The Biden Administration is winging it about electrification...

[Flyguy]

On Friday, August 19, 2022 at 8:44:00 PM UTC-7, bill....@ieee.org wrote:

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On Sunday, August 7, 2022 at 3:14:35 PM UTC-7, rbowman wrote:
On 08/07/2022 03:25 PM, Flyguy wrote:

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Bill couldn\'t describe a plan, so why do I expect him to understand what it takes to replace SIXTY PERCENT of the electrical grid in SEVEN YEARS???

Expanding the transmission network by 60% isn\'t replacing it, but supplementing it. You might get more capacity by running the existing network at a higher voltage, which would required replacing existing structures, but that\'s a choice. The real problem is that renewable energy is generated in places where you wouldn\'t put a coal fired generating plant, so you have to add transmission links to service the new generators.

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/4/45/USA_electricity_production.svg

The US expanded its transmission network roughly this fast between 1950 and 2000. It should be able to do it again.

No, this IS NOT a plan.

Not one that you could understand. Since Gnatguy can\'t understand how dim he is, he does tend to assume that other people are just as stupid as he is.

Hey Bill, you sound like a broken record, and you are old enough to know what that means. A plan is a DETAILED roadmap on how the goals will be achieved;

That\'s what you eventually have to come up with. You do have to get pretty specific about what the goals are before you can start working out - in detail - how you are going to achieve them. I\'ve done enough project planning to know how the plan changes as you flesh it out.

this abortion talks about \"engaging and collaborating\" - absolutely NO SPECIFICS. It would be like your boss asking for a plan for developing a new instrument and you replied that you would \"engage and collaborate\" with strangers.

Nobody would develop a new instrument until they had \"engaged and collaborated\" with the potential customers who were likely to buy it.

Bottom line: this is NO PLAN WHATSOEVER!

Nothing that Gnatguy can comprehend to be any kind of plan. He clearly hasn\'t ever done any kind of project planning. I do seem to spend a lot of time reminding Gnatguy that he doesn\'t know what he is talking about. He might look at John Larkin\'s thought\'s about developing a DDS-based new trigger source to cover the frequencies between 15MHz and 1 Hz with milli-Herz resolution. Milli-Herz at 15MHz isn\'t going to be attainable, but it takes a while to prune out this kind of stuff, and if you start development before you\'ve done that pruning you can waste a lot of time

Hey Bill, TRY AGAIN! You just make excuses for these poor bastards. Tell me, SPECIFICALLY, how this \"plan\" will replace SIXTY PERCENT of the grid in JUST SEVEN YEARS!!! And don\'t reply with how I don\'t \"understand\" this bullshit.

But you don\'t understand. For a start, the aim is to expand the network by 60%, not replace 60% it, and part of the problem is to work out where that extra capacity needs to be put. You can scarcely plan new construction until you have worked out where that new construction is going to be put. The bullshit here is all yours.

Hey Bozo, explain how they are going to do ANYTHING of this magnitude in SEVEN YEARS W/O a PLAN?
Who said they haven\' t got a plan. Your complaint is that they haven\'t got a detailed plan, which just reflects you incapacity to understand what needs to be worked out before you can get to detailed planning.
Do you have ANY concept of what it takes to put in a new transmission line??
I drive past above-ground transmission lines from time to time, and see the large mechanical structures that support the wires that I can see, and can infer the blocks of concrete that serve as the foundations for each the towers along the line. What specialised concepts do i need to add? The high-voltage step-up at the generator end of the line, and step-down gear at the the distribution points?

Well, for starters, how about:
1. An environmental impact statement
2. Hearings and written statements on this
3. Rewriting of the environmental impact statement
4. Lawsuits over the impact statement
5. More hearings
6. More lawsuits
7. Preliminary injuction stopping work
8. More hearings
9. Legislation to address the lawsuits
10. Etc., etc., etc. (no work is ever started)

Obviously not - this one-pager IS NOT A PLAN, you BOZO!!!!!
Obviously not. It is a publicity puff about the early stages of developing a plan. You are the kind of idiot that thinks you can churn out a detailed plan to solve a problem before you\'ve worked out the fine details of the problem you need to solve - and don\'t have clue about what it\'s components would look like, but still think is is worth your while to complain that you can\'t see that detailed plan, even though it wouldn\'t mean a thing to you..

HA HA HA!!!! You AGREE this is NOT A PLAN! Well, Bozo, SHOW ME THE PLAN, THEN!

Joe Biden is merely blowing smoke - he has NO AUTHORITY to do ANYTHING, and he is not even TRYING to get the authority from Congress. Are you TOO DUMB to understand this?????

I\'d have to be pretty dumb to think that the President of the United States didn\'t have the authority to push for the

https://www.whitehouse.gov/bipartisan-infrastructure-law/


which has just been enacted. You\'ve got to be even dumber not to have noticed that he did managed to get it passed into law.

HA HA HA HA HA HA!!!!! Well then, You PRETTY DAMN DUMB because he DOESN\'T!!!!!!!! In the USA that authority comes from the CONGRESS by way of legislation. If you think he has such authority then YOU can point me to the specific LAW that grants him that authority, but YOU CAN\'T!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! The Infrastructure Bill you quoted only authorizes $20B, which is a DROP IN THE BUCKET for modernization of the grid. It is just a token effort that rubes like you will think is actual action.

> It doesn\'t spell out the work that needs to be done in the kind of fine detail that you imagine to be necessary, but that\'s reality to for you. Not for you of course, because you\'ve got no access to reality at all. Fox News is a close to it as you ever get.

\"Fine detail?\" There is NO DETAIL WHATSOEVER!

 

[Anthony William Sloman]

On Saturday, August 20, 2022 at 3:09:57 PM UTC+10, Flyguy wrote:

On Friday, August 19, 2022 at 8:44:00 PM UTC-7, bill....@ieee.org wrote:
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On Sunday, August 7, 2022 at 3:14:35 PM UTC-7, rbowman wrote:
On 08/07/2022 03:25 PM, Flyguy wrote:

<snip>

Bill couldn\'t describe a plan, so why do I expect him to understand what it takes to replace SIXTY PERCENT of the electrical grid in SEVEN YEARS???

Expanding the transmission network by 60% isn\'t replacing it, but supplementing it. You might get more capacity by running the existing network at a higher voltage, which would required replacing existing structures, but that\'s a choice. The real problem is that renewable energy is generated in places where you wouldn\'t put a coal fired generating plant, so you have to add transmission links to service the new generators.

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/4/45/USA_electricity_production.svg

The US expanded its transmission network roughly this fast between 1950 and 2000. It should be able to do it again.

No, this IS NOT a plan.

Not one that you could understand. Since Gnatguy can\'t understand how dim he is, he does tend to assume that other people are just as stupid as he is.

Hey Bill, you sound like a broken record, and you are old enough to know what that means. A plan is a DETAILED roadmap on how the goals will be achieved;

That\'s what you eventually have to come up with. You do have to get pretty specific about what the goals are before you can start working out - in detail - how you are going to achieve them. I\'ve done enough project planning to know how the plan changes as you flesh it out.

this abortion talks about \"engaging and collaborating\" - absolutely NO SPECIFICS. It would be like your boss asking for a plan for developing a new instrument and you replied that you would \"engage and collaborate\" with strangers.

Nobody would develop a new instrument until they had \"engaged and collaborated\" with the potential customers who were likely to buy it.

Bottom line: this is NO PLAN WHATSOEVER!

Nothing that Gnatguy can comprehend to be any kind of plan. He clearly hasn\'t ever done any kind of project planning. I do seem to spend a lot of time reminding Gnatguy that he doesn\'t know what he is talking about. He might look at John Larkin\'s thought\'s about developing a DDS-based new trigger source to cover the frequencies between 15MHz and 1 Hz with milli-Herz resolution. Milli-Herz at 15MHz isn\'t going to be attainable, but it takes a while to prune out this kind of stuff, and if you start development before you\'ve done that pruning you can waste a lot of time

Hey Bill, TRY AGAIN! You just make excuses for these poor bastards. Tell me, SPECIFICALLY, how this \"plan\" will replace SIXTY PERCENT of the grid in JUST SEVEN YEARS!!! And don\'t reply with how I don\'t \"understand\" this bullshit.

But you don\'t understand. For a start, the aim is to expand the network by 60%, not replace 60% it, and part of the problem is to work out where that extra capacity needs to be put. You can scarcely plan new construction until you have worked out where that new construction is going to be put. The bullshit here is all yours.

Hey Bozo, explain how they are going to do ANYTHING of this magnitude in SEVEN YEARS W/O a PLAN?

Who said they haven\' t got a plan. Your complaint is that they haven\'t got a detailed plan, which just reflects you incapacity to understand what needs to be worked out before you can get to detailed planning.

Do you have ANY concept of what it takes to put in a new transmission line??

I drive past above-ground transmission lines from time to time, and see the large mechanical structures that support the wires that I can see, and can infer the blocks of concrete that serve as the foundations for each the towers along the line. What specialised concepts do i need to add? The high-voltage step-up at the generator end of the line, and step-down gear at the the distribution points?

Well, for starters, how about:
1. An environmental impact statement

You can see an above-ground transmission line for miles. Obviously there\'s going to be an environmental statement.

> 2. Hearings and written statements on this

More of the same.

> 3. Rewriting of the environmental impact statement

And even more

> 4. Lawsuits over the impact statement

You want a plan for that?

5. More hearings
6. More lawsuits
7. Preliminary injunction stopping work
8. More hearings
9. Legislation to address the lawsuits
10. Etc., etc., etc. (no work is ever started)
Obviously not - this one-pager IS NOT A PLAN, you BOZO!!!!!

And anybody who tried to plan that kind of time-wasting nonsense would be out of their minds. You don\'t seem to have mind to be out of.

Transmission lines keep on getting built, so presumably the people that do it keep a stable of lawyers to keep that kind of nonsense out of their hair..

That\'s not planning - more pest control, and clearly you\'d love to be one of the pests.

Obviously not. It is a publicity puff about the early stages of developing a plan. You are the kind of idiot that thinks you can churn out a detailed plan to solve a problem before you\'ve worked out the fine details of the problem you need to solve - and don\'t have clue about what it\'s components would look like, but still think is is worth your while to complain that you can\'t see that detailed plan, even though it wouldn\'t mean a thing to you.

HA HA HA!!!! You AGREE this is NOT A PLAN! Well, Bozo, SHOW ME THE PLAN, THEN!

I just did

https://www.energy.gov/oe/articles/doe-launches-new-initiative-president-bidens-bipartisan-infrastructure-law-modernize

it\'s not detailed enough to satisfy you, but Biden is a Democrat, so it never could be. And you do have unrealistic ideas about how detailed a plan could be at this stage.

Joe Biden is merely blowing smoke - he has NO AUTHORITY to do ANYTHING, and he is not even TRYING to get the authority from Congress. Are you TOO DUMB to understand this?????

I\'d have to be pretty dumb to think that the President of the United States didn\'t have the authority to push for the

https://www.whitehouse.gov/bipartisan-infrastructure-law/

which has just been enacted. You\'ve got to be even dumber not to have noticed that he did managed to get it passed into law.

HA HA HA HA HA HA!!!!! Well then, You PRETTY DAMN DUMB because he DOESN\'T!!!!!!!! In the USA that authority comes from the CONGRESS by way of legislation.

That\'s what he has just got.

> If you think he has such authority then YOU can point me to the specific LAW that grants him that authority, but YOU CAN\'T!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! The Infrastructure Bill you quoted only authorizes $20B, which is a DROP IN THE BUCKET for modernization of the grid.

So you\'ve got access to a detailed plan which tells you how much it will cost?

It is just a token effort that rubes like you will think is actual action..

It doesn\'t spell out the work that needs to be done in the kind of fine detail that you imagine to be necessary, but that\'s reality to for you. Not for you of course, because you\'ve got no access to reality at all. Fox News is a close to it as you ever get.

\"Fine detail?\" There is NO DETAIL WHATSOEVER!

None that you can understand. Which scarcely needs to be said.

--
Bill Sloman, Sydney

 

[Flyguy]

On Friday, August 19, 2022 at 8:52:21 PM UTC-7, bill....@ieee.org wrote:

On Saturday, August 20, 2022 at 2:44:37 AM UTC+10, Flyguy wrote:
On Thursday, August 18, 2022 at 11:22:05 PM UTC-7, whit3rd wrote:
On Thursday, August 18, 2022 at 10:13:56 PM UTC-7, Flyguy wrote:

...explain how they are going to do ANYTHING of this magnitude in SEVEN YEARS W/O a PLAN?

That\'s a contradiction in terms, isn\'t it? Deeds of great magnitude, over a period of seven years,
IS a plan, with details to be worked out... presumably, in the next seven years.
Here are two questions for the wishful thinkers:
1. How many miles of electrical transmission wires are there in the U.S.?
How long is a piece of string? What kind of electrical transmission wires do you wan to count? Does the wire wrapped around the core of an electrical distribution transformers have to be unrolled and its length added to the total?

The answer, Bozo, is 700,000 miles (go to EIA.gov for the answer). No counting required (which is good for you because you can\'t count).

You do need to formulate your questions more carefully.

No, the question was perfectly formulated.

2. How many miles PER DAY is required to add 60% more capacity in SEVEN years?
If you just upped the transmission voltage by 60%, none. The existing wires probably aren\'t well enough insulated to let you do that, but this is enough to make the point that you don\'t know what you are talking about.

LOL! Are you REALLY that stupid, Bozo? Transmission lines are designed for a specific voltage which can\'t be changed. The answer is 164 MILES PER DAY! Do you see this activity taking place? I don\'t.

Anybody who thinks there is a plan to do this SHOULD be able to answer these two simple questions.
Anybody who expects an answer needs to pose his question more carefully.

Not for people that know how to THINK!

 

[Flyguy]

On Saturday, August 20, 2022 at 1:18:14 AM UTC-7, bill....@ieee.org wrote:

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On Monday, August 8, 2022 at 11:03:46 AM UTC+10, Flyguy wrote:
On Sunday, August 7, 2022 at 3:14:35 PM UTC-7, rbowman wrote:
On 08/07/2022 03:25 PM, Flyguy wrote:

snip

Bill couldn\'t describe a plan, so why do I expect him to understand what it takes to replace SIXTY PERCENT of the electrical grid in SEVEN YEARS???

Expanding the transmission network by 60% isn\'t replacing it, but supplementing it. You might get more capacity by running the existing network at a higher voltage, which would required replacing existing structures, but that\'s a choice. The real problem is that renewable energy is generated in places where you wouldn\'t put a coal fired generating plant, so you have to add transmission links to service the new generators.

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/4/45/USA_electricity_production.svg

The US expanded its transmission network roughly this fast between 1950 and 2000. It should be able to do it again.

No, this IS NOT a plan.

Not one that you could understand. Since Gnatguy can\'t understand how dim he is, he does tend to assume that other people are just as stupid as he is.

Hey Bill, you sound like a broken record, and you are old enough to know what that means. A plan is a DETAILED roadmap on how the goals will be achieved;

That\'s what you eventually have to come up with. You do have to get pretty specific about what the goals are before you can start working out - in detail - how you are going to achieve them. I\'ve done enough project planning to know how the plan changes as you flesh it out.

this abortion talks about \"engaging and collaborating\" - absolutely NO SPECIFICS. It would be like your boss asking for a plan for developing a new instrument and you replied that you would \"engage and collaborate\" with strangers.

Nobody would develop a new instrument until they had \"engaged and collaborated\" with the potential customers who were likely to buy it.

Bottom line: this is NO PLAN WHATSOEVER!

Nothing that Gnatguy can comprehend to be any kind of plan. He clearly hasn\'t ever done any kind of project planning. I do seem to spend a lot of time reminding Gnatguy that he doesn\'t know what he is talking about. He might look at John Larkin\'s thought\'s about developing a DDS-based new trigger source to cover the frequencies between 15MHz and 1 Hz with milli-Herz resolution. Milli-Herz at 15MHz isn\'t going to be attainable, but it takes a while to prune out this kind of stuff, and if you start development before you\'ve done that pruning you can waste a lot of time

Hey Bill, TRY AGAIN! You just make excuses for these poor bastards. Tell me, SPECIFICALLY, how this \"plan\" will replace SIXTY PERCENT of the grid in JUST SEVEN YEARS!!! And don\'t reply with how I don\'t \"understand\" this bullshit.

But you don\'t understand. For a start, the aim is to expand the network by 60%, not replace 60% it, and part of the problem is to work out where that extra capacity needs to be put. You can scarcely plan new construction until you have worked out where that new construction is going to be put. The bullshit here is all yours.

Hey Bozo, explain how they are going to do ANYTHING of this magnitude in SEVEN YEARS W/O a PLAN?

Who said they haven\' t got a plan. Your complaint is that they haven\'t got a detailed plan, which just reflects you incapacity to understand what needs to be worked out before you can get to detailed planning.

Do you have ANY concept of what it takes to put in a new transmission line??

I drive past above-ground transmission lines from time to time, and see the large mechanical structures that support the wires that I can see, and can infer the blocks of concrete that serve as the foundations for each the towers along the line. What specialised concepts do i need to add? The high-voltage step-up at the generator end of the line, and step-down gear at the the distribution points?

Well, for starters, how about:
1. An environmental impact statement
You can see an above-ground transmission line for miles. Obviously there\'s going to be an environmental statement.
2. Hearings and written statements on this
More of the same.
3. Rewriting of the environmental impact statement
And even more
4. Lawsuits over the impact statement
You want a plan for that?
5. More hearings
6. More lawsuits
7. Preliminary injunction stopping work
8. More hearings
9. Legislation to address the lawsuits
10. Etc., etc., etc. (no work is ever started)
Obviously not - this one-pager IS NOT A PLAN, you BOZO!!!!!
And anybody who tried to plan that kind of time-wasting nonsense would be out of their minds. You don\'t seem to have mind to be out of.

That \"time-wasting nonsense\" is required by LAW, Bozo, which Republicans are trying to change, but need to control Congress and the White House to do that. The gas pipeline that Manchin sold his soul for was started SEVEN YEARS AGO and still is AT LEAST a year away from completion:
https://www.mountainvalleypipeline.info/overview/
This pipeline has been delayed by numerous lawsuits.

Transmission lines keep on getting built, so presumably the people that do it keep a stable of lawyers to keep that kind of nonsense out of their hair.

Not at a pace to expand the grid by 60% in 7 years. They would be lucky to do ONE TENTH of that.

That\'s not planning - more pest control, and clearly you\'d love to be one of the pests.

Well, you are a pest in need of controlling.

Obviously not. It is a publicity puff about the early stages of developing a plan. You are the kind of idiot that thinks you can churn out a detailed plan to solve a problem before you\'ve worked out the fine details of the problem you need to solve - and don\'t have clue about what it\'s components would look like, but still think is is worth your while to complain that you can\'t see that detailed plan, even though it wouldn\'t mean a thing to you.

HA HA HA!!!! You AGREE this is NOT A PLAN! Well, Bozo, SHOW ME THE PLAN, THEN!
I just did

https://www.energy.gov/oe/articles/doe-launches-new-initiative-president-bidens-bipartisan-infrastructure-law-modernize

it\'s not detailed enough to satisfy you, but Biden is a Democrat, so it never could be. And you do have unrealistic ideas about how detailed a plan could be at this stage.

As they say, the devil IS in the details - wishful thinking is for libtards like you.

Joe Biden is merely blowing smoke - he has NO AUTHORITY to do ANYTHING, and he is not even TRYING to get the authority from Congress. Are you TOO DUMB to understand this?????

I\'d have to be pretty dumb to think that the President of the United States didn\'t have the authority to push for the

https://www.whitehouse.gov/bipartisan-infrastructure-law/

which has just been enacted. You\'ve got to be even dumber not to have noticed that he did managed to get it passed into law.

HA HA HA HA HA HA!!!!! Well then, You PRETTY DAMN DUMB because he DOESN\'T!!!!!!!! In the USA that authority comes from the CONGRESS by way of legislation.
That\'s what he has just got.

A drop in the bucket, you fool. Nothing even close to what is needed to do what Lyin\' Biden claims he wants to do, which will cost TRILLIONS!

If you think he has such authority then YOU can point me to the specific LAW that grants him that authority, but YOU CAN\'T!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! The Infrastructure Bill you quoted only authorizes $20B, which is a DROP IN THE BUCKET for modernization of the grid.
So you\'ve got access to a detailed plan which tells you how much it will cost?

I have already posted TWO such plans, Bozo

It is just a token effort that rubes like you will think is actual action.

It doesn\'t spell out the work that needs to be done in the kind of fine detail that you imagine to be necessary, but that\'s reality to for you. Not for you of course, because you\'ve got no access to reality at all. Fox News is a close to it as you ever get.

\"Fine detail?\" There is NO DETAIL WHATSOEVER!
None that you can understand. Which scarcely needs to be said.

You just mean NONE, Bozo. If you could find said plan you would POST IT, but you CAN\'T!

 

[Anthony William Sloman]

On Sunday, August 21, 2022 at 8:41:38 AM UTC+10, Flyguy wrote:

On Saturday, August 20, 2022 at 1:18:14 AM UTC-7, bill....@ieee.org wrote:
On Saturday, August 20, 2022 at 3:09:57 PM UTC+10, Flyguy wrote:
On Friday, August 19, 2022 at 8:44:00 PM UTC-7, bill....@ieee.org wrote:
On Friday, August 19, 2022 at 3:13:56 PM UTC+10, Flyguy wrote:
On Thursday, August 18, 2022 at 10:01:18 PM UTC-7, bill....@ieee.org wrote:
On Friday, August 19, 2022 at 2:44:08 PM UTC+10, Flyguy wrote:
On Thursday, August 18, 2022 at 8:37:07 PM UTC-7, bill....@ieee.org wrote:
On Friday, August 19, 2022 at 10:07:01 AM UTC+10, Flyguy wrote:
On Wednesday, August 17, 2022 at 9:58:53 PM UTC-7, bill.....@ieee.org wrote:
On Thursday, August 18, 2022 at 1:00:43 PM UTC+10, Flyguy wrote:
On Wednesday, August 17, 2022 at 7:54:56 PM UTC-7, bill....@ieee.org wrote:
On Thursday, August 18, 2022 at 12:10:38 PM UTC+10, Flyguy wrote:
On Wednesday, August 17, 2022 at 5:05:23 AM UTC-7, bill....@ieee.org wrote:
On Wednesday, August 17, 2022 at 3:21:55 PM UTC+10, Flyguy wrote:
On Monday, August 15, 2022 at 10:20:08 PM UTC-7, bill....@ieee.org wrote:
On Tuesday, August 16, 2022 at 6:47:55 AM UTC+10, Flyguy wrote:
On Saturday, August 13, 2022 at 7:22:44 AM UTC-7, bill....@ieee.org wrote:
On Saturday, August 13, 2022 at 10:49:30 AM UTC+10, Flyguy wrote:
On Friday, August 12, 2022 at 12:20:16 AM UTC-7, bill....@ieee.org wrote:
On Friday, August 12, 2022 at 1:17:37 PM UTC+10, Flyguy wrote:
On Thursday, August 11, 2022 at 12:30:55 AM UTC-7, bill....@ieee.org wrote:
On Thursday, August 11, 2022 at 12:49:26 PM UTC+10, Flyguy wrote:
On Tuesday, August 9, 2022 at 5:53:51 PM UTC-7, bill....@ieee.org wrote:
On Wednesday, August 10, 2022 at 4:42:34 AM UTC+10, Flyguy wrote:
On Monday, August 8, 2022 at 8:28:18 PM UTC-7, bill....@ieee.org wrote:
On Tuesday, August 9, 2022 at 12:36:51 PM UTC+10, Flyguy wrote:
On Sunday, August 7, 2022 at 11:37:12 PM UTC-7, bill....@ieee.org wrote:
On Monday, August 8, 2022 at 3:18:35 PM UTC+10, Flyguy wrote:
On Sunday, August 7, 2022 at 6:52:22 PM UTC-7, bill....@ieee.org wrote:
On Monday, August 8, 2022 at 11:03:46 AM UTC+10, Flyguy wrote:
On Sunday, August 7, 2022 at 3:14:35 PM UTC-7, rbowman wrote:
On 08/07/2022 03:25 PM, Flyguy wrote:

<snip>

But you don\'t understand. For a start, the aim is to expand the network by 60%, not replace 60% it, and part of the problem is to work out where that extra capacity needs to be put. You can scarcely plan new construction until you have worked out where that new construction is going to be put. The bullshit here is all yours.

Hey Bozo, explain how they are going to do ANYTHING of this magnitude in SEVEN YEARS W/O a PLAN?

Who said they haven\' t got a plan. Your complaint is that they haven\'t got a detailed plan, which just reflects you incapacity to understand what needs to be worked out before you can get to detailed planning.

Do you have ANY concept of what it takes to put in a new transmission line??

I drive past above-ground transmission lines from time to time, and see the large mechanical structures that support the wires that I can see, and can infer the blocks of concrete that serve as the foundations for each the towers along the line. What specialised concepts do i need to add? The high-voltage step-up at the generator end of the line, and step-down gear at the the distribution points?

Well, for starters, how about:
1. An environmental impact statement
You can see an above-ground transmission line for miles. Obviously there\'s going to be an environmental statement.
2. Hearings and written statements on this
More of the same.
3. Rewriting of the environmental impact statement
And even more
4. Lawsuits over the impact statement
You want a plan for that?
5. More hearings
6. More lawsuits
7. Preliminary injunction stopping work
8. More hearings
9. Legislation to address the lawsuits
10. Etc., etc., etc. (no work is ever started)
Obviously not - this one-pager IS NOT A PLAN, you BOZO!!!!!
And anybody who tried to plan that kind of time-wasting nonsense would be out of their minds. You don\'t seem to have mind to be out of.
That \"time-wasting nonsense\" is required by LAW, Bozo, which Republicans are trying to change, but need to control Congress and the White House to do that. The gas pipeline that Manchin sold his soul for was started SEVEN YEARS AGO and still is AT LEAST a year away from completion:
https://www.mountainvalleypipeline.info/overview/
This pipeline has been delayed by numerous lawsuits.

Transmission lines keep on getting built, so presumably the people that do it keep a stable of lawyers to keep that kind of nonsense out of their hair.
Not at a pace to expand the grid by 60% in 7 years. They would be lucky to do ONE TENTH of that.

That\'s not planning - more pest control, and clearly you\'d love to be one of the pests.

Well, you are a pest in need of controlling.

That does seem to be your point of view.

Obviously not. It is a publicity puff about the early stages of developing a plan. You are the kind of idiot that thinks you can churn out a detailed plan to solve a problem before you\'ve worked out the fine details of the problem you need to solve - and don\'t have clue about what it\'s components would look like, but still think is is worth your while to complain that you can\'t see that detailed plan, even though it wouldn\'t mean a thing to you.

HA HA HA!!!! You AGREE this is NOT A PLAN! Well, Bozo, SHOW ME THE PLAN, THEN!
I just did

https://www.energy.gov/oe/articles/doe-launches-new-initiative-president-bidens-bipartisan-infrastructure-law-modernize

it\'s not detailed enough to satisfy you, but Biden is a Democrat, so it never could be. And you do have unrealistic ideas about how detailed a plan could be at this stage.

As they say, the devil IS in the details - wishful thinking is for libtards like you.

But it takes time to work out those details. You wishful thinking is that it can be done overnight.

Joe Biden is merely blowing smoke - he has NO AUTHORITY to do ANYTHING, and he is not even TRYING to get the authority from Congress. Are you TOO DUMB to understand this?????

I\'d have to be pretty dumb to think that the President of the United States didn\'t have the authority to push for the

https://www.whitehouse.gov/bipartisan-infrastructure-law/

which has just been enacted. You\'ve got to be even dumber not to have noticed that he did managed to get it passed into law.

HA HA HA HA HA HA!!!!! Well then, You PRETTY DAMN DUMB because he DOESN\'T!!!!!!!! In the USA that authority comes from the CONGRESS by way of legislation.

That\'s what he has just got.

A drop in the bucket, you fool. Nothing even close to what is needed to do what Lyin\' Biden claims he wants to do, which will cost TRILLIONS!

In your ever-so expert opinion.

If you think he has such authority then YOU can point me to the specific LAW that grants him that authority, but YOU CAN\'T!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! The Infrastructure Bill you quoted only authorizes $20B, which is a DROP IN THE BUCKET for modernization of the grid.

So you\'ve got access to a detailed plan which tells you how much it will cost?

I have already posted TWO such plans, Bozo.

You may think you have, but you are a deluded idiot. Post a link to either of them and we might take you seriously, though you are more likely to post a link to something completely irrelevant, and not have clue why it is relevant.

It is just a token effort that rubes like you will think is actual action.

It doesn\'t spell out the work that needs to be done in the kind of fine detail that you imagine to be necessary, but that\'s reality to for you.. Not for you of course, because you\'ve got no access to reality at all. Fox News is a close to it as you ever get.

\"Fine detail?\" There is NO DETAIL WHATSOEVER!

None that you can understand. Which scarcely needs to be said.

You just mean NONE.

That is what you like to believe.

> If you could find said plan you would POST IT, but you CAN\'T!

You want me to post a link to a detailed plan that can\'t possibly exist right now, then complain when I point out that you are asking for the impossible.
Rhetorically this may work, but you still look like a idiot for trying it on. Looking like a idiot does seem to be your aim.

--
Bill Sloman, Sydney

 

[Flyguy]

On Saturday, August 20, 2022 at 10:08:23 PM UTC-7, bill....@ieee.org wrote:

On Sunday, August 21, 2022 at 8:41:38 AM UTC+10, Flyguy wrote:
On Saturday, August 20, 2022 at 1:18:14 AM UTC-7, bill....@ieee.org wrote:
On Saturday, August 20, 2022 at 3:09:57 PM UTC+10, Flyguy wrote:
On Friday, August 19, 2022 at 8:44:00 PM UTC-7, bill....@ieee.org wrote:
On Friday, August 19, 2022 at 3:13:56 PM UTC+10, Flyguy wrote:
On Thursday, August 18, 2022 at 10:01:18 PM UTC-7, bill....@ieee.org wrote:
On Friday, August 19, 2022 at 2:44:08 PM UTC+10, Flyguy wrote:
On Thursday, August 18, 2022 at 8:37:07 PM UTC-7, bill....@ieee.org wrote:
On Friday, August 19, 2022 at 10:07:01 AM UTC+10, Flyguy wrote:
On Wednesday, August 17, 2022 at 9:58:53 PM UTC-7, bill.....@ieee.org wrote:
On Thursday, August 18, 2022 at 1:00:43 PM UTC+10, Flyguy wrote:
On Wednesday, August 17, 2022 at 7:54:56 PM UTC-7, bill....@ieee.org wrote:
On Thursday, August 18, 2022 at 12:10:38 PM UTC+10, Flyguy wrote:
On Wednesday, August 17, 2022 at 5:05:23 AM UTC-7, bill....@ieee.org wrote:
On Wednesday, August 17, 2022 at 3:21:55 PM UTC+10, Flyguy wrote:
On Monday, August 15, 2022 at 10:20:08 PM UTC-7, bill....@ieee.org wrote:
On Tuesday, August 16, 2022 at 6:47:55 AM UTC+10, Flyguy wrote:
On Saturday, August 13, 2022 at 7:22:44 AM UTC-7, bill....@ieee.org wrote:
On Saturday, August 13, 2022 at 10:49:30 AM UTC+10, Flyguy wrote:
On Friday, August 12, 2022 at 12:20:16 AM UTC-7, bill....@ieee.org wrote:
On Friday, August 12, 2022 at 1:17:37 PM UTC+10, Flyguy wrote:
On Thursday, August 11, 2022 at 12:30:55 AM UTC-7, bill....@ieee.org wrote:
On Thursday, August 11, 2022 at 12:49:26 PM UTC+10, Flyguy wrote:
On Tuesday, August 9, 2022 at 5:53:51 PM UTC-7, bill....@ieee.org wrote:
On Wednesday, August 10, 2022 at 4:42:34 AM UTC+10, Flyguy wrote:
On Monday, August 8, 2022 at 8:28:18 PM UTC-7, bill....@ieee.org wrote:
On Tuesday, August 9, 2022 at 12:36:51 PM UTC+10, Flyguy wrote:
On Sunday, August 7, 2022 at 11:37:12 PM UTC-7, bill....@ieee.org wrote:
On Monday, August 8, 2022 at 3:18:35 PM UTC+10, Flyguy wrote:
On Sunday, August 7, 2022 at 6:52:22 PM UTC-7, bill....@ieee.org wrote:
On Monday, August 8, 2022 at 11:03:46 AM UTC+10, Flyguy wrote:
On Sunday, August 7, 2022 at 3:14:35 PM UTC-7, rbowman wrote:
On 08/07/2022 03:25 PM, Flyguy wrote:

snip
But you don\'t understand. For a start, the aim is to expand the network by 60%, not replace 60% it, and part of the problem is to work out where that extra capacity needs to be put. You can scarcely plan new construction until you have worked out where that new construction is going to be put. The bullshit here is all yours.

Hey Bozo, explain how they are going to do ANYTHING of this magnitude in SEVEN YEARS W/O a PLAN?

Who said they haven\' t got a plan. Your complaint is that they haven\'t got a detailed plan, which just reflects you incapacity to understand what needs to be worked out before you can get to detailed planning.

Do you have ANY concept of what it takes to put in a new transmission line??

I drive past above-ground transmission lines from time to time, and see the large mechanical structures that support the wires that I can see, and can infer the blocks of concrete that serve as the foundations for each the towers along the line. What specialised concepts do i need to add? The high-voltage step-up at the generator end of the line, and step-down gear at the the distribution points?

Well, for starters, how about:
1. An environmental impact statement
You can see an above-ground transmission line for miles. Obviously there\'s going to be an environmental statement.
2. Hearings and written statements on this
More of the same.
3. Rewriting of the environmental impact statement
And even more
4. Lawsuits over the impact statement
You want a plan for that?
5. More hearings
6. More lawsuits
7. Preliminary injunction stopping work
8. More hearings
9. Legislation to address the lawsuits
10. Etc., etc., etc. (no work is ever started)
Obviously not - this one-pager IS NOT A PLAN, you BOZO!!!!!
And anybody who tried to plan that kind of time-wasting nonsense would be out of their minds. You don\'t seem to have mind to be out of.
That \"time-wasting nonsense\" is required by LAW, Bozo, which Republicans are trying to change, but need to control Congress and the White House to do that. The gas pipeline that Manchin sold his soul for was started SEVEN YEARS AGO and still is AT LEAST a year away from completion:
https://www.mountainvalleypipeline.info/overview/
This pipeline has been delayed by numerous lawsuits.

Transmission lines keep on getting built, so presumably the people that do it keep a stable of lawyers to keep that kind of nonsense out of their hair.
Not at a pace to expand the grid by 60% in 7 years. They would be lucky to do ONE TENTH of that.

That\'s not planning - more pest control, and clearly you\'d love to be one of the pests.

Well, you are a pest in need of controlling.
That does seem to be your point of view.
Obviously not. It is a publicity puff about the early stages of developing a plan. You are the kind of idiot that thinks you can churn out a detailed plan to solve a problem before you\'ve worked out the fine details of the problem you need to solve - and don\'t have clue about what it\'s components would look like, but still think is is worth your while to complain that you can\'t see that detailed plan, even though it wouldn\'t mean a thing to you.

HA HA HA!!!! You AGREE this is NOT A PLAN! Well, Bozo, SHOW ME THE PLAN, THEN!
I just did

https://www.energy.gov/oe/articles/doe-launches-new-initiative-president-bidens-bipartisan-infrastructure-law-modernize

it\'s not detailed enough to satisfy you, but Biden is a Democrat, so it never could be. And you do have unrealistic ideas about how detailed a plan could be at this stage.

As they say, the devil IS in the details - wishful thinking is for libtards like you.
But it takes time to work out those details. You wishful thinking is that it can be done overnight.
Joe Biden is merely blowing smoke - he has NO AUTHORITY to do ANYTHING, and he is not even TRYING to get the authority from Congress. Are you TOO DUMB to understand this?????

I\'d have to be pretty dumb to think that the President of the United States didn\'t have the authority to push for the

https://www.whitehouse.gov/bipartisan-infrastructure-law/

which has just been enacted. You\'ve got to be even dumber not to have noticed that he did managed to get it passed into law.

HA HA HA HA HA HA!!!!! Well then, You PRETTY DAMN DUMB because he DOESN\'T!!!!!!!! In the USA that authority comes from the CONGRESS by way of legislation.

That\'s what he has just got.

A drop in the bucket, you fool. Nothing even close to what is needed to do what Lyin\' Biden claims he wants to do, which will cost TRILLIONS!
In your ever-so expert opinion.
If you think he has such authority then YOU can point me to the specific LAW that grants him that authority, but YOU CAN\'T!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! The Infrastructure Bill you quoted only authorizes $20B, which is a DROP IN THE BUCKET for modernization of the grid.

So you\'ve got access to a detailed plan which tells you how much it will cost?

I have already posted TWO such plans, Bozo.

You may think you have, but you are a deluded idiot. Post a link to either of them and we might take you seriously, though you are more likely to post a link to something completely irrelevant, and not have clue why it is relevant.
It is just a token effort that rubes like you will think is actual action.

It doesn\'t spell out the work that needs to be done in the kind of fine detail that you imagine to be necessary, but that\'s reality to for you. Not for you of course, because you\'ve got no access to reality at all. Fox News is a close to it as you ever get.

\"Fine detail?\" There is NO DETAIL WHATSOEVER!

None that you can understand. Which scarcely needs to be said.

You just mean NONE.

That is what you like to believe.
If you could find said plan you would POST IT, but you CAN\'T!
You want me to post a link to a detailed plan that can\'t possibly exist right now, then complain when I point out that you are asking for the impossible.
Rhetorically this may work, but you still look like a idiot for trying it on. Looking like a idiot does seem to be your aim.

--
Bozo Bill Sloman, Sydney

Hey Bozo Bill, you keep saying there IS a plan, but keep on coming up with excuses why you don\'t post it. Then, you say this token plan IS their plan, but it is so WOEFULLY underfunded that is has ZERO chance of accomplishing Lyin\' Biden\'s goals.

Bottom Line: WHERE is Lyin\' Biden\'s plan to expand the electrical grid by SIXTY PERCENT in SEVEN YEARS????

 

[Flyguy]

On Saturday, August 20, 2022 at 9:55:41 PM UTC-7, bill....@ieee.org wrote:

On Sunday, August 21, 2022 at 8:06:38 AM UTC+10, Flyguy wrote:
On Friday, August 19, 2022 at 8:52:21 PM UTC-7, bill....@ieee.org wrote:
On Saturday, August 20, 2022 at 2:44:37 AM UTC+10, Flyguy wrote:
On Thursday, August 18, 2022 at 11:22:05 PM UTC-7, whit3rd wrote:
On Thursday, August 18, 2022 at 10:13:56 PM UTC-7, Flyguy wrote:

...explain how they are going to do ANYTHING of this magnitude in SEVEN YEARS W/O a PLAN?

That\'s a contradiction in terms, isn\'t it? Deeds of great magnitude, over a period of seven years,
IS a plan, with details to be worked out... presumably, in the next seven years.
Here are two questions for the wishful thinkers:
1. How many miles of electrical transmission wires are there in the U.S.?
How long is a piece of string? What kind of electrical transmission wires do you wan to count? Does the wire wrapped around the core of an electrical distribution transformers have to be unrolled and its length added to the total?

The answer, Bozo, is 700,000 miles (go to EIA.gov for the answer). No counting required (which is good for you because you can\'t count).
But you don\'t provide the link. Your capacity to makes sense of what you think you have found isn\'t impressive, so I\'m not going to bother to look for it.
You do need to formulate your questions more carefully.

No, the question was perfectly formulated.
So you don\'t understand why it wasn\'t. No surprise there.
2. How many miles PER DAY is required to add 60% more capacity in SEVEN years?

If you just upped the transmission voltage by 60%, none. The existing wires probably aren\'t well enough insulated to let you do that, but this is enough to make the point that you don\'t know what you are talking about.

LOL! Are you REALLY that stupid, Bozo? Transmission lines are designed for a specific voltage which can\'t be changed.
They are designed for a specific maximum voltage. Switching from AC to DC transmission allows you to send quite a bit more current down the same wire.
The answer is 164 MILES PER DAY! Do you see this activity taking place? I don\'t.
It happened from about 1950 to 2000 when US electricity generation levelled off - probably because you started off-shoring most of your manufacturing to China.

Then you ADMIT it is not happening TODAY, which means there IS NO PLAN to make it happen.

 

[Anthony William Sloman]

On Monday, August 22, 2022 at 8:42:27 AM UTC+10, Flyguy wrote:

On Saturday, August 20, 2022 at 9:55:41 PM UTC-7, bill....@ieee.org wrote:
On Sunday, August 21, 2022 at 8:06:38 AM UTC+10, Flyguy wrote:
On Friday, August 19, 2022 at 8:52:21 PM UTC-7, bill....@ieee.org wrote:
On Saturday, August 20, 2022 at 2:44:37 AM UTC+10, Flyguy wrote:
On Thursday, August 18, 2022 at 11:22:05 PM UTC-7, whit3rd wrote:
On Thursday, August 18, 2022 at 10:13:56 PM UTC-7, Flyguy wrote:

<snip>

> Then you ADMIT it is not happening TODAY, which means there IS NO PLAN to make it happen.

I\'m sure that the US electricity grid is being worked on today. The nature of that work won\'t have much to do with what is going to happen over the next six years, as it is adapted to dealing with more electricity generated from renewable sources (which haven\'t been built yet, at locations which have yet to be worked out) and distributed to an increasing number of electric vehicles (which haven\'t been bought yet).

https://www.energy.gov/oe/articles/doe-launches-new-initiative-president-bidens-bipartisan-infrastructure-law-modernize

does talk about the process of working out how the capacity of electricity distribution grid is going to have to be expanded - by about 60% - to cope with this.

This about as much of a plan as is worth making at the moment. Since you are an idiot, you think you can demand to see a plan that shows the fine details of what\'s going to be done six years in the future, and get upset when you can\'t find one.

--
Bill Sloman, Sydney

 

[Flyguy]

On Sunday, August 21, 2022 at 5:13:13 PM UTC-7, bill....@ieee.org wrote:

On Monday, August 22, 2022 at 8:42:27 AM UTC+10, Flyguy wrote:
On Saturday, August 20, 2022 at 9:55:41 PM UTC-7, bill....@ieee.org wrote:
On Sunday, August 21, 2022 at 8:06:38 AM UTC+10, Flyguy wrote:
On Friday, August 19, 2022 at 8:52:21 PM UTC-7, bill....@ieee.org wrote:
On Saturday, August 20, 2022 at 2:44:37 AM UTC+10, Flyguy wrote:
On Thursday, August 18, 2022 at 11:22:05 PM UTC-7, whit3rd wrote:
On Thursday, August 18, 2022 at 10:13:56 PM UTC-7, Flyguy wrote:
snip
Then you ADMIT it is not happening TODAY, which means there IS NO PLAN to make it happen.
I\'m sure that the US electricity grid is being worked on today. The nature of that work won\'t have much to do with what is going to happen over the next six years, as it is adapted to dealing with more electricity generated from renewable sources (which haven\'t been built yet, at locations which have yet to be worked out) and distributed to an increasing number of electric vehicles (which haven\'t been bought yet).

https://www.energy.gov/oe/articles/doe-launches-new-initiative-president-bidens-bipartisan-infrastructure-law-modernize

does talk about the process of working out how the capacity of electricity distribution grid is going to have to be expanded - by about 60% - to cope with this.

This about as much of a plan as is worth making at the moment. Since you are an idiot, you think you can demand to see a plan that shows the fine details of what\'s going to be done six years in the future, and get upset when you can\'t find one.

--
Bozo Bill Sloman, Sydney

Hey Bozo, I already did the numbers for you: ONE HUNDRED SIXTY FOUR MILES PER DAY to expand the grid by 60% in SEVEN YEARS! Don\'t you understand simple math - it isn\'t even algebra. Lyin\' Biden has NO PLAN to make this happen.. You have searched till you little fingers are worn to their nubs and couldn\'t find it. Electrical grids just don\'t materialize out of thin air. The libtards are going down a path leading to a DISASTER.

 

[Anthony William Sloman]

On Monday, August 22, 2022 at 3:04:37 PM UTC+10, Flyguy wrote:

On Sunday, August 21, 2022 at 5:13:13 PM UTC-7, bill....@ieee.org wrote:
On Monday, August 22, 2022 at 8:42:27 AM UTC+10, Flyguy wrote:
On Saturday, August 20, 2022 at 9:55:41 PM UTC-7, bill....@ieee.org wrote:
On Sunday, August 21, 2022 at 8:06:38 AM UTC+10, Flyguy wrote:
On Friday, August 19, 2022 at 8:52:21 PM UTC-7, bill....@ieee.org wrote:
On Saturday, August 20, 2022 at 2:44:37 AM UTC+10, Flyguy wrote:
On Thursday, August 18, 2022 at 11:22:05 PM UTC-7, whit3rd wrote:
On Thursday, August 18, 2022 at 10:13:56 PM UTC-7, Flyguy wrote:

<snip>

I\'m sure that the US electricity grid is being worked on today. The nature of that work won\'t have much to do with what is going to happen over the next six years, as it is adapted to dealing with more electricity generated from renewable sources (which haven\'t been built yet, at locations which have yet to be worked out) and distributed to an increasing number of electric vehicles (which haven\'t been bought yet).

https://www.energy.gov/oe/articles/doe-launches-new-initiative-president-bidens-bipartisan-infrastructure-law-modernize

does talk about the process of working out how the capacity of electricity distribution grid is going to have to be expanded - by about 60% - to cope with this.

This about as much of a plan as is worth making at the moment. Since you are an idiot, you think you can demand to see a plan that shows the fine details of what\'s going to be done six years in the future, and get upset when you can\'t find one.

Hey I already did the numbers for you: ONE HUNDRED SIXTY FOUR MILES PER DAY to expand the grid by 60% in SEVEN YEARS!

One hundred and sixty miles of what per day?

> Don\'t you understand simple math - it isn\'t even algebra.

It\'s barely a mantra. Math means something, and your fatuous claim means nothing.

> Joe Biden has NO PLAN to make this happen.

On the contrary he has, but they are at a higher level than you could comprehend, even if you wanted to.

> You have searched till you little fingers are worn to their nubs and couldn\'t find it.

Obviously not. It\'s little early to make that kind of plan when nobody has worked out where that extra power is actually going to be generated.

> Electrical grids just don\'t materialize out of thin air. The libtards are going down a path leading to a DISASTER.

Electrical grids exist to connect generators to consumers. The extra 60% capacity is to hook up generators that don\'t exist yet to customers who have yet to ask for the extra power. Getting frantic about the lack of detailed planning to connect generators that are barely in the planning stage with totally uncommitted potential customers may be great political theater, but it\'s still utterly stupid.

--
Bill Sloman, Sydney

 

[Flyguy]

On Sunday, August 21, 2022 at 10:23:28 PM UTC-7, bill....@ieee.org wrote:

On Monday, August 22, 2022 at 3:04:37 PM UTC+10, Flyguy wrote:
On Sunday, August 21, 2022 at 5:13:13 PM UTC-7, bill....@ieee.org wrote:
On Monday, August 22, 2022 at 8:42:27 AM UTC+10, Flyguy wrote:
On Saturday, August 20, 2022 at 9:55:41 PM UTC-7, bill....@ieee.org wrote:
On Sunday, August 21, 2022 at 8:06:38 AM UTC+10, Flyguy wrote:
On Friday, August 19, 2022 at 8:52:21 PM UTC-7, bill....@ieee.org wrote:
On Saturday, August 20, 2022 at 2:44:37 AM UTC+10, Flyguy wrote:
On Thursday, August 18, 2022 at 11:22:05 PM UTC-7, whit3rd wrote:
On Thursday, August 18, 2022 at 10:13:56 PM UTC-7, Flyguy wrote:

snip
I\'m sure that the US electricity grid is being worked on today. The nature of that work won\'t have much to do with what is going to happen over the next six years, as it is adapted to dealing with more electricity generated from renewable sources (which haven\'t been built yet, at locations which have yet to be worked out) and distributed to an increasing number of electric vehicles (which haven\'t been bought yet).

https://www.energy.gov/oe/articles/doe-launches-new-initiative-president-bidens-bipartisan-infrastructure-law-modernize

does talk about the process of working out how the capacity of electricity distribution grid is going to have to be expanded - by about 60% - to cope with this.

This about as much of a plan as is worth making at the moment. Since you are an idiot, you think you can demand to see a plan that shows the fine details of what\'s going to be done six years in the future, and get upset when you can\'t find one.

Hey I already did the numbers for you: ONE HUNDRED SIXTY FOUR MILES PER DAY to expand the grid by 60% in SEVEN YEARS!

One hundred and sixty miles of what per day?
Don\'t you understand simple math - it isn\'t even algebra.
It\'s barely a mantra. Math means something, and your fatuous claim means nothing.

Joe Biden has NO PLAN to make this happen.

On the contrary he has, but they are at a higher level than you could comprehend, even if you wanted to.

Apparently higher than what YOU can comprehend because you CAN\'T FIND THEM!

You have searched till you little fingers are worn to their nubs and couldn\'t find it.
Obviously not. It\'s little early to make that kind of plan when nobody has worked out where that extra power is actually going to be generated.

So, you are now saying that there IS NO PLAN, which is what I have been saying all along.

Electrical grids just don\'t materialize out of thin air. The libtards are going down a path leading to a DISASTER.
Electrical grids exist to connect generators to consumers. The extra 60% capacity is to hook up generators that don\'t exist yet to customers who have yet to ask for the extra power. Getting frantic about the lack of detailed planning to connect generators that are barely in the planning stage with totally uncommitted potential customers may be great political theater, but it\'s still utterly stupid.

--
Bozo Bill Sloman, Sydney

Hey Bozo, now you are making excuses for why Lyin\' Biden DOESN\'T have a plan, after you have blubbered time and time again that he DID have a plan - which IS IT??? Well, I can tell you with certainty: there IS NO PLAN!!! And that is just for the grid - there is also NO PLAN to add the generation capacity. All of this will cost TRILLIONS OF DOLLARS. You call it \"political theater,\" but when the lights go out (along with heating, cooling and refrigeration) the people will NOT accept your, and Lyin\' Biden\'s, LAME EXCUSES - you are truly a BOZO!!!!!

 

[Anthony William Sloman]

On Monday, August 22, 2022 at 3:48:06 PM UTC+10, Flyguy wrote:

On Sunday, August 21, 2022 at 10:23:28 PM UTC-7, bill....@ieee.org wrote:
On Monday, August 22, 2022 at 3:04:37 PM UTC+10, Flyguy wrote:
On Sunday, August 21, 2022 at 5:13:13 PM UTC-7, bill....@ieee.org wrote:
On Monday, August 22, 2022 at 8:42:27 AM UTC+10, Flyguy wrote:
On Saturday, August 20, 2022 at 9:55:41 PM UTC-7, bill....@ieee.org wrote:
On Sunday, August 21, 2022 at 8:06:38 AM UTC+10, Flyguy wrote:
On Friday, August 19, 2022 at 8:52:21 PM UTC-7, bill....@ieee.org wrote:
On Saturday, August 20, 2022 at 2:44:37 AM UTC+10, Flyguy wrote:
On Thursday, August 18, 2022 at 11:22:05 PM UTC-7, whit3rd wrote:
On Thursday, August 18, 2022 at 10:13:56 PM UTC-7, Flyguy wrote:

<snip>

> Hey, now you are making excuses for why Joe Biden DOESN\'T have a plan, after you have blubbered time and time again that he DID have a plan - which IS IT???

He does have a plan, but not the kind which fits your unrealistic expectation.

> Well, I can tell you with certainty: there IS NO PLAN!!!

Of course you can. You are an idiot who is confident that he understands stuff that he hasn\'t got a clue about. Your opinion is worthless, but you are incapable of realising just how worthless it is.

> And that is just for the grid - there is also NO PLAN to add the generation capacity. All of this will cost TRILLIONS OF DOLLARS.

As if you\'d know.

> You call it \"political theater,\" but when the lights go out (along with heating, cooling and refrigeration) the people will NOT accept your, and Joe Biden\'s, LAME EXCUSES.

Let\'s wait until the light actually go out before we got too excited.

https://www.energy.gov/oe/articles/doe-launches-new-initiative-president-bidens-bipartisan-infrastructure-law-modernize does suggest that

does suggest that the US Federal government is aware that it needs to do some work on the electricity generating and distribution system.

You don\'t seem to trust the plan, but the current US administration is run by Democrats, and it seems unlikely that you could ever think that they could do anything right.

--
Bill Sloman, Sydney

 

[Flyguy]

On Sunday, August 21, 2022 at 11:17:40 PM UTC-7, bill....@ieee.org wrote:

On Monday, August 22, 2022 at 3:48:06 PM UTC+10, Flyguy wrote:
On Sunday, August 21, 2022 at 10:23:28 PM UTC-7, bill....@ieee.org wrote:
On Monday, August 22, 2022 at 3:04:37 PM UTC+10, Flyguy wrote:
On Sunday, August 21, 2022 at 5:13:13 PM UTC-7, bill....@ieee.org wrote:
On Monday, August 22, 2022 at 8:42:27 AM UTC+10, Flyguy wrote:
On Saturday, August 20, 2022 at 9:55:41 PM UTC-7, bill....@ieee..org wrote:
On Sunday, August 21, 2022 at 8:06:38 AM UTC+10, Flyguy wrote:
On Friday, August 19, 2022 at 8:52:21 PM UTC-7, bill....@ieee.org wrote:
On Saturday, August 20, 2022 at 2:44:37 AM UTC+10, Flyguy wrote:
On Thursday, August 18, 2022 at 11:22:05 PM UTC-7, whit3rd wrote:
On Thursday, August 18, 2022 at 10:13:56 PM UTC-7, Flyguy wrote:

snip
Hey, now you are making excuses for why Joe Biden DOESN\'T have a plan, after you have blubbered time and time again that he DID have a plan - which IS IT???

He does have a plan, but not the kind which fits your unrealistic expectation.

No, Lyin\' Biden has no plan and you have been unable to find it despite your desperate searching. A plan spells out how the grid will be expanded by 60% in SEVEN YEARS, step by step, and WHERE the money will come from, and HOW MUCH it will cost. Lyin\' Biden has done NONE of these things.

Well, I can tell you with certainty: there IS NO PLAN!!!
Of course you can. You are an idiot who is confident that he understands stuff that he hasn\'t got a clue about. Your opinion is worthless, but you are incapable of realising just how worthless it is.

No, YOU are the idiot who continues to say there is a plan but can\'t PRODUCE IT! My opinion counts MORE than yours because I am a US citizen.

And that is just for the grid - there is also NO PLAN to add the generation capacity. All of this will cost TRILLIONS OF DOLLARS.
As if you\'d know.

I have produced MULTIPLE estimates of this figure by acknowledged EXPERTS, you fool.

You call it \"political theater,\" but when the lights go out (along with heating, cooling and refrigeration) the people will NOT accept your, and Joe Biden\'s, LAME EXCUSES.

Let\'s wait until the light actually go out before we got too excited.

LOL! The lights have ALREADY gone out - numerous times, you IDIOT!

https://www.energy.gov/oe/articles/doe-launches-new-initiative-president-bidens-bipartisan-infrastructure-law-modernize does suggest that

does suggest that the US Federal government is aware that it needs to do some work on the electricity generating and distribution system.

Being \"aware\" of a problem IS NOT a PLAN! If you fall off a cliff you are \"aware\" that you have a problem.

You don\'t seem to trust the plan, but the current US administration is run by Democrats, and it seems unlikely that you could ever think that they could do anything right.

There IS NO PLAN to trust, you fool, and you have been unable to product it..

 

[Anthony William Sloman]

On Wednesday, August 24, 2022 at 2:30:21 PM UTC+10, Flyguy wrote:

On Sunday, August 21, 2022 at 11:17:40 PM UTC-7, bill....@ieee.org wrote:
On Monday, August 22, 2022 at 3:48:06 PM UTC+10, Flyguy wrote:
On Sunday, August 21, 2022 at 10:23:28 PM UTC-7, bill....@ieee.org wrote:
On Monday, August 22, 2022 at 3:04:37 PM UTC+10, Flyguy wrote:
On Sunday, August 21, 2022 at 5:13:13 PM UTC-7, bill....@ieee.org wrote:
On Monday, August 22, 2022 at 8:42:27 AM UTC+10, Flyguy wrote:
On Saturday, August 20, 2022 at 9:55:41 PM UTC-7, bill....@ieee.org wrote:
On Sunday, August 21, 2022 at 8:06:38 AM UTC+10, Flyguy wrote:
On Friday, August 19, 2022 at 8:52:21 PM UTC-7, bill....@ieee.org wrote:
On Saturday, August 20, 2022 at 2:44:37 AM UTC+10, Flyguy wrote:
On Thursday, August 18, 2022 at 11:22:05 PM UTC-7, whit3rd wrote:
On Thursday, August 18, 2022 at 10:13:56 PM UTC-7, Flyguy wrote:

snip
Hey, now you are making excuses for why Joe Biden DOESN\'T have a plan, after you have blubbered time and time again that he DID have a plan - which IS IT???

He does have a plan, but not the kind which fits your unrealistic expectation.

No,Joe Biden has no plan and you have been unable to find it despite your desperate searching.

What you are saying is that you don\'t want to admit that he does have plan, because he is a Democrat.

> A plan spells out how the grid will be expanded by 60% in SEVEN YEARS, step by step, and WHERE the money will come from, and HOW MUCH it will cost. Joe Biden has done NONE of these things.

It has to do that eventually, but you first have to work where the grid will be expanded, but we don\'t yet know where the new generating capacity is going to be installed. Detailing where and how the grid has to be expanded to cope with it at this stage is consequently a little difficult.

Well, I can tell you with certainty: there IS NO PLAN!!!

Of course you can. You are an idiot who is confident that he understands stuff that he hasn\'t got a clue about. Your opinion is worthless, but you are incapable of realising just how worthless it is.

No, YOU are the idiot who continues to say there is a plan but can\'t PRODUCE IT!

As if you\'d be willing to recognise any plan that the Democrats might produce.

> My opinion counts MORE than yours because I am a US citizen.

Actually less, because you are a complete idiot, and much too dumb to realise how idiotic you actually are.

And that is just for the grid - there is also NO PLAN to add the generation capacity. All of this will cost TRILLIONS OF DOLLARS.

As if you\'d know.

I have produced MULTIPLE estimates of this figure by acknowledged EXPERTS, you fool.

So post a link to one of them. All you have produced so far is claims that such estimates exist, and your capacity for misunderstanding data as supporting you own point of view is well known

You call it \"political theater,\" but when the lights go out (along with heating, cooling and refrigeration) the people will NOT accept your, and Joe Biden\'s, LAME EXCUSES.

Let\'s wait until the light actually go out before we got too excited.

LOL! The lights have ALREADY gone out - numerous times, you IDIOT!

But not for reasons that have anything to do with your imagined emergency.

https://www.energy.gov/oe/articles/doe-launches-new-initiative-president-bidens-bipartisan-infrastructure-law-modernize does suggest that

does suggest that the US Federal government is aware that it needs to do some work on the electricity generating and distribution system.

Being \"aware\" of a problem IS NOT a PLAN! If you fall off a cliff you are \"aware\" that you have a problem.

You don\'t seem to be \"falling off any kind of cliff\" at the moment,

You don\'t seem to trust the plan, but the current US administration is run by Democrats, and it seems unlikely that you could ever think that they could do anything right.

There IS NO PLAN to trust, you fool, and you have been unable to produce it.

None that you are willing to recognise as any kind of plan. You want to post hysterical anti-democrat nonsense, and being a lunatic alarmist lets you do that.
If you had any grasp of reality you\'d be aware that you are portraying yourself as a complete twit, but a complete twit wouldn\'t care about that.

--
Bill Sloman, Sydney

 

[Flyguy]

On Tuesday, August 23, 2022 at 10:58:09 PM UTC-7, bill....@ieee.org wrote:

On Wednesday, August 24, 2022 at 2:30:21 PM UTC+10, Flyguy wrote:
On Sunday, August 21, 2022 at 11:17:40 PM UTC-7, bill....@ieee.org wrote:
On Monday, August 22, 2022 at 3:48:06 PM UTC+10, Flyguy wrote:
On Sunday, August 21, 2022 at 10:23:28 PM UTC-7, bill....@ieee.org wrote:
On Monday, August 22, 2022 at 3:04:37 PM UTC+10, Flyguy wrote:
On Sunday, August 21, 2022 at 5:13:13 PM UTC-7, bill....@ieee.org wrote:
On Monday, August 22, 2022 at 8:42:27 AM UTC+10, Flyguy wrote:
On Saturday, August 20, 2022 at 9:55:41 PM UTC-7, bill....@ieee.org wrote:
On Sunday, August 21, 2022 at 8:06:38 AM UTC+10, Flyguy wrote:
On Friday, August 19, 2022 at 8:52:21 PM UTC-7, bill.....@ieee.org wrote:
On Saturday, August 20, 2022 at 2:44:37 AM UTC+10, Flyguy wrote:
On Thursday, August 18, 2022 at 11:22:05 PM UTC-7, whit3rd wrote:
On Thursday, August 18, 2022 at 10:13:56 PM UTC-7, Flyguy wrote:

snip
Hey, now you are making excuses for why Joe Biden DOESN\'T have a plan, after you have blubbered time and time again that he DID have a plan - which IS IT???

He does have a plan, but not the kind which fits your unrealistic expectation.

No,Joe Biden has no plan and you have been unable to find it despite your desperate searching.

What you are saying is that you don\'t want to admit that he does have plan, because he is a Democrat.

A plan spells out how the grid will be expanded by 60% in SEVEN YEARS, step by step, and WHERE the money will come from, and HOW MUCH it will cost.. Joe Biden has done NONE of these things.

It has to do that eventually, but you first have to work where the grid will be expanded, but we don\'t yet know where the new generating capacity is going to be installed. Detailing where and how the grid has to be expanded to cope with it at this stage is consequently a little difficult.
Well, I can tell you with certainty: there IS NO PLAN!!!

Of course you can. You are an idiot who is confident that he understands stuff that he hasn\'t got a clue about. Your opinion is worthless, but you are incapable of realising just how worthless it is.

No, YOU are the idiot who continues to say there is a plan but can\'t PRODUCE IT!
As if you\'d be willing to recognise any plan that the Democrats might produce.
My opinion counts MORE than yours because I am a US citizen.
Actually less, because you are a complete idiot, and much too dumb to realise how idiotic you actually are.
And that is just for the grid - there is also NO PLAN to add the generation capacity. All of this will cost TRILLIONS OF DOLLARS.

As if you\'d know.

I have produced MULTIPLE estimates of this figure by acknowledged EXPERTS, you fool.
So post a link to one of them. All you have produced so far is claims that such estimates exist, and your capacity for misunderstanding data as supporting you own point of view is well known
You call it \"political theater,\" but when the lights go out (along with heating, cooling and refrigeration) the people will NOT accept your, and Joe Biden\'s, LAME EXCUSES.

Let\'s wait until the light actually go out before we got too excited.

LOL! The lights have ALREADY gone out - numerous times, you IDIOT!
But not for reasons that have anything to do with your imagined emergency..
https://www.energy.gov/oe/articles/doe-launches-new-initiative-president-bidens-bipartisan-infrastructure-law-modernize does suggest that

does suggest that the US Federal government is aware that it needs to do some work on the electricity generating and distribution system.

Being \"aware\" of a problem IS NOT a PLAN! If you fall off a cliff you are \"aware\" that you have a problem.
You don\'t seem to be \"falling off any kind of cliff\" at the moment,

I\'m not, but the nation IS!

You don\'t seem to trust the plan, but the current US administration is run by Democrats, and it seems unlikely that you could ever think that they could do anything right.

There IS NO PLAN to trust, you fool, and you have been unable to produce it.

None that you are willing to recognise as any kind of plan. You want to post hysterical anti-democrat nonsense, and being a lunatic alarmist lets you do that.

Translation: there IS NO PLAN to expand the grid by 60% in SEVEN YEARS. Got it...

> If you had any grasp of reality you\'d be aware that you are portraying yourself as a complete twit, but a complete twit wouldn\'t care about that.

No, Bozo, YOU are portraying yourself as a COMPLETE TWIT by claiming there is a plan when there ISN\'T!

 

[Anthony William Sloman]

On Thursday, August 25, 2022 at 9:34:41 AM UTC+10, Flyguy wrote:

On Tuesday, August 23, 2022 at 10:58:09 PM UTC-7, bill....@ieee.org wrote:
On Wednesday, August 24, 2022 at 2:30:21 PM UTC+10, Flyguy wrote:
On Sunday, August 21, 2022 at 11:17:40 PM UTC-7, bill....@ieee.org wrote:
On Monday, August 22, 2022 at 3:48:06 PM UTC+10, Flyguy wrote:
On Sunday, August 21, 2022 at 10:23:28 PM UTC-7, bill....@ieee.org wrote:
On Monday, August 22, 2022 at 3:04:37 PM UTC+10, Flyguy wrote:
On Sunday, August 21, 2022 at 5:13:13 PM UTC-7, bill....@ieee..org wrote:
On Monday, August 22, 2022 at 8:42:27 AM UTC+10, Flyguy wrote:
On Saturday, August 20, 2022 at 9:55:41 PM UTC-7, bill.....@ieee.org wrote:
On Sunday, August 21, 2022 at 8:06:38 AM UTC+10, Flyguy wrote:
On Friday, August 19, 2022 at 8:52:21 PM UTC-7, bill.....@ieee.org wrote:
On Saturday, August 20, 2022 at 2:44:37 AM UTC+10, Flyguy wrote:
On Thursday, August 18, 2022 at 11:22:05 PM UTC-7, whit3rd wrote:
On Thursday, August 18, 2022 at 10:13:56 PM UTC-7, Flyguy wrote:

snip
Hey, now you are making excuses for why Joe Biden DOESN\'T have a plan, after you have blubbered time and time again that he DID have a plan - which IS IT???

He does have a plan, but not the kind which fits your unrealistic expectation.

No,Joe Biden has no plan and you have been unable to find it despite your desperate searching.

What you are saying is that you don\'t want to admit that he does have plan, because he is a Democrat.

A plan spells out how the grid will be expanded by 60% in SEVEN YEARS, step by step, and WHERE the money will come from, and HOW MUCH it will cost. Joe Biden has done NONE of these things.

It has to do that eventually, but you first have to work where the grid will be expanded, but we don\'t yet know where the new generating capacity is going to be installed. Detailing where and how the grid has to be expanded to cope with it at this stage is consequently a little difficult.

Well, I can tell you with certainty: there IS NO PLAN!!!

Of course you can. You are an idiot who is confident that he understands stuff that he hasn\'t got a clue about. Your opinion is worthless, but you are incapable of realising just how worthless it is.

No, YOU are the idiot who continues to say there is a plan but can\'t PRODUCE IT!
As if you\'d be willing to recognise any plan that the Democrats might produce.
My opinion counts MORE than yours because I am a US citizen.
Actually less, because you are a complete idiot, and much too dumb to realise how idiotic you actually are.
And that is just for the grid - there is also NO PLAN to add the generation capacity. All of this will cost TRILLIONS OF DOLLARS.

As if you\'d know.

I have produced MULTIPLE estimates of this figure by acknowledged EXPERTS, you fool.

So post a link to one of them. All you have produced so far is claims that such estimates exist, and your capacity for misunderstanding data as supporting you own point of view is well known.

You call it \"political theater,\" but when the lights go out (along with heating, cooling and refrigeration) the people will NOT accept your, and Joe Biden\'s, LAME EXCUSES.

Let\'s wait until the light actually go out before we got too excited.

LOL! The lights have ALREADY gone out - numerous times, you IDIOT!

But not for reasons that have anything to do with your imagined emergency.

https://www.energy.gov/oe/articles/doe-launches-new-initiative-president-bidens-bipartisan-infrastructure-law-modernize does suggest that

does suggest that the US Federal government is aware that it needs to do some work on the electricity generating and distribution system.

Being \"aware\" of a problem IS NOT a PLAN! If you fall off a cliff you are \"aware\" that you have a problem.

You don\'t seem to be \"falling off any kind of cliff\" at the moment.

I\'m not, but the nation IS!

Ask any alarmist idiot with no grasp of reality.

You don\'t seem to trust the plan, but the current US administration is run by Democrats, and it seems unlikely that you could ever think that they could do anything right.

There IS NO PLAN to trust, you fool, and you have been unable to produce it.

None that you are willing to recognise as any kind of plan. You want to post hysterical anti-democrat nonsense, and being a lunatic alarmist lets you do that.

Translation: there IS NO PLAN to expand the grid by 60% in SEVEN YEARS. Got it...

Gnatguy has this habit of posting fatuous lies and calling them \"translations\". What he\'s like the statements to mean, rather than what they actually mean.

If you had any grasp of reality you\'d be aware that you are portraying yourself as a complete twit, but a complete twit wouldn\'t care about that.

No, YOU are portraying yourself as a COMPLETE TWIT by claiming there is a plan when there ISN\'T!

Gnatguy in denial, as always.

--
Bill Sloman, Sydney

 

[Flyguy]

On Wednesday, August 24, 2022 at 5:42:36 PM UTC-7, bill....@ieee.org wrote:

On Thursday, August 25, 2022 at 9:34:41 AM UTC+10, Flyguy wrote:
On Tuesday, August 23, 2022 at 10:58:09 PM UTC-7, bill....@ieee.org wrote:
On Wednesday, August 24, 2022 at 2:30:21 PM UTC+10, Flyguy wrote:
On Sunday, August 21, 2022 at 11:17:40 PM UTC-7, bill....@ieee.org wrote:
On Monday, August 22, 2022 at 3:48:06 PM UTC+10, Flyguy wrote:
On Sunday, August 21, 2022 at 10:23:28 PM UTC-7, bill....@ieee.org wrote:
On Monday, August 22, 2022 at 3:04:37 PM UTC+10, Flyguy wrote:
On Sunday, August 21, 2022 at 5:13:13 PM UTC-7, bill....@ieee.org wrote:
On Monday, August 22, 2022 at 8:42:27 AM UTC+10, Flyguy wrote:
On Saturday, August 20, 2022 at 9:55:41 PM UTC-7, bill.....@ieee.org wrote:
On Sunday, August 21, 2022 at 8:06:38 AM UTC+10, Flyguy wrote:
On Friday, August 19, 2022 at 8:52:21 PM UTC-7, bill....@ieee.org wrote:
On Saturday, August 20, 2022 at 2:44:37 AM UTC+10, Flyguy wrote:
On Thursday, August 18, 2022 at 11:22:05 PM UTC-7, whit3rd wrote:
On Thursday, August 18, 2022 at 10:13:56 PM UTC-7, Flyguy wrote:

snip
Hey, now you are making excuses for why Joe Biden DOESN\'T have a plan, after you have blubbered time and time again that he DID have a plan - which IS IT???

He does have a plan, but not the kind which fits your unrealistic expectation.

No,Joe Biden has no plan and you have been unable to find it despite your desperate searching.

What you are saying is that you don\'t want to admit that he does have plan, because he is a Democrat.

A plan spells out how the grid will be expanded by 60% in SEVEN YEARS, step by step, and WHERE the money will come from, and HOW MUCH it will cost. Joe Biden has done NONE of these things.

It has to do that eventually, but you first have to work where the grid will be expanded, but we don\'t yet know where the new generating capacity is going to be installed. Detailing where and how the grid has to be expanded to cope with it at this stage is consequently a little difficult.

Well, I can tell you with certainty: there IS NO PLAN!!!

Of course you can. You are an idiot who is confident that he understands stuff that he hasn\'t got a clue about. Your opinion is worthless, but you are incapable of realising just how worthless it is.

No, YOU are the idiot who continues to say there is a plan but can\'t PRODUCE IT!
As if you\'d be willing to recognise any plan that the Democrats might produce.
My opinion counts MORE than yours because I am a US citizen.
Actually less, because you are a complete idiot, and much too dumb to realise how idiotic you actually are.
And that is just for the grid - there is also NO PLAN to add the generation capacity. All of this will cost TRILLIONS OF DOLLARS.

As if you\'d know.

I have produced MULTIPLE estimates of this figure by acknowledged EXPERTS, you fool.

So post a link to one of them. All you have produced so far is claims that such estimates exist, and your capacity for misunderstanding data as supporting you own point of view is well known.

You call it \"political theater,\" but when the lights go out (along with heating, cooling and refrigeration) the people will NOT accept your, and Joe Biden\'s, LAME EXCUSES.

Let\'s wait until the light actually go out before we got too excited.

LOL! The lights have ALREADY gone out - numerous times, you IDIOT!

But not for reasons that have anything to do with your imagined emergency.

https://www.energy.gov/oe/articles/doe-launches-new-initiative-president-bidens-bipartisan-infrastructure-law-modernize does suggest that

does suggest that the US Federal government is aware that it needs to do some work on the electricity generating and distribution system.

Being \"aware\" of a problem IS NOT a PLAN! If you fall off a cliff you are \"aware\" that you have a problem.

You don\'t seem to be \"falling off any kind of cliff\" at the moment.

I\'m not, but the nation IS!
Ask any alarmist idiot with no grasp of reality.
You don\'t seem to trust the plan, but the current US administration is run by Democrats, and it seems unlikely that you could ever think that they could do anything right.

There IS NO PLAN to trust, you fool, and you have been unable to produce it.

None that you are willing to recognise as any kind of plan. You want to post hysterical anti-democrat nonsense, and being a lunatic alarmist lets you do that.

Translation: there IS NO PLAN to expand the grid by 60% in SEVEN YEARS. Got it...
Gnatguy has this habit of posting fatuous lies and calling them \"translations\". What he\'s like the statements to mean, rather than what they actually mean.
If you had any grasp of reality you\'d be aware that you are portraying yourself as a complete twit, but a complete twit wouldn\'t care about that..
No, YOU are portraying yourself as a COMPLETE TWIT by claiming there is a plan when there ISN\'T!

Gnatguy in denial, as always.

More DENIAL and DEFLECTION by the Bozo Man, but NO FUCKING PLAN!

Hey Bozo, SHOW US THE PLAN or SHUT UP!!!!!!!

 

[Anthony William Sloman]

On Thursday, August 25, 2022 at 11:46:58 AM UTC+10, Flyguy wrote:

On Wednesday, August 24, 2022 at 5:42:36 PM UTC-7, bill....@ieee.org wrote:
On Thursday, August 25, 2022 at 9:34:41 AM UTC+10, Flyguy wrote:
On Tuesday, August 23, 2022 at 10:58:09 PM UTC-7, bill....@ieee.org wrote:
On Wednesday, August 24, 2022 at 2:30:21 PM UTC+10, Flyguy wrote:
On Sunday, August 21, 2022 at 11:17:40 PM UTC-7, bill....@ieee.org wrote:
On Monday, August 22, 2022 at 3:48:06 PM UTC+10, Flyguy wrote:
On Sunday, August 21, 2022 at 10:23:28 PM UTC-7, bill....@ieee.org wrote:
On Monday, August 22, 2022 at 3:04:37 PM UTC+10, Flyguy wrote:
On Sunday, August 21, 2022 at 5:13:13 PM UTC-7, bill....@ieee.org wrote:
On Monday, August 22, 2022 at 8:42:27 AM UTC+10, Flyguy wrote:
On Saturday, August 20, 2022 at 9:55:41 PM UTC-7, bill....@ieee.org wrote:
On Sunday, August 21, 2022 at 8:06:38 AM UTC+10, Flyguy wrote:
On Friday, August 19, 2022 at 8:52:21 PM UTC-7, bill....@ieee.org wrote:
On Saturday, August 20, 2022 at 2:44:37 AM UTC+10, Flyguy wrote:
On Thursday, August 18, 2022 at 11:22:05 PM UTC-7, whit3rd wrote:
On Thursday, August 18, 2022 at 10:13:56 PM UTC-7, Flyguy wrote:

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Gnatguy in denial, as always.

More DENIAL and DEFLECTION by the Bozo Man, but NO FUCKING PLAN!

Hey, SHOW US THE PLAN or SHUT UP!!!!!!!

We did, and you refuse to recognise it as a plan. Why would you? You want to post nonsensical anti-Democrat propaganda, and you can do pig-ignorance and incomprehension very convincingly, probably because you are pig-ignorant and capable of comprehending very little indeed.

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Bill Sloman, Sydney

 

[Flyguy]

On Wednesday, August 24, 2022 at 7:17:13 PM UTC-7, bill....@ieee.org wrote:

On Thursday, August 25, 2022 at 11:46:58 AM UTC+10, Flyguy wrote:
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On Saturday, August 20, 2022 at 2:44:37 AM UTC+10, Flyguy wrote:
On Thursday, August 18, 2022 at 11:22:05 PM UTC-7, whit3rd wrote:
On Thursday, August 18, 2022 at 10:13:56 PM UTC-7, Flyguy wrote:

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Gnatguy in denial, as always.

More DENIAL and DEFLECTION by the Bozo Man, but NO FUCKING PLAN!

Hey, SHOW US THE PLAN or SHUT UP!!!!!!!

We did, and you refuse to recognise it as a plan. Why would you? You want to post nonsensical anti-Democrat propaganda, and you can do pig-ignorance and incomprehension very convincingly, probably because you are pig-ignorant and capable of comprehending very little indeed.

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Bozo Bill Sloman, Sydney

No, Bozo, that IS NOT a plan to EXPAND the grid by 60% in seven years. Not even close. The electrical grid is APOLITICAL: electricity knows no party, and a blackout affect Republicans, Democrats and Independents EQUALLY.

And this is just PART of the BAD NEWS - see my latest post on grid (non)maintence.

 

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GnatTurd <Maggot2morrow@yahoo.com> wrote in news:a6ac68d5-d225-46f9-
ad9a-b0efd991bcban@googlegroups.com:

> and a blackout affect Republicans,

Blackouts are an illicit money grab ploy. Nothing more. They have the
capacity to provide full time.

Examine the Enron debacle and SDGE\'s parent company, Sempra Energy.
Criminally negligent was the finding, but no criminal charges.

Par for the course with ReThugLeTard violators of the law.