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[harry newton]

He who is rickman said on Tue, 21 Nov 2017 23:53:06 -0500:

You would love for that to be the case, but you're jumping to conclusions
out of confirmation bias (i.e., you *wish* it were true).

I'm the one *reporting* the issue here, not you, for heaven's sake.
I'm the one intimating Google can get *sued* for this, perhaps.
I'm the one asking for more information, for heaven's sake.
I'm the one who said Mashable errantly minimized the danger.

Not you. Not nospam.
Me.

All I'm saying are facts.
All you've said, is nothing of value.

I'm asking others to look on their phones for these reputed "Firebase Cloud
Messaging" services.

My phone is jailbroken where I can delete anything I want, where I *looked*
for anything on the phone remotely resembling a "Firebase Cloud Messaging"
service. I have plenty of root-only apps which seek out such things, but I
haven't seen it yet.

Admittedly, my phone is ancient, where the articles specifically mentioned
only the newer Android phones were updated in January of this year to send
the unique cell tower ID to Google servers.

So I'm the one asking *you* (and everyone here) what *they* have on their
phone that resembles "Firebase Cloud Messaging" services running.

Where's the value YOU added?

 

[rickman]

harry newton wrote on 11/22/2017 12:05 AM:

He who is rickman said on Tue, 21 Nov 2017 23:53:06 -0500:

You would love for that to be the case, but you're jumping to conclusions
out of confirmation bias (i.e., you *wish* it were true).

I'm the one *reporting* the issue here, not you, for heaven's sake.
I'm the one intimating Google can get *sued* for this, perhaps.
I'm the one asking for more information, for heaven's sake.
I'm the one who said Mashable errantly minimized the danger.

Not you. Not nospam. Me.

All I'm saying are facts.

And speculation... "it doesn't appear to be something
they sanctioned (because they wouldn't likely have agreed to terminate the
practice so quickly if they had their legal ducks already lined up)."


> All you've said, is nothing of value.

I think there is value in distinguishing between the facts and your
speculation.

So I'm the one asking *you* (and everyone here) what *they* have on their
phone that resembles "Firebase Cloud Messaging" services running.

Which has nothing to do with reporting facts.


> Where's the value YOU added?

Pointing out your speculation which is *not* fact.

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[harry newton]

He who is Jeff Liebermann said on Tue, 21 Nov 2017 19:26:10 -0800:

> It's not an app. It's service:

Do you know how to tell, definitively, if any given phone is running this
compromised service?

I don't see it running when I look using these instructions:
<https://www.howtogeek.com/258300/how-to-access-androids-list-of-running-apps-in-6.0-marshmallow-and-above/>

However, it could be running *inside* an app that linked to the API.

When I check it with adb, I get the following error:
$ adb shell service list
error: device not found

I can check with "ps" though:
$ ps | grep -i service
Returns about a dozen services such as:
org.simalliance.openmobileapi.service:remote
samsung.clipboardsaveservice
com.sec.android.inputmethod:ACService
etc.
But:
$ ps | grep -i firebase
Returns nothing

At this point, I see no evidence (yet anyway) of firebase services on my
Android 4.3 phone. Do you?

 

[harry newton]

He who is rickman said on Wed, 22 Nov 2017 00:32:39 -0500:

Where's the value YOU added?

Pointing out your speculation which is *not* fact.

Fair enough.

Do you know how to tell, definitively, if any given phone is running this
compromised service?

I don't see it running when I look using these instructions:
<https://www.howtogeek.com/258300/how-to-access-androids-list-of-running-apps-in-6.0-marshmallow-and-above/>

However, it could be running *inside* an app that linked to the API.

When I check it with adb, I get the following error:
$ adb shell service list
error: device not found

I can check with "ps" though:
$ ps | grep -i service
Returns about a dozen services such as:
org.simalliance.openmobileapi.service:remote
samsung.clipboardsaveservice
com.sec.android.inputmethod:ACService
etc.
But:
$ ps | grep -i firebase
Returns nothing

At this point, I see no evidence (yet anyway) of firebase services on my
Android 4.3 phone. Do you see evidence of it running on yours?

 

On Tuesday, November 21, 2017 12:40AM, harry newton wrote:

He who is Jeff Liebermann said on Tue, 21 Nov 2017 19:26:10 -0800:

It's not an app. It's service:

Do you know how to tell, definitively, if any given phone is running this
compromised service?

I don't see it running when I look using these instructions:
https://www.howtogeek.com/258300/how-to-access-androids-list-of-running-apps-in-6.0-marshmallow-and-above/

However, it could be running *inside* an app that linked to the API

And at what point are you to assume that additional hidden in-house billing or update-service programming (that can't be turned-off) automatically reveals a phone's location at an un-announced time?

 

[pfjw@aol.com]

For What It's Worth

Buffalo Springfield (1967)

There's something happening here
What it is ain't exactly clear
There's a man with a gun over there
Telling me I got to beware

I think it's time we stop, children, what's that sound
Everybody look what's going down

There's battle lines being drawn
Nobody's right if everybody's wrong
Young people speaking their minds
Getting so much resistance from behind

It's time we stop, hey, what's that sound
Everybody look what's going down

What a field-day for the heat
A thousand people in the street
Singing songs and carrying signs
Mostly say, hooray for our side

It's s time we stop, hey, what's that sound
Everybody look what's going down

Paranoia strikes deep
Into your life it will creep
It starts when you're always afraid
You step out of line, the man come and take you away

We better stop, hey, what's that sound
Everybody look what's going down
Stop, hey, what's that sound
Everybody look what's going down
Stop, now, what's that sound
Everybody look what's going down
Stop, children, what's that sound
Everybody look what's going down

Not much has changed.

Peter Wieck
Melrose Park, PA

 

[Jeff Liebermann]

On Wed, 22 Nov 2017 05:40:42 +0000 (UTC), harry newton
<harry@is.invalid> wrote:

At this point, I see no evidence (yet anyway) of firebase services on my
Android 4.3 phone. Do you?

I dunno and don't have the time to check. Since it's probably buried
the application code, I doubt if I'll find anything.

However, all this begs another question. Assuming that Wi-Fi is also
turned off in Airplane mode, what the hell is Google doing
TRANSMITTING anything? Unless its buffered, to use the phone for
location tracking would require transmitting the tower ID's when they
are heard. I would think that the airline companies would take a dim
view of this as Google's transmitting anything in an commercial
airliner in flight could interfere with aircraft navigation, which is
the purpose of having the Airplane mode. If some airliner falls out
of the sky due to a navigation error, Google's tracking trickery could
easily be deemed responsible.

Incidentally, there's quite a bit more information available that
could be used for location tracking than just the tower ID. The big
one is the propagation delay (ping time) between the handset and the
cell tower, which defines a location radius. Two or three such delays
would obtain your location quite accurately. However, Google could
just as easily transmit the GPS location or the individual satellite
delays in order to obtain a location. It's odd that they would
transmit only the tower ID's, as there so much more available.

I should probably fire up the spectrum analyzer, turn off the wi-fi,
and see if my Samsung S6 is belching anything in Airplane mode.
However, tomorrow is the Day of the Turkeys and I have other plans.

Happy Day of the Turkeys.

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[harry newton]

He who is Jeff Liebermann said on Wed, 22 Nov 2017 09:32:54 -0800:

I dunno and don't have the time to check. Since it's probably buried
the application code, I doubt if I'll find anything.

That's understandable.
It was reported only yesterday, so, the pundits need to dig deeper for us.

However, all this begs another question. Assuming that Wi-Fi is also
turned off in Airplane mode, what the hell is Google doing
TRANSMITTING anything? Unless its buffered, to use the phone for
location tracking would require transmitting the tower ID's when they
are heard.

The code, as I understand it, only activates when you're connected to the
Internet (via either cellular data or WiFi). Nothing else is required.
* no sim card
* factory defaults (i.e., no apps)
* location services turned off
<https://qz.com/1131515/google-collects-android-users-locations-even-when-location-services-are-disabled/>

"Devices with a cellular data or WiFi connection appear to send the data to
Google each time they come within range of a new cell tower."

Slate.com also said the information is sent the moment two things happen:
1. You're on the Internet (using WiFi or cellular data)
2. And you're "in range" of a cellular tower
<http://www.slate.com/articles/technology/technology/2017/11/how_to_stop_phone_from_tracking_location_android_latest_to_prove_you_should.html>

I would think that the airline companies would take a dim
view of this as Google's transmitting anything in an commercial
airliner in flight could interfere with aircraft navigation, which is
the purpose of having the Airplane mode. If some airliner falls out
of the sky due to a navigation error, Google's tracking trickery could
easily be deemed responsible.

I think the transmission only occurs if two things are simultaneous:
1. You're in range of a cell tower, and,
2. You're already on the Internet

If the SIM card is out of the phone, then the only way you'll be on the
Internet is with WiFi (or maybe also reverse tethering, I suppose).

Incidentally, there's quite a bit more information available that
could be used for location tracking than just the tower ID. The big
one is the propagation delay (ping time) between the handset and the
cell tower, which defines a location radius.

This is very interesting, as you always know the details that are juicy.

Where we both live, towers aren't necessarily close, but if, say, for
example, I'm staking out those pot farmers in Boulder Creek who were
arrested for shooting at suspected pot thieves during that fire a couple of
weeks ago, then I don't want ANY information about my proximity to ANY cell
tower to be transmitted.

Here's what Google was quoted as having said in the QZ.com article:
"In January of this year, we began ... using Cell ID codes as an additional
signal to further improve the speed and performance of message delivery"

Two or three such delays
would obtain your location quite accurately.

This is good information to know.
Well, actually, it's bad information to know.
But you know what I mean.

However, Google could
just as easily transmit the GPS location or the individual satellite
delays in order to obtain a location. It's odd that they would
transmit only the tower ID's, as there so much more available.

They *are* getting *more* than the unique cell tower id.
1. MCC
2. MNC
3. CID

Google provided this quote to Gizmodo:
"To ensure messages and notifications are received quickly, modern
Android phones use a network sync system that requires the use of Mobile
Country Codes (MCC) and Mobile Network Codes (MNC). In January of this
year, we began ... using Cell ID codes as an additional signal to further
improve the speed and performance of message delivery. ... MCC and MNC
provide necessary network information for message and notification delivery
and are distinctly separate from Location Services..."
<https://gizmodo.com/your-android-phone-has-been-sending-location-data-to-go-1820639889>

I should probably fire up the spectrum analyzer, turn off the wi-fi,
and see if my Samsung S6 is belching anything in Airplane mode.

I think airplane mode might still be working - except on some iOS devices
with the older OS's (which some of mine are on).

 

[Char Jackson]

On Wed, 22 Nov 2017 09:32:54 -0800, Jeff Liebermann <jeffl@cruzio.com>
wrote:

However, all this begs another question. Assuming that Wi-Fi is also
turned off in Airplane mode, what the hell is Google doing
TRANSMITTING anything? Unless its buffered,

That seems likely, along with timestamps on everything to facilitate
correlation.

to use the phone for
location tracking would require transmitting the tower ID's when they
are heard. I would think that the airline companies would take a dim
view of this as Google's transmitting anything in an commercial
airliner in flight could interfere with aircraft navigation, which is
the purpose of having the Airplane mode. If some airliner falls out
of the sky due to a navigation error, Google's tracking trickery could
easily be deemed responsible.

Ever since most airlines have started allowing personal wireless devices
to remain on throughout commercial flights*, it's probably no longer a
big deal.

*Supposedly, not during take-off and landing, while the aircraft is
below 10,000 feet, but I travel very frequently for work and I can't
remember the last time I noticed anyone complying with that request.

As far as I know, there's no evidence to suggest that personal wireless
devices actually interfere with aircraft navigation or operation. The
whole thing, from the start, was done out of an abundance of caution,
not as a result of any specific test results.

 

[Jeff Liebermann]

On Wed, 22 Nov 2017 09:32:54 -0800, Jeff Liebermann <jeffl@cruzio.com>
wrote:

However, all this begs another question. Assuming that Wi-Fi is also
turned off in Airplane mode, what the hell is Google doing
TRANSMITTING anything?

I've been working too hard and have screwed up. I somehow assumed
that it was Airplane Mode that was turned off, not Location Services.
They're quite different.

Just ignore me. Maybe a turkey overdose will help.

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Santa Cruz CA 95060 http://802.11junk.com
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On Tue, 21 Nov 2017 22:40:17 +0000 (UTC), harry newton
<harry@is.invalid> wrote:

Since the beginning of 2017, Android phones have been collecting the
addresses of nearby cellular towers+IBQ-even when location services are
disabled+IBQ-and sending that data back to Google.

Google was apparently collecting cell tower data from all modern Android
devices before being contacted by Quartz. A source familiar with the matter
said the cell tower addresses were being sent to Google after a change in
early 2017 to the Firebase Cloud Messaging service, which is owned by
Google and runs on Android phones by default.

Devices with a cellular data or WiFi connection appear to send the data to
Google each time they come within range of a new cell tower. When Android
devices are connected to a WiFi network, they will send the tower addresses
to Google even if they don+IBk-t have SIM cards installed.

Android devices never offered consumers a way to opt out of the collection
of cell tower data.

Google is 'NOT' your friend !

 

[amdx]

On 11/22/2017 5:43 PM, Jeff Liebermann wrote:

On Wed, 22 Nov 2017 09:32:54 -0800, Jeff Liebermann <jeffl@cruzio.com
wrote:

However, all this begs another question. Assuming that Wi-Fi is also
turned off in Airplane mode, what the hell is Google doing
TRANSMITTING anything?

I've been working too hard and have screwed up. I somehow assumed
that it was Airplane Mode that was turned off, not Location Services.
They're quite different.

Just ignore me. Maybe a turkey overdose will help.

Here's a video showing all the travel the phone owner did, his voice
messages, many things. He shows how to stop it and if you want to stop
all of it.
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4xgLhjTLn7Q

Interesting video,
Mikek

 

On Tuesday, 28 November 2017 18:36:41 UTC, amdx wrote:

On 11/22/2017 5:43 PM, Jeff Liebermann wrote:
On Wed, 22 Nov 2017 09:32:54 -0800, Jeff Liebermann <jeffl@cruzio.com
wrote:

However, all this begs another question. Assuming that Wi-Fi is also
turned off in Airplane mode, what the hell is Google doing
TRANSMITTING anything?

I've been working too hard and have screwed up. I somehow assumed
that it was Airplane Mode that was turned off, not Location Services.
They're quite different.

Just ignore me. Maybe a turkey overdose will help.

Here's a video showing all the travel the phone owner did, his voice
messages, many things. He shows how to stop it and if you want to stop
all of it.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4xgLhjTLn7Q

Interesting video,
Mikek

I've not seen it so far, but do you really think a large organisation co-opted into providing 'data' on its users would really turn that off just because you ask them? Do governments usually work that way?

 

On Saturday, February 26, 2000 at 3:00:00 AM UTC-5, Chris Macaulay wrote:

I am looking for a service manual or schematic for a Nikko Alpha 450 dc
power amplifier. If anyone has any information on these I would appreciate
an e-mail, or reply,

Chris Macaulay

Hi Chris, I am repairing an Alpha 450. The owner had someone ttry to use a some huge filter caps. It does not work, Sould you please send me the schematic?'
THanks '
Joe

 

[Foxs Mercantile]

On 12/4/2017 2:58 PM, jbdescartes@gmail.com wrote:

On Saturday, February 26, 2000 at 3:00:00 AM UTC-5, Chris Macaulay wrote:
I am looking for a service manual or schematic for a Nikko Alpha 450 dc
power amplifier. If anyone has any information on these I would appreciate
an e-mail, or reply,

Chris Macaulay

Hi Chris, I am repairing an Alpha 450. The owner had someone ttry to use a some huge filter caps. It does not work, Sould you please send me the schematic?'
THanks '
Joe

1. Chris didn't have the schematics to begin with.
2. Chris posted that over 17 years ago.

--
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wa6fwi
http://www.foxsmercantile.com

 

[Mr. Man-wai Chang]

On 6/12/2017 9:44 AM, james@nospam.com wrote:

What is the thread size for screws to mount a HDD or Floppy drive?

I know they are very small, and vary in length, but I think they are all
the same thickness and thread pitch. I need to see if I can get these at
a local hardware store, or else I will have to go to ebay.

Anyone know the specs on them?

Did you attempt a Google Search using keywords?

https://www.google.com.hk/search?q=computer+chassis+screw+thread+size

And don't forget about Amazon:

https://www.amazon.com/s/ref=nb_sb_noss?url=search-alias%3Daps&field-keywords=screws+computer+chassis

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[Samuel M. Goldwasser]

Followup: I have gone inside the very convincing fake Applee A1385 cube:

http://repairfaq.cis.upenn.edu/Misc/audiofaq.htm#audipafc1

Scroll down to the end of that section.

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[Phil Hobbs]

On 12/20/2017 04:10 PM, Samuel M. Goldwasser wrote:

Followup: I have gone inside the very convincing fake Applee A1385 cube:

http://repairfaq.cis.upenn.edu/Misc/audiofaq.htm#audipafc1

Scroll down to the end of that section.

I have a much nastier one than that, also good-looking from the outside.

This one is a 2-transistor Royer running full blast into a 5.1V, 1W
zener diode. The zener unsoldered itself from the board.

Bastards.

Cheers

Phil Hobbs


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ElectroOptical Innovations LLC / Hobbs ElectroOptics
Optics, Electro-optics, Photonics, Analog Electronics
Briarcliff Manor NY 10510

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[John Robertson]

On 2017/12/21 9:15 AM, Phil Hobbs wrote:

On 12/20/2017 04:10 PM, Samuel M. Goldwasser wrote:
Followup: I have gone inside the very convincing fake Applee A1385 cube:

http://repairfaq.cis.upenn.edu/Misc/audiofaq.htm#audipafc1

Scroll down to the end of that section.


I have a much nastier one than that, also good-looking from the outside.

This one is a 2-transistor Royer running full blast into a 5.1V, 1W
zener diode. The zener unsoldered itself from the board.

Bastards.

Cheers

Phil Hobbs

You could share photos of that with Sam for his article. Perhaps someone
will spot that prior to buying that junk on eBay or Amazon.

Heck I'd like to see pictures of that junk just to remind me and my
staff/friends/family to be careful with what one buys...

Thanks,

John :-#)#

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[Phil Hobbs]

On 12/21/2017 12:36 PM, John Robertson wrote:

On 2017/12/21 9:15 AM, Phil Hobbs wrote:
On 12/20/2017 04:10 PM, Samuel M. Goldwasser wrote:
Followup: I have gone inside the very convincing fake Applee A1385 cube:

   http://repairfaq.cis.upenn.edu/Misc/audiofaq.htm#audipafc1

Scroll down to the end of that section.


I have a much nastier one than that, also good-looking from the outside.

This one is a 2-transistor Royer running full blast into a 5.1V, 1W
zener diode.  The zener unsoldered itself from the board.

Bastards.

Cheers

Phil Hobbs



You could share photos of that with Sam for his article. Perhaps someone
will spot that prior to buying that junk on eBay or Amazon.

Heck I'd like to see pictures of that junk just to remind me and my
staff/friends/family to be careful with what one buys...

Thanks,

John :-#)#

Went looking for it and it turns out that one of my tidier colleagues
tossed it. Oh, well.

Cheers

Phil Hobbs

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Principal Consultant
ElectroOptical Innovations LLC / Hobbs ElectroOptics
Optics, Electro-optics, Photonics, Analog Electronics
Briarcliff Manor NY 10510

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