SA Greenies

[Trevor Wilson]

On 14/02/2017 1:27 PM, SG1 wrote:

"Trevor Wilson" <trevor@SPAMBLOCKrageaudio.com.au> wrote in message
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On 14/02/2017 12:54 PM, SG1 wrote:

"Trevor Wilson" <trevor@SPAMBLOCKrageaudio.com.au> wrote in message
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On 14/02/2017 11:46 AM, F Murtz wrote:
Trevor Wilson wrote:
On 13/02/2017 9:40 PM, Petzl wrote:
On Mon, 13 Feb 2017 20:00:39 +1100, Trevor Wilson
trevor@SPAMBLOCKrageaudio.com.au> wrote:

On 13/02/2017 7:41 PM, Xeno wrote:
On 13/02/2017 6:34 PM, Je?us wrote:
On Mon, 13 Feb 2017 18:27:23 +1100, Clifford Heath
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On 13/02/17 13:44, Je?us wrote:
On Sun, 12 Feb 2017 12:09:38 +1100, Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com
wrote:

On Sun, 12 Feb 2017 11:24:48 +1100, Jeßus <j@j.net> wrote:

On Sun, 12 Feb 2017 10:00:01 +1100, Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com
wrote:


Repairs to Basslink cable were happenining and the hydro
dams
were
getting loow. But the survived

That Basslink cable is one of the dumbest ideas ever.
Personally
speaking, I'd like to see it chopped up into a thousand
pieces
and
forgotten about. Tasmania would be, on the whole, far better
off
without it.

Well tasmania needs 100Mw generator without it.
Latest tech Wind Generation could do this?
http://reneweconomy.com.au/super-conductor-turbines-could-slash-australian-wind-energy-costs-84828/





https://is.gd/sbtNM1

Tasmania is perfectly capable of generating more power than it
needs
with just hydro and wind alone,

That was true before they had a ten-year drought.

It was true before, during and after the 'drought'. The problem
is/was
that the water is poorly managed.

It's very hard to *manage water* when it doesn't fall from the
sky and
fill the dams. The drought in Tasmania was unprecedented. Even the
easterly wind rains that fed the entire Midlands area failed and
rivers
dried up. The Macquarie River being one such notable river - it
just
disappeared. That 10 year drought will not be the last. Worse
droughts
are to come.


**Don't tell Murtz that. He still doesn't accept the words of every
climatologist on the planet.

Especially the ones that deliberately make false reports

**Name the ones who have allegedly made false reports. Cite the fake
report.


Recently (last 2 years) the BoM has been caught fudging figures.


**Cite.

Whatever you cite, I will take up with my partner. She works for BoM.
I can assure you that she is under strict instructions to publish
facts only. As are all BoM employees.


This from a quick search.
http://joannenova.com.au/2014/08/the-heat-is-on-bureau-of-meteorology-altering-climate-figures-the-australian/


I also worked for bom for nearly 30 years.

**Then I don't need to tell you about the integrity of the staff and the
data presented.

JoNova is full of shit BTW. She has zero integrity and zero honesty. Her
site has been debunked and called on it's accuracy many, many times. I
am stunned that you would present lies as fact. Do you work for Donald
Trump?


--
Trevor Wilson
www.rageaudio.com.au

 

[SG1]

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On 14/02/2017 12:54 PM, SG1 wrote:

"Trevor Wilson" <trevor@SPAMBLOCKrageaudio.com.au> wrote in message
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On 14/02/2017 11:46 AM, F Murtz wrote:
Trevor Wilson wrote:
On 13/02/2017 9:40 PM, Petzl wrote:
On Mon, 13 Feb 2017 20:00:39 +1100, Trevor Wilson
trevor@SPAMBLOCKrageaudio.com.au> wrote:

On 13/02/2017 7:41 PM, Xeno wrote:
On 13/02/2017 6:34 PM, Je?us wrote:
On Mon, 13 Feb 2017 18:27:23 +1100, Clifford Heath
no.spam@please.net> wrote:

On 13/02/17 13:44, Je?us wrote:
On Sun, 12 Feb 2017 12:09:38 +1100, Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com
wrote:

On Sun, 12 Feb 2017 11:24:48 +1100, Jeßus <j@j.net> wrote:

On Sun, 12 Feb 2017 10:00:01 +1100, Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com
wrote:


Repairs to Basslink cable were happenining and the hydro dams
were
getting loow. But the survived

That Basslink cable is one of the dumbest ideas ever.
Personally
speaking, I'd like to see it chopped up into a thousand pieces
and
forgotten about. Tasmania would be, on the whole, far better
off
without it.

Well tasmania needs 100Mw generator without it.
Latest tech Wind Generation could do this?
http://reneweconomy.com.au/super-conductor-turbines-could-slash-australian-wind-energy-costs-84828/




https://is.gd/sbtNM1

Tasmania is perfectly capable of generating more power than it
needs
with just hydro and wind alone,

That was true before they had a ten-year drought.

It was true before, during and after the 'drought'. The problem
is/was
that the water is poorly managed.

It's very hard to *manage water* when it doesn't fall from the
sky and
fill the dams. The drought in Tasmania was unprecedented. Even the
easterly wind rains that fed the entire Midlands area failed and
rivers
dried up. The Macquarie River being one such notable river - it
just
disappeared. That 10 year drought will not be the last. Worse
droughts
are to come.


**Don't tell Murtz that. He still doesn't accept the words of every
climatologist on the planet.

Especially the ones that deliberately make false reports

**Name the ones who have allegedly made false reports. Cite the fake
report.


Recently (last 2 years) the BoM has been caught fudging figures.


**Cite.

Whatever you cite, I will take up with my partner. She works for BoM. I
can assure you that she is under strict instructions to publish facts
only. As are all BoM employees.

This from a quick search.
http://joannenova.com.au/2014/08/the-heat-is-on-bureau-of-meteorology-altering-climate-figures-the-australian/

I also worked for bom for nearly 30 years.

--
Trevor Wilson
www.rageaudio.com.au

 

[Fran Snortilus]

On 14/02/2017 5:11 PM, SG1 wrote:

"Fran Snortilus" <ask@itsahoot.com> wrote in message
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On 14/02/2017 1:27 PM, SG1 wrote:


Especially the ones that deliberately make false reports

**Name the ones who have allegedly made false reports. Cite the fake
report.


Recently (last 2 years) the BoM has been caught fudging figures.


**Cite.

Whatever you cite, I will take up with my partner. She works for BoM.
I can assure you that she is under strict instructions to publish
facts only. As are all BoM employees.


This from a quick search.
http://joannenova.com.au/2014/08/the-heat-is-on-bureau-of-meteorology-altering-climate-figures-the-australian/


I see that she quotes Jennifer Marohasy! former well known IPA
skeptic. Nuff said.

I also worked for bom for nearly 30 years.

So did you fudge figures or are you claiming that the BOM does?
I did work in National Climate Centre for a while.

So I assume no fudging then?

I heard about it on the news at the time.

Which news though? Some of it is so bloody hopeless that it doesn't
even rate as news at all. I'm a pretty good follower of the news and
can't say that I've ever heard that accusation, or I may have done so
and then had to dismiss it as being a ludicrous suggestion because it
came from some twonk like Moncton or some other wally. I will do a google.

I make no claim as to the bom

fudging figures, but some
organisations claim otherwise. There is an article in the Oz that maybe
Pretzel can read for us. Oh
and not change the content hahaha.

Well we know his history there.... )

 

[Trevor Wilson]

On 14/02/2017 5:23 PM, Petzl wrote:

On Tue, 14 Feb 2017 16:57:42 +1100, Fran Snortilus <ask@itsahoot.com
wrote:

On 14/02/2017 11:46 AM, F Murtz wrote:
Trevor Wilson wrote:


**Don't tell Murtz that. He still doesn't accept the words of every
climatologist on the planet.

Especially the ones that deliberately make false reports

Name one or give a cite.

http://jennifermarohasy.com/about/
Jennifer Marohasy brought the BoM figuring into question
This story
http://jennifermarohasy.com/2015/09/you-dont-know-the-half-of-it-temperature-adjustments-and-the-australian-bureau-of-meteorology/
https://is.gd/WEBj8n

** https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jennifer_Marohasy

Marohasy is a member of the IPA. The IPA is an umbrella group for
deniers and other fruitcakes. She is a liar and an idiot.

Try and do better than her. Please.

--
Trevor Wilson
www.rageaudio.com.au

 

[SG1]

"Fran Snortilus" <ask@itsahoot.com> wrote in message
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On 14/02/2017 5:11 PM, SG1 wrote:

"Fran Snortilus" <ask@itsahoot.com> wrote in message
news7u6j8$67k$1@dont-email.me...
On 14/02/2017 1:27 PM, SG1 wrote:


Especially the ones that deliberately make false reports

**Name the ones who have allegedly made false reports. Cite the fake
report.


Recently (last 2 years) the BoM has been caught fudging figures.


**Cite.

Whatever you cite, I will take up with my partner. She works for BoM.
I can assure you that she is under strict instructions to publish
facts only. As are all BoM employees.


This from a quick search.
http://joannenova.com.au/2014/08/the-heat-is-on-bureau-of-meteorology-altering-climate-figures-the-australian/


I see that she quotes Jennifer Marohasy! former well known IPA
skeptic. Nuff said.

I also worked for bom for nearly 30 years.

So did you fudge figures or are you claiming that the BOM does?
I did work in National Climate Centre for a while.

So I assume no fudging then?

I heard about it on the news at the time.

Which news though? Some of it is so bloody hopeless that it doesn't even
rate as news at all. I'm a pretty good follower of the news and can't say
that I've ever heard that accusation, or I may have done so and then had
to dismiss it as being a ludicrous suggestion because it came from some
twonk like Moncton or some other wally. I will do a google.

I only watch the ABC news.

I make no claim as to the bom
fudging figures, but some
organisations claim otherwise. There is an article in the Oz that maybe
Pretzel can read for us. Oh
and not change the content hahaha.

Well we know his history there.... )

 

[F Murtz]

Trevor Wilson wrote:

On 14/02/2017 12:24 PM, Xeno wrote:
On 14/02/2017 11:59 AM, Trevor Wilson wrote:
On 14/02/2017 11:53 AM, F Murtz wrote:
Clifford Heath wrote:
On 13/02/17 13:44, Je�us wrote:
On Sun, 12 Feb 2017 12:09:38 +1100, Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> wrote:

On Sun, 12 Feb 2017 11:24:48 +1100, Jeßus <j@j.net> wrote:

On Sun, 12 Feb 2017 10:00:01 +1100, Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> wrote:


Repairs to Basslink cable were happenining and the hydro dams were
getting loow. But the survived

That Basslink cable is one of the dumbest ideas ever. Personally
speaking, I'd like to see it chopped up into a thousand pieces and
forgotten about. Tasmania would be, on the whole, far better off
without it.

Well tasmania needs 100Mw generator without it.
Latest tech Wind Generation could do this?
http://reneweconomy.com.au/super-conductor-turbines-could-slash-australian-wind-energy-costs-84828/





https://is.gd/sbtNM1

Tasmania is perfectly capable of generating more power than it needs
with just hydro and wind alone,

That was true before they had a ten-year drought.

It was all the fault of the liberals and AGW that the liberals and
non greens caused

**Idiot. AGW has caused the drought in Tasmania. A fault in the Basslink
cable caused the other part of the problem. It could be said that,
perhaps, Tasmania should consider another back-up system, should both
problems occur again.

Wind generators on the west coast would be the most likely source. The
west coast is the most consistently windy part of the state due to the
Roaring Forties which blast onto the coast there. I used to work on the
west coast of Tasmania some 4 decades ago and the most consistent
features of life there was the incessant rain and the equally incessant
wind. They measure rainfall over there in metres.


**That would be unacceptable to Murtz. He has a pathological and
irrational hatred of any form of renewable energy system.

More Unprovable crap from the omniscient Trevor I have never said any
such thing.I have a view that reliance on renewables to the exclusion of
any other methods when it is obvious that the current state of renewable
energy generation is not enough except in some rare situations is folly.
Renewable energy generation is definitely something to aim for but I was
pointing out where it is not working because it is not up to the point
yet and needs not so green assistance till such time,which SA has not
allowed for.

 

[HD]

On 14/02/2017 7:50 PM, F Murtz wrote:

Trevor Wilson wrote:
On 14/02/2017 12:24 PM, Xeno wrote:
On 14/02/2017 11:59 AM, Trevor Wilson wrote:
On 14/02/2017 11:53 AM, F Murtz wrote:
Clifford Heath wrote:
On 13/02/17 13:44, Je�us wrote:
On Sun, 12 Feb 2017 12:09:38 +1100, Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> wrote:

On Sun, 12 Feb 2017 11:24:48 +1100, Jeßus <j@j.net> wrote:

On Sun, 12 Feb 2017 10:00:01 +1100, Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com
wrote:


Repairs to Basslink cable were happenining and the hydro dams
were
getting loow. But the survived

That Basslink cable is one of the dumbest ideas ever. Personally
speaking, I'd like to see it chopped up into a thousand pieces and
forgotten about. Tasmania would be, on the whole, far better off
without it.

Well tasmania needs 100Mw generator without it.
Latest tech Wind Generation could do this?
http://reneweconomy.com.au/super-conductor-turbines-could-slash-australian-wind-energy-costs-84828/






https://is.gd/sbtNM1

Tasmania is perfectly capable of generating more power than it needs
with just hydro and wind alone,

That was true before they had a ten-year drought.

It was all the fault of the liberals and AGW that the liberals and
non greens caused

**Idiot. AGW has caused the drought in Tasmania. A fault in the
Basslink
cable caused the other part of the problem. It could be said that,
perhaps, Tasmania should consider another back-up system, should both
problems occur again.

Wind generators on the west coast would be the most likely source. The
west coast is the most consistently windy part of the state due to the
Roaring Forties which blast onto the coast there. I used to work on the
west coast of Tasmania some 4 decades ago and the most consistent
features of life there was the incessant rain and the equally incessant
wind. They measure rainfall over there in metres.


**That would be unacceptable to Murtz. He has a pathological and
irrational hatred of any form of renewable energy system.

More Unprovable crap from the omniscient Trevor I have never said any
such thing.I have a view that reliance on renewables to the exclusion of
any other methods when it is obvious that the current state of renewable
energy generation is not enough except in some rare situations is folly.
Renewable energy generation is definitely something to aim for but I was
pointing out where it is not working because it is not up to the point
yet and needs not so green assistance till such time,which SA has not
allowed for.

http://www.adelaidenow.com.au/news/south-australia/sa-power-networks-owned-by-billionaire-li-kashing-makes-four-times-more-profit-out-of-us-than-its-uk-group/news-story/d00954c420ee1173a7549360eac879b7





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[Petzl]

On Tue, 14 Feb 2017 20:01:58 +1000, HD <herpem@bigpond.com> wrote:

**That would be unacceptable to Murtz. He has a pathological and
irrational hatred of any form of renewable energy system.

More Unprovable crap from the omniscient Trevor I have never said any
such thing.I have a view that reliance on renewables to the exclusion of
any other methods when it is obvious that the current state of renewable
energy generation is not enough except in some rare situations is folly.
Renewable energy generation is definitely something to aim for but I was
pointing out where it is not working because it is not up to the point
yet and needs not so green assistance till such time,which SA has not
allowed for.


http://www.adelaidenow.com.au/news/south-australia/sa-power-networks-owned-by-billionaire-li-kashing-makes-four-times-more-profit-out-of-us-than-its-uk-group/news-story/d00954c420ee1173a7549360eac879b7


Q: What did SA use for lighting before candles?

A: Electricity.
Wonder how much backhander Turnbulls Lib's get?
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/01/16/business/dealbook/duet-group-china-australia-deal.html?_r=0
--
Petzl
"To Be A Politician You Need Three Things. Be a Good Liar, A Great Cheat
and a Brilliant Thief." Malcolm Turnbull

Its time for Malcolm to kick some arse....his own!!!

Australian MPs now among the highest paid in the world
http://www.news.com.au/national/australian-mps-now-among-the-highest-paid-in-the-world/story-fncynjr2-1226681596923
https://is.gd/nOyfr9

Turnbull draing the swamp!
http://cdn.newsapi.com.au/image/v1/cc61ccd180d35f931bae6ced5e4febaf?width=1024

ALWAYS Vote oligarchies Coalition, Labor, "Greens"
*LAST*, Federal State and Council!
Or you are voting for Islam and Sharia.

For Turnbull, ‘multi-faith’ only means Islam
https://is.gd/bunwYB

 

[F Murtz]

SG1 wrote:

"Fran Snortilus" <ask@itsahoot.com> wrote in message
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On 14/02/2017 5:11 PM, SG1 wrote:

"Fran Snortilus" <ask@itsahoot.com> wrote in message
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On 14/02/2017 1:27 PM, SG1 wrote:


Especially the ones that deliberately make false reports

**Name the ones who have allegedly made false reports. Cite the
fake
report.


Recently (last 2 years) the BoM has been caught fudging figures.


**Cite.

Whatever you cite, I will take up with my partner. She works for BoM.
I can assure you that she is under strict instructions to publish
facts only. As are all BoM employees.


This from a quick search.
http://joannenova.com.au/2014/08/the-heat-is-on-bureau-of-meteorology-altering-climate-figures-the-australian/



I see that she quotes Jennifer Marohasy! former well known IPA
skeptic. Nuff said.

I also worked for bom for nearly 30 years.

So did you fudge figures or are you claiming that the BOM does?
I did work in National Climate Centre for a while.

So I assume no fudging then?

I heard about it on the news at the time.

Which news though? Some of it is so bloody hopeless that it doesn't
even rate as news at all. I'm a pretty good follower of the news and
can't say that I've ever heard that accusation, or I may have done so
and then had to dismiss it as being a ludicrous suggestion because it
came from some twonk like Moncton or some other wally. I will do a
google.

I only watch the ABC news.


I make no claim as to the bom
fudging figures, but some
organisations claim otherwise. There is an article in the Oz that maybe
Pretzel can read for us. Oh
and not change the content hahaha.

Well we know his history there.... )

http://www.newsmax.com/LarryBell/balloon-cpp-radiosonde/2017/02/13/id/773270/

https://curryja.files.wordpress.com/2016/11/climate-models.pdf

https://wattsupwiththat.com/2017/02/08/where-did-the-2016-el-nios-heat-come-from/

 

[Xeno]

On 14/02/2017 8:50 PM, F Murtz wrote:

Trevor Wilson wrote:
On 14/02/2017 12:24 PM, Xeno wrote:
On 14/02/2017 11:59 AM, Trevor Wilson wrote:
On 14/02/2017 11:53 AM, F Murtz wrote:
Clifford Heath wrote:
On 13/02/17 13:44, Je�us wrote:
On Sun, 12 Feb 2017 12:09:38 +1100, Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> wrote:

On Sun, 12 Feb 2017 11:24:48 +1100, Jeßus <j@j.net> wrote:

On Sun, 12 Feb 2017 10:00:01 +1100, Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com
wrote:


Repairs to Basslink cable were happenining and the hydro dams
were
getting loow. But the survived

That Basslink cable is one of the dumbest ideas ever. Personally
speaking, I'd like to see it chopped up into a thousand pieces and
forgotten about. Tasmania would be, on the whole, far better off
without it.

Well tasmania needs 100Mw generator without it.
Latest tech Wind Generation could do this?
http://reneweconomy.com.au/super-conductor-turbines-could-slash-australian-wind-energy-costs-84828/






https://is.gd/sbtNM1

Tasmania is perfectly capable of generating more power than it needs
with just hydro and wind alone,

That was true before they had a ten-year drought.

It was all the fault of the liberals and AGW that the liberals and
non greens caused

**Idiot. AGW has caused the drought in Tasmania. A fault in the
Basslink
cable caused the other part of the problem. It could be said that,
perhaps, Tasmania should consider another back-up system, should both
problems occur again.

Wind generators on the west coast would be the most likely source. The
west coast is the most consistently windy part of the state due to the
Roaring Forties which blast onto the coast there. I used to work on the
west coast of Tasmania some 4 decades ago and the most consistent
features of life there was the incessant rain and the equally incessant
wind. They measure rainfall over there in metres.


**That would be unacceptable to Murtz. He has a pathological and
irrational hatred of any form of renewable energy system.

More Unprovable crap from the omniscient Trevor I have never said any
such thing.I have a view that reliance on renewables to the exclusion of
any other methods when it is obvious that the current state of renewable
energy generation is not enough except in some rare situations is folly.
Renewable energy generation is definitely something to aim for but I was
pointing out where it is not working because it is not up to the point
yet and needs not so green assistance till such time,which SA has not
allowed for.

SA had the thermal baseload backup. During the wind event in times past,
the power lines to the baseload plant went out so it wouldn't have been
any use anyway. This last time it apparently wasn't economically viable
to fire a gas plant up even though it would have prevented blackouts.

--

Xeno

First they ignore you,
Then they ridicule you,
Then they fight you,
Then you win.

Mahatma Ghandi

 

[Trevor Wilson]

On 14/02/2017 8:50 PM, F Murtz wrote:

Trevor Wilson wrote:
On 14/02/2017 12:24 PM, Xeno wrote:
On 14/02/2017 11:59 AM, Trevor Wilson wrote:
On 14/02/2017 11:53 AM, F Murtz wrote:
Clifford Heath wrote:
On 13/02/17 13:44, Je�us wrote:
On Sun, 12 Feb 2017 12:09:38 +1100, Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> wrote:

On Sun, 12 Feb 2017 11:24:48 +1100, Jeßus <j@j.net> wrote:

On Sun, 12 Feb 2017 10:00:01 +1100, Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com
wrote:


Repairs to Basslink cable were happenining and the hydro dams
were
getting loow. But the survived

That Basslink cable is one of the dumbest ideas ever. Personally
speaking, I'd like to see it chopped up into a thousand pieces and
forgotten about. Tasmania would be, on the whole, far better off
without it.

Well tasmania needs 100Mw generator without it.
Latest tech Wind Generation could do this?
http://reneweconomy.com.au/super-conductor-turbines-could-slash-australian-wind-energy-costs-84828/






https://is.gd/sbtNM1

Tasmania is perfectly capable of generating more power than it needs
with just hydro and wind alone,

That was true before they had a ten-year drought.

It was all the fault of the liberals and AGW that the liberals and
non greens caused

**Idiot. AGW has caused the drought in Tasmania. A fault in the
Basslink
cable caused the other part of the problem. It could be said that,
perhaps, Tasmania should consider another back-up system, should both
problems occur again.

Wind generators on the west coast would be the most likely source. The
west coast is the most consistently windy part of the state due to the
Roaring Forties which blast onto the coast there. I used to work on the
west coast of Tasmania some 4 decades ago and the most consistent
features of life there was the incessant rain and the equally incessant
wind. They measure rainfall over there in metres.


**That would be unacceptable to Murtz. He has a pathological and
irrational hatred of any form of renewable energy system.

More Unprovable crap from the omniscient Trevor I have never said any
such thing.

**Lying cunt. Many times over many threads, you have expressed your
hatred of the Greens and renewable energy. You have consistently
expressed your banal view that coal and nukes are fine and that AGW does
not exist. You seem to forget that the crap you write is available for
all to see.


I have a view that reliance on renewables to the exclusion of

any other methods when it is obvious that the current state of renewable
energy generation is not enough except in some rare situations is folly.

**Only because your kind continues to to support coal-fired power.
Australia could easily transition to fully renewable energy within a
couple of decades.

Renewable energy generation is definitely something to aim for but I was
pointing out where it is not working because it is not up to the point
yet and needs not so green assistance till such time,which SA has not
allowed for.

**And again: The SA problems began when YOUR mates in the Lieberal Party
of SA sold off electricity assets to private industry. Do you understand
and acknowledge that?


--
Trevor Wilson
www.rageaudio.com.au

 

[Trevor Wilson]

On 13/02/2017 2:45 PM, felix wrote:

On Sunday, 12 Feb 2017 4:40 AM, Trevor Wilson wrote:
On 11/02/2017 8:56 PM, F Murtz wrote:
Trevor Wilson wrote:
On 11/02/2017 4:40 PM, F Murtz wrote:
Trevor Wilson wrote:
On 11/02/2017 12:49 PM, F Murtz wrote:
Trevor Wilson wrote:
On 10/02/2017 7:44 PM, F Murtz wrote:
Je�us wrote:
On Fri, 10 Feb 2017 17:23:24 +1100, F Murtz <haggisz@hotmail.com
wrote:

Je?us wrote:
On Fri, 10 Feb 2017 14:57:51 +1100, F Murtz
haggisz@hotmail.com
wrote:

Je?us wrote:
On Thu, 9 Feb 2017 21:52:04 +1100, F Murtz
haggisz@hotmail.com
wrote:

This SA green power supply works well does not it?

Where does the 'SA Greenies' or 'green' fit into the picture?

The greenies have made a system that relies on wind power etc,
have
shut
down a coal fired generator and rely on other states for
backup
and if
the wind does not blow or they have a storm that damages
things
their
setup does not work well.

So, who are these 'greenies' you speak of?

The south Australian government is inclined to greenie views
and is
attempting to run their power supply along green lines and it is
not
working so far.

You sure they're not commies too?

No, just inclined to green views,so far it has cost SA the most
expensive and unreliable power system in Aus .

**Far from it. That honour belongs to Tasmania.


Tasmania is not the most expensive SA is

**I was referring to the unreliable part.





I was referring to the most expensive and currently most unreliable.

**Goalpost change, duly noted.

No goalpost change, statement was "so far it has cost SA the most
expensive and unreliable power system in Aus . "which it is.

**You just inserted the word "currently". That is a goalpost change.
Based on last year's outage, which lasted several MONTHS in Tassie,
that qualifies Tasmania as having the least reliable power in the
nation. If you are (now) talking about which state has the most
unreliable power TODAY, then it may well be SA, though it is hard to
say, since NSW's biggest power consumer (the aluminium smelter in the
Hunter) was asked to power down. Had it not done so, then NSW may have
had the most unreliable power supply CURRENTLY.

Don't play idiotic semantic games with me. You will lose. Here are the
facts:

* Tasmania lost power for MONTHS. That makes their power system quite
unreliable. A day or two is fine, but not months.
* Electricity assets were sold off by various state governments (the
Libs in SA) and that action has brought us to the perilous position we
are in today.
* The Greens (which you seem to have an insane, irrational hatred
towards)

there's nothing irrational about despising the Greens. they are a bunch
of loopey nut cases

**OK, so you would rather vote for the bunch of arseholes that put SA
and all the other states into the position they are today? IE: Very
rapidly rising electricity prices and falling reliability.

You're an idiot.


--
Trevor Wilson
www.rageaudio.com.au

 

[felix]

On Tuesday, 14 Feb 2017 8:07 AM, Ördög wrote:

felix <me@nothere.invalid> live on stage:

the reason governments have to sell assets is because stupid voters keep
voting in Labor governments who run up massive debt
I guess you don't share the LNP's ideological free marketeering
privatisation mania.
Yet your voting preferences help keep returning them to power.

because elections are never about a single issue. and we needed to put
the ppl smugglers out of business, and Abbott did just that. but in fact
you don't know who I vote for

Oh, well. I would not expect from your ilk any deeper kind of
understanding of left politics, nor possessing an intact logical
reasoning ability.

'we' are all well aware of the extent of your 'logical reasoning ability'


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[felix]

On Wednesday, 15 Feb 2017 11:05 AM, Trevor Wilson wrote:

On 13/02/2017 2:45 PM, felix wrote:
On Sunday, 12 Feb 2017 4:40 AM, Trevor Wilson wrote:
On 11/02/2017 8:56 PM, F Murtz wrote:
Trevor Wilson wrote:
On 11/02/2017 4:40 PM, F Murtz wrote:
Trevor Wilson wrote:
On 11/02/2017 12:49 PM, F Murtz wrote:
Trevor Wilson wrote:
On 10/02/2017 7:44 PM, F Murtz wrote:
Je�us wrote:
On Fri, 10 Feb 2017 17:23:24 +1100, F Murtz
haggisz@hotmail.com
wrote:

Je?us wrote:
On Fri, 10 Feb 2017 14:57:51 +1100, F Murtz
haggisz@hotmail.com
wrote:

Je?us wrote:
On Thu, 9 Feb 2017 21:52:04 +1100, F Murtz
haggisz@hotmail.com
wrote:

This SA green power supply works well does not it?

Where does the 'SA Greenies' or 'green' fit into the
picture?

The greenies have made a system that relies on wind power
etc,
have
shut
down a coal fired generator and rely on other states for
backup
and if
the wind does not blow or they have a storm that damages
things
their
setup does not work well.

So, who are these 'greenies' you speak of?

The south Australian government is inclined to greenie views
and is
attempting to run their power supply along green lines and
it is
not
working so far.

You sure they're not commies too?

No, just inclined to green views,so far it has cost SA the most
expensive and unreliable power system in Aus .

**Far from it. That honour belongs to Tasmania.


Tasmania is not the most expensive SA is

**I was referring to the unreliable part.





I was referring to the most expensive and currently most unreliable.

**Goalpost change, duly noted.

No goalpost change, statement was "so far it has cost SA the most
expensive and unreliable power system in Aus . "which it is.

**You just inserted the word "currently". That is a goalpost change.
Based on last year's outage, which lasted several MONTHS in Tassie,
that qualifies Tasmania as having the least reliable power in the
nation. If you are (now) talking about which state has the most
unreliable power TODAY, then it may well be SA, though it is hard to
say, since NSW's biggest power consumer (the aluminium smelter in the
Hunter) was asked to power down. Had it not done so, then NSW may have
had the most unreliable power supply CURRENTLY.

Don't play idiotic semantic games with me. You will lose. Here are the
facts:

* Tasmania lost power for MONTHS. That makes their power system quite
unreliable. A day or two is fine, but not months.
* Electricity assets were sold off by various state governments (the
Libs in SA) and that action has brought us to the perilous position we
are in today.
* The Greens (which you seem to have an insane, irrational hatred
towards)

there's nothing irrational about despising the Greens. they are a bunch
of loopey nut cases

**OK, so you would rather vote for the bunch of arseholes that put SA
and all the other states into the position they are today?

nope. but the reality has been that only Liberals or Labor are able to
form government. that is changing now, fortunately

IE: Very rapidly rising electricity prices and falling reliability.

You're an idiot.

anyone who concludes on the basis of assumption is an idiot, in this
case you


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[felix]

On Tuesday, 14 Feb 2017 3:15 PM, SG1 wrote:

"Trevor Wilson" <trevor@SPAMBLOCKrageaudio.com.au> wrote in message
news:egfc1uFd4qiU1@mid.individual.net...
On 14/02/2017 1:27 PM, SG1 wrote:

"Trevor Wilson" <trevor@SPAMBLOCKrageaudio.com.au> wrote in message
news:egf6lrFc7t9U1@mid.individual.net...
On 14/02/2017 12:54 PM, SG1 wrote:

"Trevor Wilson" <trevor@SPAMBLOCKrageaudio.com.au> wrote in message
news:egf39iFblnpU2@mid.individual.net...
On 14/02/2017 11:46 AM, F Murtz wrote:
Trevor Wilson wrote:
On 13/02/2017 9:40 PM, Petzl wrote:
On Mon, 13 Feb 2017 20:00:39 +1100, Trevor Wilson
trevor@SPAMBLOCKrageaudio.com.au> wrote:

On 13/02/2017 7:41 PM, Xeno wrote:
On 13/02/2017 6:34 PM, Je?us wrote:
On Mon, 13 Feb 2017 18:27:23 +1100, Clifford Heath
no.spam@please.net> wrote:

On 13/02/17 13:44, Je?us wrote:
On Sun, 12 Feb 2017 12:09:38 +1100, Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com
wrote:

On Sun, 12 Feb 2017 11:24:48 +1100, Jeßus <j@j.net> wrote:

On Sun, 12 Feb 2017 10:00:01 +1100, Petzl
petzlx@gmail.com
wrote:


Repairs to Basslink cable were happenining and the hydro
dams
were
getting loow. But the survived

That Basslink cable is one of the dumbest ideas ever.
Personally
speaking, I'd like to see it chopped up into a thousand
pieces
and
forgotten about. Tasmania would be, on the whole, far
better
off
without it.

Well tasmania needs 100Mw generator without it.
Latest tech Wind Generation could do this?
http://reneweconomy.com.au/super-conductor-turbines-could-slash-australian-wind-energy-costs-84828/






https://is.gd/sbtNM1

Tasmania is perfectly capable of generating more power
than it
needs
with just hydro and wind alone,

That was true before they had a ten-year drought.

It was true before, during and after the 'drought'. The
problem
is/was
that the water is poorly managed.

It's very hard to *manage water* when it doesn't fall from the
sky and
fill the dams. The drought in Tasmania was unprecedented.
Even the
easterly wind rains that fed the entire Midlands area failed
and
rivers
dried up. The Macquarie River being one such notable river - it
just
disappeared. That 10 year drought will not be the last. Worse
droughts
are to come.


**Don't tell Murtz that. He still doesn't accept the words of
every
climatologist on the planet.

Especially the ones that deliberately make false reports

**Name the ones who have allegedly made false reports. Cite the fake
report.


Recently (last 2 years) the BoM has been caught fudging figures.


**Cite.

Whatever you cite, I will take up with my partner. She works for BoM.
I can assure you that she is under strict instructions to publish
facts only. As are all BoM employees.


This from a quick search.
http://joannenova.com.au/2014/08/the-heat-is-on-bureau-of-meteorology-altering-climate-figures-the-australian/



I also worked for bom for nearly 30 years.

**Then I don't need to tell you about the integrity of the staff and
the data presented.

JoNova is full of shit BTW. She has zero integrity and zero honesty.
Her site has been debunked and called on it's accuracy many, many
times. I am stunned that you would present lies as fact. Do you work
for Donald Trump?

As I have never heard of that person, she was the first in the search.
http://r.duckduckgo.com/l/?kh=-1&uddg=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.theaustralian.com.au%2Fnational-affairs%2Fclimate%2Fbureau-of-meteorology-altering-climate-figures%2Fnews-story%2F5bccf49433ae80f23b332d3493437106


as I don't subscribe to the Oz I don't know what this one says but it
appears to make the accusation.

link from Google that works:
http://www.theaustralian.com.au/national-affairs/climate/bureau-of-meteorology-altering-climate-figures/news-story/5bccf49433ae80f23b332d3493437106


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[SG1]

"Trevor Wilson" <trevor@SPAMBLOCKrageaudio.com.au> wrote in message
news:eghkjqFre3uU1@mid.individual.net...

there's nothing irrational about despising the Greens. they are a bunch
of loopey nut cases

**OK, so you would rather vote for the bunch of arseholes that put SA and
all the other states into the position they are today? IE: Very rapidly
rising electricity prices and falling reliability.

You're an idiot.

In Qld the labor mob used a drought to raise electricity prices 14.2% in one
go. Dought ended shortly
thereafter. Did prices go down to reflect this, NO. Using a drought as an
excuse for a money grab when
they don't pay for the water, is well enter own words here................

--
Trevor Wilson
www.rageaudio.com.au

 

[Xeno]

On 15/02/2017 1:58 PM, felix wrote:

On Wednesday, 15 Feb 2017 12:35 PM, F Murtz wrote:
Trevor Wilson wrote:
On 14/02/2017 8:50 PM, F Murtz wrote:
Trevor Wilson wrote:
On 14/02/2017 12:24 PM, Xeno wrote:
On 14/02/2017 11:59 AM, Trevor Wilson wrote:
On 14/02/2017 11:53 AM, F Murtz wrote:
Clifford Heath wrote:
On 13/02/17 13:44, Je�us wrote:
On Sun, 12 Feb 2017 12:09:38 +1100, Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com
wrote:

On Sun, 12 Feb 2017 11:24:48 +1100, Jeßus <j@j.net> wrote:

On Sun, 12 Feb 2017 10:00:01 +1100, Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com
wrote:


Repairs to Basslink cable were happenining and the hydro dams
were
getting loow. But the survived

That Basslink cable is one of the dumbest ideas ever.
Personally
speaking, I'd like to see it chopped up into a thousand pieces
and
forgotten about. Tasmania would be, on the whole, far better
off
without it.

Well tasmania needs 100Mw generator without it.
Latest tech Wind Generation could do this?
http://reneweconomy.com.au/super-conductor-turbines-could-slash-australian-wind-energy-costs-84828/








https://is.gd/sbtNM1

Tasmania is perfectly capable of generating more power than it
needs
with just hydro and wind alone,

That was true before they had a ten-year drought.

It was all the fault of the liberals and AGW that the
liberals and
non greens caused

**Idiot. AGW has caused the drought in Tasmania. A fault in the
Basslink
cable caused the other part of the problem. It could be said that,
perhaps, Tasmania should consider another back-up system, should
both
problems occur again.

Wind generators on the west coast would be the most likely source.
The
west coast is the most consistently windy part of the state due to
the
Roaring Forties which blast onto the coast there. I used to work
on the
west coast of Tasmania some 4 decades ago and the most consistent
features of life there was the incessant rain and the equally
incessant
wind. They measure rainfall over there in metres.


**That would be unacceptable to Murtz. He has a pathological and
irrational hatred of any form of renewable energy system.

More Unprovable crap from the omniscient Trevor I have never said any
such thing.

**Lying cunt. Many times over many threads, you have expressed your
hatred of the Greens and renewable energy. You have consistently
expressed your banal view that coal and nukes are fine and that AGW does
not exist. You seem to forget that the crap you write is available for
all to see.

Just put up your evidence that I hate renewable energy then we will
see who is the lying c***
Renewable energy is good if it works,

but what about the cost

Getting down to, or below, the cost of fossil fuel derived energy.
Remember, the energy source is essentially free with renewables once
capital set-up costs are paid for. It's only maintenance costs after that.

That was always the case with Hydro power. The added benefit of building
dams was the ability to gain a permanent water storage facility for
farming. The Burrinjuck Dam in NSW is the perfect example of the
multiple benefits that dams provide. http://tinyurl.com/z35zkmy

From the link the dam provides for;
town water supplies,
controlled river flows
domestic requirements,
irrigated agriculture,
industry,
flood mitigation,
environmental flows.
provides a regulated flow of water for the Coleambally and Murrumbidgee
Irrigation Areas.

Before the dam, the area was subject to huge flood events in winter and
minimal river flows in the summer. Basically, the river was unreliable.

The above, it needs to be said, is on top of electricity generation;
Electricty generation was a secondary objective with the planning and
building of the Burrinjuck Dam but, since the water needed to have
*controlled release*, was easily implemented at the design stage.

The dam houses a hydroelectric power station and has one turbine
generator, with a generating capacity of 28 megawatts (38,000 hp)
of electricity; with a net generation of 24.5 gigawatt-hours (88 TJ)
per annum.

Try not to think of the single benefit of electricty generation when you
think of dams and hydro power. It is also eminently suited to baseload
power generation but, if you stuff up the climate, and therefore
rainfall, don't expect hydro electricity to be a reliable baseload
generator.

--

Xeno

First they ignore you,
Then they ridicule you,
Then they fight you,
Then you win.

Mahatma Ghandi

 

[Fran Snortilus]

On 14/02/2017 7:39 PM, Trevor Wilson wrote:

On 14/02/2017 5:23 PM, Petzl wrote:
On Tue, 14 Feb 2017 16:57:42 +1100, Fran Snortilus <ask@itsahoot.com
wrote:

On 14/02/2017 11:46 AM, F Murtz wrote:
Trevor Wilson wrote:


**Don't tell Murtz that. He still doesn't accept the words of every
climatologist on the planet.

Especially the ones that deliberately make false reports

Name one or give a cite.

http://jennifermarohasy.com/about/
Jennifer Marohasy brought the BoM figuring into question
This story
http://jennifermarohasy.com/2015/09/you-dont-know-the-half-of-it-temperature-adjustments-and-the-australian-bureau-of-meteorology/

https://is.gd/WEBj8n


** https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jennifer_Marohasy

Marohasy is a member of the IPA. The IPA is an umbrella group for
deniers and other fruitcakes. She is a liar and an idiot.

I first came across her in "The Land". I was appalled.

Try and do better than her. Please.

 

[felix]

On Wednesday, 15 Feb 2017 12:35 PM, F Murtz wrote:

Trevor Wilson wrote:
On 14/02/2017 8:50 PM, F Murtz wrote:
Trevor Wilson wrote:
On 14/02/2017 12:24 PM, Xeno wrote:
On 14/02/2017 11:59 AM, Trevor Wilson wrote:
On 14/02/2017 11:53 AM, F Murtz wrote:
Clifford Heath wrote:
On 13/02/17 13:44, Je�us wrote:
On Sun, 12 Feb 2017 12:09:38 +1100, Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com
wrote:

On Sun, 12 Feb 2017 11:24:48 +1100, Jeßus <j@j.net> wrote:

On Sun, 12 Feb 2017 10:00:01 +1100, Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com
wrote:


Repairs to Basslink cable were happenining and the hydro dams
were
getting loow. But the survived

That Basslink cable is one of the dumbest ideas ever.
Personally
speaking, I'd like to see it chopped up into a thousand pieces
and
forgotten about. Tasmania would be, on the whole, far better
off
without it.

Well tasmania needs 100Mw generator without it.
Latest tech Wind Generation could do this?
http://reneweconomy.com.au/super-conductor-turbines-could-slash-australian-wind-energy-costs-84828/








https://is.gd/sbtNM1

Tasmania is perfectly capable of generating more power than it
needs
with just hydro and wind alone,

That was true before they had a ten-year drought.

It was all the fault of the liberals and AGW that the
liberals and
non greens caused

**Idiot. AGW has caused the drought in Tasmania. A fault in the
Basslink
cable caused the other part of the problem. It could be said that,
perhaps, Tasmania should consider another back-up system, should
both
problems occur again.

Wind generators on the west coast would be the most likely source.
The
west coast is the most consistently windy part of the state due to
the
Roaring Forties which blast onto the coast there. I used to work
on the
west coast of Tasmania some 4 decades ago and the most consistent
features of life there was the incessant rain and the equally
incessant
wind. They measure rainfall over there in metres.


**That would be unacceptable to Murtz. He has a pathological and
irrational hatred of any form of renewable energy system.

More Unprovable crap from the omniscient Trevor I have never said any
such thing.

**Lying cunt. Many times over many threads, you have expressed your
hatred of the Greens and renewable energy. You have consistently
expressed your banal view that coal and nukes are fine and that AGW does
not exist. You seem to forget that the crap you write is available for
all to see.

Just put up your evidence that I hate renewable energy then we will
see who is the lying c***
Renewable energy is good if it works,

but what about the cost

my problem is with it when it is a waste of time or does not work
efficiently,Coal is fine as a stop gap till the bugs are worked out in
renewables.


I have a view that reliance on renewables to the exclusion of
any other methods when it is obvious that the current state of
renewable
energy generation is not enough except in some rare situations is
folly.

**Only because your kind continues to to support coal-fired power.
Australia could easily transition to fully renewable energy within a
couple of decades.

Renewable energy generation is definitely something to aim for but I
was
pointing out where it is not working because it is not up to the point
yet and needs not so green assistance till such time,which SA has not
allowed for.

**And again: The SA problems began when YOUR mates in the Lieberal Party
of SA sold off electricity assets to private industry. Do you understand
and acknowledge that?


I will acknowledge that the power has been sold off everywhere bit by
bit when I would rather it not

--
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http://www.barenakedislam.com/
http://www.siotw.org

 

[F Murtz]

Trevor Wilson wrote:

On 14/02/2017 8:50 PM, F Murtz wrote:
Trevor Wilson wrote:
On 14/02/2017 12:24 PM, Xeno wrote:
On 14/02/2017 11:59 AM, Trevor Wilson wrote:
On 14/02/2017 11:53 AM, F Murtz wrote:
Clifford Heath wrote:
On 13/02/17 13:44, Je�us wrote:
On Sun, 12 Feb 2017 12:09:38 +1100, Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> wrote:

On Sun, 12 Feb 2017 11:24:48 +1100, Jeßus <j@j.net> wrote:

On Sun, 12 Feb 2017 10:00:01 +1100, Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com
wrote:


Repairs to Basslink cable were happenining and the hydro dams
were
getting loow. But the survived

That Basslink cable is one of the dumbest ideas ever. Personally
speaking, I'd like to see it chopped up into a thousand pieces
and
forgotten about. Tasmania would be, on the whole, far better off
without it.

Well tasmania needs 100Mw generator without it.
Latest tech Wind Generation could do this?
http://reneweconomy.com.au/super-conductor-turbines-could-slash-australian-wind-energy-costs-84828/







https://is.gd/sbtNM1

Tasmania is perfectly capable of generating more power than it
needs
with just hydro and wind alone,

That was true before they had a ten-year drought.

It was all the fault of the liberals and AGW that the liberals and
non greens caused

**Idiot. AGW has caused the drought in Tasmania. A fault in the
Basslink
cable caused the other part of the problem. It could be said that,
perhaps, Tasmania should consider another back-up system, should both
problems occur again.

Wind generators on the west coast would be the most likely source. The
west coast is the most consistently windy part of the state due to the
Roaring Forties which blast onto the coast there. I used to work on the
west coast of Tasmania some 4 decades ago and the most consistent
features of life there was the incessant rain and the equally incessant
wind. They measure rainfall over there in metres.


**That would be unacceptable to Murtz. He has a pathological and
irrational hatred of any form of renewable energy system.

More Unprovable crap from the omniscient Trevor I have never said any
such thing.

**Lying cunt. Many times over many threads, you have expressed your
hatred of the Greens and renewable energy. You have consistently
expressed your banal view that coal and nukes are fine and that AGW does
not exist. You seem to forget that the crap you write is available for
all to see.

Just put up your evidence that I hate renewable energy then we will see
who is the lying c***
Renewable energy is good if it works, my problem is with it when it is a
waste of time or does not work efficiently,Coal is fine as a stop gap
till the bugs are worked out in renewables.

I have a view that reliance on renewables to the exclusion of
any other methods when it is obvious that the current state of renewable
energy generation is not enough except in some rare situations is folly.

**Only because your kind continues to to support coal-fired power.
Australia could easily transition to fully renewable energy within a
couple of decades.

Renewable energy generation is definitely something to aim for but I was
pointing out where it is not working because it is not up to the point
yet and needs not so green assistance till such time,which SA has not
allowed for.

**And again: The SA problems began when YOUR mates in the Lieberal Party
of SA sold off electricity assets to private industry. Do you understand
and acknowledge that?

I will acknowledge that the power has been sold off everywhere bit by
bit when I would rather it not