Stalled EV...

[Ricky]

On Monday, May 1, 2023 at 3:55:44 PM UTC-4, Ed Lee wrote:

On Monday, May 1, 2023 at 12:44:08 PM UTC-7, Ricky wrote:
On Monday, May 1, 2023 at 3:37:40 PM UTC-4, Ed Lee wrote:
On Monday, May 1, 2023 at 12:26:31 PM UTC-7, Ricky wrote:
On Monday, May 1, 2023 at 1:46:48 PM UTC-4, Ed Lee wrote:
On Monday, May 1, 2023 at 9:21:21 AM UTC-7, John Larkin wrote:
On Sun, 30 Apr 2023 18:47:58 -0700 (PDT), Flyguy
soar2...@yahoo.com> wrote:

On Thursday, April 27, 2023 at 7:33:51?AM UTC-7, Ed Lee wrote:
On Thursday, April 27, 2023 at 5:32:38?AM UTC-7, Fred Bloggs wrote:
On Wednesday, April 26, 2023 at 8:30:26?PM UTC-4, Ricky wrote:
On Wednesday, April 26, 2023 at 4:59:25?PM UTC-4, Fred Bloggs wrote:
On Wednesday, April 26, 2023 at 11:24:30?AM UTC-4, Dean Hoffman wrote:
The first link is to a story about a tow truck driver towing his first EV.
This EV driver would\'ve been ok if he had a hybrid.
https://ijr.com/californian-learns-brutal-lesson-evs-stranded-truck-hauled/
Here\'s a Consumer Reports article about hybrids.
https://www.consumerreports.org/cars/hybrids-evs/how-do-hybrid-cars-work-a1034181509/
I wouldn\'t want an EV just because they\'re something relatively new. There are bugs to be worked out over time. People won\'t necessarily use them the way designers think they will be.
That was the driver\'s stupidity and not the EV. Of course the right wingnut press loves to jump on a story about a renewable failure. Was the driver so stupid he thought a mile on the flat is the same as mile with a 7% incline? Sounds like it. Google maps could compute the kWh for his exact route with pretty good accuracy if they had that capability. I haven\'t heard anything about it- yet.
Google pretty much sucks when it comes to planning a BEV trip. Very inadequate. Tesla, on the other hand, uses the Google map data and does a very good job of it. If you simply want to find chargers, Plugshare is pretty good. ABRP (a better route planner) does a better job than Tesla, in some ways. Tesla only (relatively) recently added waypoints, but still sucks for \"what if\" analysis. ABRP is probably still the best tool over all, but being built into the car is an advantage which is hard to beat.
a
If Tesla would fix their GD browser, so it doesn\'t crash every five minutes, crashing the display computer with it, you could run ABRP in the car and have the best of both worlds.
I\'m talking about using the exact model of EV to incrementally compute and integrate the kWh expenditure at posted speed along the prospective route from origin to destination, with possible stop offs at recharging stations. These other products, especially Tesla, are complete amateurs compared to what google could do. Maybe they don\'t want to contribute to people squandering energy on joy rides, or something.
For such long trip in EV desert, I would carry a generator. In fact, I have a new (never used) one for years, just for emergency. The problem is that once used, I have to keep using it couple of time per month, to keep it in working order. I wonder if it\'s better to disassembly and clean the gasket after every use.

Oh, the IRONY of it all! You buy an EV to divorce yourself from fossil fuels and you end up carrying both the fuel and an ICE to bail yourself out. You still haven\'t cut the apron strings.
An EV isn\'t transport, it\'s a hobby.
Well, it\'s an experience. Take 30 minutes at a Nissan dealer to free charge the Leaf, free half-charge my laptop and chatting on SED, 2 cups of free capucinno and 1free rest room visit. If Tesla dealer can match that, perhaps I\'ll switch. But first, need to find a Tesla dealer.
How about one of the many Superchargers that will charge the same kWh in a third of the time?
Many of them are free, including this one. I think it was free before, after hour, without salesman to punch in.
They say time is money, but clearly your time is less valuable than a cup of coffee if you are happy spending a half hour to get a cup and 50 miles of driving. Your average speed is probably faster than a walk... well, at least a bit faster.
I only need to do long distance couple of time a year. Very often, i just use the Tracy Nissan several times a day FREE, plus CalTran 30 miles south on I-5.
Who cares? I get my Supercharging for free, simply because I bought my car early, when Tesla had promotions, shortly before the model 3 ramp up. Fine, but it\'s not that big of a deal. If my choice was to pay for topping off in 10 or 15 minutes at a Supercharger, or free charging at a level 2 charger, I\'d go for the Supercharging any day of the week. Some people just don\'t have anything better to do than wait for their socks to dry or their cars to charge.

When I talk to people about BEVs, I try to hide the fact that I know of you or anyone like you. But then, there are people who make their own biodiesel and emit french fry smells as they drive.
I know. You are not the typical Tesla driver. Typical Tesla drivers need to pay and they keep clogging up public chargers.

Yeah, it\'s silly of BEV owners to charge their cars. That\'s something you do a lot less. You just sign up for another towing policy.

--

Rick C.

+--- Get 1,000 miles of free Supercharging
+--- Tesla referral code - https://ts.la/richard11209

 

[Ricky]

On Monday, May 1, 2023 at 5:53:44 PM UTC-4, Ed Lee wrote:

On Monday, May 1, 2023 at 1:08:51 PM UTC-7, Ed Lee wrote:
On Monday, May 1, 2023 at 1:03:54 PM UTC-7, John Larkin wrote:
On Mon, 1 May 2023 12:37:36 -0700 (PDT), Ed Lee
edward....@gmail.com> wrote:

On Monday, May 1, 2023 at 12:26:31?PM UTC-7, Ricky wrote:
On Monday, May 1, 2023 at 1:46:48?PM UTC-4, Ed Lee wrote:
On Monday, May 1, 2023 at 9:21:21?AM UTC-7, John Larkin wrote:
On Sun, 30 Apr 2023 18:47:58 -0700 (PDT), Flyguy
soar2...@yahoo.com> wrote:

On Thursday, April 27, 2023 at 7:33:51?AM UTC-7, Ed Lee wrote:
On Thursday, April 27, 2023 at 5:32:38?AM UTC-7, Fred Bloggs wrote:
On Wednesday, April 26, 2023 at 8:30:26?PM UTC-4, Ricky wrote:
On Wednesday, April 26, 2023 at 4:59:25?PM UTC-4, Fred Bloggs wrote:
On Wednesday, April 26, 2023 at 11:24:30?AM UTC-4, Dean Hoffman wrote:
The first link is to a story about a tow truck driver towing his first EV.
This EV driver would\'ve been ok if he had a hybrid.
https://ijr.com/californian-learns-brutal-lesson-evs-stranded-truck-hauled/
Here\'s a Consumer Reports article about hybrids.
https://www.consumerreports.org/cars/hybrids-evs/how-do-hybrid-cars-work-a1034181509/
I wouldn\'t want an EV just because they\'re something relatively new. There are bugs to be worked out over time. People won\'t necessarily use them the way designers think they will be.
That was the driver\'s stupidity and not the EV. Of course the right wingnut press loves to jump on a story about a renewable failure. Was the driver so stupid he thought a mile on the flat is the same as mile with a 7% incline? Sounds like it. Google maps could compute the kWh for his exact route with pretty good accuracy if they had that capability. I haven\'t heard anything about it- yet.
Google pretty much sucks when it comes to planning a BEV trip. Very inadequate. Tesla, on the other hand, uses the Google map data and does a very good job of it. If you simply want to find chargers, Plugshare is pretty good. ABRP (a better route planner) does a better job than Tesla, in some ways. Tesla only (relatively) recently added waypoints, but still sucks for \"what if\" analysis. ABRP is probably still the best tool over all, but being built into the car is an advantage which is hard to beat.
a
If Tesla would fix their GD browser, so it doesn\'t crash every five minutes, crashing the display computer with it, you could run ABRP in the car and have the best of both worlds.
I\'m talking about using the exact model of EV to incrementally compute and integrate the kWh expenditure at posted speed along the prospective route from origin to destination, with possible stop offs at recharging stations. These other products, especially Tesla, are complete amateurs compared to what google could do. Maybe they don\'t want to contribute to people squandering energy on joy rides, or something.
For such long trip in EV desert, I would carry a generator. In fact, I have a new (never used) one for years, just for emergency. The problem is that once used, I have to keep using it couple of time per month, to keep it in working order. I wonder if it\'s better to disassembly and clean the gasket after every use.

Oh, the IRONY of it all! You buy an EV to divorce yourself from fossil fuels and you end up carrying both the fuel and an ICE to bail yourself out. You still haven\'t cut the apron strings.
An EV isn\'t transport, it\'s a hobby.
Well, it\'s an experience. Take 30 minutes at a Nissan dealer to free charge the Leaf, free half-charge my laptop and chatting on SED, 2 cups of free capucinno and 1free rest room visit. If Tesla dealer can match that, perhaps I\'ll switch. But first, need to find a Tesla dealer.
How about one of the many Superchargers that will charge the same kWh in a third of the time?

Many of them are free, including this one. I think it was free before, after hour, without salesman to punch in.

They say time is money, but clearly your time is less valuable than a cup of coffee if you are happy spending a half hour to get a cup and 50 miles of driving. Your average speed is probably faster than a walk... well, at least a bit faster.

I only need to do long distance couple of time a year. Very often, i just use the Tracy Nissan several times a day FREE, plus CalTran 30 miles south on I-5.
What is all this FREE, FREE, FREE stuff about?
To make up for the PAY, PAY, PAY chargers. Sometimes, they cost (50 to 60 cents per KWhr) more than gas. Average cost around $30 between SF & LA.
BTW, the up hill is very bad for the battery. It raise temp by 10C to 15C and couple of hours to cool down.

In your Leaf, which has no temperature control system. That\'s one big reason why Tesla sells so many more BEVs than Nissan. Tesla did the design right. They heat the battery when it needs it and cools it when it\'s hot. Charging is fast and cheap.


> Waiting for AAA. How much should I trip AAA driver? I gave $20 to the Good Sam driver because he was complaining about the time/cost to his office.

How about spending that money on a BEV that doesn\'t quit and leave you stranded between chargers?

It\'s insane that anyone would do what you do. Then it\'s doubling insane that you come here and brag about it. Is this your only eccentricity?

--

Rick C.

+--+ Get 1,000 miles of free Supercharging
+--+ Tesla referral code - https://ts.la/richard11209

 

[Ed Lee]

On Monday, May 1, 2023 at 5:10:50 PM UTC-7, Ricky wrote:

On Monday, May 1, 2023 at 5:53:44 PM UTC-4, Ed Lee wrote:
On Monday, May 1, 2023 at 1:08:51 PM UTC-7, Ed Lee wrote:
On Monday, May 1, 2023 at 1:03:54 PM UTC-7, John Larkin wrote:
On Mon, 1 May 2023 12:37:36 -0700 (PDT), Ed Lee
edward....@gmail.com> wrote:

On Monday, May 1, 2023 at 12:26:31?PM UTC-7, Ricky wrote:
On Monday, May 1, 2023 at 1:46:48?PM UTC-4, Ed Lee wrote:
On Monday, May 1, 2023 at 9:21:21?AM UTC-7, John Larkin wrote:
On Sun, 30 Apr 2023 18:47:58 -0700 (PDT), Flyguy
soar2...@yahoo.com> wrote:

On Thursday, April 27, 2023 at 7:33:51?AM UTC-7, Ed Lee wrote:
On Thursday, April 27, 2023 at 5:32:38?AM UTC-7, Fred Bloggs wrote:
On Wednesday, April 26, 2023 at 8:30:26?PM UTC-4, Ricky wrote:
On Wednesday, April 26, 2023 at 4:59:25?PM UTC-4, Fred Bloggs wrote:
On Wednesday, April 26, 2023 at 11:24:30?AM UTC-4, Dean Hoffman wrote:
The first link is to a story about a tow truck driver towing his first EV.
This EV driver would\'ve been ok if he had a hybrid.
https://ijr.com/californian-learns-brutal-lesson-evs-stranded-truck-hauled/
Here\'s a Consumer Reports article about hybrids.
https://www.consumerreports.org/cars/hybrids-evs/how-do-hybrid-cars-work-a1034181509/
I wouldn\'t want an EV just because they\'re something relatively new. There are bugs to be worked out over time. People won\'t necessarily use them the way designers think they will be.
That was the driver\'s stupidity and not the EV. Of course the right wingnut press loves to jump on a story about a renewable failure. Was the driver so stupid he thought a mile on the flat is the same as mile with a 7% incline? Sounds like it. Google maps could compute the kWh for his exact route with pretty good accuracy if they had that capability.. I haven\'t heard anything about it- yet.
Google pretty much sucks when it comes to planning a BEV trip. Very inadequate. Tesla, on the other hand, uses the Google map data and does a very good job of it. If you simply want to find chargers, Plugshare is pretty good. ABRP (a better route planner) does a better job than Tesla, in some ways. Tesla only (relatively) recently added waypoints, but still sucks for \"what if\" analysis. ABRP is probably still the best tool over all, but being built into the car is an advantage which is hard to beat..
a
If Tesla would fix their GD browser, so it doesn\'t crash every five minutes, crashing the display computer with it, you could run ABRP in the car and have the best of both worlds.
I\'m talking about using the exact model of EV to incrementally compute and integrate the kWh expenditure at posted speed along the prospective route from origin to destination, with possible stop offs at recharging stations. These other products, especially Tesla, are complete amateurs compared to what google could do. Maybe they don\'t want to contribute to people squandering energy on joy rides, or something.
For such long trip in EV desert, I would carry a generator. In fact, I have a new (never used) one for years, just for emergency. The problem is that once used, I have to keep using it couple of time per month, to keep it in working order. I wonder if it\'s better to disassembly and clean the gasket after every use.

Oh, the IRONY of it all! You buy an EV to divorce yourself from fossil fuels and you end up carrying both the fuel and an ICE to bail yourself out. You still haven\'t cut the apron strings.
An EV isn\'t transport, it\'s a hobby.
Well, it\'s an experience. Take 30 minutes at a Nissan dealer to free charge the Leaf, free half-charge my laptop and chatting on SED, 2 cups of free capucinno and 1free rest room visit. If Tesla dealer can match that, perhaps I\'ll switch. But first, need to find a Tesla dealer.
How about one of the many Superchargers that will charge the same kWh in a third of the time?

Many of them are free, including this one. I think it was free before, after hour, without salesman to punch in.

They say time is money, but clearly your time is less valuable than a cup of coffee if you are happy spending a half hour to get a cup and 50 miles of driving. Your average speed is probably faster than a walk... well, at least a bit faster.

I only need to do long distance couple of time a year. Very often, i just use the Tracy Nissan several times a day FREE, plus CalTran 30 miles south on I-5.
What is all this FREE, FREE, FREE stuff about?
To make up for the PAY, PAY, PAY chargers. Sometimes, they cost (50 to 60 cents per KWhr) more than gas. Average cost around $30 between SF & LA..
BTW, the up hill is very bad for the battery. It raise temp by 10C to 15C and couple of hours to cool down.
In your Leaf, which has no temperature control system. That\'s one big reason why Tesla sells so many more BEVs than Nissan. Tesla did the design right. They heat the battery when it needs it and cools it when it\'s hot. Charging is fast and cheap.
Waiting for AAA. How much should I trip AAA driver? I gave $20 to the Good Sam driver because he was complaining about the time/cost to his office..
How about spending that money on a BEV that doesn\'t quit and leave you stranded between chargers?

It\'s insane that anyone would do what you do. Then it\'s doubling insane that you come here and brag about it. Is this your only eccentricity?

Except that Tesla cost 6x more than my Leaf. And i don\'t like Tesla tracking all my trips.

 

[Flyguy]

On Thursday, April 27, 2023 at 10:30:57 AM UTC-7, Don Y wrote:

On 4/27/2023 9:34 AM, Lasse Langwadt Christensen wrote:
torsdag den 27. april 2023 kl. 07.56.23 UTC+2 skrev Don Y:
On 4/26/2023 8:24 AM, Dean Hoffman wrote:

I wouldn\'t want an EV just because they\'re something relatively new. There
are bugs to be worked out over time. People won\'t necessarily use them the
way designers think they will be.
That\'s true of all technologies -- even mature ones.

Most of the folks that I know who were \"early adopters\"
moved from Teslas to other makes/models... and then back
to ICEs. It\'s just too much \"work\" to plan how you\'re
going to use the vehicle.

OTOH, I can drive 1000 miles... and, 10 minutes later, decide
I want/need to drive 1000 more! As long as my tank will
span the largest \"expanse of desolation\" (e.g., perhaps
crossing the Navajo Nation or Death Valley), I\'m all set.

how much amphetamine do you need to make 2000 miles with out breaks?
I\'ve done that several times (no drugs)! But, I was considerably
younger. Drive 250-300 miles (so you don\'t exhaust the tank).
Pull over for gas and piss. Get back in car and do another 250-300
miles.

Boston to Chicago is only 20 hours. Comparable to going to Miami.
40 hours to Denver. About 60 to SF. And, these are somewhat leisurely
rates.

A friend has a 160G \"expansion tank\" on his truck and does the trip
to Kansas City in ~18 hours (~1200 miles and no stops) BTW, he\'s 75.

In a BEV you go 100-120 miles, hope you can find a WORKING charging station that ISN\'T occupied, put it on to charge, then hike however many miles it is to a restaurant, eat dinner, find a theater and watch a movie, then return to the charger and sleep while it finishes (hopefully) charging. Repeat as necessary.

 

[Ricky]

On Monday, May 1, 2023 at 8:18:54 PM UTC-4, Ed Lee wrote:

On Monday, May 1, 2023 at 5:10:50 PM UTC-7, Ricky wrote:
On Monday, May 1, 2023 at 5:53:44 PM UTC-4, Ed Lee wrote:
On Monday, May 1, 2023 at 1:08:51 PM UTC-7, Ed Lee wrote:
On Monday, May 1, 2023 at 1:03:54 PM UTC-7, John Larkin wrote:
On Mon, 1 May 2023 12:37:36 -0700 (PDT), Ed Lee
edward....@gmail.com> wrote:

On Monday, May 1, 2023 at 12:26:31?PM UTC-7, Ricky wrote:
On Monday, May 1, 2023 at 1:46:48?PM UTC-4, Ed Lee wrote:
On Monday, May 1, 2023 at 9:21:21?AM UTC-7, John Larkin wrote:
On Sun, 30 Apr 2023 18:47:58 -0700 (PDT), Flyguy
soar2...@yahoo.com> wrote:

On Thursday, April 27, 2023 at 7:33:51?AM UTC-7, Ed Lee wrote:
On Thursday, April 27, 2023 at 5:32:38?AM UTC-7, Fred Bloggs wrote:
On Wednesday, April 26, 2023 at 8:30:26?PM UTC-4, Ricky wrote:
On Wednesday, April 26, 2023 at 4:59:25?PM UTC-4, Fred Bloggs wrote:
On Wednesday, April 26, 2023 at 11:24:30?AM UTC-4, Dean Hoffman wrote:
The first link is to a story about a tow truck driver towing his first EV.
This EV driver would\'ve been ok if he had a hybrid.
https://ijr.com/californian-learns-brutal-lesson-evs-stranded-truck-hauled/
Here\'s a Consumer Reports article about hybrids..
https://www.consumerreports.org/cars/hybrids-evs/how-do-hybrid-cars-work-a1034181509/
I wouldn\'t want an EV just because they\'re something relatively new. There are bugs to be worked out over time. People won\'t necessarily use them the way designers think they will be.
That was the driver\'s stupidity and not the EV. Of course the right wingnut press loves to jump on a story about a renewable failure. Was the driver so stupid he thought a mile on the flat is the same as mile with a 7% incline? Sounds like it. Google maps could compute the kWh for his exact route with pretty good accuracy if they had that capability. I haven\'t heard anything about it- yet.
Google pretty much sucks when it comes to planning a BEV trip. Very inadequate. Tesla, on the other hand, uses the Google map data and does a very good job of it. If you simply want to find chargers, Plugshare is pretty good. ABRP (a better route planner) does a better job than Tesla, in some ways. Tesla only (relatively) recently added waypoints, but still sucks for \"what if\" analysis. ABRP is probably still the best tool over all, but being built into the car is an advantage which is hard to beat.
a
If Tesla would fix their GD browser, so it doesn\'t crash every five minutes, crashing the display computer with it, you could run ABRP in the car and have the best of both worlds.
I\'m talking about using the exact model of EV to incrementally compute and integrate the kWh expenditure at posted speed along the prospective route from origin to destination, with possible stop offs at recharging stations. These other products, especially Tesla, are complete amateurs compared to what google could do. Maybe they don\'t want to contribute to people squandering energy on joy rides, or something.
For such long trip in EV desert, I would carry a generator. In fact, I have a new (never used) one for years, just for emergency. The problem is that once used, I have to keep using it couple of time per month, to keep it in working order. I wonder if it\'s better to disassembly and clean the gasket after every use.

Oh, the IRONY of it all! You buy an EV to divorce yourself from fossil fuels and you end up carrying both the fuel and an ICE to bail yourself out. You still haven\'t cut the apron strings.
An EV isn\'t transport, it\'s a hobby.
Well, it\'s an experience. Take 30 minutes at a Nissan dealer to free charge the Leaf, free half-charge my laptop and chatting on SED, 2 cups of free capucinno and 1free rest room visit. If Tesla dealer can match that, perhaps I\'ll switch. But first, need to find a Tesla dealer.
How about one of the many Superchargers that will charge the same kWh in a third of the time?

Many of them are free, including this one. I think it was free before, after hour, without salesman to punch in.

They say time is money, but clearly your time is less valuable than a cup of coffee if you are happy spending a half hour to get a cup and 50 miles of driving. Your average speed is probably faster than a walk... well, at least a bit faster.

I only need to do long distance couple of time a year. Very often, i just use the Tracy Nissan several times a day FREE, plus CalTran 30 miles south on I-5.
What is all this FREE, FREE, FREE stuff about?
To make up for the PAY, PAY, PAY chargers. Sometimes, they cost (50 to 60 cents per KWhr) more than gas. Average cost around $30 between SF & LA.
BTW, the up hill is very bad for the battery. It raise temp by 10C to 15C and couple of hours to cool down.
In your Leaf, which has no temperature control system. That\'s one big reason why Tesla sells so many more BEVs than Nissan. Tesla did the design right. They heat the battery when it needs it and cools it when it\'s hot. Charging is fast and cheap.
Waiting for AAA. How much should I trip AAA driver? I gave $20 to the Good Sam driver because he was complaining about the time/cost to his office.
How about spending that money on a BEV that doesn\'t quit and leave you stranded between chargers?

It\'s insane that anyone would do what you do. Then it\'s doubling insane that you come here and brag about it. Is this your only eccentricity?
Except that Tesla cost 6x more than my Leaf. And i don\'t like Tesla tracking all my trips.

Tesla doesn\'t track anyone. They don\'t care about you. You get what you pay for. So you have a sixth of a Tesla, at best. Actually, what you have, isn\'t even on the same chart as a Tesla. You drive a ghost of a Leaf. The shadow of what was once a reasonable vehicle, made worse by your insistence in using it for trips it is entirely unsuited for. It\'s like trying to fly a Cessna to the moon. The joke part is that you will never understand that.

--

Rick C.

+-+- Get 1,000 miles of free Supercharging
+-+- Tesla referral code - https://ts.la/richard11209

 

[Ed Lee]

On Monday, May 1, 2023 at 6:45:55 PM UTC-7, Ricky wrote:

On Monday, May 1, 2023 at 8:18:54 PM UTC-4, Ed Lee wrote:
On Monday, May 1, 2023 at 5:10:50 PM UTC-7, Ricky wrote:
On Monday, May 1, 2023 at 5:53:44 PM UTC-4, Ed Lee wrote:
On Monday, May 1, 2023 at 1:08:51 PM UTC-7, Ed Lee wrote:
On Monday, May 1, 2023 at 1:03:54 PM UTC-7, John Larkin wrote:
On Mon, 1 May 2023 12:37:36 -0700 (PDT), Ed Lee
edward....@gmail.com> wrote:

On Monday, May 1, 2023 at 12:26:31?PM UTC-7, Ricky wrote:
On Monday, May 1, 2023 at 1:46:48?PM UTC-4, Ed Lee wrote:
On Monday, May 1, 2023 at 9:21:21?AM UTC-7, John Larkin wrote:
On Sun, 30 Apr 2023 18:47:58 -0700 (PDT), Flyguy
soar2...@yahoo.com> wrote:

On Thursday, April 27, 2023 at 7:33:51?AM UTC-7, Ed Lee wrote:
On Thursday, April 27, 2023 at 5:32:38?AM UTC-7, Fred Bloggs wrote:
On Wednesday, April 26, 2023 at 8:30:26?PM UTC-4, Ricky wrote:
On Wednesday, April 26, 2023 at 4:59:25?PM UTC-4, Fred Bloggs wrote:
On Wednesday, April 26, 2023 at 11:24:30?AM UTC-4, Dean Hoffman wrote:
The first link is to a story about a tow truck driver towing his first EV.
This EV driver would\'ve been ok if he had a hybrid.
https://ijr.com/californian-learns-brutal-lesson-evs-stranded-truck-hauled/
Here\'s a Consumer Reports article about hybrids.
https://www.consumerreports.org/cars/hybrids-evs/how-do-hybrid-cars-work-a1034181509/
I wouldn\'t want an EV just because they\'re something relatively new. There are bugs to be worked out over time. People won\'t necessarily use them the way designers think they will be.
That was the driver\'s stupidity and not the EV. Of course the right wingnut press loves to jump on a story about a renewable failure. Was the driver so stupid he thought a mile on the flat is the same as mile with a 7% incline? Sounds like it. Google maps could compute the kWh for his exact route with pretty good accuracy if they had that capability. I haven\'t heard anything about it- yet.
Google pretty much sucks when it comes to planning a BEV trip. Very inadequate. Tesla, on the other hand, uses the Google map data and does a very good job of it. If you simply want to find chargers, Plugshare is pretty good. ABRP (a better route planner) does a better job than Tesla, in some ways. Tesla only (relatively) recently added waypoints, but still sucks for \"what if\" analysis. ABRP is probably still the best tool over all, but being built into the car is an advantage which is hard to beat.
a
If Tesla would fix their GD browser, so it doesn\'t crash every five minutes, crashing the display computer with it, you could run ABRP in the car and have the best of both worlds.
I\'m talking about using the exact model of EV to incrementally compute and integrate the kWh expenditure at posted speed along the prospective route from origin to destination, with possible stop offs at recharging stations. These other products, especially Tesla, are complete amateurs compared to what google could do. Maybe they don\'t want to contribute to people squandering energy on joy rides, or something.
For such long trip in EV desert, I would carry a generator. In fact, I have a new (never used) one for years, just for emergency.. The problem is that once used, I have to keep using it couple of time per month, to keep it in working order. I wonder if it\'s better to disassembly and clean the gasket after every use.

Oh, the IRONY of it all! You buy an EV to divorce yourself from fossil fuels and you end up carrying both the fuel and an ICE to bail yourself out. You still haven\'t cut the apron strings.
An EV isn\'t transport, it\'s a hobby.
Well, it\'s an experience. Take 30 minutes at a Nissan dealer to free charge the Leaf, free half-charge my laptop and chatting on SED, 2 cups of free capucinno and 1free rest room visit. If Tesla dealer can match that, perhaps I\'ll switch. But first, need to find a Tesla dealer.
How about one of the many Superchargers that will charge the same kWh in a third of the time?

Many of them are free, including this one. I think it was free before, after hour, without salesman to punch in.

They say time is money, but clearly your time is less valuable than a cup of coffee if you are happy spending a half hour to get a cup and 50 miles of driving. Your average speed is probably faster than a walk.... well, at least a bit faster.

I only need to do long distance couple of time a year. Very often, i just use the Tracy Nissan several times a day FREE, plus CalTran 30 miles south on I-5.
What is all this FREE, FREE, FREE stuff about?
To make up for the PAY, PAY, PAY chargers. Sometimes, they cost (50 to 60 cents per KWhr) more than gas. Average cost around $30 between SF & LA.
BTW, the up hill is very bad for the battery. It raise temp by 10C to 15C and couple of hours to cool down.
In your Leaf, which has no temperature control system. That\'s one big reason why Tesla sells so many more BEVs than Nissan. Tesla did the design right. They heat the battery when it needs it and cools it when it\'s hot. Charging is fast and cheap.
Waiting for AAA. How much should I trip AAA driver? I gave $20 to the Good Sam driver because he was complaining about the time/cost to his office.
How about spending that money on a BEV that doesn\'t quit and leave you stranded between chargers?

It\'s insane that anyone would do what you do. Then it\'s doubling insane that you come here and brag about it. Is this your only eccentricity?
Except that Tesla cost 6x more than my Leaf. And i don\'t like Tesla tracking all my trips.
Tesla doesn\'t track anyone. They don\'t care about you. You get what you pay for. So you have a sixth of a Tesla, at best. Actually, what you have, isn\'t even on the same chart as a Tesla. You drive a ghost of a Leaf. The shadow of what was once a reasonable vehicle, made worse by your insistence in using it for trips it is entirely unsuited for. It\'s like trying to fly a Cessna to the moon. The joke part is that you will never understand that.

Yes, i\'ll leave the driving to AAA. The kid was going 70MPH with my Leaf on flat bed. He is from burbank (next time just tow from there). Reach top of world in record time, skip charging there and just slide/regen to south of Bakersfield. Great deal for $15 ($60/4) + $10 tip. He seems to be happy with the tip.

 

[Ed Lee]

On Monday, May 1, 2023 at 9:57:09 PM UTC-7, Ed Lee wrote:

On Monday, May 1, 2023 at 6:45:55 PM UTC-7, Ricky wrote:
On Monday, May 1, 2023 at 8:18:54 PM UTC-4, Ed Lee wrote:
On Monday, May 1, 2023 at 5:10:50 PM UTC-7, Ricky wrote:
On Monday, May 1, 2023 at 5:53:44 PM UTC-4, Ed Lee wrote:
On Monday, May 1, 2023 at 1:08:51 PM UTC-7, Ed Lee wrote:
On Monday, May 1, 2023 at 1:03:54 PM UTC-7, John Larkin wrote:
On Mon, 1 May 2023 12:37:36 -0700 (PDT), Ed Lee
edward....@gmail.com> wrote:

On Monday, May 1, 2023 at 12:26:31?PM UTC-7, Ricky wrote:
On Monday, May 1, 2023 at 1:46:48?PM UTC-4, Ed Lee wrote:
On Monday, May 1, 2023 at 9:21:21?AM UTC-7, John Larkin wrote:
On Sun, 30 Apr 2023 18:47:58 -0700 (PDT), Flyguy
soar2...@yahoo.com> wrote:

On Thursday, April 27, 2023 at 7:33:51?AM UTC-7, Ed Lee wrote:
On Thursday, April 27, 2023 at 5:32:38?AM UTC-7, Fred Bloggs wrote:
On Wednesday, April 26, 2023 at 8:30:26?PM UTC-4, Ricky wrote:
On Wednesday, April 26, 2023 at 4:59:25?PM UTC-4, Fred Bloggs wrote:
On Wednesday, April 26, 2023 at 11:24:30?AM UTC-4, Dean Hoffman wrote:
The first link is to a story about a tow truck driver towing his first EV.
This EV driver would\'ve been ok if he had a hybrid.
https://ijr.com/californian-learns-brutal-lesson-evs-stranded-truck-hauled/
Here\'s a Consumer Reports article about hybrids.
https://www.consumerreports.org/cars/hybrids-evs/how-do-hybrid-cars-work-a1034181509/
I wouldn\'t want an EV just because they\'re something relatively new. There are bugs to be worked out over time. People won\'t necessarily use them the way designers think they will be.
That was the driver\'s stupidity and not the EV. Of course the right wingnut press loves to jump on a story about a renewable failure. Was the driver so stupid he thought a mile on the flat is the same as mile with a 7% incline? Sounds like it. Google maps could compute the kWh for his exact route with pretty good accuracy if they had that capability. I haven\'t heard anything about it- yet.
Google pretty much sucks when it comes to planning a BEV trip. Very inadequate. Tesla, on the other hand, uses the Google map data and does a very good job of it. If you simply want to find chargers, Plugshare is pretty good. ABRP (a better route planner) does a better job than Tesla, in some ways. Tesla only (relatively) recently added waypoints, but still sucks for \"what if\" analysis. ABRP is probably still the best tool over all, but being built into the car is an advantage which is hard to beat.
a
If Tesla would fix their GD browser, so it doesn\'t crash every five minutes, crashing the display computer with it, you could run ABRP in the car and have the best of both worlds.
I\'m talking about using the exact model of EV to incrementally compute and integrate the kWh expenditure at posted speed along the prospective route from origin to destination, with possible stop offs at recharging stations. These other products, especially Tesla, are complete amateurs compared to what google could do. Maybe they don\'t want to contribute to people squandering energy on joy rides, or something.
For such long trip in EV desert, I would carry a generator. In fact, I have a new (never used) one for years, just for emergency. The problem is that once used, I have to keep using it couple of time per month, to keep it in working order. I wonder if it\'s better to disassembly and clean the gasket after every use.

Oh, the IRONY of it all! You buy an EV to divorce yourself from fossil fuels and you end up carrying both the fuel and an ICE to bail yourself out. You still haven\'t cut the apron strings.
An EV isn\'t transport, it\'s a hobby.
Well, it\'s an experience. Take 30 minutes at a Nissan dealer to free charge the Leaf, free half-charge my laptop and chatting on SED, 2 cups of free capucinno and 1free rest room visit. If Tesla dealer can match that, perhaps I\'ll switch. But first, need to find a Tesla dealer.
How about one of the many Superchargers that will charge the same kWh in a third of the time?

Many of them are free, including this one. I think it was free before, after hour, without salesman to punch in.

They say time is money, but clearly your time is less valuable than a cup of coffee if you are happy spending a half hour to get a cup and 50 miles of driving. Your average speed is probably faster than a walk... well, at least a bit faster.

I only need to do long distance couple of time a year. Very often, i just use the Tracy Nissan several times a day FREE, plus CalTran 30 miles south on I-5.
What is all this FREE, FREE, FREE stuff about?
To make up for the PAY, PAY, PAY chargers. Sometimes, they cost (50 to 60 cents per KWhr) more than gas. Average cost around $30 between SF & LA.
BTW, the up hill is very bad for the battery. It raise temp by 10C to 15C and couple of hours to cool down.
In your Leaf, which has no temperature control system. That\'s one big reason why Tesla sells so many more BEVs than Nissan. Tesla did the design right. They heat the battery when it needs it and cools it when it\'s hot.. Charging is fast and cheap.
Waiting for AAA. How much should I trip AAA driver? I gave $20 to the Good Sam driver because he was complaining about the time/cost to his office.
How about spending that money on a BEV that doesn\'t quit and leave you stranded between chargers?

It\'s insane that anyone would do what you do. Then it\'s doubling insane that you come here and brag about it. Is this your only eccentricity?
Except that Tesla cost 6x more than my Leaf. And i don\'t like Tesla tracking all my trips.
Tesla doesn\'t track anyone. They don\'t care about you. You get what you pay for. So you have a sixth of a Tesla, at best. Actually, what you have, isn\'t even on the same chart as a Tesla. You drive a ghost of a Leaf. The shadow of what was once a reasonable vehicle, made worse by your insistence in using it for trips it is entirely unsuited for. It\'s like trying to fly a Cessna to the moon. The joke part is that you will never understand that..
Yes, i\'ll leave the driving to AAA. The kid was going 70MPH with my Leaf on flat bed. He is from burbank (next time just tow from there). Reach top of world in record time, skip charging there and just slide/regen to south of Bakersfield. Great deal for $15 ($60/4) + $10 tip. He seems to be happy with the tip.

Be sure to go with the AAA+ (4 50 miles tow tuck round trip per year). I still have 3 quotas for the next 2 months. Might be able to do Vegas this way. No stinking super-charger and no smelly gasoline.

 

[Ed Lee]

On Monday, May 1, 2023 at 10:07:05 PM UTC-7, Ed Lee wrote:

On Monday, May 1, 2023 at 9:57:09 PM UTC-7, Ed Lee wrote:
On Monday, May 1, 2023 at 6:45:55 PM UTC-7, Ricky wrote:
On Monday, May 1, 2023 at 8:18:54 PM UTC-4, Ed Lee wrote:
On Monday, May 1, 2023 at 5:10:50 PM UTC-7, Ricky wrote:
On Monday, May 1, 2023 at 5:53:44 PM UTC-4, Ed Lee wrote:
On Monday, May 1, 2023 at 1:08:51 PM UTC-7, Ed Lee wrote:
On Monday, May 1, 2023 at 1:03:54 PM UTC-7, John Larkin wrote:
On Mon, 1 May 2023 12:37:36 -0700 (PDT), Ed Lee
edward....@gmail.com> wrote:

On Monday, May 1, 2023 at 12:26:31?PM UTC-7, Ricky wrote:
On Monday, May 1, 2023 at 1:46:48?PM UTC-4, Ed Lee wrote:
On Monday, May 1, 2023 at 9:21:21?AM UTC-7, John Larkin wrote:
On Sun, 30 Apr 2023 18:47:58 -0700 (PDT), Flyguy
soar2...@yahoo.com> wrote:

On Thursday, April 27, 2023 at 7:33:51?AM UTC-7, Ed Lee wrote:
On Thursday, April 27, 2023 at 5:32:38?AM UTC-7, Fred Bloggs wrote:
On Wednesday, April 26, 2023 at 8:30:26?PM UTC-4, Ricky wrote:
On Wednesday, April 26, 2023 at 4:59:25?PM UTC-4, Fred Bloggs wrote:
On Wednesday, April 26, 2023 at 11:24:30?AM UTC-4, Dean Hoffman wrote:
The first link is to a story about a tow truck driver towing his first EV.
This EV driver would\'ve been ok if he had a hybrid.
https://ijr.com/californian-learns-brutal-lesson-evs-stranded-truck-hauled/
Here\'s a Consumer Reports article about hybrids.
https://www.consumerreports.org/cars/hybrids-evs/how-do-hybrid-cars-work-a1034181509/
I wouldn\'t want an EV just because they\'re something relatively new. There are bugs to be worked out over time. People won\'t necessarily use them the way designers think they will be.
That was the driver\'s stupidity and not the EV. Of course the right wingnut press loves to jump on a story about a renewable failure. Was the driver so stupid he thought a mile on the flat is the same as mile with a 7% incline? Sounds like it. Google maps could compute the kWh for his exact route with pretty good accuracy if they had that capability. I haven\'t heard anything about it- yet.
Google pretty much sucks when it comes to planning a BEV trip. Very inadequate. Tesla, on the other hand, uses the Google map data and does a very good job of it. If you simply want to find chargers, Plugshare is pretty good. ABRP (a better route planner) does a better job than Tesla, in some ways. Tesla only (relatively) recently added waypoints, but still sucks for \"what if\" analysis. ABRP is probably still the best tool over all, but being built into the car is an advantage which is hard to beat.
a
If Tesla would fix their GD browser, so it doesn\'t crash every five minutes, crashing the display computer with it, you could run ABRP in the car and have the best of both worlds.
I\'m talking about using the exact model of EV to incrementally compute and integrate the kWh expenditure at posted speed along the prospective route from origin to destination, with possible stop offs at recharging stations. These other products, especially Tesla, are complete amateurs compared to what google could do. Maybe they don\'t want to contribute to people squandering energy on joy rides, or something.
For such long trip in EV desert, I would carry a generator. In fact, I have a new (never used) one for years, just for emergency. The problem is that once used, I have to keep using it couple of time per month, to keep it in working order. I wonder if it\'s better to disassembly and clean the gasket after every use.

Oh, the IRONY of it all! You buy an EV to divorce yourself from fossil fuels and you end up carrying both the fuel and an ICE to bail yourself out. You still haven\'t cut the apron strings.
An EV isn\'t transport, it\'s a hobby.
Well, it\'s an experience. Take 30 minutes at a Nissan dealer to free charge the Leaf, free half-charge my laptop and chatting on SED, 2 cups of free capucinno and 1free rest room visit. If Tesla dealer can match that, perhaps I\'ll switch. But first, need to find a Tesla dealer.
How about one of the many Superchargers that will charge the same kWh in a third of the time?

Many of them are free, including this one. I think it was free before, after hour, without salesman to punch in.

They say time is money, but clearly your time is less valuable than a cup of coffee if you are happy spending a half hour to get a cup and 50 miles of driving. Your average speed is probably faster than a walk... well, at least a bit faster.

I only need to do long distance couple of time a year. Very often, i just use the Tracy Nissan several times a day FREE, plus CalTran 30 miles south on I-5.
What is all this FREE, FREE, FREE stuff about?
To make up for the PAY, PAY, PAY chargers. Sometimes, they cost (50 to 60 cents per KWhr) more than gas. Average cost around $30 between SF & LA.
BTW, the up hill is very bad for the battery. It raise temp by 10C to 15C and couple of hours to cool down.
In your Leaf, which has no temperature control system. That\'s one big reason why Tesla sells so many more BEVs than Nissan. Tesla did the design right. They heat the battery when it needs it and cools it when it\'s hot. Charging is fast and cheap.
Waiting for AAA. How much should I trip AAA driver? I gave $20 to the Good Sam driver because he was complaining about the time/cost to his office.
How about spending that money on a BEV that doesn\'t quit and leave you stranded between chargers?

It\'s insane that anyone would do what you do. Then it\'s doubling insane that you come here and brag about it. Is this your only eccentricity?
Except that Tesla cost 6x more than my Leaf. And i don\'t like Tesla tracking all my trips.
Tesla doesn\'t track anyone. They don\'t care about you. You get what you pay for. So you have a sixth of a Tesla, at best. Actually, what you have, isn\'t even on the same chart as a Tesla. You drive a ghost of a Leaf. The shadow of what was once a reasonable vehicle, made worse by your insistence in using it for trips it is entirely unsuited for. It\'s like trying to fly a Cessna to the moon. The joke part is that you will never understand that.
Yes, i\'ll leave the driving to AAA. The kid was going 70MPH with my Leaf on flat bed. He is from burbank (next time just tow from there). Reach top of world in record time, skip charging there and just slide/regen to south of Bakersfield. Great deal for $15 ($60/4) + $10 tip. He seems to be happy with the tip.
Be sure to go with the AAA+ (4 50 miles tow tuck round trip per year). I still have 3 quotas for the next 2 months. Might be able to do Vegas this way. No stinking super-charger and no smelly gasoline.

Sorry, I forgot that I paid $95 10 months ago. But still a good deal moving my car 30 miles for $24. Yesterday, the kid (young man) start from Burbank, pickup Santa Clarita and drop off Gorman. It\'s around 106 miles (6 over) round-trip for the tow truck. Don\'t know why anyone would do this job except for fun. It won\'t even cover the fuel cost.

I am thinking about doing 48 miles from Los Banos to Gilroy via Pacheco Pass. It would cut some distance instead of 580.

Am I abusing the policy by such planned route? Would AAA cancel and/or ban me?