Toshiba TV29C90 problem; Image fades to black...

Here is an update:

Using a "lo-pwr ohms" (low voltage) B&K meter, I measured about 5.5
ohms across the bank of 2200/6.3 caps numbers C146, C147, C148, etc. Note:
This reading is not caused by charging. I switched to "hi-pwr ohms" and the
reading dropped to 4.4 ohms. Note: 412mV measured (via a DMM) across B&K
meter probes during "hi-pwr" ohms reading.

It is possible that one or more of these caps is the cause of this low
ohms reading (not normal). There are about 9 or 10 caps in parallel.
MORE UPDATE:

I failed to mention that there is no sound (beeps, etc.) when I turn on
the power. Also, I removed the CPU to do some of the tests.

Using an external variable power supply (with current meter) connected
across this bank of 2200UF 6.3V caps in parallel (with proper polarity), at
2 volts, less than 250ma. It looks as though this problem has nothing to
do with a "shorted" cap/s.

Again, Thanks in advance, John
 
<SNIP>
Many Dell Pentium 4 motherboards contain bad Nichicon brand capacitors because Nichicon goofed up the production of models HM(M) and HN(M) from about 2002-2004. The date codes are in the form LYYMM, where L is a letter, YY = last 2 digits of the year, and MM = week of the year. So H0324 means the year 2003, week #24. 4-5 of those capacitors are 1500uF, 6.3V, 10mm diameter and located around the DIMM sockets and AGP socket. Behind the CPU are about ten 1800uF, 6.3V, 8mm caps and another 3-4 1800uF, 16V, 10mm caps on the other side of the MOSFET heatsink. Those may be Rubycon brand (big "K" stamped in the tops) model MBZ or MCZ instead of Nichicon (big "+" stamped into tops). The Rubycons were never defective, but TheCapKing.com says the Pentium4 was so power hungry that even those caps can go bad in 5 years. Most caps in motherboards can't be tested with an ESR meter except by unsoldering them because so many are in parallel.

Some people replace conventional wet electrolytic caps with dry solid polymer caps, which are more durable in heat. Here's some information about doing that:

http://www.badcaps.net/forum/showthread.php?t=4969&highlight=gx-270

BadCaps.net not only has a great deal of information but also sells high quality caps.

Be careful about counterfeit caps. DealExtreme has sold them, some being pretty obvious fakes (Teapo brans substituted from Sanyo or Nichicon), and apparently only one Ebay dealer sells only genuine caps:

http://stores.ebay.com/PC-MotherBoard-Capacitors-Store
Hi Larry,

Thank you very much for this very useful information.

Fortunately I have other computers so I am in no rush to fix it.

John
 
Hi,

UPDATE:

Sure enough, I have found several electrolytic capacitors (tested out of
circuit) which include every one of the eight 2200UF 6.3V (next to each other
and connected in parallel). As for the brand on these bad (2200/6.3) caps, I
can see what looks like "2DIVDK" and there is a "M" in a circle on another
part of the cap.

There were no bulges in any cap, but a loss of capacitance such as
measured via a digital cap tester showing around 1500uf for these 2200/6.3
caps. Often an increase in ESR can cause a lower cap reading on this tester.
My ESR meter is not useful on large capacity caps.

I will have to order replacements, but since I have other good working
computers, I am in no hurry.

Thanks again to everyone for your replies, John
 
On Fri, 22 Feb 2013 17:02:05 +0000, Danny D. wrote:

UPDATE:
I'm finding more and more uses for the phosphoric acid you guys suggested!
http://www4.picturepush.com/photo/a/12362092/img/12362092.jpg

After ten minutes, I see that buttery white stuff again.
http://www5.picturepush.com/photo/a/12362093/img/12362093.jpg

The unknown white lard 'seems' to be where the rust was heaviest.
 
In sci.electronics.repair Danny D. <danny@pleasedontemail.com> wrote:
On Fri, 22 Feb 2013 17:02:05 +0000, Danny D. wrote:

UPDATE:
I'm finding more and more uses for the phosphoric acid you guys suggested!
http://www4.picturepush.com/photo/a/12362092/img/12362092.jpg

After ten minutes, I see that buttery white stuff again.
http://www5.picturepush.com/photo/a/12362093/img/12362093.jpg

The unknown white lard 'seems' to be where the rust was heaviest.
the white crud is from letting the pink slime dry. you have to really
scrub it off, then it's gone for good.
 
"Danny D." <danny@pleasedontemail.com> wrote:
On Fri, 22 Feb 2013 17:02:05 +0000, Danny D. wrote:

UPDATE:
I'm finding more and more uses for the phosphoric acid you guys suggested!
http://www4.picturepush.com/photo/a/12362092/img/12362092.jpg

After ten minutes, I see that buttery white stuff again.
http://www5.picturepush.com/photo/a/12362093/img/12362093.jpg

The unknown white lard 'seems' to be where the rust was heaviest.
When I used to do my aluminum wheels, the navel jelly would dry to a
whitish finish. I then hosed it off.

Greg
 
On Fri, 08 Mar 2013 00:38:34 +0000, gregz wrote:

the navel jelly would dry to a whitish finish
Thanks for explaining what it is.
I wasn't sure - but it kept showing up.
It looked and felt like lard.

Now I know ... it's naval jelly dried up.

Thanks!
Danny in the Santa Cruz Mountains
 
gregz <zekor@comcast.net> wrote:
"Danny D." <danny@pleasedontemail.com> wrote:
On Fri, 22 Feb 2013 17:02:05 +0000, Danny D. wrote:

UPDATE:
I'm finding more and more uses for the phosphoric acid you guys suggested!
http://www4.picturepush.com/photo/a/12362092/img/12362092.jpg

After ten minutes, I see that buttery white stuff again.
http://www5.picturepush.com/photo/a/12362093/img/12362093.jpg

The unknown white lard 'seems' to be where the rust was heaviest.

When I used to do my aluminum wheels, the navel jelly would dry to a
whitish finish. I then hosed it off.

from a bottle of the loctite naval jelly:

"do not use on aluminum."

"If left on too long (hardens), apply more Naval jelly rust dissolver to
remove"

I'm still not sure what the white crud itself is- maybe the goo that keeps
the stuff slimy?
 
In article <khgqog$25f$3@reader2.panix.com>,
Cydrome Leader <presence@MUNGEpanix.com> wrote:

I'm still not sure what the white crud itself is- maybe the goo that keeps
the stuff slimy?
Naval Jelly and similar are about 1/3 phosphoric acid, dissolved in
water, with a percent or so of thickener (the N.J. MSDS says
"polysaccharide, proprietary" - might be something like a xanthan
gum?).

Phosphoric acid itself is a white / crystalline solid at room
temperature, melting to a viscous liquid at roughly body temperature.

Considering the concentrations involved, I'd guess that the "white
crud" or "lard" is mostly phosphoric acid, left behind when the water
evaporated. You could be seeing the polysaccharide gelling agent as
well but there isn't all that much of it by volume.

Try warming the crudded object gently to somewhat above body
temperature... if the crud turns to a clear liquid, this would suggest
that it's the phosphoric acid.

--
Dave Platt <dplatt@radagast.org> AE6EO
Friends of Jade Warrior home page: http://www.radagast.org/jade-warrior
I do _not_ wish to receive unsolicited commercial email, and I will
boycott any company which has the gall to send me such ads!
 
Cydrome Leader <presence@MUNGEpanix.com> wrote:
gregz <zekor@comcast.net> wrote:
"Danny D." <danny@pleasedontemail.com> wrote:
On Fri, 22 Feb 2013 17:02:05 +0000, Danny D. wrote:

UPDATE:
I'm finding more and more uses for the phosphoric acid you guys suggested!
http://www4.picturepush.com/photo/a/12362092/img/12362092.jpg

After ten minutes, I see that buttery white stuff again.
http://www5.picturepush.com/photo/a/12362093/img/12362093.jpg

The unknown white lard 'seems' to be where the rust was heaviest.

When I used to do my aluminum wheels, the navel jelly would dry to a
whitish finish. I then hosed it off.


from a bottle of the loctite naval jelly:

"do not use on aluminum."

"If left on too long (hardens), apply more Naval jelly rust dissolver to
remove"

I'm still not sure what the white crud itself is- maybe the goo that keeps
the stuff slimy?
The naval aluminum jelly, is the same product, with reduced concentration.
I like speed of regular.

Greg
 
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Here's all about you, shit stink:

Capt.Neal@gmail.com

Neal D. Warren/Wilbur Hubbard/Gregory Hall
PO Box 1015
Tavernier, FL 33070
305 304-7546
 
Don't be fooled by Hall.. His name is Warren:

http://newsgroups.derkeiler.com/Archive/Rec/rec.boats.cruising/2010-02/msg00249.html

Capt.Neal@gmail.com

Neal D. Warren/Wilbur Hubbard/Gregory Hall
PO Box 1015
Tavernier, FL 33070
305 304-7546
 
Anonymous wrote:

Don't be fooled by Hall.. His name is Warren:

http://newsgroups.derkeiler.com/Archive/Rec/rec.boats.cruising/2010-02/msg00249.html

Capt.Neal@gmail.com

Neal D. Warren/Wilbur Hubbard/Gregory Hall
PO Box 1015
Tavernier, FL 33070
305 304-7546
Ok, I was fooled, I thought it was "King Tut"

Jamie
 
That would be the king of shit.

Capt.Neal@gmail.com

Neal D. Warren/Wilbur Hubbard/Gregory Hall
PO Box 1015
Tavernier, FL 33070
305 304-7546
 
That would be the king of shit.

Capt.Neal@gmail.com

Neal D. Warren/Wilbur Hubbard/Gregory Hall
PO Box 1015
Tavernier, FL 33070
305 304-7546
 
That would be the king of shit.

Capt.Neal@gmail.com

Neal D. Warren/Wilbur Hubbard/Gregory Hall
PO Box 1015
Tavernier, FL 33070
305 304-7546
 
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