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[John Navas]

On Tue, 30 Dec 2008 09:00:39 +1100, Franc Zabkar
<fzabkar@iinternode.on.net> wrote in
<blhil41ma2cl6t499i0r4v98ggdr0fk9gl@4ax.com>:

On Mon, 29 Dec 2008 13:50:03 -0800, John Navas
spamfilter1@navasgroup.com> put finger to keyboard and composed:

On Tue, 30 Dec 2008 08:21:49 +1100, Franc Zabkar
fzabkar@iinternode.on.net> wrote in
r7fil4p2afcuic3faii7k2499o619hlc40@4ax.com>:

On Mon, 29 Dec 2008 12:54:22 -0800, John Navas
spamfilter1@navasgroup.com> put finger to keyboard and composed:

On Tue, 30 Dec 2008 07:47:27 +1100, Franc Zabkar
fzabkar@iinternode.on.net> wrote in
sndil41vf6uebeqnv3rnck436mmdvp6gj7@4ax.com>:

On Mon, 29 Dec 2008 11:41:18 -0800, John Navas
spamfilter1@navasgroup.com> put finger to keyboard and composed:

Sorry, but that's your leap of faith, not what the spec says.

Please explain, with references to the actual text.

No thanks, Franc, I've long since learned that arguing with you is a
total waste of time.

Ah, it's the same old John Navas. [childish goading deleted]

And the same old Franc, ranting the same old childish goading.

Such is life.

I see no evidence that you're anything other than a deskbound
specification junkie suffering from delusions of grandeur.

Here at sci.electronics.repair there are real technicians who
understand which end of a soldering iron is hot. We also understand
integrated circuits, ie those square and rectangular plastic thingies
with lots of shiny pins.

If you can refute the work of the people at pinouts.ru, people who
presumably are technicians themselves, then here is your golden
opportunity to do so. What resistance or voltage do *you* measure on
the ID pin of a Motorola RAZR charger?

You have now had the last word.
Can you resist the temptation to add something else?
Enquiring minds want to know.

--
Very best wishes for the holiday season and for the coming new year,
John

 

[SMS]

Franc Zabkar wrote:

Ah, it's the same old John Navas. When you having nothing to say, say
it as convincingly as possible. If you say it often enough, at least
*some* people will believe you.

Highly unlikely that anyone will believe him. He has such a long history
that anytime he starts up someone points out that he has no idea what
he's talking about.

 

[Franc Zabkar]

On Mon, 29 Dec 2008 14:29:28 -0800, SMS <scharf.steven@geemail.com>
put finger to keyboard and composed:

Franc Zabkar wrote:

Ah, it's the same old John Navas. When you having nothing to say, say
it as convincingly as possible. If you say it often enough, at least
*some* people will believe you.

Highly unlikely that anyone will believe him. He has such a long history
that anytime he starts up someone points out that he has no idea what
he's talking about.

What bugs me is that anyone with an iota of technical competence can
in a matter of minutes determine the connectivity of a mini-USB cable
or a USB charger using only a $10 multimeter.

- Franc Zabkar
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[nospam]

In article <oac6l.47$%54.39@nlpi070.nbdc.sbc.com>, SMS
<scharf.steven@geemail.com> wrote:

Highly unlikely that anyone will believe him. He has such a long history
that anytime he starts up someone points out that he has no idea what
he's talking about.

nobody else would be like that, right?

 

[SMS]

Franc Zabkar wrote:

On Mon, 29 Dec 2008 14:29:28 -0800, SMS <scharf.steven@geemail.com
put finger to keyboard and composed:

Franc Zabkar wrote:

Ah, it's the same old John Navas. When you having nothing to say, say
it as convincingly as possible. If you say it often enough, at least
*some* people will believe you.
Highly unlikely that anyone will believe him. He has such a long history
that anytime he starts up someone points out that he has no idea what
he's talking about.

What bugs me is that anyone with an iota of technical competence can
in a matter of minutes determine the connectivity of a mini-USB cable
or a USB charger using only a $10 multimeter.

You're wrong. You can often buy digital multimeters for less than $2 at
Harbor Freight. I bought ten of them at $3 each for an enrichment day
science presentation that I did at my son's school on Ohm's law
(something that a few people in this newsgroup would have benefited
from, judging from a recent thread on batteries where several people,
including Navas, demonstrated their lack of understanding of the
difference between current, power, and energy).

 

[John Navas]

On Wed, 31 Dec 2008 14:06:17 -0800, SMS <scharf.steven@geemail.com>
wrote in <n_R6l.281$FM6.223@flpi143.ffdc.sbc.com>:

You're wrong. You can often buy digital multimeters for less than $2 at
Harbor Freight. I bought ten of them at $3 each for an enrichment day
science presentation that I did at my son's school on Ohm's law
(something that a few people in this newsgroup would have benefited
from, judging from a recent thread on batteries where several people,
including Navas, demonstrated their lack of understanding of the
difference between current, power, and energy).

Always the insult. How childish.

--
Best regards,
John <http:/navasgroup.com>

"Never argue with an idiot. He'll drag you down to his level
and then beat you with experience." -Dr. Alan Zimmerman

 

[nospam]

In article <n_R6l.281$FM6.223@flpi143.ffdc.sbc.com>, SMS
<scharf.steven@geemail.com> wrote:

What bugs me is that anyone with an iota of technical competence can
in a matter of minutes determine the connectivity of a mini-USB cable
or a USB charger using only a $10 multimeter.

You're wrong. You can often buy digital multimeters for less than $2 at
Harbor Freight.

only if there's a harbor freight store nearby and if it's on sale.
that's not going to be the case for most people.

 

[John Navas]

On Wed, 31 Dec 2008 15:37:54 -0800, nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> wrote
in <311220081537545225%nospam@nospam.invalid>:

In article <n_R6l.281$FM6.223@flpi143.ffdc.sbc.com>, SMS
scharf.steven@geemail.com> wrote:

What bugs me is that anyone with an iota of technical competence can
in a matter of minutes determine the connectivity of a mini-USB cable
or a USB charger using only a $10 multimeter.

You're wrong. You can often buy digital multimeters for less than $2 at
Harbor Freight.

only if there's a harbor freight store nearby and if it's on sale.
that's not going to be the case for most people.

Not to mention the quality issue. There are some good things at HF, but
there's also a good deal of cheap crap.

--
Very best wishes for the holiday season and for the coming new year,
John

 

[Michael A. Terrell]

nospam wrote:

In article <n_R6l.281$FM6.223@flpi143.ffdc.sbc.com>, SMS
scharf.steven@geemail.com> wrote:

What bugs me is that anyone with an iota of technical competence can
in a matter of minutes determine the connectivity of a mini-USB cable
or a USB charger using only a $10 multimeter.

You're wrong. You can often buy digital multimeters for less than $2 at
Harbor Freight.

only if there's a harbor freight store nearby and if it's on sale.
that's not going to be the case for most people.

They do mail order as well.


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[Michael A. Terrell]

John Navas wrote:

On Wed, 31 Dec 2008 15:37:54 -0800, nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> wrote
in <311220081537545225%nospam@nospam.invalid>:

In article <n_R6l.281$FM6.223@flpi143.ffdc.sbc.com>, SMS
scharf.steven@geemail.com> wrote:

What bugs me is that anyone with an iota of technical competence can
in a matter of minutes determine the connectivity of a mini-USB cable
or a USB charger using only a $10 multimeter.

You're wrong. You can often buy digital multimeters for less than $2 at
Harbor Freight.

only if there's a harbor freight store nearby and if it's on sale.
that's not going to be the case for most people.

Not to mention the quality issue. There are some good things at HF, but
there's also a good deal of cheap crap.

Have you actually tested any of them, or are you just spitting out
more crap? Is your lab standard reference NIST traceable, and currently
certified, or are you just blowing more smoke? Do you have any idea
just how cheap .1% resistors are in OEM quantities? Or that the HF
meters use the same basic IC that the more expensive meters like Fluke
use? A lot of people on the electronics newsgroups have compared them
to expensive meters, and they are an excellent value.


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[John Navas]

On Wed, 31 Dec 2008 22:58:21 -0500, "Michael A. Terrell"
<mike.terrell@earthlink.net> wrote in
<UMidnUIsVMXAosHUnZ2dnUVZ_t_inZ2d@earthlink.com>:

John Navas wrote:

Not to mention the quality issue. There are some good things at HF, but
there's also a good deal of cheap crap.

Have you actually tested any of them, or are you just spitting out
more crap? ...

Do you always fly off the handle like a dipwad? Sheesh. I was just
talking about HF in general, not that item in particular.

--
Very best wishes for the holiday season and for the coming new year,
John

 

[Franc Zabkar]

On Wed, 31 Dec 2008 22:58:21 -0500, "Michael A. Terrell"
<mike.terrell@earthlink.net> put finger to keyboard and composed:

John Navas wrote:

On Wed, 31 Dec 2008 15:37:54 -0800, nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> wrote
in <311220081537545225%nospam@nospam.invalid>:

In article <n_R6l.281$FM6.223@flpi143.ffdc.sbc.com>, SMS
scharf.steven@geemail.com> wrote:

What bugs me is that anyone with an iota of technical competence can
in a matter of minutes determine the connectivity of a mini-USB cable
or a USB charger using only a $10 multimeter.

You're wrong. You can often buy digital multimeters for less than $2 at
Harbor Freight.

only if there's a harbor freight store nearby and if it's on sale.
that's not going to be the case for most people.

Not to mention the quality issue. There are some good things at HF, but
there's also a good deal of cheap crap.


Have you actually tested any of them, or are you just spitting out
more crap? Is your lab standard reference NIST traceable, and currently
certified, or are you just blowing more smoke? Do you have any idea
just how cheap .1% resistors are in OEM quantities? Or that the HF
meters use the same basic IC that the more expensive meters like Fluke
use? A lot of people on the electronics newsgroups have compared them
to expensive meters, and they are an excellent value.

Maybe this will give you an insight into John Navas's business model:
http://modemfaq.navasgroup.com/faq_f.htm#BestOfBest

After many years watching comp.dcom.modems, I saw no evidence that
John Navas tested any dialup modem on anything other than his own POTS
line(s). In fact he often expressed his disdain for the testing
standards and methodologies of others, many of whom used industry
standard telecoms simulators. Such is the arrogance of the man.

- Franc Zabkar
--
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[Michael A. Terrell]

Franc Zabkar wrote:

On Wed, 31 Dec 2008 22:58:21 -0500, "Michael A. Terrell"
mike.terrell@earthlink.net> put finger to keyboard and composed:


John Navas wrote:

On Wed, 31 Dec 2008 15:37:54 -0800, nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> wrote
in <311220081537545225%nospam@nospam.invalid>:

In article <n_R6l.281$FM6.223@flpi143.ffdc.sbc.com>, SMS
scharf.steven@geemail.com> wrote:

What bugs me is that anyone with an iota of technical competence can
in a matter of minutes determine the connectivity of a mini-USB cable
or a USB charger using only a $10 multimeter.

You're wrong. You can often buy digital multimeters for less than $2 at
Harbor Freight.

only if there's a harbor freight store nearby and if it's on sale.
that's not going to be the case for most people.

Not to mention the quality issue. There are some good things at HF, but
there's also a good deal of cheap crap.


Have you actually tested any of them, or are you just spitting out
more crap? Is your lab standard reference NIST traceable, and currently
certified, or are you just blowing more smoke? Do you have any idea
just how cheap .1% resistors are in OEM quantities? Or that the HF
meters use the same basic IC that the more expensive meters like Fluke
use? A lot of people on the electronics newsgroups have compared them
to expensive meters, and they are an excellent value.

Maybe this will give you an insight into John Navas's business model:
http://modemfaq.navasgroup.com/faq_f.htm#BestOfBest

After many years watching comp.dcom.modems, I saw no evidence that
John Navas tested any dialup modem on anything other than his own POTS
line(s). In fact he often expressed his disdain for the testing
standards and methodologies of others, many of whom used industry
standard telecoms simulators. Such is the arrogance of the man.

I've seen his type before. Say 'Have a nice day', and they throw a
hissy fit. Let him choke on his own bile.


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[John Navas]

On Thu, 01 Jan 2009 16:53:42 +1100, Franc Zabkar
<fzabkar@iinternode.on.net> wrote in
<4qlol4pfj4drj4vhbnbpm1fskn10kunq39@4ax.com>:

After many years watching comp.dcom.modems, I saw no evidence that
John Navas tested any dialup modem on anything other than his own POTS
line(s). In fact he often expressed his disdain for the testing
standards and methodologies of others, many of whom used industry
standard telecoms simulators. Such is the arrogance of the man.

'Those who have evidence will present their evidence,
whereas those who do not have evidence will attack the man.'

--
Very best wishes for the holiday season and for the coming new year,
John

 

[Chris Malcolm]

In rec.photo.digital Michael A. Terrell <mike.terrell@earthlink.net> wrote:

John Navas wrote:

On Wed, 31 Dec 2008 15:37:54 -0800, nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> wrote
in <311220081537545225%nospam@nospam.invalid>:

In article <n_R6l.281$FM6.223@flpi143.ffdc.sbc.com>, SMS
scharf.steven@geemail.com> wrote:

What bugs me is that anyone with an iota of technical competence can
in a matter of minutes determine the connectivity of a mini-USB cable
or a USB charger using only a $10 multimeter.

You're wrong. You can often buy digital multimeters for less than $2 at
Harbor Freight.

only if there's a harbor freight store nearby and if it's on sale.
that's not going to be the case for most people.

Not to mention the quality issue. There are some good things at HF, but
there's also a good deal of cheap crap.

Have you actually tested any of them, or are you just spitting out
more crap? Is your lab standard reference NIST traceable, and currently
certified, or are you just blowing more smoke? Do you have any idea
just how cheap .1% resistors are in OEM quantities? Or that the HF
meters use the same basic IC that the more expensive meters like Fluke
use? A lot of people on the electronics newsgroups have compared them
to expensive meters, and they are an excellent value.

What's more, for the specific purpose of checking out USB connectivity
and charging you don't even need a good meter, a crap one is perfectly
adequate.

--
Chris Malcolm

 

[nospam]

In article <GI6dndON8f2qo8HUnZ2dnUVZ_h-dnZ2d@earthlink.com>, Michael A.
Terrell <mike.terrell@earthlink.net> wrote:

What bugs me is that anyone with an iota of technical competence can
in a matter of minutes determine the connectivity of a mini-USB cable
or a USB charger using only a $10 multimeter.

You're wrong. You can often buy digital multimeters for less than $2 at
Harbor Freight.

only if there's a harbor freight store nearby and if it's on sale.
that's not going to be the case for most people.

They do mail order as well.

but then there are shipping charges, bringing it closer to $10. and
it's actually a $3 meter, not $2.

 

[nospam]

In article <1jgol4dq721e5klbp5f3s6r0msv609tqgi@4ax.com>, John Navas
<spamfilter1@navasgroup.com> wrote:

Do you always fly off the handle like a dipwad?

with that insult you concede the debate.

'Those who have evidence will present their evidence,
whereas those who do not have evidence will attack the man.'

 

[John Navas]

On Thu, 01 Jan 2009 18:22:11 -0800, nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> wrote
in <010120091822116661%nospam@nospam.invalid>:

In article <1jgol4dq721e5klbp5f3s6r0msv609tqgi@4ax.com>, John Navas
spamfilter1@navasgroup.com> wrote:

Do you always fly off the handle like a dipwad?

with that insult you concede the debate.

'Those who have evidence will present their evidence,
whereas those who do not have evidence will attack the man.'

Nice try, but that was just a question, a serious one.

--
Very best wishes for the holiday season and for the coming new year,
John

 

[Michael A. Terrell]

nospam wrote:

In article <GI6dndON8f2qo8HUnZ2dnUVZ_h-dnZ2d@earthlink.com>, Michael A.
Terrell <mike.terrell@earthlink.net> wrote:

What bugs me is that anyone with an iota of technical competence can
in a matter of minutes determine the connectivity of a mini-USB cable
or a USB charger using only a $10 multimeter.

You're wrong. You can often buy digital multimeters for less than $2 at
Harbor Freight.

only if there's a harbor freight store nearby and if it's on sale.
that's not going to be the case for most people.

They do mail order as well.

but then there are shipping charges, bringing it closer to $10. and
it's actually a $3 meter, not $2.

The gas to drive across town to their store isn't free, either so
what's your point?


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[Michael A. Terrell]

Chris Malcolm wrote:

In rec.photo.digital Michael A. Terrell <mike.terrell@earthlink.net> wrote:

What's more, for the specific purpose of checking out USB connectivity
and charging you don't even need a good meter, a crap one is perfectly
adequate.

Using even a crappy meter is more than some people can understand, as
well.

Sometimes you need to monitor a half dozen voltages or currents at
once. I'd love to do that with lab grade HP meters, each with a IEEE-488
interface, but they are over $2k each.

Some people actually do electronics, while others separate fly shit
from pepper. It isn't difficult to figure ot which category people are
in. I have about a dozen digital meters. The Fluke bench meters are
unrepairable, but the cheap HF meters keep working. Several other
meters are used, for the extended ranges, or special functions.

Fifty years ago he would have claimed that the $20 Heathkit VTVM
wasn't as good as the RCA VoltOhmist. that was closer to $100 even
though the circuits were almost identical.


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