher gain than basic VHF/UHF models of the past.

Rural areas are all UHF, have been for ages so there is no real change.



..... Phil
 
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On Sat, 11 Feb 2017 12:58:07 +1100, F Murtz <haggisz@hotmail.com
wrote:

Petzl wrote:
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F Murtz wrote:
Benderthe.evilrobot wrote:

"F Murtz" <haggisz@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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For months I have been having problems with tv reception TV not
working on most channels for hours, I have been blaming 4g
towers,
fixed wireless towers etc that have just been put up etc.
I have just found the cause by accident, almost unbelievable.
TV does not work if the kitchen light is on.
The culprit is one of these, a 12" or so multiple led ceiling
LED
similar to this,
http://imgur.com/a/dj5ha


With a metal cased unit you can get away with a ferrite collar on
the
supply lead.

If you have to go inside - you can get split ferrite clamp on
collars
that can be fitted without lifting any wires, the smaller sizes
you're
likely to want are harder to find.

When the temp in the roof gets below the high fourties I might
shift
the
coax that must be passing near,and or try ferrite.

Just looked in roof, coax goes nowhere near light so ferrite at
fitting next, who knows where next if that does not work.

Get a better LED light and get it from somewhere like Bunnings or
Kmart
or Amazon so you can return it if its just as bad as the one you
already have.

Or Aldi.




appear to have fixed it, clip on ferrite mains side of electronic
transformer and one turn in a donut on the 12 volt side.

It is a recessed flat 200 mm dia 25 watt led.(fairly bright)

Tv now works, it was a combination of signal and interference because
on
rare occasions the signal was strong enough to overcome the
interference
for a short time

Could be coincidence and just now getting good reception.

Absolutely no chance, without the ferite lights on, tv picture off
lights off, tv picture on except extremely rare occasion very conclusive
over many many months even though I only recently discovered reason,
since ferrite absolutely no hickups

Good luck
So your aerial is analogue?

There is no such thing as a digital aerial for TV in this country.
Click to expand...

OK Digital Antennas
But the local Antenna installers advertise "digital aerial"
instalation.
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On Sat, 11 Feb 2017 16:45:08 +1100, F Murtz <haggisz@hotmail.com>
wrote:

Petzl wrote:
On Sat, 11 Feb 2017 12:58:07 +1100, F Murtz <haggisz@hotmail.com
wrote:

Petzl wrote:
On Fri, 10 Feb 2017 22:42:54 +1100, F Murtz <haggisz@hotmail.com
wrote:

Rod Speed wrote:


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F Murtz wrote:
Benderthe.evilrobot wrote:

"F Murtz" <haggisz@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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For months I have been having problems with tv reception TV not
working on most channels for hours, I have been blaming 4g towers,
fixed wireless towers etc that have just been put up etc.
I have just found the cause by accident, almost unbelievable.
TV does not work if the kitchen light is on.
The culprit is one of these, a 12" or so multiple led ceiling LED
similar to this,
http://imgur.com/a/dj5ha


With a metal cased unit you can get away with a ferrite collar on the
supply lead.

If you have to go inside - you can get split ferrite clamp on collars
that can be fitted without lifting any wires, the smaller sizes you're
likely to want are harder to find.

When the temp in the roof gets below the high fourties I might shift
the
coax that must be passing near,and or try ferrite.

Just looked in roof, coax goes nowhere near light so ferrite at
fitting next, who knows where next if that does not work.

Get a better LED light and get it from somewhere like Bunnings or Kmart
or Amazon so you can return it if its just as bad as the one you
already have.

Or Aldi.




appear to have fixed it, clip on ferrite mains side of electronic
transformer and one turn in a donut on the 12 volt side.

It is a recessed flat 200 mm dia 25 watt led.(fairly bright)

Tv now works, it was a combination of signal and interference because on
rare occasions the signal was strong enough to overcome the interference
for a short time

Could be coincidence and just now getting good reception.

Absolutely no chance, without the ferite lights on, tv picture off
lights off, tv picture on except extremely rare occasion very conclusive
over many many months even though I only recently discovered reason,
since ferrite absolutely no hickups

Good luck
So your aerial is analogue?

the aerial system is probably probably both as it was existing with
both systems but is working perfectly now.
Click to expand...

That means it's "dated" old like mine was.
Got periods when reception was good

Now my TV show for 99 is
9 bars out of 10

Before old only ever got 3 to 4 bars
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On Sat, 11 Feb 2017 12:58:07 +1100, F Murtz <haggisz@hotmail.com
wrote:

Petzl wrote:
On Fri, 10 Feb 2017 22:42:54 +1100, F Murtz <haggisz@hotmail.com
wrote:

Rod Speed wrote:


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F Murtz wrote:
Benderthe.evilrobot wrote:

"F Murtz" <haggisz@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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For months I have been having problems with tv reception TV not
working on most channels for hours, I have been blaming 4g
towers,
fixed wireless towers etc that have just been put up etc.
I have just found the cause by accident, almost unbelievable.
TV does not work if the kitchen light is on.
The culprit is one of these, a 12" or so multiple led ceiling
LED
similar to this,
http://imgur.com/a/dj5ha


With a metal cased unit you can get away with a ferrite collar on
the
supply lead.

If you have to go inside - you can get split ferrite clamp on
collars
that can be fitted without lifting any wires, the smaller sizes
you're
likely to want are harder to find.

When the temp in the roof gets below the high fourties I might
shift
the
coax that must be passing near,and or try ferrite.

Just looked in roof, coax goes nowhere near light so ferrite at
fitting next, who knows where next if that does not work.

Get a better LED light and get it from somewhere like Bunnings or
Kmart
or Amazon so you can return it if its just as bad as the one you
already have.

Or Aldi.




appear to have fixed it, clip on ferrite mains side of electronic
transformer and one turn in a donut on the 12 volt side.

It is a recessed flat 200 mm dia 25 watt led.(fairly bright)

Tv now works, it was a combination of signal and interference because
on
rare occasions the signal was strong enough to overcome the
interference
for a short time

Could be coincidence and just now getting good reception.

Absolutely no chance, without the ferite lights on, tv picture off
lights off, tv picture on except extremely rare occasion very conclusive
over many many months even though I only recently discovered reason,
since ferrite absolutely no hickups

Good luck
So your aerial is analogue?
Click to expand...

There is no such thing as a digital aerial for TV in this country.
 
Petzl wrote:
There is no such thing as a digital aerial for TV in this country.

OK Digital Antennas
But the local Antenna installers advertise "digital aerial"
instalation.
Click to expand...

** Of course they do - they know very well what side their bread is buttered on.

The word "digital" equates to magic in the minds of many consumers.


..... Phil
 
Petzl wrote:
On Sat, 11 Feb 2017 12:58:07 +1100, F Murtz <haggisz@hotmail.com
wrote:

Petzl wrote:
On Fri, 10 Feb 2017 22:42:54 +1100, F Murtz <haggisz@hotmail.com
wrote:

Rod Speed wrote:


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F Murtz wrote:
Benderthe.evilrobot wrote:

"F Murtz" <haggisz@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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For months I have been having problems with tv reception TV not
working on most channels for hours, I have been blaming 4g towers,
fixed wireless towers etc that have just been put up etc.
I have just found the cause by accident, almost unbelievable.
TV does not work if the kitchen light is on.
The culprit is one of these, a 12" or so multiple led ceiling LED
similar to this,
http://imgur.com/a/dj5ha


With a metal cased unit you can get away with a ferrite collar on the
supply lead.

If you have to go inside - you can get split ferrite clamp on collars
that can be fitted without lifting any wires, the smaller sizes you're
likely to want are harder to find.

When the temp in the roof gets below the high fourties I might shift
the
coax that must be passing near,and or try ferrite.

Just looked in roof, coax goes nowhere near light so ferrite at
fitting next, who knows where next if that does not work.

Get a better LED light and get it from somewhere like Bunnings or Kmart
or Amazon so you can return it if its just as bad as the one you
already have.

Or Aldi.




appear to have fixed it, clip on ferrite mains side of electronic
transformer and one turn in a donut on the 12 volt side.

It is a recessed flat 200 mm dia 25 watt led.(fairly bright)

Tv now works, it was a combination of signal and interference because on
rare occasions the signal was strong enough to overcome the interference
for a short time

Could be coincidence and just now getting good reception.

Absolutely no chance, without the ferite lights on, tv picture off
lights off, tv picture on except extremely rare occasion very conclusive
over many many months even though I only recently discovered reason,
since ferrite absolutely no hickups

Good luck
So your aerial is analogue?
Click to expand...
the aerial system is probably probably both as it was existing with
both systems but is working perfectly now.
 
Petzl wrote:
On Fri, 10 Feb 2017 22:42:54 +1100, F Murtz <haggisz@hotmail.com
wrote:

Rod Speed wrote:


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F Murtz wrote:
Benderthe.evilrobot wrote:

"F Murtz" <haggisz@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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For months I have been having problems with tv reception TV not
working on most channels for hours, I have been blaming 4g towers,
fixed wireless towers etc that have just been put up etc.
I have just found the cause by accident, almost unbelievable.
TV does not work if the kitchen light is on.
The culprit is one of these, a 12" or so multiple led ceiling LED
similar to this,
http://imgur.com/a/dj5ha


With a metal cased unit you can get away with a ferrite collar on the
supply lead.

If you have to go inside - you can get split ferrite clamp on collars
that can be fitted without lifting any wires, the smaller sizes you're
likely to want are harder to find.

When the temp in the roof gets below the high fourties I might shift
the
coax that must be passing near,and or try ferrite.

Just looked in roof, coax goes nowhere near light so ferrite at
fitting next, who knows where next if that does not work.

Get a better LED light and get it from somewhere like Bunnings or Kmart
or Amazon so you can return it if its just as bad as the one you
already have.

Or Aldi.




appear to have fixed it, clip on ferrite mains side of electronic
transformer and one turn in a donut on the 12 volt side.

It is a recessed flat 200 mm dia 25 watt led.(fairly bright)

Tv now works, it was a combination of signal and interference because on
rare occasions the signal was strong enough to overcome the interference
for a short time

Could be coincidence and just now getting good reception.
Click to expand...
Absolutely no chance, without the ferite lights on, tv picture off
lights off, tv picture on except extremely rare occasion very conclusive
over many many months even though I only recently discovered reason,
since ferrite absolutely no hickups
 
On Sat, 11 Feb 2017 12:58:07 +1100, F Murtz <haggisz@hotmail.com>
wrote:

Petzl wrote:
On Fri, 10 Feb 2017 22:42:54 +1100, F Murtz <haggisz@hotmail.com
wrote:

Rod Speed wrote:


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F Murtz wrote:
Benderthe.evilrobot wrote:

"F Murtz" <haggisz@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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For months I have been having problems with tv reception TV not
working on most channels for hours, I have been blaming 4g towers,
fixed wireless towers etc that have just been put up etc.
I have just found the cause by accident, almost unbelievable.
TV does not work if the kitchen light is on.
The culprit is one of these, a 12" or so multiple led ceiling LED
similar to this,
http://imgur.com/a/dj5ha


With a metal cased unit you can get away with a ferrite collar on the
supply lead.

If you have to go inside - you can get split ferrite clamp on collars
that can be fitted without lifting any wires, the smaller sizes you're
likely to want are harder to find.

When the temp in the roof gets below the high fourties I might shift
the
coax that must be passing near,and or try ferrite.

Just looked in roof, coax goes nowhere near light so ferrite at
fitting next, who knows where next if that does not work.

Get a better LED light and get it from somewhere like Bunnings or Kmart
or Amazon so you can return it if its just as bad as the one you
already have.

Or Aldi.




appear to have fixed it, clip on ferrite mains side of electronic
transformer and one turn in a donut on the 12 volt side.

It is a recessed flat 200 mm dia 25 watt led.(fairly bright)

Tv now works, it was a combination of signal and interference because on
rare occasions the signal was strong enough to overcome the interference
for a short time

Could be coincidence and just now getting good reception.

Absolutely no chance, without the ferite lights on, tv picture off
lights off, tv picture on except extremely rare occasion very conclusive
over many many months even though I only recently discovered reason,
since ferrite absolutely no hickups
Click to expand...

Good luck
So your aerial is analogue?
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On Thu, 9 Feb 2017 21:51:41 -0000, "Benderthe.evilrobot"
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Your twisting what I said doesn't make it any less real.

Would like to know how old "F Murtz" aerial is?
Is it a old Analogue or new digital?

The conversation in question had nothing whatever to do with any aerial.

That's very arguable. If the aerial is doing a decent job,
the sort of crap that the worst of the led lights put out
should be enough to stop the TV reception with digital.

We already knew you'd lost the plot.
Click to expand...

You never could bullshit your way out of a wet paper bag.

> We were discussing the current waveform of a wattless dropper capacitor.

You are wrong, as always.
 
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wrote:

Petzl wrote:
On Fri, 10 Feb 2017 22:42:54 +1100, F Murtz <haggisz@hotmail.com
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Rod Speed wrote:


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F Murtz wrote:
Benderthe.evilrobot wrote:

"F Murtz" <haggisz@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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For months I have been having problems with tv reception TV not
working on most channels for hours, I have been blaming 4g
towers,
fixed wireless towers etc that have just been put up etc.
I have just found the cause by accident, almost unbelievable.
TV does not work if the kitchen light is on.
The culprit is one of these, a 12" or so multiple led ceiling
LED
similar to this,
http://imgur.com/a/dj5ha


With a metal cased unit you can get away with a ferrite collar
on
the
supply lead.

If you have to go inside - you can get split ferrite clamp on
collars
that can be fitted without lifting any wires, the smaller sizes
you're
likely to want are harder to find.

When the temp in the roof gets below the high fourties I might
shift
the
coax that must be passing near,and or try ferrite.

Just looked in roof, coax goes nowhere near light so ferrite at
fitting next, who knows where next if that does not work.

Get a better LED light and get it from somewhere like Bunnings or
Kmart
or Amazon so you can return it if its just as bad as the one you
already have.

Or Aldi.




appear to have fixed it, clip on ferrite mains side of electronic
transformer and one turn in a donut on the 12 volt side.

It is a recessed flat 200 mm dia 25 watt led.(fairly bright)

Tv now works, it was a combination of signal and interference because
on
rare occasions the signal was strong enough to overcome the
interference
for a short time

Could be coincidence and just now getting good reception.

Absolutely no chance, without the ferite lights on, tv picture off
lights off, tv picture on except extremely rare occasion very conclusive
over many many months even though I only recently discovered reason,
since ferrite absolutely no hickups

Good luck
So your aerial is analogue?

There is no such thing as a digital aerial for TV in this country.

OK Digital Antennas
Click to expand...

There is no such thing as a digital antenna for TV in this country.

> But the local Antenna installers advertise "digital aerial" instalation.

Just more sales bullshit. Yes it's a better antenna than your previous one,
but there is nothing digital about it, its just as analog as the old one.
 
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On Thu, 9 Feb 2017 21:51:41 -0000, "Benderthe.evilrobot"
Benderthe.evilrobot@virginmedia.com> wrote:

Your twisting what I said doesn't make it any less real.

Would like to know how old "F Murtz" aerial is?
Is it a old Analogue or new digital?

The conversation in question had nothing whatever to do with any
aerial.

That's very arguable. If the aerial is doing a decent job,
the sort of crap that the worst of the led lights put out
should be enough to stop the TV reception with digital.

We already knew you'd lost the plot.

You never could bullshit your way out of a wet paper bag.

We were discussing the current waveform of a wattless dropper capacitor.

You are wrong, as always.
Click to expand...

Everyone except you obviously....................
 
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On Thu, 9 Feb 2017 21:51:41 -0000, "Benderthe.evilrobot"
Benderthe.evilrobot@virginmedia.com> wrote:

Your twisting what I said doesn't make it any less real.

Would like to know how old "F Murtz" aerial is?
Is it a old Analogue or new digital?

The conversation in question had nothing whatever to do with any aerial.

All to do with TV reception.
The conversation seemed more to be turning towards how to start fires.
Click to expand...

That can happen...................if you're a fuckwit.
 
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On Thu, 9 Feb 2017 21:51:41 -0000, "Benderthe.evilrobot"
Benderthe.evilrobot@virginmedia.com> wrote:

Your twisting what I said doesn't make it any less real.

Would like to know how old "F Murtz" aerial is?
Is it a old Analogue or new digital?

The conversation in question had nothing whatever to do with any
aerial.

That's very arguable. If the aerial is doing a decent job,
the sort of crap that the worst of the led lights put out
should be enough to stop the TV reception with digital.

We already knew you'd lost the plot.

You never could bullshit your way out of a wet paper bag.

We were discussing the current waveform of a wattless dropper capacitor.

You are wrong, as always.

Everyone except you obviously....................
Click to expand...

Everyone can see for themselves that no one who mattered was
discussing the current waveform of a wattless dropper capacitor.
 
On Sun, 12 Feb 2017 03:26:22 +1100, "Rod Speed"
<rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:

"Petzl" <petzlx@gmail.com> wrote in message
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On Sat, 11 Feb 2017 17:22:54 +1100, "Rod Speed"
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"Petzl" <petzlx@gmail.com> wrote in message
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On Sat, 11 Feb 2017 12:58:07 +1100, F Murtz <haggisz@hotmail.com
wrote:

Petzl wrote:
On Fri, 10 Feb 2017 22:42:54 +1100, F Murtz <haggisz@hotmail.com
wrote:

Rod Speed wrote:


"Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote in message
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"F Murtz" <haggisz@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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F Murtz wrote:
Benderthe.evilrobot wrote:

"F Murtz" <haggisz@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:5895cdf7$0$4415$b1db1813$145976f0@news.astraweb.com...
For months I have been having problems with tv reception TV not
working on most channels for hours, I have been blaming 4g
towers,
fixed wireless towers etc that have just been put up etc.
I have just found the cause by accident, almost unbelievable.
TV does not work if the kitchen light is on.
The culprit is one of these, a 12" or so multiple led ceiling
LED
similar to this,
http://imgur.com/a/dj5ha


With a metal cased unit you can get away with a ferrite collar
on
the
supply lead.

If you have to go inside - you can get split ferrite clamp on
collars
that can be fitted without lifting any wires, the smaller sizes
you're
likely to want are harder to find.

When the temp in the roof gets below the high fourties I might
shift
the
coax that must be passing near,and or try ferrite.

Just looked in roof, coax goes nowhere near light so ferrite at
fitting next, who knows where next if that does not work.

Get a better LED light and get it from somewhere like Bunnings or
Kmart
or Amazon so you can return it if its just as bad as the one you
already have.

Or Aldi.




appear to have fixed it, clip on ferrite mains side of electronic
transformer and one turn in a donut on the 12 volt side.

It is a recessed flat 200 mm dia 25 watt led.(fairly bright)

Tv now works, it was a combination of signal and interference because
on
rare occasions the signal was strong enough to overcome the
interference
for a short time

Could be coincidence and just now getting good reception.

Absolutely no chance, without the ferite lights on, tv picture off
lights off, tv picture on except extremely rare occasion very conclusive
over many many months even though I only recently discovered reason,
since ferrite absolutely no hickups

Good luck
So your aerial is analogue?

There is no such thing as a digital aerial for TV in this country.

OK Digital Antennas

There is no such thing as a digital antenna for TV in this country.

But the local Antenna installers advertise "digital aerial" instalation.

Just more sales bullshit. Yes it's a better antenna than your previous one,
but there is nothing digital about it, its just as analog as the old one.
Click to expand...

OK a recieving Digital Antennas!
F Murtz should able to see what signal he gets on his TV mines 9 out
of 10. the old was 3-4 out of 10
--
Petzl
Arguing with a woman is like reading the Software License Agreement.
In the end, you ignore everthing and click "I agree"
 
Petzl wrote:
On Sun, 12 Feb 2017 03:26:22 +1100, "Rod Speed"
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"Petzl" <petzlx@gmail.com> wrote in message
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On Sat, 11 Feb 2017 17:22:54 +1100, "Rod Speed"
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"Petzl" <petzlx@gmail.com> wrote in message
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On Sat, 11 Feb 2017 12:58:07 +1100, F Murtz <haggisz@hotmail.com
wrote:

Petzl wrote:
On Fri, 10 Feb 2017 22:42:54 +1100, F Murtz <haggisz@hotmail.com
wrote:

Rod Speed wrote:


"Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote in message
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"F Murtz" <haggisz@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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F Murtz wrote:
Benderthe.evilrobot wrote:

"F Murtz" <haggisz@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:5895cdf7$0$4415$b1db1813$145976f0@news.astraweb.com...
For months I have been having problems with tv reception TV not
working on most channels for hours, I have been blaming 4g
towers,
fixed wireless towers etc that have just been put up etc.
I have just found the cause by accident, almost unbelievable.
TV does not work if the kitchen light is on.
The culprit is one of these, a 12" or so multiple led ceiling
LED
similar to this,
http://imgur.com/a/dj5ha


With a metal cased unit you can get away with a ferrite collar
on
the
supply lead.

If you have to go inside - you can get split ferrite clamp on
collars
that can be fitted without lifting any wires, the smaller sizes
you're
likely to want are harder to find.

When the temp in the roof gets below the high fourties I might
shift
the
coax that must be passing near,and or try ferrite.

Just looked in roof, coax goes nowhere near light so ferrite at
fitting next, who knows where next if that does not work.

Get a better LED light and get it from somewhere like Bunnings or
Kmart
or Amazon so you can return it if its just as bad as the one you
already have.

Or Aldi.




appear to have fixed it, clip on ferrite mains side of electronic
transformer and one turn in a donut on the 12 volt side.

It is a recessed flat 200 mm dia 25 watt led.(fairly bright)

Tv now works, it was a combination of signal and interference because
on
rare occasions the signal was strong enough to overcome the
interference
for a short time

Could be coincidence and just now getting good reception.

Absolutely no chance, without the ferite lights on, tv picture off
lights off, tv picture on except extremely rare occasion very conclusive
over many many months even though I only recently discovered reason,
since ferrite absolutely no hickups

Good luck
So your aerial is analogue?

There is no such thing as a digital aerial for TV in this country.

OK Digital Antennas

There is no such thing as a digital antenna for TV in this country.

But the local Antenna installers advertise "digital aerial" instalation.

Just more sales bullshit. Yes it's a better antenna than your previous one,
but there is nothing digital about it, its just as analog as the old one.

OK a recieving Digital Antennas!
F Murtz should able to see what signal he gets on his TV mines 9 out
of 10. the old was 3-4 out of 10
Click to expand...
What are you measuring it with?
I have a signal strength meter which has a meter calibrated one to ten
but the scale has nothing to do with the scale of transmitted strength
it is just a means of measuring best signal for direction it will not
measure total strength out of ten from min to max transmitted as you
adjust the range with a pot
 
Rod Speed wrote:
"Petzl" <petzlx@gmail.com> wrote in message
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On Sun, 12 Feb 2017 03:26:22 +1100, "Rod Speed"
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"Petzl" <petzlx@gmail.com> wrote in message
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On Sat, 11 Feb 2017 17:22:54 +1100, "Rod Speed"
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"Petzl" <petzlx@gmail.com> wrote in message
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On Sat, 11 Feb 2017 12:58:07 +1100, F Murtz <haggisz@hotmail.com
wrote:

Petzl wrote:
On Fri, 10 Feb 2017 22:42:54 +1100, F Murtz <haggisz@hotmail.com
wrote:

Rod Speed wrote:


"Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote in message
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"F Murtz" <haggisz@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:58996add$0$41923$c3e8da3$3a1a2348@news.astraweb.com...
F Murtz wrote:
Benderthe.evilrobot wrote:

"F Murtz" <haggisz@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:5895cdf7$0$4415$b1db1813$145976f0@news.astraweb.com...
For months I have been having problems with tv reception
TV not
working on most channels for hours, I have been blaming 4g
towers,
fixed wireless towers etc that have just been put up etc.
I have just found the cause by accident, almost
unbelievable.
TV does not work if the kitchen light is on.
The culprit is one of these, a 12" or so multiple led
ceiling
LED
similar to this,
http://imgur.com/a/dj5ha


With a metal cased unit you can get away with a ferrite
collar
on
the
supply lead.

If you have to go inside - you can get split ferrite clamp on
collars
that can be fitted without lifting any wires, the smaller
sizes
you're
likely to want are harder to find.

When the temp in the roof gets below the high fourties I might
shift
the
coax that must be passing near,and or try ferrite.

Just looked in roof, coax goes nowhere near light so ferrite at
fitting next, who knows where next if that does not work.

Get a better LED light and get it from somewhere like
Bunnings or
Kmart
or Amazon so you can return it if its just as bad as the one you
already have.

Or Aldi.




appear to have fixed it, clip on ferrite mains side of electronic
transformer and one turn in a donut on the 12 volt side.

It is a recessed flat 200 mm dia 25 watt led.(fairly bright)

Tv now works, it was a combination of signal and interference
because
on
rare occasions the signal was strong enough to overcome the
interference
for a short time

Could be coincidence and just now getting good reception.

Absolutely no chance, without the ferite lights on, tv picture off
lights off, tv picture on except extremely rare occasion very
conclusive
over many many months even though I only recently discovered reason,
since ferrite absolutely no hickups

Good luck
So your aerial is analogue?

There is no such thing as a digital aerial for TV in this country.

OK Digital Antennas

There is no such thing as a digital antenna for TV in this country.

But the local Antenna installers advertise "digital aerial"
instalation.

Just more sales bullshit. Yes it's a better antenna than your
previous one,
but there is nothing digital about it, its just as analog as the old
one.

OK a recieving Digital Antennas!

Still no such animal. There is no difference between a
receiving digital antenna and a receiving analog antenna.

F Murtz should able to see what signal he gets on his TV mines 9 out
of 10. the old was 3-4 out of 10

That's just how well it performs, nothing to do with it being digital.
Click to expand...
 
"Petzl" <petzlx@gmail.com> wrote in message
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On Sun, 12 Feb 2017 03:26:22 +1100, "Rod Speed"
rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:



"Petzl" <petzlx@gmail.com> wrote in message
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On Sat, 11 Feb 2017 17:22:54 +1100, "Rod Speed"
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"Petzl" <petzlx@gmail.com> wrote in message
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On Sat, 11 Feb 2017 12:58:07 +1100, F Murtz <haggisz@hotmail.com
wrote:

Petzl wrote:
On Fri, 10 Feb 2017 22:42:54 +1100, F Murtz <haggisz@hotmail.com
wrote:

Rod Speed wrote:


"Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:efuu0vF3a44U1@mid.individual.net...


"F Murtz" <haggisz@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:58996add$0$41923$c3e8da3$3a1a2348@news.astraweb.com...
F Murtz wrote:
Benderthe.evilrobot wrote:

"F Murtz" <haggisz@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:5895cdf7$0$4415$b1db1813$145976f0@news.astraweb.com...
For months I have been having problems with tv reception TV
not
working on most channels for hours, I have been blaming 4g
towers,
fixed wireless towers etc that have just been put up etc.
I have just found the cause by accident, almost unbelievable.
TV does not work if the kitchen light is on.
The culprit is one of these, a 12" or so multiple led ceiling
LED
similar to this,
http://imgur.com/a/dj5ha


With a metal cased unit you can get away with a ferrite collar
on
the
supply lead.

If you have to go inside - you can get split ferrite clamp on
collars
that can be fitted without lifting any wires, the smaller
sizes
you're
likely to want are harder to find.

When the temp in the roof gets below the high fourties I might
shift
the
coax that must be passing near,and or try ferrite.

Just looked in roof, coax goes nowhere near light so ferrite at
fitting next, who knows where next if that does not work.

Get a better LED light and get it from somewhere like Bunnings or
Kmart
or Amazon so you can return it if its just as bad as the one you
already have.

Or Aldi.




appear to have fixed it, clip on ferrite mains side of electronic
transformer and one turn in a donut on the 12 volt side.

It is a recessed flat 200 mm dia 25 watt led.(fairly bright)

Tv now works, it was a combination of signal and interference
because
on
rare occasions the signal was strong enough to overcome the
interference
for a short time

Could be coincidence and just now getting good reception.

Absolutely no chance, without the ferite lights on, tv picture off
lights off, tv picture on except extremely rare occasion very
conclusive
over many many months even though I only recently discovered reason,
since ferrite absolutely no hickups

Good luck
So your aerial is analogue?

There is no such thing as a digital aerial for TV in this country.

OK Digital Antennas

There is no such thing as a digital antenna for TV in this country.

But the local Antenna installers advertise "digital aerial" instalation.

Just more sales bullshit. Yes it's a better antenna than your previous
one,
but there is nothing digital about it, its just as analog as the old one.

OK a recieving Digital Antennas!
Click to expand...

Still no such animal. There is no difference between a
receiving digital antenna and a receiving analog antenna.

F Murtz should able to see what signal he gets on his TV mines 9 out
of 10. the old was 3-4 out of 10
Click to expand...

That's just how well it performs, nothing to do with it being digital.
 
On Sun, 12 Feb 2017 16:24:41 +1100, F Murtz <haggisz@hotmail.com>
wrote:

Petzl wrote:
On Sun, 12 Feb 2017 03:26:22 +1100, "Rod Speed"
rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:



"Petzl" <petzlx@gmail.com> wrote in message
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On Sat, 11 Feb 2017 17:22:54 +1100, "Rod Speed"
rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:



"Petzl" <petzlx@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:mf5t9c5ve50tt3a2qhq1ruf6jso0da9gv8@4ax.com...
On Sat, 11 Feb 2017 12:58:07 +1100, F Murtz <haggisz@hotmail.com
wrote:

Petzl wrote:
On Fri, 10 Feb 2017 22:42:54 +1100, F Murtz <haggisz@hotmail.com
wrote:

Rod Speed wrote:


"Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:efuu0vF3a44U1@mid.individual.net...


"F Murtz" <haggisz@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:58996add$0$41923$c3e8da3$3a1a2348@news.astraweb.com...
F Murtz wrote:
Benderthe.evilrobot wrote:

"F Murtz" <haggisz@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:5895cdf7$0$4415$b1db1813$145976f0@news.astraweb.com...
For months I have been having problems with tv reception TV not
working on most channels for hours, I have been blaming 4g
towers,
fixed wireless towers etc that have just been put up etc.
I have just found the cause by accident, almost unbelievable.
TV does not work if the kitchen light is on.
The culprit is one of these, a 12" or so multiple led ceiling
LED
similar to this,
http://imgur.com/a/dj5ha


With a metal cased unit you can get away with a ferrite collar
on
the
supply lead.

If you have to go inside - you can get split ferrite clamp on
collars
that can be fitted without lifting any wires, the smaller sizes
you're
likely to want are harder to find.

When the temp in the roof gets below the high fourties I might
shift
the
coax that must be passing near,and or try ferrite.

Just looked in roof, coax goes nowhere near light so ferrite at
fitting next, who knows where next if that does not work.

Get a better LED light and get it from somewhere like Bunnings or
Kmart
or Amazon so you can return it if its just as bad as the one you
already have.

Or Aldi.




appear to have fixed it, clip on ferrite mains side of electronic
transformer and one turn in a donut on the 12 volt side.

It is a recessed flat 200 mm dia 25 watt led.(fairly bright)

Tv now works, it was a combination of signal and interference because
on
rare occasions the signal was strong enough to overcome the
interference
for a short time

Could be coincidence and just now getting good reception.

Absolutely no chance, without the ferite lights on, tv picture off
lights off, tv picture on except extremely rare occasion very conclusive
over many many months even though I only recently discovered reason,
since ferrite absolutely no hickups

Good luck
So your aerial is analogue?

There is no such thing as a digital aerial for TV in this country.

OK Digital Antennas

There is no such thing as a digital antenna for TV in this country.

But the local Antenna installers advertise "digital aerial" instalation.

Just more sales bullshit. Yes it's a better antenna than your previous one,
but there is nothing digital about it, its just as analog as the old one.

OK a recieving Digital Antennas!
F Murtz should able to see what signal he gets on his TV mines 9 out
of 10. the old was 3-4 out of 10

What are you measuring it with?
Click to expand...

The TV's themselves have a signal strenght reading
just push "info" on TV remote controler

I have a signal strength meter which has a meter calibrated one to ten
but the scale has nothing to do with the scale of transmitted strength
it is just a means of measuring best signal for direction it will not
measure total strength out of ten from min to max transmitted as you
adjust the range with a pot
Click to expand...
--
Petzl
Arguing with a woman is like reading the Software License Agreement.
In the end, you ignore everthing and click "I agree"
 
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