The Truth about Corona Virus Situation and what every person

[mpm]

On Tuesday, March 24, 2020 at 11:49:06 PM UTC-4, Rick C wrote:

On Tuesday, March 24, 2020 at 10:42:50 PM UTC-4, Flyguy wrote:
On Monday, March 23, 2020 at 8:06:11 PM UTC-7, mpm wrote:
On Monday, March 23, 2020 at 1:58:55 PM UTC-4, Rick C wrote:
The whole process is not supposed to be the House vs. the Senate. It is supposed to be about the House AND Senate seeking the truth.

No it's not. The Constitution says nothing of the sort.

What is being sought is a conviction on the House Articles of Impeachment, and a subsequent decision to remove the President from office, if convicted.

History will show that Trump was impeached, but not convicted, and not removed from office.

THAT is the truth.
You may not like it. I get it.

Before you pen your rebuttal, I want you to consider the hypothetical possibility of the Articles of Impeachment being totally false. The Senate convicts, and the President is removed from office. Now what?

NOTHING. IT IS DONE!!!
That's what "SOLE POWER" is all about.
Go back and read Article 1 of the Constitution.

The only "check-&-balance" on this sole power is the two-thirds vote of the Senate required for a conviction.

History will also show that Pres Trump was EXONERATED from a politically-motivated witch hunt.

I would not say he was exonerated. A number of Senators acknowledged that they thought Trump was guilty of the charges. They didn't think he should be removed from office just because he was guilty. That is a verifiable fact. I can't recall if the main Senator who talked about that was from Tenn (I believe) or Ky. But more than one talked about that aspect.

Generally, Rick is correct.

I would note that I too believe that Trump was technically guilty of the Abuse of Power charge, -- BUT -- that the charge of "Abuse of Power" does not rise to an impeachable offense. Furthermore, I believe that while perhaps guilty of the offense, Trump's actions were in the best long-term interest of the Country.

I did not believe Trump was guilty of 2nd Article of Impeachment: "Obstruction of Congress", nor do I feel that rises to the level of an impeachable either.

The House could have brought forth a stronger case if they had had more patience and deliberate consideration. But in their "rush" (Pelosi waited a month to submit the Articles), they built a flimsy case. That said, even with a stronger case, I doubt Trump would have been convicted, and very seriously doubt he would be removed from office if convicted.

The "right" play here was for the Congress (House and Senate) to censure the President -- and that, most likely, was a do-able thing. (?)

 

[Bill Sloman]

On Thursday, March 26, 2020 at 5:40:37 AM UTC+11, mpm wrote:

On Tuesday, March 24, 2020 at 11:49:06 PM UTC-4, Rick C wrote:
On Tuesday, March 24, 2020 at 10:42:50 PM UTC-4, Flyguy wrote:
On Monday, March 23, 2020 at 8:06:11 PM UTC-7, mpm wrote:
On Monday, March 23, 2020 at 1:58:55 PM UTC-4, Rick C wrote:
The whole process is not supposed to be the House vs. the Senate. It is supposed to be about the House AND Senate seeking the truth.

No it's not. The Constitution says nothing of the sort.

What is being sought is a conviction on the House Articles of Impeachment, and a subsequent decision to remove the President from office, if convicted.

History will show that Trump was impeached, but not convicted, and not removed from office.

THAT is the truth.
You may not like it. I get it.

Before you pen your rebuttal, I want you to consider the hypothetical possibility of the Articles of Impeachment being totally false. The Senate convicts, and the President is removed from office. Now what?

NOTHING. IT IS DONE!!!
That's what "SOLE POWER" is all about.
Go back and read Article 1 of the Constitution.

The only "check-&-balance" on this sole power is the two-thirds vote of the Senate required for a conviction.

History will also show that Pres Trump was EXONERATED from a politically-motivated witch hunt.

I would not say he was exonerated. A number of Senators acknowledged that they thought Trump was guilty of the charges. They didn't think he should be removed from office just because he was guilty. That is a verifiable fact. I can't recall if the main Senator who talked about that was from Tenn (I believe) or Ky. But more than one talked about that aspect.

Generally, Rick is correct.

I would note that I too believe that Trump was technically guilty of the Abuse of Power charge, -- BUT -- that the charge of "Abuse of Power" does not rise to an impeachable offense. Furthermore, I believe that while perhaps guilty of the offense, Trump's actions were in the best long-term interest of the Country.

If what the Bidens were doing was not in the best long-term interests of the country, Trump's proper reaction would have been to get the FBI to go after them.

He didn't - almost certainly because the FBI would have told him that there wasn't any offense to prosecute - but figured that if he could ge the Ukraine to say that they were starting an investigation, he'd have something that he could use when running against Joe Biden.

Your claim rests on the proposition that have Trump re-elected is in the best long-term interest of the USA. Even if it were, he isn't allowed to delay military aid to an ally to improve hois chances of getting elected.

> I did not believe Trump was guilty of 2nd Article of Impeachment: "Obstruction of Congress", nor do I feel that rises to the level of an impeachable either.

He stopped his staff giving evidence to Congress. That was obstruction.

> The House could have brought forth a stronger case if they had had more patience and deliberate consideration.

To some time in 2021, after the election Trump is cheating to try an win.

> But in their "rush" (Pelosi waited a month to submit the Articles), they built a flimsy case. That said, even with a stronger case, I doubt Trump would have been convicted, and very seriously doubt he would be removed from office if convicted.

There is a Republican majority in the Senate.

> The "right" play here was for the Congress (House and Senate) to censure the President -- and that, most likely, was a do-able thing. (?)

Why bother? Would Trump have paid any attention?

--
Bill Sloman, Sydney

 

[whit3rd]

On Wednesday, March 25, 2020 at 10:45:25 PM UTC-7, Flyguy wrote:

> LOL! The WHOLE libtard establishment thought that Trump collaborated with the Russians!!

How would you know? Thoughts are private things, quote a claim instead.

>That was the ENTIRE focus of the Mueller probe, which turned up a BIG, FAT ZERO!!!

The Mueller probe found Russian interference, and made several arrests and convictions
(including Trump campaign personnel).

> The so-called "whistle blower" WASN'T "patriotic"

How can you tell? Your guess is at odds with a majority vote of our elected
representatives, and it sure isn't informed (the whistlebolower hasn't been named).

> Trump doesn't need...

.... another four years.

 

[Flyguy]

On Tuesday, March 24, 2020 at 10:43:07 PM UTC-7, Bill Sloman wrote:

On Wednesday, March 25, 2020 at 4:18:02 PM UTC+11, Flyguy wrote:
On Tuesday, March 24, 2020 at 8:49:06 PM UTC-7, Rick C wrote:
On Tuesday, March 24, 2020 at 10:42:50 PM UTC-4, Flyguy wrote:
On Monday, March 23, 2020 at 8:06:11 PM UTC-7, mpm wrote:
On Monday, March 23, 2020 at 1:58:55 PM UTC-4, Rick C wrote:
The whole process is not supposed to be the House vs. the Senate. It is supposed to be about the House AND Senate seeking the truth.

No it's not. The Constitution says nothing of the sort.

What is being sought is a conviction on the House Articles of Impeachment, and a subsequent decision to remove the President from office, if convicted.

History will show that Trump was impeached, but not convicted, and not removed from office.

THAT is the truth.
You may not like it. I get it.

Before you pen your rebuttal, I want you to consider the hypothetical possibility of the Articles of Impeachment being totally false. The Senate convicts, and the President is removed from office. Now what?

NOTHING. IT IS DONE!!!
That's what "SOLE POWER" is all about.
Go back and read Article 1 of the Constitution.

The only "check-&-balance" on this sole power is the two-thirds vote of the Senate required for a conviction.

History will also show that Pres Trump was EXONERATED from a politically-motivated witch hunt.

I would not say he was exonerated. A number of Senators acknowledged that they thought Trump was guilty of the charges. They didn't think he should be removed from office just because he was guilty. That is a verifiable fact. I can't recall if the main Senator who talked about that was from Tenn (I believe) or Ky. But more than one talked about that aspect.

I didn't say YOU, I said HISTORY.

And since the relevant histories haven't been written yet, it is a fatuous claim.

This mess was strictly politically motivated; they have tried since DAY ONE to pin something on Trump. This included the phony Russian Collusion (which actually did occur, but it involved Shrillary).

Nobody with any sense thinks that the Russians would have been silly enough to collaborate with Trump, who is incapable of collaborating with anybody.

The claim is that the Russians put quite a bit of effort behind getting Trump elected, on the basis that he would be a hopelessly incompetent president and leave them to get on with their criminal activities without interference, as has indeed happened.

Even Pelosi didn't want to go down this path, but her hand was forced by the shrill voices of Extreme Left, which has now taken over the Dimocrat Party.

Actually it was forced by the patriotic whistle-blower in the White House who heard Trump trying to pressure the Ukranian president into slinging mud at Joe Biden - it's clear to anybody with any sense that Trump was trying to engage in extortion, and the Republican position is essentially "so what?".

It was politically motivated - Trump wanted to get mud he could sling at Joe Biden during this year's presidential campaign - but calling him out for it was more based on the idea that ignoring it would be condoning the behaviour and make the Democrats look supine.

--
Bill Sloman, Sydney

LOL! The WHOLE libtard establishment thought that Trump collaborated with the Russians!! That was the ENTIRE focus of the Mueller probe, which turned up a BIG, FAT ZERO!!!

The so-called "whistle blower" WASN'T "patriotic" - he was just another libtard operative out to get Trump. We know who he is: he has a history of this bullshit.

Trump doesn't need to get "mud" on Biden: Sleepy Joe does that ALL BY HIMSELF! His son is a dope-smoking, influence-peddling, whore-mongering, dead-beat dad. And Joe can't put two sentences together without a gaff that sold his sole to the banks. Just check out his latest interviews.

 

[Bill Sloman]

On Thursday, March 26, 2020 at 4:45:25 PM UTC+11, Flyguy wrote:

On Tuesday, March 24, 2020 at 10:43:07 PM UTC-7, Bill Sloman wrote:
On Wednesday, March 25, 2020 at 4:18:02 PM UTC+11, Flyguy wrote:
On Tuesday, March 24, 2020 at 8:49:06 PM UTC-7, Rick C wrote:
On Tuesday, March 24, 2020 at 10:42:50 PM UTC-4, Flyguy wrote:
On Monday, March 23, 2020 at 8:06:11 PM UTC-7, mpm wrote:
On Monday, March 23, 2020 at 1:58:55 PM UTC-4, Rick C wrote:

<snip>

I didn't say YOU, I said HISTORY.

And since the relevant histories haven't been written yet, it is a fatuous claim.

This mess was strictly politically motivated; they have tried since DAY ONE to pin something on Trump. This included the phony Russian Collusion (which actually did occur, but it involved Shrillary).

Nobody with any sense thinks that the Russians would have been silly enough to collaborate with Trump, who is incapable of collaborating with anybody.

The claim is that the Russians put quite a bit of effort behind getting Trump elected, on the basis that he would be a hopelessly incompetent president and leave them to get on with their criminal activities without interference, as has indeed happened.

Even Pelosi didn't want to go down this path, but her hand was forced by the shrill voices of Extreme Left, which has now taken over the Dimocrat Party.

Actually it was forced by the patriotic whistle-blower in the White House who heard Trump trying to pressure the Ukranian president into slinging mud at Joe Biden - it's clear to anybody with any sense that Trump was trying to engage in extortion, and the Republican position is essentially "so what?".

It was politically motivated - Trump wanted to get mud he could sling at Joe Biden during this year's presidential campaign - but calling him out for it was more based on the idea that ignoring it would be condoning the behaviour and make the Democrats look supine.

LOL! The WHOLE libtard establishment thought that Trump collaborated with the Russians!! That was the ENTIRE focus of the Mueller probe, which turned up a BIG, FAT ZERO!!!

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steele_dossier

did suggest that the Russians did have some dirt on Trump, and that some of his election team had unfortunately close links with Eastern Europe. There were other stories about that the time that prompted the FBI to look into those links, and the Mueller report grew out of that, and ended up prosecuting a couple of election team for those links.

I don't think that anybody sane thought that Trump would have been collaborating with the Russians - the Steel dossier did suggest that they might have enough dirt on him to influence him - which isn't collaboration.

It certainly wasn't the entire focus of the Mueller probe, which did lead to several prosecutions - so it wasn't any kind of big fat zero - and did detail the Russian Facebook interventions which certainly would have helped him to his very narrow electoral college victory.

Trump does like to emphasise that it didn't prove any collusion on his part, and goes on to claim that he was completely exonerated by it, which is not a point of view shared by Mueller.

> The so-called "whistle blower" WASN'T "patriotic" - he was just another libtard operative out to get Trump. We know who he is: he has a history of this bullshit.

That's one way of looking a the situation - right-wing nitwits do like to establish their bona fides by adopting this kind of lunatic point of view.

> Trump doesn't need to get "mud" on Biden: Sleepy Joe does that ALL BY HIMSELF! His son is a dope-smoking, influence-peddling, whore-mongering, dead-beat dad. And Joe can't put two sentences together without a gaff that sold his sole to the banks. Just check out his latest interviews.

Did you mean "sold his soul"? And Trump can't put two words together without giving the fact-checker something to complain about.

Joe Biden knows when he's got a word wrong, and corrects himself. Trump has been a barefaced liar all his life.

Whether or not Trump needs mud to sling at Joe Biden, he certainly pressured the president of the Ukraine to get it for him.

--
Bill Sloman, Sydney

 

[Flyguy]

On Thursday, March 26, 2020 at 6:51:11 AM UTC-7, Bill Sloman wrote:

On Thursday, March 26, 2020 at 4:45:25 PM UTC+11, Flyguy wrote:
On Tuesday, March 24, 2020 at 10:43:07 PM UTC-7, Bill Sloman wrote:
On Wednesday, March 25, 2020 at 4:18:02 PM UTC+11, Flyguy wrote:
On Tuesday, March 24, 2020 at 8:49:06 PM UTC-7, Rick C wrote:
On Tuesday, March 24, 2020 at 10:42:50 PM UTC-4, Flyguy wrote:
On Monday, March 23, 2020 at 8:06:11 PM UTC-7, mpm wrote:
On Monday, March 23, 2020 at 1:58:55 PM UTC-4, Rick C wrote:

snip

I didn't say YOU, I said HISTORY.

And since the relevant histories haven't been written yet, it is a fatuous claim.

This mess was strictly politically motivated; they have tried since DAY ONE to pin something on Trump. This included the phony Russian Collusion (which actually did occur, but it involved Shrillary).

Nobody with any sense thinks that the Russians would have been silly enough to collaborate with Trump, who is incapable of collaborating with anybody.

The claim is that the Russians put quite a bit of effort behind getting Trump elected, on the basis that he would be a hopelessly incompetent president and leave them to get on with their criminal activities without interference, as has indeed happened.

Even Pelosi didn't want to go down this path, but her hand was forced by the shrill voices of Extreme Left, which has now taken over the Dimocrat Party.

Actually it was forced by the patriotic whistle-blower in the White House who heard Trump trying to pressure the Ukranian president into slinging mud at Joe Biden - it's clear to anybody with any sense that Trump was trying to engage in extortion, and the Republican position is essentially "so what?".

It was politically motivated - Trump wanted to get mud he could sling at Joe Biden during this year's presidential campaign - but calling him out for it was more based on the idea that ignoring it would be condoning the behaviour and make the Democrats look supine.

LOL! The WHOLE libtard establishment thought that Trump collaborated with the Russians!! That was the ENTIRE focus of the Mueller probe, which turned up a BIG, FAT ZERO!!!

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steele_dossier

did suggest that the Russians did have some dirt on Trump, and that some of his election team had unfortunately close links with Eastern Europe. There were other stories about that the time that prompted the FBI to look into those links, and the Mueller report grew out of that, and ended up prosecuting a couple of election team for those links.

I don't think that anybody sane thought that Trump would have been collaborating with the Russians - the Steel dossier did suggest that they might have enough dirt on him to influence him - which isn't collaboration.

It certainly wasn't the entire focus of the Mueller probe, which did lead to several prosecutions - so it wasn't any kind of big fat zero - and did detail the Russian Facebook interventions which certainly would have helped him to his very narrow electoral college victory.

Trump does like to emphasise that it didn't prove any collusion on his part, and goes on to claim that he was completely exonerated by it, which is not a point of view shared by Mueller.

The so-called "whistle blower" WASN'T "patriotic" - he was just another libtard operative out to get Trump. We know who he is: he has a history of this bullshit.

That's one way of looking a the situation - right-wing nitwits do like to establish their bona fides by adopting this kind of lunatic point of view.

Trump doesn't need to get "mud" on Biden: Sleepy Joe does that ALL BY HIMSELF! His son is a dope-smoking, influence-peddling, whore-mongering, dead-beat dad. And Joe can't put two sentences together without a gaff that sold his sole to the banks. Just check out his latest interviews.

Did you mean "sold his soul"? And Trump can't put two words together without giving the fact-checker something to complain about.

Joe Biden knows when he's got a word wrong, and corrects himself. Trump has been a barefaced liar all his life.

Whether or not Trump needs mud to sling at Joe Biden, he certainly pressured the president of the Ukraine to get it for him.

--
Bill Sloman, Sydney

There is a very good reason why Sleepy Joe Biden is a four-time loser: he can't organize a 3-car parade. No, he doesn't correct himself: watch the videos. He loses track of the content of his feeble arguments. Biden has been in the pockets of the credit card banks for years and has supported usury interest rates in complete contradiction of his stated support of the "common man." If Biden is the best the Dems have to offer, they are in deeper trouble than I could ever imagine. And his doper son Hunter is a political train wreck.

 

[Flyguy]

On Wednesday, March 25, 2020 at 11:30:38 PM UTC-7, whit3rd wrote:

On Wednesday, March 25, 2020 at 10:45:25 PM UTC-7, Flyguy wrote:

LOL! The WHOLE libtard establishment thought that Trump collaborated with the Russians!!

How would you know? Thoughts are private things, quote a claim instead.

That was the ENTIRE focus of the Mueller probe, which turned up a BIG, FAT ZERO!!!

The Mueller probe found Russian interference, and made several arrests and convictions
(including Trump campaign personnel).

The so-called "whistle blower" WASN'T "patriotic"

How can you tell? Your guess is at odds with a majority vote of our elected
representatives, and it sure isn't informed (the whistlebolower hasn't been named).

Trump doesn't need...

... another four years.

The Mueller probe found ZERO collusion - don't believe me? Then read the god damned report! Note: Russians have been interfering in our elections for decades, just like we have been interfering in theirs - and others.

You, apparently, have done no research on that "whistle-blower." Go do it and get back to me. And, yes, he has been named.

 

[Bill Sloman]

On Friday, March 27, 2020 at 12:22:48 PM UTC+11, Flyguy wrote:

On Thursday, March 26, 2020 at 6:51:11 AM UTC-7, Bill Sloman wrote:
On Thursday, March 26, 2020 at 4:45:25 PM UTC+11, Flyguy wrote:
On Tuesday, March 24, 2020 at 10:43:07 PM UTC-7, Bill Sloman wrote:
On Wednesday, March 25, 2020 at 4:18:02 PM UTC+11, Flyguy wrote:
On Tuesday, March 24, 2020 at 8:49:06 PM UTC-7, Rick C wrote:
On Tuesday, March 24, 2020 at 10:42:50 PM UTC-4, Flyguy wrote:
On Monday, March 23, 2020 at 8:06:11 PM UTC-7, mpm wrote:
On Monday, March 23, 2020 at 1:58:55 PM UTC-4, Rick C wrote:

snip

I didn't say YOU, I said HISTORY.

And since the relevant histories haven't been written yet, it is a fatuous claim.

This mess was strictly politically motivated; they have tried since DAY ONE to pin something on Trump. This included the phony Russian Collusion (which actually did occur, but it involved Shrillary).

Nobody with any sense thinks that the Russians would have been silly enough to collaborate with Trump, who is incapable of collaborating with anybody.

The claim is that the Russians put quite a bit of effort behind getting Trump elected, on the basis that he would be a hopelessly incompetent president and leave them to get on with their criminal activities without interference, as has indeed happened.

Even Pelosi didn't want to go down this path, but her hand was forced by the shrill voices of Extreme Left, which has now taken over the Dimocrat Party.

Actually it was forced by the patriotic whistle-blower in the White House who heard Trump trying to pressure the Ukranian president into slinging mud at Joe Biden - it's clear to anybody with any sense that Trump was trying to engage in extortion, and the Republican position is essentially "so what?".

It was politically motivated - Trump wanted to get mud he could sling at Joe Biden during this year's presidential campaign - but calling him out for it was more based on the idea that ignoring it would be condoning the behaviour and make the Democrats look supine.

LOL! The WHOLE libtard establishment thought that Trump collaborated with the Russians!! That was the ENTIRE focus of the Mueller probe, which turned up a BIG, FAT ZERO!!!

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steele_dossier

did suggest that the Russians did have some dirt on Trump, and that some of his election team had unfortunately close links with Eastern Europe. There were other stories about that the time that prompted the FBI to look into those links, and the Mueller report grew out of that, and ended up prosecuting a couple of election team for those links.

I don't think that anybody sane thought that Trump would have been collaborating with the Russians - the Steel dossier did suggest that they might have enough dirt on him to influence him - which isn't collaboration.

It certainly wasn't the entire focus of the Mueller probe, which did lead to several prosecutions - so it wasn't any kind of big fat zero - and did detail the Russian Facebook interventions which certainly would have helped him to his very narrow electoral college victory.

Trump does like to emphasise that it didn't prove any collusion on his part, and goes on to claim that he was completely exonerated by it, which is not a point of view shared by Mueller.

The so-called "whistle blower" WASN'T "patriotic" - he was just another libtard operative out to get Trump. We know who he is: he has a history of this bullshit.

That's one way of looking a the situation - right-wing nitwits do like to establish their bona fides by adopting this kind of lunatic point of view.

Trump doesn't need to get "mud" on Biden: Sleepy Joe does that ALL BY HIMSELF! His son is a dope-smoking, influence-peddling, whore-mongering, dead-beat dad. And Joe can't put two sentences together without a gaff that sold his sole to the banks. Just check out his latest interviews.

Did you mean "sold his soul"? And Trump can't put two words together without giving the fact-checker something to complain about.

Joe Biden knows when he's got a word wrong, and corrects himself. Trump has been a barefaced liar all his life.

Whether or not Trump needs mud to sling at Joe Biden, he certainly pressured the president of the Ukraine to get it for him.

There is a very good reason why Sleepy Joe Biden is a four-time loser: he can't organize a 3-car parade. No, he doesn't correct himself: watch the videos. He loses track of the content of his feeble arguments. Biden has been in the pockets of the credit card banks for years and has supported usury interest rates in complete contradiction of his stated support of the "common man." If Biden is the best the Dems have to offer, they are in deeper trouble than I could ever imagine.

But Joe Biden has been like that since he entered politics. If he isn't great at public speaking he's got have other skills that more than compensate, otherwise he'd have out-competed decades ago

>And his doper son Hunter is a political train wreck.

He's not in politics. Jimmy Carter's brother wasn't an electoral asset either. Trump is clearly desperate to get any dirt he can, no matter how irrelevant. And you didn't quibble about him being a bare-faced liar. There may be hope for you yet.

--
Bill Sloman, Sydney

 

[Rick C]

On Thursday, March 26, 2020 at 9:15:42 PM UTC-4, Flyguy wrote:

On Wednesday, March 25, 2020 at 11:30:38 PM UTC-7, whit3rd wrote:
On Wednesday, March 25, 2020 at 10:45:25 PM UTC-7, Flyguy wrote:

LOL! The WHOLE libtard establishment thought that Trump collaborated with the Russians!!

How would you know? Thoughts are private things, quote a claim instead.

That was the ENTIRE focus of the Mueller probe, which turned up a BIG, FAT ZERO!!!

The Mueller probe found Russian interference, and made several arrests and convictions
(including Trump campaign personnel).

The so-called "whistle blower" WASN'T "patriotic"

How can you tell? Your guess is at odds with a majority vote of our elected
representatives, and it sure isn't informed (the whistlebolower hasn't been named).

Trump doesn't need...

... another four years.

The Mueller probe found ZERO collusion - don't believe me? Then read the god damned report! Note: Russians have been interfering in our elections for decades, just like we have been interfering in theirs - and others.

You, apparently, have done no research on that "whistle-blower." Go do it and get back to me. And, yes, he has been named.

I don't believe that is correct. The Mueller report found insufficient evidence to bring charges. There was no exoneration. That's no small part of why the report was heavily redacted.

--

Rick C.

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[Bill Sloman]

On Friday, March 27, 2020 at 12:15:42 PM UTC+11, Flyguy wrote:

On Wednesday, March 25, 2020 at 11:30:38 PM UTC-7, whit3rd wrote:
On Wednesday, March 25, 2020 at 10:45:25 PM UTC-7, Flyguy wrote:

LOL! The WHOLE libtard establishment thought that Trump collaborated with the Russians!!

How would you know? Thoughts are private things, quote a claim instead.

That was the ENTIRE focus of the Mueller probe, which turned up a BIG, FAT ZERO!!!

The Mueller probe found Russian interference, and made several arrests and convictions (including Trump campaign personnel).

The so-called "whistle blower" WASN'T "patriotic"

How can you tell? Your guess is at odds with a majority vote of our elected representatives, and it sure isn't informed (the whistlebolower hasn't been named).

Trump doesn't need...

... another four years.

The Mueller probe found ZERO collusion - don't believe me? Then read the god damned report! Note: Russians have been interfering in our elections for decades, just like we have been interfering in theirs - and others.

The Mueller probe wasn't so much about collusion as about foreign influence, and found quite a bit.

Perhaps you'd like to list the earlier example of Russian interference in US elections. Facebook has been around since 2006, but I've not seen any siggestion that it has been used for electoral propaganda (foreing or domestic) before 2016.

> You, apparently, have done no research on that "whistle-blower." Go do it and get back to me. And, yes, he has been named.

But you can't post the name. How strange.

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Bill Sloman, Sydney

 

[Rick C]

On Friday, March 27, 2020 at 9:58:42 PM UTC-4, skybu...@hotmail.com wrote:

Corona Update 1 on 28 march 2020:

Hello Followship of the Corona Ring =D

I will give you a hopefully thruthfull update on the Corona Virus:

New information that is acquired from around the World and The Netherlands:

0. Death growth rate in Netherlands last week rises from 1.32 to 1.36 now at 1.34

1. Corona virus has spread to cats and dogs and may infect cattle/cows/pigs/chickens soon. We may face a food crisis soon.

How can that create a food crisis? Do you only eat dogs and cats? Has the virus spread to carrots, potatoes, peas and other veggies? Well, I guess when the food supply is set up for feeding animals rather than people, it makes it hard to feed people when eating animals aren't such a good idea anymore.

Buy those can goods while you can still get them. They'll run out pretty quick once the word gets out.

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Rick C.

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Corona Update 2 on 31 march 2020:

Most Important Information about Corona Virus:

1. The virus is 125 nanometers in diameter, roughly 1000x smaller than the diameter of a human hair.

2. The virus is airborne and can float around 3 hours.

3. The virus can be transported by winds.

4. The undertakers known better the real number of deaths due to Corona Virus Symptoms.

5. Sneezing fluids can travel up to 3 meters.

6. The virus is in fluids as well, droplets, but also in the sewers and probably rivers as well.

7. The virus will penetrate most face masks and car filters. These filters stop 1 micrometer particle not 0.125 corona virus.

8. The virus spread/growths seems to be 33% every day (of total number of infections). That means roughly double every 3 days.

9. People don't know they are carriers of the virus.

10. Testing is crucial to find infections

11. Face masks are ment for care takers, giving them to family members to visit their sick ones would cost too many face masks.

12. The number of deaths is much higher than the number of deaths found in hospitals. Only the very sick go to the hospitals.
There are plenty of people dieing outside of hospitals so they say, thus point 4 is relevant.

13. Most corona patients are in sleep/coma.

I will also add some speculative information:

1. I suspect rivers/dolfins/sea/river life plays a roll in the spread.

2. I suspect in summer time the situation might worsen as the virus inside rivers becomes more airborn.

3. I suspect during/after heavy rain storms the virus also becomes airborne cause of strong winds. This may have happened in Netherlands during carnaval season, I can remember some rain and especially strong winds. Parades were cancelled.

4. Perhaps even during dry summer days, dust particles with corona virus on it might also become airborn.

5. I suspect elevators are very dangerous, the corona virus lieing on the ground could be thrown up by the acceleration force once the lift stops as it was going upwards. Also air inside those elevators will stay there for a while.

6. I suspect animals are also spreading the virus. Perhaps also rats in New York.

Combine the rivers/waters, elevator, rats in New York and it becomes apperent New York is a death trap. I am glad some New Yorkers can escape it, they might still be health and seek shelter elsewhere.

7. I suspect stairways in new york are no better, climbing/going down all those stairs while also lead to heavy breathing and many coughs and might be even more dangerous than holding your breath inside elevator and breathing slowly. That would be my advise to breath slowly in elevators.

Questions:

1. How long can Corona virus survive in water ?

2. Is it possible to use electron cannons to scan for corona virus inside patient tissue instead of "tests" ?

3. Is it possible for the corona virus to spread from car to car ? I'd think yes, seeing the inadequate filters in cars, it's a risk factor, where wind and other factors come into play.

4. Is it time for total shutdown of cars/busses/trucks in case spreading via traffic is detected ? Except for essential traffic. I see still a lot of traffic outside... too much I think.

Observations and annoyances:

1. I am getting slightly annoyed with politicians and media focussing on "human" spread factors only. There might be other pathways that we are missing, more focus needs to be on that I think.

2. Better information needs to be collected from undertakers, their death numbers can be usefull to get a better picture of what the true casualty rate is, suspect corona death number would be usefull.

3. Testing/tests are crucial to get more information about what is truely going on.

4. Information needs to be collected in detail as to where patients live, this geometry data may shed some more light on hot spots and what might be causing high number of infections/spreading.

5. Food chain is in jeopardy because food-chain workers are ordered to stay at home because of total lock downs/shutdowns, this is being looked at apperently.

6. Italy is pushing hard for economic support, I think this is too early as we are still in the beginning phase of this crisis and it's far from over. Other countries may also need economic support. Some reservation and waiting is required to see how the situation develops in other countries to be able to divide the economic resources more appropriately in time.

7. Death numbers reported by hospitals are becoming unreliable because infected/sick people are deciding to stay at home more and more to have a more pleasent death. This is why I recommend collecting data from undertakers instead of hospitals for the near/short future.

8. Infected numbers in Netherlands are probably 6 times higher than reported because of massive lack of testing. This makes it impossible to known if the spread is "flattening" or if it's staying the same. Best care scenerio is spread factor 1.16 worse case scenerio is maintaining 1.33 to 1.36 or so though this may also be much higher because not all dead are tested for corona. Real death numbers could be 2 or 3 times higher, this is reported by doctors and undertakers, somewhat speculative though.

Bye for now,
Skybuck.

 

[Flyguy]

On Thursday, March 26, 2020 at 8:24:56 PM UTC-7, Bill Sloman wrote:

On Friday, March 27, 2020 at 12:15:42 PM UTC+11, Flyguy wrote:
On Wednesday, March 25, 2020 at 11:30:38 PM UTC-7, whit3rd wrote:
On Wednesday, March 25, 2020 at 10:45:25 PM UTC-7, Flyguy wrote:

LOL! The WHOLE libtard establishment thought that Trump collaborated with the Russians!!

How would you know? Thoughts are private things, quote a claim instead.

That was the ENTIRE focus of the Mueller probe, which turned up a BIG, FAT ZERO!!!

The Mueller probe found Russian interference, and made several arrests and convictions (including Trump campaign personnel).

The so-called "whistle blower" WASN'T "patriotic"

How can you tell? Your guess is at odds with a majority vote of our elected representatives, and it sure isn't informed (the whistlebolower hasn't been named).

Trump doesn't need...

... another four years.

The Mueller probe found ZERO collusion - don't believe me? Then read the god damned report! Note: Russians have been interfering in our elections for decades, just like we have been interfering in theirs - and others.

The Mueller probe wasn't so much about collusion as about foreign influence, and found quite a bit.

Perhaps you'd like to list the earlier example of Russian interference in US elections. Facebook has been around since 2006, but I've not seen any siggestion that it has been used for electoral propaganda (foreing or domestic) before 2016.

You, apparently, have done no research on that "whistle-blower." Go do it and get back to me. And, yes, he has been named.

But you can't post the name. How strange.

--
Bill Sloman, Sydney

The Mueller investigation was ALL ABOUT collusion - everyone knew they were, and are meddling, just like WE meddled in other nation's elections. And there WAS NO collusion found. Period. I call this an exoneration because Mueller's team was totally a bunch of Trump haters who did their damnedest to find collusion.

 

Small little update:

1. Sun/UV can most likely kill Corona Virus on Surfaces, some are in denial about this because there would be no evidence for this, but other similiar viruses do die after 60 minutes of exposure. Good to know !

Bye,
Skybuck.

 

[Bill Sloman]

On Wednesday, April 1, 2020 at 4:07:41 AM UTC+11, Flyguy wrote:

On Thursday, March 26, 2020 at 8:24:56 PM UTC-7, Bill Sloman wrote:
On Friday, March 27, 2020 at 12:15:42 PM UTC+11, Flyguy wrote:
On Wednesday, March 25, 2020 at 11:30:38 PM UTC-7, whit3rd wrote:
On Wednesday, March 25, 2020 at 10:45:25 PM UTC-7, Flyguy wrote:

LOL! The WHOLE libtard establishment thought that Trump collaborated with the Russians!!

How would you know? Thoughts are private things, quote a claim instead.

That was the ENTIRE focus of the Mueller probe, which turned up a BIG, FAT ZERO!!!

The Mueller probe found Russian interference, and made several arrests and convictions (including Trump campaign personnel).

The so-called "whistle blower" WASN'T "patriotic"

How can you tell? Your guess is at odds with a majority vote of our elected representatives, and it sure isn't informed (the whistlebolower hasn't been named).

Trump doesn't need...

... another four years.

The Mueller probe found ZERO collusion - don't believe me? Then read the god damned report! Note: Russians have been interfering in our elections for decades, just like we have been interfering in theirs - and others.

The Mueller probe wasn't so much about collusion as about foreign influence, and found quite a bit.

Perhaps you'd like to list the earlier example of Russian interference in US elections. Facebook has been around since 2006, but I've not seen any siggestion that it has been used for electoral propaganda (foreing or domestic) before 2016.

You, apparently, have done no research on that "whistle-blower." Go do it and get back to me. And, yes, he has been named.

But you can't post the name. How strange.

The Mueller investigation was ALL ABOUT collusion - everyone knew they were, and are meddling, just like WE meddled in other nation's elections.

Nevertheless, the Mueller investigation was about more than collusion, and the prosecutions that resulted were about other kinds of problems.

> And there WAS NO collusion found.

Not enough evidence of any collusion to justify prosecution on those grounds.

> Period. I call this an exoneration because Mueller's team was totally a bunch of Trump haters who did their damnedest to find collusion.

Of course you do. You are a simple-minded twit and like to simplify everything down to concepts that you can get your tiny mind around. This throws a lot of baby out with the bath water, but if you've only got a hammer, everything does look like a nail.

--
Bill Sloman, Sydney

 

[Bill Sloman]

On Wednesday, April 1, 2020 at 8:29:39 AM UTC+11, skybu...@hotmail.com wrote:

Small little update:

1. Sun/UV can most likely kill Corona Virus on Surfaces, some are in denial about this because there would be no evidence for this, but other similiar viruses do die after 60 minutes of exposure. Good to know !

It's actually not much good to know what Skybuck imagines to be "most likely".

He's neither clever nor well-informed.

--
Bill Sloman, Sydney

 

[dcaster@krl.org]

On Tuesday, March 31, 2020 at 5:29:39 PM UTC-4, skybu...@hotmail.com wrote:

Small little update:

1. Sun/UV can most likely kill Corona Virus on Surfaces, some are in denial about this because there would be no evidence for this, but other similiar viruses do die after 60 minutes of exposure. Good to know !

Bye,
Skybuck.

UVC ( ulta Violet C ) has been shown to kill Corona Virus.

Dan

 

[Bill Sloman]

On Wednesday, April 1, 2020 at 2:07:40 PM UTC+11, dca...@krl.org wrote:

On Tuesday, March 31, 2020 at 5:29:39 PM UTC-4, skybu...@hotmail.com wrote:
Small little update:

1. Sun/UV can most likely kill Corona Virus on Surfaces, some are in denial about this because there would be no evidence for this, but other similiar viruses do die after 60 minutes of exposure. Good to know !

UVC ( ulta Violet C ) has been shown to kill Corona Virus.

That's light with a wavelength between 200 – 280 nanometers (nm).

Not a lot of it gets through the ozone layer - even less in the Netherlands (where Skybuck lives) because it traverses the ozone layer at a tolerably high angle, which means it has better change of hitting an ozone molecule before it can get at a Covid-19 virus particle.

--
Bill Sloman, Sydney