Toshiba TV29C90 problem; Image fades to black...

[Kai Robinson]

Hey there! I did exactly as you said - and lo and behold - CLEAR PICTURE!!!
from a monitor from a Skip!! The quality is amazing - and it was such a
small adjustment - theres loads of range left in it as well - although i'll
order a spare flyback just in case - where did you get yours from? Cheers!!

Kai


in article slrnbggqu9.lm.u1061771156@csi.com, u1061771156 at
u1061771156@csi.com wrote on 7/6/03 8:34 pm:

In article <BB2D0BF7.8B98%kai.robinson@tiscali.fr>, Kai Robinson wrote:
Hello there

Just got this monitor from a scrapheap, for free. Nice monitor, although,
when its cold - everything is green, literally, awash with green, for about
5 minutes, and then the colour settles down. This i dont mind so much. What
i do mind though, is that no matter what resolution i use, the picture is
slightly out of focus - pictures are fine - but text can be a little furry,
and difficult to read....

I'm a dab hand with a soldering iron, having been subjected to GCSE
electronics, and i'm not afraid to open CRT casings - have dealt with iMacs
before and i know the discharge procedure

Thanks for any information you can provide, and Schematics would also be a
great help. Cheers!

Kai

I'm writing this at a Dell D1028LR that I've repaired twice so far...
for both of your faults!

The green is probably a bad soldered joint on the PCB that mounts on the
base of the tube. This is particularly likely if slapping the side of
the monitor make it better (or worse). You need to remove that PCB from
the tube base (2 plastic straps to undo first) then unsolder the screening
metalwork to get at the PCB itself to fix the soldering. You can trace the
circuit from the "G" pin on the crt socket and redo any joint that looks
even slightly suspicious.

The bad focus is, I think, a sign of trouble. If you search Google on
the model number you will find a long history of flyback transformer
failures that cause focus to drift, eventually far enough that the
controls can't fix it and even to where it arcs over inside the
crt socket (spark gap). You may get a bit more life out of yours by
adjusting the focus controls (top 2 controls on flyback transformer
for H and V focus.) Once the control gets to the end of the scale and
you still can't fix it, you need a new transformer. They were available
when I last replaced one for someone else, a year or so ago. For my own
one I partially dismantled the flyback and re-epoxied it, and so far
so good (about 18 month of daily use since), but this is not recommended
except for the excessively determined...!

Use a well insulated screwdriver to adjust the focus controls.

I only have a partial manually-traced schematic which covers the area
around the flyback transformer.

Best Regards,
Mike.

 

[Bill Jr]

How can you expect a servicer to give you a warranty that by your definition
would exceed the original warranty offered by the manufacturer?
Most shops will offer a 30 day labor warranty with 90 days for the parts.
The parts supplier (Sony in this case) will cover the parts portion of that
warranty for the parts installed. The servicer will normally give the set a
few days "burn in" time to ensure the reliability of the repair, if he is
allowed the time frame to work with and you don't get impatient about
getting the set returned to you.

You should also consider that the example you give for a computer you once
had that had problems all its life can be compared to this TV.
They aren't even closely related. That computer had its own set of problems,
from poor design (maybe), poor quality control during manufacturing (most
likely) and then add the heat factor to it.

Your TV experienced a one time failure. Something that is correctable
without replacing the entire set. You should be able to expect that the TV
will have a normal life expectancy once a proper repair is done.

Try to have a little more faith in the fact that there are a lot of
competent service people out there that do actually know what they are
doing, and without the use of a crystal ball.

I hope it all goes better than you expect. I'm fairly sure it will.

Good Luck,
Bill Jr




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Sam Goldwasser <sam@saul.cis.upenn.edu> wrote:


Could you realistically expect more? There's no way to test the rest of
the set without the power supply. It doesn't imply anything.

No I couldn't. However when I voiced my concern that after this I
could experience future issues (I've had long-term lingering issues
from heat damage in computer systems) he said no it doesn't work that
way. Once he fixes it there would be no further problems.

Crystal balling the future doesn't inspire confidence. If someone told
me they were gong to cover any issues in the next year or two that
would inspire confidence.
DiGiTAL_ViNYL (no email)

 

[David]

Sounds like he is not really fixing the sets or knows what he is doing.
Full tuner alignment can take as little as 15 minutes and is easy to do.
With the Chipper Checker interface and a custom outboard socket for the
eeprom the old eeprom can typically be read and the tuner values read out.
HOWEVER, any time the tuner grounds were enough to cause an eeprom in the
first place, ALL the eeprom data values are suspect and I usually just do a
full chassis alignment in way for best tv set performance. Takes about 45
minutes MAXIMUM to do all the alignments.

David

daveem Dave M <daveem@webtv.net> wrote in message
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RCA EPROM QUESTION?
Thanks for all the info. I'm not sure how one can down load the settings
from the last chip, but that could sure come in handy. Those tuner
settings take forever to align. but some people claim you can just
follow their pre-determined settings and it will be close enough, or buy
a pre-programed Eprom. My friend claims he just put them all at 31 and
that does the job.
Dave



Group: sci.electronics.repair Date: Wed, Jul 9, 2003, 10:31am From:
daveem@webtv.net (daveem Dave M)
Hi all,
I was just wondering if any one here knows the general difference
between the various Eproms RCA and GE use in their television sets? I
know a tech who regularly replaces Eproms with RCA part numbers that
don't match the original part, and he said that some of the Eprom chips
are interchangeable, but I hate to gamble on this. Any help would be
appreciated. Thanks,
Dave

 

[Bill Jr]

Rich,
I've got 3 or 4 Deskjet 612's that you can have for parts if you want them.
They all work, but I don't have the power supply for them.

Cheers,
Bill Jr



"Rich" <rkoziol@lycos.com> wrote in message
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"Dave Widgery" wrote in

If the thread got carried away, it was primarily due to the wording
of the
original post, whether intentional or not and I suspect written
while you
angry at both yourself for making such a stupid mistake (I have also
made
them in the past) and HP for not incorporating a simple component
that would
have stopped you doing any damage

Yes to both. I'm the OP.

the post also came over as a direct attack on HP for not having the
foresight that you might make this mistake, therefore it was their
fault

You read it as an attack on HP. I call it an "actual example on
hand". I listed a specific model, for a good reason.

I had no other devices to use as examples for that specific question.
That was the whole purpose of posting it here, where people do open
cases with warning labels on them They also have the knowledge,
and I was hoping brand impartiality, to comment on what they see these
days.

you also went on to say that you would not even consider replacing
it with another HP because of this, even though the chances are that
an Epson or Lexmark may well have the same problem.

Yes, this part was gratuitous and should not have been posted. It
ended up being the unintended focus of the thread for some responders.
I evaluate every product on its own merits, the best way I can, and do
not hold "forever" grudges )

Rich

 

[Jim Yanik]

"Peter Gottlieb" <178048316@icq.net> wrote in
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Duh, what do you *think* he wants to use it for?


"Sofie" <sofie@olypen.com> wrote in message
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What are you planning to use it for?
Just wondering..... thanks!!
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"Steve and Stef" <slnixon@earthlink.net> wrote in message
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Just wondering.... thanks!!

Ka band;probably photo radar traps.

--
Jim Yanik,NRA member
remove null to contact me

 

[Jim Yanik]

"Peter Gottlieb" <178048316@icq.net> wrote in
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"Robotron Tom" <usa1@nospamiei.net> wrote in message
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"Peter Gottlieb" <178048316@icq.net> started a controversy when he
said in news:A8gPa.5886$hY1.1502284@news4.srv.hcvlny.cv.net:

Hey...what about a jammer for all known radar guns???
Just wondering.


Before I traveled a few thousand feet above the highways (at several
times the speed limit) I always wanted a jammer that would be
triggered by a sensitive detector and run for 2 or 3 seconds at low
power using FM noise modulation. That way, you would be protected
from instant-on and you would have a little time to slow down before
they could get a good reading on you.

My concern is local roads and SUVs. I was driving along a
straightaway which had one of those "Your speed is:" signs and was
getting it to read exactly 30 so I could calibrate my speedometer.
Suddenly, the indication jumped to 47. I looked around, and WAY down
the road behind me was this SUV approaching. The radar picked him up
even though he was quite a bit further down the road. Now, some cop
is going to see the first vehicle approaching and figure it is the
violator. In this case, had there had been a speed trap, I would have
gotten the ticket instead of the SUV which was speeding.

Supposedly,the operator is 'trained' to differentiate the two targets.
I actually had an officer who stopped me (when I was doing 50 in a 35
zone),only issue a verbal warning and stated that there was a 2nd vehicle
in the measurement zone.That was a long time ago.
In practice,I doubt this would happen now.I sure would not count on it.

--
Jim Yanik,NRA member
remove null to contact me

 

[Steven Warga]

Karel wrote:

Hello all,

I do have a Harmon KArdon AVR 18 RDS, that doesnot remember his settings
after it is switched from the mains.

I did have a look inside, but expect it is some kind of eeprom or something
that doesnot work.

Any-one with a part of the scematics, or a resolution ;-))))

k.regards

Karel Jansen

Look on front panel circuit board for memory capacitor usually 1mfd 5.5volt
black and square.

Steve
New Jersey

 

[Peter Gottlieb]

"Jim Yanik" <jyanik@nullkua.net> wrote in message
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Supposedly,the operator is 'trained' to differentiate the two targets.
I actually had an officer who stopped me (when I was doing 50 in a 35
zone),only issue a verbal warning and stated that there was a 2nd vehicle
in the measurement zone.That was a long time ago.
In practice,I doubt this would happen now.I sure would not count on it.

I was considering developing a "radar" that would eliminate most of the
current problems but never achieved the activation energy necessary to get
off my lazy butt. Did the theory parts though.

 

[KILOWATT]

Hi Sam. Nice to have some knowledgeable people here!

But assuming you have the zeners backwards, that circuit
is actually a constant current source[...]
Ok Sam i've double-checked and the diodes are not shown

backwards on the schematic,they're really oriented this way.
I've tested two of them with about 30mA of current flowing through
them to be shure they where indeed 6.2V zeners (C6V2 is shown
on their casing) and...they are. In fact i got a reading of 6.4V with
the 30mA current.

Not a complicated circuit but the more i think of it, the more i'm asking
myself the utility of this "regulator". Even if the diodes conduct @ 6.2V,
the voltage should rise then at least near 12.4V before they conduct. I asked my
friend to fire-up his ASUS pc Probe program today, without using anything
nor running any programs...and asked him to check the voltages. The 12V
portion indicated 12.11V. This isn't close to 12,4V at wich the zener diodes
would conduct and then play their role in the regulator.I tested many pc power
supplies in and out of computers since almost two years...and never seen the 12V
portion going higher than 12.2~12.3V. So the only reason i can see yet to introduce
such "regulator" between the 12V and the expensive blue leds, no matter if it would
be for current or voltage limit, is probably just to protect them in case where the
12V because excessively higher.

That's what i figured yet in the past hours...i can't see any other reasons,unless
someone have a better explanation to offer. I contacted Addison electronics
here in Montreal and they do have 5mm blue leds... 1.75$ (X 4) wich is not
a bad price for someone who love modded computer cases!

Thanks a lot also to you Jeff for the description of
how you managed to connect your blue leds in series.
--
Alain(alias:Kilowatt)
Montréal Québec
PS: 1000 excuses for errors or omissions,
i'm a "pure" french canadian!
Come to visit me at: http://kilowatt.camarades.com
(If replying also by e-mail, remove
"no spam" from the adress.)

 

[David]

If you really did call Sony and have them send the call to a Sony Select
servicer, the technician probably has a minimum of 5 years training plus 5
years experience working on large electronics.
Plus replacing boards in a Sony set that is board replaceable is a far cry
from doing any kind of mechanical work by a grease monkey that maybe
completed a 6 week trade school certificate. Unless they are trying to use
something like a hammer to force the new board back into the set.

As to the future problems, I should have included from this incident.
Your set has a 1 in 5 chance over five years of normal use of having an
ordinary failure, that is simply ordinary statistical failure for
electronics at that complicated level. The expected picture tube life if
you watch it like most people is 8 years, around 20,000 hours of use; a bit
longer if you turned down the contrast and brightness to proper levels.

Your apparant perception of parts from yutz knows where, is totally wrong.
Boards for newer sets can ONLY be ordered from the manufacture of the set.
They are almost always simple plug in boards with explicit instructions for
performing the service mode alignments in the service manual if any are
needed.

Almost sounds like you live on the east coast from your attitude.
I have only had bad experiences dealing with retailers and servicers while I
was visiting the east coast area.
You almost never see Heraldo investigations of electronics servicers in the
Midwest. They go to areas that have lots of less than honest or qualified
people trying to scam a buck, Washington DC, Boston, New Jersey, etc.
Word of mouth travels pretty fast in the Midwest and those types of places
are forced out of business in a hurry.


DigitalVinyl <reader@internet.com> wrote in message
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"David" <dkuhajda@locl.net.spam> wrote:

You should have virtually no chance of any future problems, especially if
they can replace the power supply board with a new one from Sony.
Well I guess I'll have to ask for proof that they used new parts and
not refurbished parts.

Sony sets use a switch mode power supply that has tons of protection
built
in. In fact many techs have a difficult time with the XBR Sony sets for
that very reason, in the past it was difficult to know which protect
circuit
was causing the problem.

Usually 220volts on a modern SMPS only damage a very small number of
components. They are designed to be within normal operating range
between
90 and 150 volts at a minimum, many are dual system capable 90 volts
through
260v AC.

The only exception is if the set was turned on and running and he lifted
the
nuetral line while the 220v was applied.
The TV wasn't on but they are always on a little (mmeory, clock,
infrared). 4 out of 5 pieces of equipment that was fried was "off" at
the time.

Oddly enough the 2 guys doing the work were taking too long. after not
having power for six+ hours a "foreman" came back on site and expected
them to be finished by that time. They started turning the power on
but the homeowner noted one guy was still banging the copper
rods(grounds?) into the ground outside and the power was on. He
assumes the ground wasn't connected at that point.

There could be further damage in
the set and the SONY authorized SELECT servicer should have no trouble
identifying that.
I'm hoping lots is damaged or the picture tube is shot. I would trust
a new tv from a factory but a refurbished one that has been yutzed
with but god knows who, with parts from god knows where, is not what I
paid for. Everytime you bring something in for maintenance or repair
it is an opportunity for a different problem to be introduced. Anyone
who's expereinced NOT having a reliable mechanic knows that.

David
THanks.

DigitalVinyl <reader@internet.com> wrote in message
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I have a high end Sony XBR HDTV. An electrician's employee fried it
when working on replaceing the panels. We think they sent 220v through
two different circuits. A fan, vcr, dvd, two light bulbs, and a surge
suppressor protecting computer equipment were all fried.

The TV was the big ticket item ($2,000+ to replace), it was only 11
months old and has worked flawlessly.

The repair guy assured me once the "broken" boards are replaced it
will be fine. I have no faith that when the TV repair guy is done that
I will have a "good as new" tv. I fully expect the TV to fail within
the next few years or suffer from other issues. If the voltage got
past the power board I don't see how they could know if it caused
subtle damge to the components or picture tube that could shorten its
life.

We've all dealt with lemons. Once something needs repairing, a
lifetime of repair can follow. I thought I scored a good one that
would last 10-20 years. Now I will have a refurbished TV.

Am i way off base here--from a TV-electronics view? I don't want to
be contacting this electrician and arguing whether future problems are
a result of this incident?

I really want them to replace it with a brand new one.

I've dealt with heat damaged high-end computers that have taken up to
two years to detect all the subtle damage to circuitry. The servers
were flaky and constantly replacing components. Two years after the
initial damage the manufacturer found tiny cracks and leakage in
circuit boards.

DiGiTAL_ViNYL (no email)


DiGiTAL_ViNYL (no email)

 

[Swizzle]

All of these Gamecubes are customer returns to a major electronics chain. So
it's assumed that a lot will have a failed component of some sort. I've had
a lot of luck fixing Microsoft Xbox's with basic electronics skills (and
Playstation/Playstation 2). So I assumed I would be able to easily find the
problem. However, I've found that Nintendo systems have practically no
repair information available on the net to help me get started.

So far I've been swapping components from one system to another to get as
many working as possible. However, I would like to become more efficient in
switching only the exact component that has failed (instead of an entire
laser assembly) or hopefully repair the item by buying a part from a
distributor. While this is a hobby business I'm using it to cover the costs
for college so I could use better profit margins with increased tuition this
year

Bill

"Rufus V. Smith" <nospam@nospam.net> wrote in message
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"Swizzle" <kenyon@returnwarehouse.com> wrote in message
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We recently purchased a lot of Nintendo Gamecubes and a lot are giving
us
disc read errors. The system will boot up, disc spins, and the laser
moves
and then the Gamecube will either say that there is no disc in the
machine,
or that the disc can not be read. Does anyone have any suggestions or
information on this problem? I've already cleaned the lense so it's not
just dust.

Bill

Was this an eBay-type "lot" of Gamecubes. Is this perhaps why they were
on sale? I think you've got an alignment problem or electronic problem.

Are you equipped to handle electronic issues or are you armed with just
a screwdriver and a package of lense cloths?

I've never opened one, but if possible (connectorized) I'd be inclined to
do the "field-service swap" and swap "known good" components until
it worked. Then you'd know what works and what doesn't. If you can't
repair them all, maybe you can mix and match parts to cobble together
good units out of several bad ones.

Rufus





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[David]

Not only that but the alignment checks are all automatic.
To verify the optical pickup on these requires being a Nintendo authorized
servicer with the special test disc and the computer interface with the
proprietary Nintendo software.

In otherwords, his choice is to ship the units off to Nintendo and pay them
for the repairs.
Seems they had a lot of bad optical pickups on these as well.

LASERandDVDfan <laseranddvdfan@aol.com> wrote in message
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Are you equipped to handle electronic issues or are you armed with just
a screwdriver and a package of lense cloths?

He will not be able to disassemble any of his Gamecubes. All Gamecube
consoles
use security screws with the outer housing which require a special bit to
unfasten. These are available for sale from many reputable service supply
sources, though. - Reinhart

 

[Swizzle]

I've got all the tools and equipment I should need to repair the consoles. I
would just like some help on where to start looking for the probelms. Back
in the day I had a friend who worked for FuncoLand in the refurbishing
department. So I was able to get packets explaining how to diagnose problems
with the older video game systems. However, that company no longer exists
and I haven't been able to find a friendly tech at Gamestop or Best Buy who
will share that information

Bill

"LASERandDVDfan" <laseranddvdfan@aol.com> wrote in message
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Are you equipped to handle electronic issues or are you armed with just
a screwdriver and a package of lense cloths?

He will not be able to disassemble any of his Gamecubes. All Gamecube
consoles
use security screws with the outer housing which require a special bit to
unfasten. These are available for sale from many reputable service supply
sources, though. - Reinhart

 

[ShrikeBack]

"R. Steve Walz" <rstevew@armory.com> wrote in message news:<3F0B9B35.7696@armory.com>...

Carlos Antunes wrote:

"R. Steve Walz" <rstevew@armory.com> wrote in message
news:3F0B83C0.6033@armory.com...

If you'd actually read anything about Determinism, you'd discover
that QM/Uncertainty has absolutely nothing to do with it.


Bullshit! Determinism is simply an approximation to reality when macroscopic
systems are involved.
----------------------------
You're blowing it out your ass with your handwaving.

No matter what the scale, you cannot show that cause and effect is
not operant.

There is something that we can show, and that is that the assumption
that all events are ultimately predictable is false. We can show
this through the same mechanism that Godel's Incompleteness Theorem,
and the Halting Theorem use, that is to say, through the Liar's
Paradox.

In fact, the Halting Theorem itself is enough to prove that some
outcomes are, in principle, unpredictable. The conclusion of the
Halting Theorem is that no algorithm can be constructed which will
determine whether or not a given computer program with a given
input will halt, or run indefinitely.

Therefore, it is impossible to predict every outcome.

There is also the problem of the First Cause. If you don't
assume that the past is infinite, you are stuck admitting
that there was one of these, and a First Cause is by definition
uncaused. If one uncaused event is allowed into your ontology,
how can you disallow the possibility of others?

The fact that reality is and always will be such that it has only one
outcome
at any moment in one life at a time, which is the ONLY way reality
occurs, is what makes Determinism absolutely unquestionable.

Well, prove that reality is and always will be such that it has
only one outcome at any moment in one life at a time.

Bullshit! The fact that there is only one outcome doesn't mean others
weren't possible.
--------------------
Possible is totally meaningless if THEY didn't occur.
If they did not, then they were obviously IMPOSSIBLE!

This is begging the question. You are assuming that determinism
is true when you say this.

Every single moment and event is the reuslt of cause and effect, no matter
what the rules are.


Bullshit! Cause and effect cannot even be extracted from Newtonian
mechanics. It needs to be added ad hoc.
-------------------------
This is genuine absurdity on your part. Cause and effect is physics.

Cause and effect can only be universalized as an article of faith.

And the more you say bullshit the more we can see you have nothing
you can really say!!

What are you trying to say here?

We don't have Free Will because it would make existence impossible
and chaotic, with no continuity or cause and effect.

The simple fact that several different outcomes are possible, even if only
one is ultimately experienced, negates this conclusion of yours.
-------------------
Possible is strictly a hypothetical, and strictly based on our
awareness of our ignorance and inability to predict due to OUR
failure to know all circumstances, and NOT any failure of cause
and effect!!

It is already demonstrated that the ability to predict everything
is logically impossible. Thus any conclusion you draw about the
universality of cause and effect, and their one-to-one relationship
is a matter of faith.

Go read
something about quantum mechanics to get a clue.

Carlos Antunes
---------------------
I think my degrees in physics mean that I did, dipstick!

The problem is that this question is not a scientific one, but
a philosophical one.

 

[BigMike]

"R. Steve Walz" <rstevew@armory.com> wrote in message
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BigMike wrote:

There are many situations where science cannot help people. These people
should not be left without any options, which is the case many times.
People
who have a life threatening form of cancer which is not responding to
medical treatment, many times will turn to alternatives, and who can
blame
them. If your going to die, why not try whatever you feel might help in
some
way. Depression is the same thing. If the medical profession cannot help
you, which many times is the case, especially when dealing with the
human
mind, then instead of waiting for the situation to get so far out of
hand
that it destroys lives, it's time to try other alternatives. The idea
of
selfhelp will power helping people overcome self-induced depression is
hardly a new one, but it is shunned to a degree, by professionals in
the
mental health field.
----------------------
That's because it doesn't work. The way to change people so that they
are more likely to feel better is to modify their responses, which
involves having an effect on them by what YOU do to them, not tell
them to do it themselves. If they could, they WOULD! We can change each
other, BUT we cannot change ourselves, because we ARE ourselves!

Who we are, is subject to change.

Since science beleives that everything is based around cause and
effect,
they always want to know the cause of the depression. That's where the
problems start for many people seeking help with depression.
--------------------------
Depression lifts when you find the cause and give them good orgasms.
If you try to talk them out of feeling bad without fucking them, you're
merely being dishonest.

You sound sexually frustrated Steve. Maybe that's you problem

Concidering the
complexity of the human mind, science fails many times when trying to
find
this "cause" and often mistakes the wrong events as the "cause".
------------------------
That's because western psychology is usually very stupid, puritan,
and useless compared to a good sex partner, or even just a friend
who halfway cares about you.

huh?

I have
learned from my own experiences that when dealing with depression,
finding
the "cause" can be far less important than finding help for the problem.
The
reason is that self-induced depression can be more a result of not
wanting
to deal with events in life, then the actual events themselves.
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And if people could treat themselves for it, they WOULD! This MEANS
that they can't, since they don't and then talk about it on Usenet!

Most people do not chat on Usenet Steve. Unlike us, they actually have a
life

Because of
my own past experiences with depression, I beleive there is not an
actual
cure for it, but rather methods that can be learned to control it.
Whether
we like it or not, we all have to deal with negative events in our
lives.
Learning how to deal with these events, past, present, and future, is
paramount in beating depression. Masking the events is not always the
best
approach, and can often lead to far more serious problems.

Nobody should have to suffer and not be allowed alternatives
treatments
for any medical or mental condition, simply because science does not
approve
of them.
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Science, when applied by westerners to personal problems, isn't
as good as a good fuck.
-Steve

Your all class, Steve. LOL

 

[Max Harding VK3JIN]

"ToasterKing" <toasterking@SPLATbigfoot.com> wrote in message
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In article <bdua86$br1$1@pheidippides.axion.bt.co.uk>, snoopy
snoopy@bt.com> wrote:

The problem is the laptop alway got power cut off suddently for 1 year.
Several days ago, the fan got stop ratating after the laptop running
only 15
mins. Any suggestion on this problem?

Umm... could you be more descriptive? Please try to expand upon the
"alway got power cut off suddently for 1 year" idea; I'm not sure what
that means.

Anybody knows a good place where I can bring my laptop to repair in
Ipswich
area? Someone recommends PCworld beside TESCO in Ipswich. Is that good?
Which route of bus I take to there?
Many thanks

Could you tell us where Ipswitch is?
there is an Ipwsitch in Australia.is this the one???????
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[Kevin Aylward]

N. Thornton wrote:

Hi Kevin.

I think this should clear up some things.




All one need do is collect the data:
1. realise this is an effective way to learn successful methods
2. attract the people
3. assess the claimed results
4. Apply statistics to discover what is actually working.

Then we will know what works.

But you can't apply meaningful statistics to back of the envelope
studies.

I'm not suggesting a back of envelope study. The data already exists,
and only needs collecting and assessing. The individuals have mostly
been assessed sufficiently within the medical system to know they have
found a real result. Applying statistics to such collected data does
indeed reveal a clear pattern. Lets give you an example.

method A 3 positive results out of 112 attempts
method B 30,000 positive results out of 50,000 attempts
method C 71 positive results out of 400 attempts
method D 4 positive results out of 6 attempts
method E 60 positive results out of 900 attempts

Very simple stuff, it shows clearly which method should be researched
in more depth, and which one might warrant more data collection. This
elementary statistics can indeed be applied.

Correlations by themselves have little value. Correlations have to be
shown to be *causative*. Its why the tobacco industry could claim that
the was no proof that smoking causes cancer. I agree that you can use
this as a starting point for further investigations, but by themselves
have little value.

One needs controlled studies, double-blind tests etc...
etc....Anything else is, in reality pretty much useless.

This is a standard misperception of our time.

Not at all. This has evolved precisely because it was recognised that
the prior methods had seriously failings.

Collecting the info I
propose would indeed show who has recoverd from what and how, and it
will show up any substantial trends. Such data is not 100% reliable,
but 75% reliability is more than enough of a basis on which to do a
more thorough study on a method. I'll explain this more further down.

One has no real idea how reliable it is at all. There are too many
places where the results could be totally meaningless.

lots of
doctors and nurses have come across the odd one who achieved a
remarkable result with their condition.

Which could have been luck, i.e. nothing to do with any purported
cure,
just fixed itself on its own. Happens all the time.

Of course. But when you get the data and find tens of thousands of
results from a particular method, way above the luck level with all
other approaches, that is statistically significant data, not just
luck. That is what we're looking for.

I agree, if you see strong correlations, then this should warrant
further study.

Yet the NHS is failing to
collate and assess such data, and study known successes to learn more
techniques it can apply.

One offs are not success.

So if you have a condition and you find a way to successfully treat
it, and have used the treatment lets say 10 times in your life, and it
has resulted in rapid favourable outcomes each time, you're saying
that's not a success? It is by definition a success.

Thats not what I'm saying. I meant one off by not working on all
individuals, only a few individuals.

For example, my twin brother suffered with severe eczema for around 25
years, from birth. Continually scratching. It was horrendous. His skin
was a mess. Nothing helped. His life was utter misery from it. One day
he decided to go completely vegan, that's is no animal products
whatsoever. After around 3 months, he noticed that he was no longer
scratching. He was cured, and has been ok now for the last 20 years. On
occasions he has inadvertently taken animal products, in all cases he
now has a severe allergic reaction confirming that food was the problem.

So, this method worked for him, will it for others?

This can
*only* come about by controlled trials. This is really a no-brainier.

That's what you've been taught, and I understand why. In reality you
dont need controlled trials to get 75% confidence.

This makes no sense. Without controlled experiments you have no idea
what you've got. Its 101 science.

You can get that by
pooling multiple results of uncontrolled trials. You'll never get
100%, but with some things you can get enough confidence to warrant
doing a more in depth investigation.

The data could all be Swiss cheese. The literature is filled with
erroneous "studies".

Now, tell me, was the treatment oral magnesium suphate discovered by
double blind controlled trials? I think not.

Ho hum...

Yet it works, and was
discovered to work.

You can pick any one off the cuff example you like, but it means nothing
to the principle of doing good science.

Obviously it is not only controlled trials that
can produce useful data, you only have to understand statistics to see
that, rather than believe what you're taught blindly.

You doing that condescending one-upmanship again. The scientific method
is not something one learns "blindly". This is exactly what the method
is designed to eliminate. Its a process to ensure that what you think
you have, is what you have. When peoples welfare is at stake, its even
more relevant then in the inanimate sciences.

There are very good reasons why dbc trials are generally insisted on,
but to discount _all_ others is an (understandable) mistake... I could
get into all that in much more depth, but its a whole thread on its
own.

I don't discount non controlled studies out of hand. If they indicate
significant promise, than that is an argument to do the studies
correctly.

Instead the NHS refuses to learn what it
doesn't know.

Confirmation of claimed cures involve large amounts of money.

The system already has that data. Its on peoples medical records.
Those people have already been assessed by their docs/specialists and
found to be better. It costs little.

Doubt it somehow. Things usually mushroom out of hand. There is simply
too many claimed cures to pursue any. Waiting lists are way over a year
for many treatments in the UK NHS.

What does need changing is a specific form is required for this, to
make this data clear and mass-harvestable.

Oh dear...another form...I don't think that you have really thought this
through.

At the moment sometimes the
relevant info is written on the records, sometimes its not, and almost
never is it reported to anyone who could make use of it.


The system don't have it.

Wrong again.
1. It takes no fortune to run a small data collection point and issue
the forms.

I don't agree. Its extra staff. Every expenditure requires good support
for it.

2. It is actually a very cost effective way to do research to find new
treatments, much more so than paying for drugs that cost billions to
develop. The system does have the money to pay for that, it just needs
to allocate a little of that money more wisely.

But you cant determine what will actually pay out in the end. You
assuming that you choose correctly in what your studying. Most won't pan
out. Its the way life works. There are 1000's of different medical
conditions that all need cured, selecting one, e.g. such as depression,
is a choice that not many will take.

When the survey results achieve a successful treatment, it will start
to save the system money. It is simply better value than billion pound
drugs.

Arguable, depression is a non issue for the NHS. They can simply send
depressed people away. Maybe it costs society money in the long run, but
that will have little impact on NHS policy.

Its like a river bed, among all the dirt there is gold
and diamonds, and those valuable things are simply not being made
any
use of.

I think you bit out on this one.

I know, but I'll wait until I see you've comprehended the idea before
taking on board such judgements. I hope from this reply you will be a
bit clearer on the concept I propose. Only when you have got what I'm
actually proposing will you be in a position to make a genuinely
informed judgement. So far that has not been possible - think about
that. Soon or now it will be.

You proposal is really a dreaming proposal. Nice idea, but will never
work. It don't take into account the way real life works. Every one is
competing for limited resources, with there own pet agendas. I don't
think you understand just what it takes to get an organisation to go and
spend money, especially one like the NHS.

The risks of doing something wrong simply does not allow for this
approach.

That doesnt stop todays researchers. Research projects get it wrong
all the time, its expected, its OK.

I did not suggest this. Its the people that implement/recommend the cure
that has the liability. If something goes wrong, people get sued. Its
that simple.

One only has two say the words "law" "sue" to put most people in the
picture.

No, you've just missed it. Cite me a case of a researcher being sued
for honestly producing data that turns out to not pan out long term.
Its an erroneous criticism.

No, you missed it. Why would you think I was referring to the data
collectors?

With what I'm proposing it is clear upfront to all that some of the
leads this generates will pan out and some wont. There wont be any
surprises or broken promises when something's found not to work later,
we know that will happen.

Unfortunately, only a few % will pan out. its the way its always been.

I'm thinking you'll be rather clearer by now on just what I'm
proposing.

Indeed. Wishful dreaming...

Kevin Aylward
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[James Sweet]

Vertical deflection circuit failure, if you're decent at soldering and know
your way around the inside of a TV set it may be as simple as a cracked
solder joint, but the vertical out chip could be blown. Either way it's a
relatively cheap fix for a shop. As others have said DO NOT run it like this
or you'll burn a line into the screen that can't be fixed.

"verzub" <verzub@nospam.net> wrote in message
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I have a Toshiba TV made in '91 and the whole image is squished into one
horizontal line. Does anyone know what I could do?

 

[Andre]

"Michael A. Covington" <Michael@CovingtonInnovations.com> wrote in message news:<59CcnfSdOK-UuJOiXTWJig@speedfactory.net>...

"Michael Floyd" <michael.floyd@3web.net> wrote in message
news:3f0d92d8.154251131@news.3web.net...
By your own admission you stated "For the most part, they hold some
charge, but they don't perform as intended." If you know they are not
performing as expected, don't waste your time worrying about testing
them - just replace them if you want a reliable UPS. If the UPS units
have multiple batteries, replace all of them at the same time.

The key words are, "For the most part." Some of the UPSes may have other
things wrong. That's why I want to test the batteries rather than just
replace them.

August issue of Electronics World has a nice automated lead acid
cycler . Supposedly if you charge and discharge them several times in
the correct way (gel cells) they may recover their low internal
resistance .

-Andre

Other trick . Compare the internal resistance of the gel cell with a
new battery from the same manufacturer . If they are significantly
different then try charge cycling . (Note - this requires exact
control , ovedrdischarging can cause permanent damage) I have tried
this on NiMH as well and it often works .

I have also tried (as a last resort) discharging lead acid to zero,
reverse charging (off a solar cell),discharging again then charging
again the right way round . This tends to work best where the cell is
really, really flat (like, down to <8V) .
Don't try it on a "good" (>12V) cell , this is where you use charge
cycling .
Make sure to MARK the cell so you don't use it on something by mistake
when it has the terminals reversed . (Fizzle POP)


www.sunnythings.com (Yes we sell new batteries )

 

[James Sweet]

The tech said VCRs aren't worth repairing. Since my $279 VCR is 9
years old I have no idea what they are going to do. A similar
replacement would be $60-80 plus tax.

Could be as simple as a fuse that blew in the VCR. I think you're really
making a much bigger deal about this than it is, this sort of thing happens
all the time, the damage is generally very minor and localized to the power
supply. The biggest losses are things like clock radios and cordless phones
that may use custom wound power transformers with internal fuses, but those
too can usually be saved with a wall wart type power transformer.