The Truth about Corona Virus Situation and what every person

On Sat, 21 Mar 2020 22:19:47 -0700 (PDT), whit3rd <whit3rd@gmail.com>
wrote:

On Saturday, March 21, 2020 at 8:50:16 PM UTC-7, DecadentLinux...@decadence.org wrote:

I hope you contract it and then suffer from it, and then suffer some
more from it while...

Ill-wishes and bland "we're on top of the issue" pronouncements are equally
ineffective responses to this communicable disease (or any other).

Wash your hands. And, then your mouth.

He is getting meaner, nastier, and crazier.



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[Rick C]

On Sunday, March 22, 2020 at 8:52:37 AM UTC-4, mpm wrote:

On Saturday, March 21, 2020 at 11:47:49 PM UTC-4, Rick C wrote:

We are in the early stages of a total melt down. I hoping not, but your guns may well come into play. Then you will finally be right about something.

I take a longer view.
We (this country) got through four years of the Civil War; I think we'll get through this coronavirus thing OK.

I don't understand the comparison to the Civil war. That was one of the very worst times in the country. The idea is not to just have humanity survive, but to not suffer horribly. So no, a Civil War like scenario is not acceptable if it can be prevented and that's the point. It can be prevented.


> I also think the coronavirus solution requires cooperation from the citizenry. Come down "too hard", and you're likely to lose that, in which case all efforts would be doomed. I think that's why you're not seeing a strong presence of federal troops in NYC enforcing a 24-hour, locked down curfew. I don't agree with him often, but Gov. Cuomo is right: The panic that would ensue would be worse than the disease.

Pure BS. California is not panicking. There's no need for federal "troops". NY has police departments.

That said, if cases continue to spiral (as I think you are correctly predicting they will), maybe we will see troops in the streets of NYC. Won't be pretty...!

As for guns, you have a fundamental misunderstanding of why I choose to exercise my 2nd Amendment rights. But let's move on from that..

Anyone exercising their 2nd Amendment rights vs. authorities is usually removed from the gene pool.

My boss at work (of all people!) got me aside on Thursday and asked me about various handguns he's researching for purchase. To me, he's become the poster-child for people who are of the mind to get armed during periods of uncertainty. Previously, I would have considered him "middle-of-the-road", at best, when it comes to gun rights. His son, who also now wants to get armed, was heretofore dead set against gun rights. (But his son smokes pot recreationally, so he's in for a rude awakening when he tries to buy a gun..)

I'm just mentioning it because it came out of left field. I totally did not see that coming, but it might mean there is some hope for many folks who have been drinking the anti-2A Kool-Aid a bit too long. But, to each his own.

Lastly: (as you make know...) There's been a run on gun and ammo purchases. All the local and online store are out, running super-low inventory, or only have the oddball or very expensive stuff left.

Even I am shocked by how quick that response has been. (Paper towels, hand sanitizer, and ammo.) We're looking at hundreds of thousands of new, first-time gun owners. It's really amazing.

Yup, the sort of gun owner who is the opposite of the law abiding, carry permit holders you talk about. This is not a step in the right direction. People buying guns out of fear is in no way an improvement in this country. I didn't hear you mention anything about training.

Wrong thread for this conversation, so I won't split the thread further.

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[Whoey Louie]

On Saturday, March 21, 2020 at 11:45:19 PM UTC-4, DecadentLinux...@decadence.org wrote:

Whoey Louie <trader4@optonline.net> wrote in
news:88a80f26-aa8c-4923-8a2a-fd7d4dd2fbb7@googlegroups.com:

You can't excise the whole party,

Every senator whom took the oath and then denied it would face
prison in my redress. Several congress men and women as well.

But you aren't going to be the one to redress it, nor will any
other Republicans.


ALL
> republicans.

That includes you.


They made their bed. It was criminal in nature. They

should not get a pass for that. I do not expect a total self imposed
retard like you to understand.

Oh, I understand, that's why I left the party. You on the other hand
are still enabling. If the GOP saw 10%, 15% of the party cancel their
voter registration as a Republican, they would be in panic and acting
differently.

90% think Trump is doing a
fantastic job, stupid.

You were told, stupid. Your numbers are off. Since you were told
just above in the post, you are *REALLY STUPID*.

"President Trump’s approval rating has hit a record high among his supporters in the latest Hill-HarrisX poll released on Monday.

Of those surveyed, 90 percent of Republicans said they approve of Trump’s job performance, compared to just 10 percent who did not have a favorable view of the president. That is the highest favorable rating among Republicans in the Hill-HarrisX poll since it began asking the question in 2018."

And you're part of it, the cult of Trump.

Well, a face to face would have you eating through a straw for at
least 8 months afterward, if you lived at all. Only because your
retarded brain threw that stupid shit up. You have been speaking
praise of Trump and his behavior. You are TrumpTainted, PUTZ! And
you saying that I am for Trump means that you would shake hands with
a nice, fast moving hunk of lead as our introduction. I'd give your
face a nice high five right out of the clip.

HOAD

Typical defeated again, the threats of violence begin.

 

[Whoey Louie]

On Saturday, March 21, 2020 at 11:47:49 PM UTC-4, Rick C wrote:

On Saturday, March 21, 2020 at 11:22:31 PM UTC-4, mpm wrote:
On Saturday, March 21, 2020 at 11:11:00 PM UTC-4, Rick C wrote:
It is so sad that we made a mistake almost four years ago and we are paying the price now.

You mean, the mistake of letting "crooked" Hillary run?

I'm just messin' with you Rick.

I know you probably don't want to hear it, but you might need to get used to another four years. I just don't see Bernie or Biden winning.

Yes, just one of many things you can't see.

I'm just messin' with you.


And I also don't think it's fair to pin Coronavirus on one person, no matter who it is. Maybe someone else could govern better, but I strongly suspect there are MANY MORE politicians out there who would do a whole lot WORSE job - both Dem and Rep. (Dick Cheney comes to mind, even a younger Jimmy Carter.)

No one is blaming anyone for the coronavirus (unless you believe it was made in a Chinese or US lab).

China should be blamed. They allowed those wet markets with bats, pangolians,
God only knows what to operate and spread disease, even after knowing that
MERS, SARS, Ebola, etc came via that route.




I blame many offices in the various US government for the expected outcome which will prove to have been largely preventable.

Seems the world isn't doing any better. If anything right now the US
infection rate is way better than places like Europe, with their
socialized medicine and leftist govts.

What others may or may not have done is irrelevant. What matters is what has been and will have been done. These are literally life and death decisions and so far no one in the US is coming down hard enough on this disease.

We are in the early stages of a total melt down. I hoping not, but your guns may well come into play. Then you will finally be right about something.

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On Sun, 22 Mar 2020 13:37:06 +0100, David Brown
<david.brown@hesbynett.no> wrote:

On 21/03/2020 05:16, Rick C wrote:
On Friday, March 20, 2020 at 11:27:46 PM UTC-4, jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
On Fri, 20 Mar 2020 18:30:17 -0700, Jeff Liebermann <jeffl@cruzio.com
wrote:

On Fri, 20 Mar 2020 06:52:55 -0700, jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com
wrote:
If you were dying from a C19 infection, and were offered these drugs
now, before proper clinical trials were published and meta-analyzed,
would you take them?

There's a fairly good chance that he would be dead:
http://archive.vn/zC30G
The drug touted by the U.S. President Donald Trump as a
possible line of treatment against the coronavirus comes
with severe warnings in China and can kill in dosages
as little as two grams.
China, where the deadly pathogen first emerged in December,
recommended the decades-old malaria drug chloroquine
to treat infected patients in guidelines issued in February
after seeing encouraging results in clinical trials.
But within days, it cautioned doctors and health officials
about the drug’s lethal side effects and rolled back
its usage. This came after local media reported that
a Wuhan Institute of Virology study found that the drug
can kill an adult just dosed at twice the daily amount
recommended for treatment, which is one gram.

This drug has been used sucessfully for decades, against several
illnesses. I don't recommend that anyone take a lethal overdose of any
drug.

So what is the right dose for COVID-19?


This is a very important point - and one that is being missed regularly
by news reports, as well as the ignorant numpties (that includes Trump
and Larkin). Fortunately, it doesn't include doctors and medial
authorities who are mostly a lot more conservative and careful.

Chloroquine has been shown to be effective in vitro - in a testtube, or
glass plate. It is very common that drugs or chemicals are found to be
effective in vitro - but the step from there to a real medical treatment
is long, and usually impossible. You don't have to look far to see
internet articles on vitamins that "cure" HIV, or spices that "cure"
cancer. But if you look at the numbers to figure out what doses you
need to get the levels used in the in vitro tests, you have to eat
kilograms of the spice or tons of carrots per day.

Chloroquine is relatively safe in the doses used for malaria and certain
auto-immune diseases. Whether it is safe in the doses needed to be
effective for corona is a very different question. (One to which I do
not know the answer.)

The dosage for rheumatoid arthritus is 250 mg per day. Long term it
can cause recoverable retina problems, but saving a C19 case shouldn't
require long term use.

Malaria prevention dosage is hundreds of mg per week.

https://aac.asm.org/content/53/8/3416

The 5 mg/kg dose would be around 300 mg per day for an adult.


Amazing that one drug derived from a tree bark would be effective
against so many different human illnesses. Maybe even more we don't
know about.

Apparently it's good for cramps too.





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[Whoey Louie]

On Saturday, March 21, 2020 at 11:11:00 PM UTC-4, Rick C wrote:

On Saturday, March 21, 2020 at 10:33:10 PM UTC-4, Whoey Louie wrote:
On Saturday, March 21, 2020 at 10:16:55 PM UTC-4, Bill Sloman wrote:

It give him more exposure. The people who are blind to his obvious faults get reminded that he exists.

If his incompetence ends up killing loads of American, even people as dim as John Larkin may notice.

China contained the infection at 81,054 cases and 3,261 deaths.

Italy is starting to slow down the rate of infection, but they've got 53,578 cases and 4825 deaths, and if the number of cases levels off it's unlikely to do it below 100,000.

That's stupid, even for you.

What does that mean??? He cites facts and then talks about where the trend is headed and you call it "stupid"??? So you don't wish to discuss any facts?

Duh? What he said is stupid because Italy has not slowed down anything.
And he is stupid, he just made a post where he claimed that in baseball
the only thing that counts are homeruns.

The US has had 27,069 cases and only 84 deaths so far, but the number of new cases is still rising on an exponential curve.

So is Italy, stupid.

The US seems to be on a faster track than most other countries. We have lately increased our rate of growth from 10x every 8-9 days to 10x every 7-8 days. Clearly our weak federal response to the situation is not helping. So we can expect to see our hospitals overwhelmed even faster than I expected.


If US infections and deaths top China's, despite having China's example as a warning and a case study in how to contain the infection, Trump is going to stuck with the responsibility - probably correctly.

That's almost a certainty at this point, at least with infections.

It is such a shame. Trump seemed like the sort of President who would have been strong in taking the lead and acting to help this situation. But he was more interested in calming the financial markets to keep the "economy" going. So instead of limiting the damage to the country, Trump has us leaning into a left hook.

It is so sad that we made a mistake almost four years ago and we are paying the price now.

Yes, the clown show isn't so funny anymore. But sadly the trumpets think
Trump is doing a fantastic job. I don't suppose you caught Meet the Depressed
with Chuck Todd this morning? He had on the head of FEMA. He essentially
asked him why we're not using the Defense Production Act powers to figure
out how much critical supplies are needed by state, what the supply rate
is, and ALLOCATING it. The answer was no plans to do that, just continue
with the cluster fuck where states order, get whatever they can while
the federal govt does the same. We really are screwed.

And I would bet that the reason Trump won't have the feds take control
is that he thinks it's a very un-Republican thing. He doesn't understand
that while free markets, the feds leaving things to the state and local
govts is a good thing in normal times, it's going to be a cluster fuck
in this crisis. It's like trying to wage WWII without overall prioritization
allocation, rationing of critical materials by the govt. Or else Trump
understands it's needed, but is afraid his trumptard base won't like it.

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[Rick C]

On Sunday, March 22, 2020 at 8:21:57 AM UTC-4, David Brown wrote:

A balance is always going to be necessary. You risk your life every
time you drive to work. But the balance has to be sensible - some
politicians seem to want do all they can to preserve the economy,
forgetting that dead or hospitalised people can't work.

Sure, balance is not something we are very good at though. Rather than evaluate risk, we tend to operate emotionally. Auto accidents are old hat and we are comfortable with the 1:10,000 annual risk (in the US anyway). Bring in a new player and all bets are off.

If it were just about the number of deaths, I'd say a balance could be found. My biggest fear is hospitals being overrun so that all medical care deteriorates. In China there were people who were quarantined in centers receiving no medical care. Zero! Zilch! Nada! If we can't avoid that there won't be an acceptable level of infection vs. the economy.

I'm sorry I ever watched Torchwood. I keep getting flashbacks.

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[mpm]

On Sunday, March 22, 2020 at 2:03:17 PM UTC-4, Rick C wrote:

> Pure BS. California is not panicking. There's no need for federal "troops". NY has police departments.

Not yet, and let's hope it stays that way. !!

That said, I'm somewhat skeptical of authorities being able to keep the peace in times of duress. (Kent State, anyone? Ferguson? - and that uprising was over absolutely nothing, it turned out. All fake, but crowds can have agendas and spawn inertia all their own.)

And while the following video is admittedly far too mild of an example to support my skepticism, I'll include it simply for the comedic effect (or sad commentary, as the case may be) on the current state of affairs.

Watch out!! Tempers are going to fly!

Link: https://videos.dailymail.co.uk/video/mol/2020/03/20/6164223033092228476/640x360_MP4_6164223033092228476.mp4

 

[Rick C]

On Sunday, March 22, 2020 at 1:51:41 PM UTC-4, Whoey Louie wrote:

On Saturday, March 21, 2020 at 11:11:00 PM UTC-4, Rick C wrote:
On Saturday, March 21, 2020 at 10:33:10 PM UTC-4, Whoey Louie wrote:
On Saturday, March 21, 2020 at 10:16:55 PM UTC-4, Bill Sloman wrote:

It give him more exposure. The people who are blind to his obvious faults get reminded that he exists.

If his incompetence ends up killing loads of American, even people as dim as John Larkin may notice.

China contained the infection at 81,054 cases and 3,261 deaths.

Italy is starting to slow down the rate of infection, but they've got 53,578 cases and 4825 deaths, and if the number of cases levels off it's unlikely to do it below 100,000.

That's stupid, even for you.

What does that mean??? He cites facts and then talks about where the trend is headed and you call it "stupid"??? So you don't wish to discuss any facts?

Duh? What he said is stupid because Italy has not slowed down anything.

The exponential rate of growth of the infection has slowed in Italy. The log curve is starting to flatten out. It just hasn't changed to fewer infected every day.

I am hopeful that the decrease in the US infection rate will continue. A one day decrease is thin evidence we are doing something right, but we'll see how it progresses.

I think Larkin enjoys saying things he doesn't believe just to rattle cages. Even Larkin isn't stupid enough to believe this disease is not going to be a big deal in the US.

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[Rick C]

On Sunday, March 22, 2020 at 1:59:21 PM UTC-4, Whoey Louie wrote:

I blame many offices in the various US government for the expected outcome which will prove to have been largely preventable.

Also the states. Clearly many states were more interested in business impacts than health impacts.

Seems the world isn't doing any better. If anything right now the US
infection rate is way better than places like Europe, with their
socialized medicine and leftist govts.

That's unsupported. Italy got a fast start on the disease and a slow response. The rest of Europe is doing about the same as the US although we have a faster rate of new infection than the others I've looked at. The UK has a 9-10 day window for 10x growth and ours has been more like 8 days, closer to 7 lately.

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[Rick C]

On Sunday, March 22, 2020 at 3:50:08 PM UTC-4, mpm wrote:

On Sunday, March 22, 2020 at 2:03:17 PM UTC-4, Rick C wrote:

Pure BS. California is not panicking. There's no need for federal "troops". NY has police departments.

Not yet, and let's hope it stays that way. !!

That said, I'm somewhat skeptical of authorities being able to keep the peace in times of duress. (Kent State, anyone? Ferguson? - and that uprising was over absolutely nothing, it turned out. All fake, but crowds can have agendas and spawn inertia all their own.)

And while the following video is admittedly far too mild of an example to support my skepticism, I'll include it simply for the comedic effect (or sad commentary, as the case may be) on the current state of affairs.

Watch out!! Tempers are going to fly!

Link: https://videos.dailymail.co.uk/video/mol/2020/03/20/6164223033092228476/640x360_MP4_6164223033092228476.mp4

Nah, won't happen. That's what all the gun sales are about, keeping people polite. Right?

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[David Brown]

On 22/03/2020 18:53, Rick C wrote:

On Sunday, March 22, 2020 at 8:21:57 AM UTC-4, David Brown wrote:

A balance is always going to be necessary. You risk your life
every time you drive to work. But the balance has to be sensible -
some politicians seem to want do all they can to preserve the
economy, forgetting that dead or hospitalised people can't work.

Sure, balance is not something we are very good at though. Rather
than evaluate risk, we tend to operate emotionally. Auto accidents
are old hat and we are comfortable with the 1:10,000 annual risk (in
the US anyway). Bring in a new player and all bets are off.

Agreed. ("We" here refers to everyone, I think. I don't know if that's
what you meant, or if you just meant Americans.)

If it were just about the number of deaths, I'd say a balance could
be found. My biggest fear is hospitals being overrun so that all
medical care deteriorates. In China there were people who were
quarantined in centers receiving no medical care. Zero! Zilch!
Nada! If we can't avoid that there won't be an acceptable level of
infection vs. the economy.

You always need a balance. Always. When there is a famine and lots of
people are dying, you still save your seedcorn - or you'll save a few
more people now and have /everyone/ die the year after.

But the balance should be very different from what some politicians seem
to want - much more on the line of lockdown to save lives.

I'm sorry I ever watched Torchwood. I keep getting flashbacks.

 

[mpm]

On Sunday, March 22, 2020 at 5:25:41 PM UTC-4, Rick C wrote:

> Nah, won't happen. That's what all the gun sales are about, keeping people polite. Right?

Actually, there's probably a lot of truth in that.

Anyway, here's a non-sequitur if ever there was one...
That video showed two MORBIDLY FAT people getting hostile at the Supermarket checkout over some Mountain Dew. (...OK, 550 cans of Mountain Dew)!

But if you ever watch the typical "gun video" on YouTube, they're all the time shooting two-liter soda bottles for effect. I guess because they fizz and foam all over the place. It's really kinda stupid when you think about it.

 

Whoey Louie <trader4@optonline.net> wrote in news:54de6a12-11b5-4180-
a676-e84ad33d35c3@googlegroups.com:

If anything right now the US
infection rate is way better than places like Europe, with their
socialized medicine and leftist govts.

Without testing, YOU DO NOT KNOW THAT, YOU FUCKING TrumpTainted PUTZ!

 

[Rick C]

On Monday, March 23, 2020 at 12:17:23 AM UTC-4, whit3rd wrote:

On Sunday, March 22, 2020 at 10:59:21 AM UTC-7, Whoey Louie wrote:

China should be blamed. They allowed those wet markets with bats, pangolians,
God only knows what to operate and spread disease...

China identified the disease first, and publicized its character, even down to
the genome, with admirable promptness and candor. There's every
reason to thank that nation, and wish them well with their internal struggle
(which seems to be competent and effective) against COVID-19.

China has been, basically, a good neighbor during these events. Be grateful.

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[whit3rd]

On Sunday, March 22, 2020 at 5:35:51 AM UTC-7, mpm wrote:

On Saturday, March 21, 2020 at 11:46:05 PM UTC-4, Bill Sloman wrote:

Their unwillingess to listen to any witnesses could be seem as irresponsible.
First, it is not the Senate's job to call new witnesses, nor is it their job to make the case - that job belongs to the House of Representatives. The Senate did consider the testimony of the witnesses the House included in their impeachment articles, and made their decision. The reason the House didn't call all of the witnesses they wanted is that they (reasonably) knew the President would invoke executive privilege, as is his right.

The first point is not well made; the Senate has the same right of subpoena as does the House.
It can be invoked for any reason.
The House DID call witnesses, who did not honor subpoenas, who might have eventually
been brought before a competent authority (probably the Supreme Court) to determine if
an 'executive privilege' were effective against an impeachment investigation.

But, no such privilege has been upheld in the past, and we have no reason to think the
privilege has any validity. Fighting the CLAIM of privilege might have occupied time, so
was deemed unproductive.

 

[whit3rd]

On Sunday, March 22, 2020 at 7:56:31 AM UTC-7, mpm wrote:

> Well, if the Ukraine is corrupt (and all signs are that it is...

Whose nonsense are you spouting? The Ukraine is a nation we are allied to, and
'all signs' is so unspecific it almost HAS to be an evasion.

The USA (as a nation) is satisfied with the integrity of Ukraine. Russia has hinted otherwise,
however.

 

[whit3rd]

On Sunday, March 22, 2020 at 10:59:21 AM UTC-7, Whoey Louie wrote:

China should be blamed. They allowed those wet markets with bats, pangolians,
God only knows what to operate and spread disease...

China identified the disease first, and publicized its character, even down to
the genome, with admirable promptness and candor. There's every
reason to thank that nation, and wish them well with their internal struggle
(which seems to be competent and effective) against COVID-19.

China has been, basically, a good neighbor during these events. Be grateful.

 

[Bill Sloman]

On Monday, March 23, 2020 at 1:56:31 AM UTC+11, mpm wrote:

On Sunday, March 22, 2020 at 9:40:47 AM UTC-4, Bill Sloman wrote:

Not perhaps as much as you'd like to think. I've never heard any suggestion that Trump had a legitimate excuse for what he did - his defense seems to be that he wasn't indulging in any kind of extortion, which isn't exactly credible.


Well, if the Ukraine is corrupt (and all signs are that it is), I still content that it is fundamentally responsible to establish whether or not American aid dollars actually end up going to the right places. Whether it was Trump or some other person/department, as a taxpayer, I want assurances that our aid dollars work as intended.

Trump's claim that he suddenly felt the urge to get Ukraine to investigate Joe and Hunter Biden, when he could have asked the FBI to do as soon as he came to power makes it entirely obvious that they didn't have anything to offer an enquiry.

Maybe, and I won't argue it.
But Trump probably has a million details to deal with. He may very well have simply latched onto the idea late in his first term. Doesn't necessarily establish that there was malice to it. (One could argue he's still doing his job?)

There was no malice involved - he simply wanted to maximise his chances of getting re-elected in 2020.

> Anyway, I'm on the side that believes the Biden's are corrupt. Maybe Trump is too, but I can't shake the notion that the whole Hunter Biden thing stinks, and Joe let it stand.

Hunter Biden served on the board of Burisma Holdings, a major Ukrainian natural gas producer, from 2014 to 2019. He might have got there on the basis of his father's job, but he stayed on after his father's term had ended - one might imagine that he could have been doing something useful.

My opinions come from common sense, and fact as we know them.

You may like to think so.

I do. Thank you for noticing.

It's not a well-founded opinion.

So trying to extort the Ukraine into throwing mud at his most likely opponent in this years election was an entirely presidential gesture? Pull the other leg.

One man's "extortion" is another man's "making sure the American aid dollars go to the right places, and for the reasons intended".

Hunter Biden wasn't directing any American aid dollars. The money was to boost the Ukraine's military defenses against the Russians.

You claim is utterly fatuous, and even you should have had enough sense to realise this. You have to be brain-dead to like Trump, but you can still get out of bed in the morning.

The Democrats would have preferred not to bother, but Trump's antics got leaked, and they didn't feel that they could get away with ignoring them.

Well, that's one way to look at it.
But then you have freshman democrats vowing to impeach Trump before they had even taken office.

They got fussed about Trump's money-laundering for the Russians, not realising that everybody else was doing it.

Why bother? Mueller has already gone into it in great detail, and indicted a bunch of Russians for their activities. They clearly intended to help Trump get elected - how effective they were is uncertain, but he won on a very narrow margin in three states where there had been a lot of pro-Trump Russian activty on social media.

Correct. Mueller indicted un-named "Russians" (Oh, watch out - the Russians are coming - it's fucking laughable, really). But note, importantly, Mueller DID NOT indict Trump. Humm..

The Russians presumably had enough sense not to involve Trump as a co-conspirator. They supported him on the grounds that he wasn't going to get in their way if he got elected. Good call, as it turned out.

43% of Americans approve of Trump's performance as president. They've got to have a below average moral sense. They may not see the Russians as any great threat, but they'd be mad to imagine that the current Russian administration is favourably disposed towards America or anybody else who isn't likely to become one of their partners in crime.

Agree, partially.
I believe the American electorate knew what they were getting with Trump, and wanted it anyway.

Some of them did - three million less than a majority - but the electoral college gave more weight to the votes of people who had less sense.

. What Trump does seem to be doing right is his keeping his half-witted supporters on-side. This isn't doing anything for the long term interests of the US, but right-wing politics does go in for short term thinking, when it thinks at all.

The election was close with Hillary, but I don't think Biden and/or Bernie have the same draw.

Trump has had four years of demonstrating that he's an incompetent creep. You may not have noticed, but others are more perceptive.

Hillary was female, which seems to have been a bigger disadvantage than it should have been, particularly amongst voters dim enough to tolerate Trump.

> Democrats may just sit this election out, and for sure the Republican base is fired up. TBD.

What's left of the Republican base. The Koch brother's astro-turfing gave the party to the Tea Party Faction, who were defective enough that they couldn't put up a more attractive candidate than Donald Trump.

You've now got a party that is entirely lunatic fringe, with the nominee they deserve. Enjoy.

--
Bill Sloman, Sydney

 

whit3rd <whit3rd@gmail.com> wrote in
news:623fc317-fd39-44f3-8032-1600d6a5e86e@googlegroups.com:

On Sunday, March 22, 2020 at 10:59:21 AM UTC-7, Whoey Louie wrote:

China should be blamed. They allowed those wet markets with
bats, pangolians, God only knows what to operate and spread
disease...

China identified the disease first, and publicized its character,
even down to the genome, with admirable promptness and candor.
There's every reason to thank that nation, and wish them well with
their internal struggle (which seems to be competent and
effective) against COVID-19.

China has been, basically, a good neighbor during these events.
Be grateful.

+1

Trump probably sent it over there. Would not put it past the
rotten bastard.

Mu mu mu mu mu mu my Corona.

But he calls it

chi chi chi chi chi chi chi Corona.