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[Ian Field]

"John Robertson" <spam@flippers.com> wrote in message
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On 2017/06/26 9:52 PM, Phil Allison wrote:
John Robertson wrote:

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When they are RUN at the rated voltage and power. If you dim them the
tungsten is deposited on the quartz and short of heating the quarts to
white hot (above poster's remarks) the tungsten is going to STAY on the
quartz, not recoating on the filament.

http://www.topbulb.com/blog/dimming-alters-halogen-cycle/


** That is merely one person's opinion, not backed up with evidence.

Wiki says differently :

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Halogen_lamp#Effect_of_voltage_on_performance

Stage lighting uses dimming all the time with halogen lamps and there is
no blackening or short life experienced - the lamps run much longer as
expected.

The claim that the "halogen cycle" puts metal back on the filament is
true but it does not deposit it back where it came from so has little
effect on lamp life.

Most halogen lamps are low voltage or high powered - so in both cases the
filaments are thicker than typical non halogen examples.

Having a thick filament makes a halogen lamp last longer.



..... Phil


Well, I must confess I've never studied halogen bulbs on dimmers but
reading Lutron's site does not give any concerns from them about halogens
on dimmers in household use:

It seems fairly obvious that a dimmed filament doesn't gas off much
tungsten.

Ordinary bulbs above a certain rating are banned and have been replaced by
halogen capsules enclosed in a regular globe envelope.

So far; I've not seen any dimmable CFLs on the shelves and LED bulbs are
probably more tricky. The packaged halogen capsules are the easy way out if
you want a dimmer.

 

[pfjw@aol.com]

https://www.1000bulbs.com/category/dimmable-cfl-compact-fluorescents/

They exist, our local Home Depot stocks them. Personally, I do not use them. If I need dimming, I use an LED.

Peter Wieck
Melrose Park, PA

 

[pfjw@aol.com]

Don't feel bad. When approached by an aggressive panhandler, I take this approach, 100% of the time:

You empty your pockets (I get to search), and I will empty mine (you get to search). Whatever we find, we split it right down the middle.

In well over 100 offers of this sort, I have never once had a taker.

Peter Wieck
Melrose Park, PA

 

[Phil Allison]

John-Del is Deranged:

** You have never shown me to be actually wrong.


We don't need to go to far, you're wrong on this thread.

** No one tiny bit.

OTOH you have ignored many photos that prove you wrong beyond any doubt.


FYI out there:

Delusional Del is an obvious lunatic and congenital asshole.



...... Phil

 

[Phil Allison]

pf...@aol.com wrote:

The Wieck troll

https://www.1000bulbs.com/category/dimmable-cfl-compact-fluorescents/

They exist, our local Home Depot stocks them.
Personally, I do not use them.
If I need dimming, I use an LED.

** Dimmable CFLs require a special dimmer, not the standard triac kind.

LED lamps have the same issue, most of them are "non-dimmable" and the rest need a similar, special dimmer.

OTOH, if you have a spare Variac lying around, it will dim most CFLs rather well and LEDs not so well.



...... Phil

 

[John-Del]

On Thursday, June 29, 2017 at 8:55:23 PM UTC-4, Phil Allison wrote:

John-Del is Deranged:



** You have never shown me to be actually wrong.


We don't need to go to far, you're wrong on this thread.


** No one tiny bit.

OTOH you have ignored many photos that prove you wrong beyond any doubt.

Those photos only prove you don't know what you're looking at. Those filaments have not nearly enough support to render those halogen lamps as sturdy as standard incandescents. Filaments that run that hot need more support per given length.

General Electric says this:

"Unlike incandescent rough service or vibration service lamps, Halogen and HIR lamps are not equipped with filament supports because they would result in the de-rating of the life and lumens, and thusly defeat the purpose of providing extremely long life, energy savings and high lumen output. These features differentiate Halogen and HIR lamps from similar incandescent counterparts."

Phallus'n says this: I'm right and if you don't agree with me you're an autistic deranged fuckwit who should kill himself!!!

Are you that delusional where you think anybody reading this NG would possibly agree with you Phil?

I would suggest you take that toaster you're rebuilding and modifying and take it in the bathtub with you (plugged in), but since your trailer is so roach infested I doubt you even know what a bathtub is.

 

[Phil Allison]

John-Del is Totally Deranged:

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** You have never shown me to be actually wrong.


We don't need to go to far, you're wrong on this thread.


** No one tiny bit.

OTOH you have ignored many photos that prove you wrong beyond any doubt.


Those photos only prove you don't know what you're looking at.

** They prove you and GE wrong.

Those filaments have not nearly enough support to render those halogen
lamps as sturdy as standard incandescents.

** Del is now *desperately* trying to change the subject.

Cos he is a congenital, lying POS.

FYI to all:

Halogen tube lamps have sufficient internal supports to allow them to be used in portable work lights and similar jobs.

General Electric says this:

"Unlike incandescent rough service or vibration service lamps, Halogen and HIR lamps are not equipped with filament supports because they would result in the de-rating of the life and lumens, and thusly defeat the purpose of providing extremely long life, energy savings and high lumen output. These features differentiate Halogen and HIR lamps from similar incandescent counterparts."

** GE sell identical looking halogen tube lamps, with similar multiple supports.

http://www.gelighting.com/LightingWeb/emea/images/Halogen_DEQ_and_IR_DEQ_Lamps_Data_sheet_EN_tcm181-12726.pdf

Phallus'n says this: I'm right and if you don't agree with me you're
an autistic deranged fuckwit who should kill himself!!!

** Yep - you are very much one of them.

A dangerous lunatic in anyone's book.




...... Phil

 

[rickman]

John-Del wrote on 6/29/2017 10:23 PM:

On Thursday, June 29, 2017 at 8:55:23 PM UTC-4, Phil Allison wrote:
John-Del is Deranged:



** You have never shown me to be actually wrong.


We don't need to go to far, you're wrong on this thread.


** No one tiny bit.

OTOH you have ignored many photos that prove you wrong beyond any doubt.


Those photos only prove you don't know what you're looking at. Those filaments have not nearly enough support to render those halogen lamps as sturdy as standard incandescents. Filaments that run that hot need more support per given length.

General Electric says this:

"Unlike incandescent rough service or vibration service lamps, Halogen and HIR lamps are not equipped with filament supports because they would result in the de-rating of the life and lumens, and thusly defeat the purpose of providing extremely long life, energy savings and high lumen output. These features differentiate Halogen and HIR lamps from similar incandescent counterparts."

Phallus'n says this: I'm right and if you don't agree with me you're an autistic deranged fuckwit who should kill himself!!!

Are you that delusional where you think anybody reading this NG would possibly agree with you Phil?

I would suggest you take that toaster you're rebuilding and modifying and take it in the bathtub with you (plugged in), but since your trailer is so roach infested I doubt you even know what a bathtub is.

The problem with Phil is not that he rants and raves like a lunatic. The
problem is that people not only read his posts, they take them seriously as
if they *weren't* written by a deranged sociopath and respond! The
resulting conversations are *NEVER* productive resulting in a tirade of
insults and imbecilic retorts that demonstrate only the extent of his mental
illness. The conversations rage on with no useful content until everyone
finally tires of the insanity of it all and gives up the attempts at
rational discourse. Some people take longer than others.

--

Rick C

 

On Thursday, 29 June 2017 12:51:44 UTC+1, Phil Allison wrote:

tabby wrote:

Sometimes you're just bizarre.

** Mostly I make more good sense that you care or are able to acknowledge.


In case you actually are that confused, which is hard to believe,
I have never been involved in producing or selling fake transistors
or any other fake parts.

** Good, I believe you.

Then explain what made you think it was clever to defend those who did ?

It was done over several posts and you were smug as hell about it.

There is nothing the *iniest bit funny* about Asian and US based criminals ripping off keen electronics hobbyists and honest repair industry folk like me.

Over to you...........


.... Phil

Sometimes I'm not sure which planet you're from. I do not encourage, agree with or assist criminals who fake parts or deal in fake parts. Never have.

Component procurement in what I do is however utterly different to how probably all of you get parts, and I suspect a large misunderstanding to have arisen from that.


NT

 

On Thursday, 29 June 2017 15:01:15 UTC+1, John-Del wrote:

On Wednesday, June 28, 2017 at 11:24:19 PM UTC-4, Phil Allison wrote:
John-Delusional Fuckwit wrote:

One more thing: if you look at a halogen lamp crosseyed the filament will
fail from the shock of your stare.. The filaments are not supported as
they are in a standard incandescent lamp so they must not be subject to
shock or vibration.



** See pics of 150W halogen tube lamps:

http://www.destinationlighting.com/images/products_zoom/549/13549~zoom.jpg


http://www.homedepot.com/catalog/productImages/1000/b7/b7e4d552-8a07-4441-a54c-0c250efeef67_1000.jpg

https://images.musicstore.de/images/1600/omnilux-halogen-lamp-bulb-g-6-35-150-watts-24-volts_1_LIG0000456-000.jpg

How about a 1000W one:

http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/6174-2HVwIL._SL1500_.jpg



http://www.gelighting.com/LightingWeb/apac/images/GE-Avoiding-Hot-Shock-Halogen-HIR_tcm281-33642.pdf




Phallus'n emanated the following from his bunghole:


They are real pics published by folk who make and sell the lamps.


General Electric is one of the largest manufacturers of all kinds of lighting on the planet. Strangely, most folks who are not confined to an insane asylum would believe technical information from General Electric over some two-bit self aggrandized "technician" such as yourself.

This is what General Electric says about the subject:

"Unlike incandescent rough service or vibration service lamps, Halogen and HIR lamps are not equipped with filament supports because they would result in the de-rating of the life and lumens, and thusly defeat the purpose of providing extremely long life, energy savings and high lumen output. These features differentiate Halogen and HIR lamps from similar incandescent counterparts. However, these high performance lamps require more consideration and education when installing and aiming them."

Anyone who ever tried to use halogen lamps in portable clamp lights know they will be lucky to survive one minor bump, whereas even conventional incandescent lamps will survive several, and rough service incandescent lamps are extraordinarily tough.

GE says your wrong Phil. Everyone here *knows* you're a Wiki jockey. Do usenet a big favor and go back to fixing toasters and coffee makers and stop pretending to be playing with the big boys. Oh yeah, clean your trailer of roaches while you're at it...

https://groups.google.com/forum/?fromgroups=#!topic/sci.electronics.repair/YcNfjgMv6zw%5B1-25%5D

Phil certainly has his problems but he's right on this one.


NT

 

[Ian Field]

<pfjw@aol.com> wrote in message
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https://www.1000bulbs.com/category/dimmable-cfl-compact-fluorescents/

They exist, our local Home Depot stocks them. Personally, I do not use
them. If I need dimming, I use an LED.

Some LED bulbs are switch mode, usually flyback AFAICT. They are pretty much
the same as CFLs on a triac dimmer.

Most cheaper LED bulbs are wattless-dropper - I haven't bothered trying any
on a dimmer.

I've seen data sheets for PFC front end CFL and LED driver chips - but no
products on the shelves so far.

 

[pfjw@aol.com]

On Friday, June 30, 2017 at 2:00:04 PM UTC-4, Ian Field wrote:

Some LED bulbs are switch mode, usually flyback AFAICT. They are pretty much
the same as CFLs on a triac dimmer.

http://creebulb.com/bulbfinder

We use Cree lamps where we need dimming, and in general if replacements. We still have some few legacy LED lamps in place (stuff that came-with other stuff), but we do not intend to dim those.

NOTE: some cheap LED lamps are very noisy in the RF range. VERY noisy, approaching that of an unshielded ignition transformer (oil burner).

Peter Wieck
Melrose Park, PA

 

[John-Del]

On Friday, June 30, 2017 at 11:38:41 AM UTC-4, tabb...@gmail.com wrote:

On Thursday, 29 June 2017 15:01:15 UTC+1, John-Del wrote:
On Wednesday, June 28, 2017 at 11:24:19 PM UTC-4, Phil Allison wrote:
John-Delusional Fuckwit wrote:

One more thing: if you look at a halogen lamp crosseyed the filament will
fail from the shock of your stare.. The filaments are not supported as
they are in a standard incandescent lamp so they must not be subject to
shock or vibration.



** See pics of 150W halogen tube lamps:

http://www.destinationlighting.com/images/products_zoom/549/13549~zoom.jpg


http://www.homedepot.com/catalog/productImages/1000/b7/b7e4d552-8a07-4441-a54c-0c250efeef67_1000.jpg

https://images.musicstore.de/images/1600/omnilux-halogen-lamp-bulb-g-6-35-150-watts-24-volts_1_LIG0000456-000.jpg

How about a 1000W one:

http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/6174-2HVwIL._SL1500_.jpg



http://www.gelighting.com/LightingWeb/apac/images/GE-Avoiding-Hot-Shock-Halogen-HIR_tcm281-33642.pdf




Phallus'n emanated the following from his bunghole:


They are real pics published by folk who make and sell the lamps.


General Electric is one of the largest manufacturers of all kinds of lighting on the planet. Strangely, most folks who are not confined to an insane asylum would believe technical information from General Electric over some two-bit self aggrandized "technician" such as yourself.

This is what General Electric says about the subject:

"Unlike incandescent rough service or vibration service lamps, Halogen and HIR lamps are not equipped with filament supports because they would result in the de-rating of the life and lumens, and thusly defeat the purpose of providing extremely long life, energy savings and high lumen output. These features differentiate Halogen and HIR lamps from similar incandescent counterparts. However, these high performance lamps require more consideration and education when installing and aiming them."

Anyone who ever tried to use halogen lamps in portable clamp lights know they will be lucky to survive one minor bump, whereas even conventional incandescent lamps will survive several, and rough service incandescent lamps are extraordinarily tough.

GE says your wrong Phil.

Phil certainly has his problems but he's right on this one.


NT

Okay, that's two that think they're right and General Electric is wrong. Not sure if that constitutes a consensus or not...

Hehehe......

 

[pfjw@aol.com]

When dealing with closely held beliefs, revealed religion and pronouncements from burning bushes, only war will determine what is 'truth' - and only insofar as the winner writes the history books.

Keep in mind the 'simple truth' of Evolution:

In the United States:

19% believe in Evolution.
34% believe in pure creationism.
25% believe in 'directed evolution'.
The rest have no opinion.

And the US is by no means any different than the rest of the world in its beliefs.

So, something as esoteric as lamp filaments... you get the picture.

Peter Wieck
Melrose Park, PA

 

[John Robertson]

On 2017/06/30 1:22 PM, pfjw@aol.com wrote:

When dealing with closely held beliefs, revealed religion and pronouncements from burning bushes, only war will determine what is 'truth' - and only insofar as the winner writes the history books.

Keep in mind the 'simple truth' of Evolution:

In the United States:

19% believe in Evolution.
34% believe in pure creationism.
25% believe in 'directed evolution'.
The rest have no opinion.

And the US is by no means any different than the rest of the world in its beliefs.

So, something as esoteric as lamp filaments... you get the picture.

Peter Wieck
Melrose Park, PA

Make filaments GREAT again!

(ducking)

John

 

On Friday, 30 June 2017 19:00:04 UTC+1, Ian Field wrote:

pfjw@aol.com> wrote in message
news:f77e28fb-0aa9-4f70-aa22-1058f708a4c9@googlegroups.com...
https://www.1000bulbs.com/category/dimmable-cfl-compact-fluorescents/

They exist, our local Home Depot stocks them. Personally, I do not use
them. If I need dimming, I use an LED.

Some LED bulbs are switch mode, usually flyback AFAICT. They are pretty much
the same as CFLs on a triac dimmer.

Most cheaper LED bulbs are wattless-dropper - I haven't bothered trying any
on a dimmer.

I've seen data sheets for PFC front end CFL and LED driver chips - but no
products on the shelves so far.

CR supplies used in some LEDs burn up on dimmers or MSW inverters. The voltage steps cause current pulses that increase resistor P_diss massively. They dim perfectly on variacs - but probably no-one uses variac dimmers now.

I suppose in principle a mosfet dimmer could switch off & on at the same voltage each side of the peak, and thus work ok with CR PSU LEDs, but I've not heard of such dimmers - not been looking for any dimmers for years though.


NT

 

On Friday, 30 June 2017 20:50:02 UTC+1, John-Del wrote:

On Friday, June 30, 2017 at 11:38:41 AM UTC-4, tabby wrote:

Phil certainly has his problems but he's right on this one.

Okay, that's two that think they're right and General Electric is wrong. Not sure if that constitutes a consensus or not...

Hehehe......

way more than 2. If you've not met promotional literature that makes claims that don't add up, I don't know where you've been hiding.


NT

 

[Phil Allison]

tabb...@gmail.com wrote:

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Sometimes you're just bizarre.

** Mostly I make more good sense that you care or are able to acknowledge.


In case you actually are that confused, which is hard to believe,
I have never been involved in producing or selling fake transistors
or any other fake parts.

** Good, I believe you.

Then explain what made you think it was clever to defend those who did ?

It was done over several posts and you were smug as hell about it.

There is nothing the *iniest bit funny* about Asian and US based criminals ripping off keen electronics hobbyists and honest repair industry folk like me.

Over to you...........



Sometimes I'm not sure which planet you're from. I do not encourage,
agree with or assist criminals who fake parts or deal in fake parts.
Never have.

** Your posts on SED a few year back re fake Motorola power BJTs were bizarre.

Component procurement in what I do is however utterly different to
how probably all of you get parts,

** What the hell does *that* mean ???

Thornton is definitely "covering up" here.

If Google has it, I will repost what NT said on SED.


..... Phil

 

[Phil Allison]

tabb...@gmail.com wrote:

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way more than 2. If you've not met promotional literature that makes
claims that don't add up, I don't know where you've been hiding.

** And that is all it is - a *blurb* written hastily by some anonymous staffer using half baked information and expressed carelessly.

Problem is, the internet preseves it indefinitely when it once would have been consigned to the round filing cabinet.

Next Google's " finds needles in a haystacks " search algorithm homes in on it cos it contain a key term.

Then some dopey Google Monkey treats it like the word of god.


...... Phil

 

On Saturday, 1 July 2017 01:14:06 UTC+1, Phil Allison wrote:

tabby wrote:

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Sometimes you're just bizarre.

** Mostly I make more good sense that you care or are able to acknowledge.


In case you actually are that confused, which is hard to believe,
I have never been involved in producing or selling fake transistors
or any other fake parts.

** Good, I believe you.

Then explain what made you think it was clever to defend those who did ?

It was done over several posts and you were smug as hell about it.

There is nothing the *iniest bit funny* about Asian and US based criminals ripping off keen electronics hobbyists and honest repair industry folk like me.

Over to you...........



Sometimes I'm not sure which planet you're from. I do not encourage,
agree with or assist criminals who fake parts or deal in fake parts.
Never have.


** Your posts on SED a few year back re fake Motorola power BJTs were bizarre.


Component procurement in what I do is however utterly different to
how probably all of you get parts,


** What the hell does *that* mean ???

Thornton is definitely "covering up" here.

If Google has it, I will repost what NT said on SED.


.... Phil

I see you're being more idiot than I expected.