SA Greenies

[de chucka]

On 21/02/2017 10:30 AM, Petzl wrote:

On Tue, 21 Feb 2017 01:46:10 +1100, F Murtz <haggisz@hotmail.com
wrote:

what right do you have to trap them?
He is also putting out baits to entice his neighbors cat to enter his
property,

did he say that he was?



Yes he did,on the 18/02
"**It is indeed. Possum cages work well. A can of tuna or salmon and the
cat is caught. The average cat in Australia is reputed to kill something
like 7 native animals per year. It's appalling. Cat owners are, in the
main, a disgusting sub-set of humanity. That said, not all are like
that. A mate's wife owned a cat, so my mate arranged for a large
indoor/outdoor area to be securely fenced with chicken wire, so the cat
could play and not interact with any native species. He is in the minority."

No mention or survey mentioned the greater killing of birds by rats,
The greatest threat is "flying rats" (Indian Myna)

Hey Fran I shoot then as well also starlings

 

[de chucka]

On 20/02/2017 9:18 AM, Fran Snortilus wrote:

On 20/02/2017 8:23 AM, Trevor Wilson wrote:

I've seen domestic cats eating my frogs (frogs are really easy
game for any predator) and I've seen them stalk magpies. Cats need to be
kept indoors at all times. I enjoy my native wildlife.

As you're interested in frogs, do you know of any decent sites that help
in identify them? We've got pobblebonk frogs which we enjoy during the
summer, but I've just found 3 small grey little frogs in a particular
hidey hole and would like to know what they are.

https://frogs.org.au/frogs/

 

[SG1]

"de chucka" <Dechucka1@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:15OdnYVs0IJrEDbFnZ2dnUU7-asAAAAA@westnet.com.au...

snip
what right do you have to trap them?

He is also putting out baits to entice his neighbors cat to enter his
property, needs his arse sued off by a lawyer.

2 paracetamol tablets in the bait is effective but illegal

Not if the cat has a headache. ;-)

>

 

[Fran Snortilus]

On 21/02/2017 12:37 PM, de chucka wrote:

On 20/02/2017 9:18 AM, Fran Snortilus wrote:
On 20/02/2017 8:23 AM, Trevor Wilson wrote:

I've seen domestic cats eating my frogs (frogs are really easy
game for any predator) and I've seen them stalk magpies. Cats need to be
kept indoors at all times. I enjoy my native wildlife.

As you're interested in frogs, do you know of any decent sites that help
in identify them? We've got pobblebonk frogs which we enjoy during the
summer, but I've just found 3 small grey little frogs in a particular
hidey hole and would like to know what they are.



https://frogs.org.au/frogs/

Thanks dechucka. I had looked at that site but can't identify the ones
I have here.

 

[Fran Snortilus]

On 21/02/2017 11:52 AM, de chucka wrote:

On 21/02/2017 10:30 AM, Petzl wrote:
On Tue, 21 Feb 2017 01:46:10 +1100, F Murtz <haggisz@hotmail.com
wrote:

what right do you have to trap them?
He is also putting out baits to entice his neighbors cat to enter his
property,

did he say that he was?



Yes he did,on the 18/02
"**It is indeed. Possum cages work well. A can of tuna or salmon and the
cat is caught. The average cat in Australia is reputed to kill something
like 7 native animals per year. It's appalling. Cat owners are, in the
main, a disgusting sub-set of humanity. That said, not all are like
that. A mate's wife owned a cat, so my mate arranged for a large
indoor/outdoor area to be securely fenced with chicken wire, so the cat
could play and not interact with any native species. He is in the
minority."

No mention or survey mentioned the greater killing of birds by rats,
The greatest threat is "flying rats" (Indian Myna)

Hey Fran I shoot then as well also starlings

If they're on your property, then I can't see a problem with that. It's
probably like it is round here for dogs, "shoot and shut up". But I do
trap feral cats and take them to the pound as shooting the would not be
possible.

 

[de chucka]

On 21/02/2017 1:14 PM, SG1 wrote:

"de chucka" <Dechucka1@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:15OdnYVs0IJrEDbFnZ2dnUU7-asAAAAA@westnet.com.au...
snip
what right do you have to trap them?

He is also putting out baits to entice his neighbors cat to enter his
property, needs his arse sued off by a lawyer.

2 paracetamol tablets in the bait is effective but illegal

Not if the cat has a headache. ;-)

True will cure it's headache and it's habit of wandering

 

[F Murtz]

Petzl wrote:

On Tue, 21 Feb 2017 10:10:11 +1100, Trevor Wilson
trevor@SPAMBLOCKrageaudio.com.au> wrote:

**OK. Rats are a small problem in my area. Baits and traps deal with the
problem quite well. As do Kookaburras and in one case I witnessed,
Butcher Birds (I saw a male carrying a baby rat off to eat). I accept
that your issues are more serious. FWIW: A school mate and his family
owned a Terrier (don't recall what kind - short red, wiry haired type).
It was an amazing ratter. At least once a week, it would present it's
latest kill at the back door of their home. It NEVER killed birds. Just
rats. Smart, friendly and fun. Geez it was a fabulous dog. Even after
losing an eye in an accident, it would still kill rats.

According to a report commissioned by your council rats are a large
problem

The Black Rat climbs trees and eats small birds or eggs out of their
nests, as well as fruit and vegetables.

They often cause damage by gnawing pipes, telephone cords and hoses.
They are unhygienic and the carrier of disease. This Rat can have up
to 60 young in a year and at three months, are sexually mature.
The Black Rat is commonly sighted in the Rockdale area by day or
night. Common sightings are around most of our waterways and
beach areas. This is the rat seen by most people.
Most people wrongly call them Water Rats; nothing could be further
from the truth.

Of course then there is the rat disease problem
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2015-01-15/increased-rat-sightings-across-sydney/6018656
https://is.gd/wD1SYI
Reports of increased rat sightings across Sydney spark disease
concerns
*****************

Then with even feral cats
http://www.sciencemag.org/news/2013/08/australian-cats-and-foxes-may-not-deserve-their-bad-rep
https://is.gd/RoXaoU
Foxes and feral cats are wildly unpopular among Australian
conservationists. The two animals are infamous for killing off the
continent's native species, and they?e been the targets of numerous
government-backed eradication campaigns.

But new research suggests that on Australian islands, these predators
help control an even more destructive one: the black rat. As a result,
eliminating cats and foxes could actually leave native mammals more
vulnerable to predation, competition, and ultimately extinction.

Have you seen the list of things the noisy miners get up to?

 

[F Murtz]

Fran Snortilus wrote:

On 21/02/2017 1:46 AM, F Murtz wrote:
felix wrote:
On Monday, 20 Feb 2017 7:53 PM, Petzl wrote:
On Mon, 20 Feb 2017 19:43:15 +1100, felix <felix@real_felix.invalid
wrote:

On Monday, 20 Feb 2017 11:29 AM, Trevor Wilson wrote:
On 20/02/2017 11:28 AM, felix wrote:
On Monday, 20 Feb 2017 9:27 AM, Trevor Wilson wrote:
On 19/02/2017 12:06 PM, felix wrote:
On Sunday, 19 Feb 2017 10:20 AM, Trevor Wilson wrote:
On 18/02/2017 9:17 PM, felix wrote:
On Friday, 17 Feb 2017 7:36 PM, Trevor Wilson wrote:

In any case, if you are REALLY so fucking concerned about
birds (I
bet
you're not), then you should be killing cats. Cats kill 10,000
times
more birds than wind turbines do.

So, what will you do? Kill a cat today? I send my neighbour's
cats
off
to the pound when I catch them.
what a prick you are! it's not illegal to own a cat. do you
also run
elderly drivers off the road coz they're too slow?
**Thanks to NSW state law, I am entitled to exterminate any
cats I
find on my property.
I didn't know that
**Yep:

http://www.legislation.nsw.gov.au/inforce/8444158c-3268-4730-ab8e-eaf50faf4bc2/1998-87.pdf






Page 23.
One would assume that since you are capable of quoting the act, you
are
also capable of reading it. It does NOT give you 'cart blanche' a
right
to kill cats on your property, viz...

Companion Animals Act 1998 No 87 [NSW]
Part 4 Responsibilities for control of cats

(3) If a cat that is not under the effective control of some
competent
person enters any
inclosed lands within the meaning of the Inclosed Lands Protection
Act
1901 and
approaches any animal being farmed on the land, the occupier of the
land
or any
person authorised by the occupier can lawfully injure or destroy
the cat
if he or she
reasonably believes that the cat will molest, attack or cause
injury to
any of those
animals.

(4) An authorised officer who finds a cat attacking or harassing an
animal (other than
vermin) within a wildlife protection area (as defined in section 30
(1)
(b)) can
lawfully injure or destroy the cat if there is no other reasonably
practicable way of
protecting the animal.

(5) A person who takes action under the authority of this section
that
results in the injury
to or death of a cat must:
(a) take reasonable steps to ensure that an injured cat receives any
necessary
treatment, and
(b) report the matter to an authorised officer (unless the person
is an
authorised
officer) and comply with such reasonable directions as the
authorised
officer
may give for the purpose of causing the cat to be returned to its
owner
or taken
to a council pound, and
(c) take reasonable steps to inform the owner of the cat.

(6) An authorised officer is not to give a direction under this
section
for the purpose of
causing a cat to be taken to a council pound unless the authorised
officer is satisfied
that the owner of the cat cannot be identified.

(7) Nothing in this section authorises a contravention of the

(8) The authority conferred by this section to destroy a cat extends
only to authorising
the destruction of the cat in a manner that causes it to die
quickly and
without
unnecessary suffering.
..................................................

firstly the property must comply with the meaning of inclosed
land as
prescribed by the Inclosed Lands Protection Act 1901, secondly the
cat
has to be threat to a 'farmed animal', thirdly you need to comply
with
the directions in section (5), and lastly nothing may be done that
contravenes the Prevention of Cruelty to Animals Act 1979.

do you have any farmed animals on your property? does it constitute
'inclosed land'? if not, then you have no right to kill or injure
any
cat on your premises. and if you do so, I would suggest you would be
subject to penalties under the provision of cruelty to animals
legislation
**You are correct. However, the local animal control officer provided
me sufficient information to deal with all that. Either way, I don't
kill them. I catch them and send them to the pound.


what right do you have to trap them?
He is also putting out baits to entice his neighbors cat to enter his
property,

did he say that he was?



Yes he did,on the 18/02

There is a difference between "enticing" and "trapping". He's trapping
and the food is the bait for the trap. He could quite legitimately
claim that he's not doing any "enticing" at all. If the cat is in his
yard, it's not there with his approval.

NO it is in there trying to find the where the delicious fish smell is
coming from



No owner of a wandering cat

should complain if the cat enters a baited trap. In suburbia, no-one
who does not own a cat should be subject to the incursions of someone
else's pet on a regular basis.


"**It is indeed. Possum cages work well. A can of tuna or salmon and the
cat is caught. The average cat in Australia is reputed to kill something
like 7 native animals per year. It's appalling. Cat owners are, in the
main, a disgusting sub-set of humanity. That said, not all are like
that. A mate's wife owned a cat, so my mate arranged for a large
indoor/outdoor area to be securely fenced with chicken wire, so the cat
could play and not interact with any native species. He is in the
minority."






needs his arse sued off by a lawyer.

 

[F Murtz]

de chucka wrote:

snip
what right do you have to trap them?

He is also putting out baits to entice his neighbors cat to enter his
property, needs his arse sued off by a lawyer.

2 paracetamol tablets in the bait is effective but illegal

There is something else in common use but I won't mention it as it may
give cat haters ideas.

 

[de chucka]

On 22/02/2017 12:58 AM, F Murtz wrote:

Fran Snortilus wrote:
On 21/02/2017 1:46 AM, F Murtz wrote:
felix wrote:
On Monday, 20 Feb 2017 7:53 PM, Petzl wrote:
On Mon, 20 Feb 2017 19:43:15 +1100, felix <felix@real_felix.invalid
wrote:

On Monday, 20 Feb 2017 11:29 AM, Trevor Wilson wrote:
On 20/02/2017 11:28 AM, felix wrote:
On Monday, 20 Feb 2017 9:27 AM, Trevor Wilson wrote:
On 19/02/2017 12:06 PM, felix wrote:
On Sunday, 19 Feb 2017 10:20 AM, Trevor Wilson wrote:
On 18/02/2017 9:17 PM, felix wrote:
On Friday, 17 Feb 2017 7:36 PM, Trevor Wilson wrote:

In any case, if you are REALLY so fucking concerned about
birds (I
bet
you're not), then you should be killing cats. Cats kill 10,000
times
more birds than wind turbines do.

So, what will you do? Kill a cat today? I send my neighbour's
cats
off
to the pound when I catch them.
what a prick you are! it's not illegal to own a cat. do you
also run
elderly drivers off the road coz they're too slow?
**Thanks to NSW state law, I am entitled to exterminate any
cats I
find on my property.
I didn't know that
**Yep:

http://www.legislation.nsw.gov.au/inforce/8444158c-3268-4730-ab8e-eaf50faf4bc2/1998-87.pdf







Page 23.
One would assume that since you are capable of quoting the act, you
are
also capable of reading it. It does NOT give you 'cart blanche' a
right
to kill cats on your property, viz...

Companion Animals Act 1998 No 87 [NSW]
Part 4 Responsibilities for control of cats

(3) If a cat that is not under the effective control of some
competent
person enters any
inclosed lands within the meaning of the Inclosed Lands Protection
Act
1901 and
approaches any animal being farmed on the land, the occupier of the
land
or any
person authorised by the occupier can lawfully injure or destroy
the cat
if he or she
reasonably believes that the cat will molest, attack or cause
injury to
any of those
animals.

(4) An authorised officer who finds a cat attacking or harassing an
animal (other than
vermin) within a wildlife protection area (as defined in section 30
(1)
(b)) can
lawfully injure or destroy the cat if there is no other reasonably
practicable way of
protecting the animal.

(5) A person who takes action under the authority of this section
that
results in the injury
to or death of a cat must:
(a) take reasonable steps to ensure that an injured cat receives
any
necessary
treatment, and
(b) report the matter to an authorised officer (unless the person
is an
authorised
officer) and comply with such reasonable directions as the
authorised
officer
may give for the purpose of causing the cat to be returned to its
owner
or taken
to a council pound, and
(c) take reasonable steps to inform the owner of the cat.

(6) An authorised officer is not to give a direction under this
section
for the purpose of
causing a cat to be taken to a council pound unless the authorised
officer is satisfied
that the owner of the cat cannot be identified.

(7) Nothing in this section authorises a contravention of the

(8) The authority conferred by this section to destroy a cat
extends
only to authorising
the destruction of the cat in a manner that causes it to die
quickly and
without
unnecessary suffering.
..................................................

firstly the property must comply with the meaning of inclosed
land as
prescribed by the Inclosed Lands Protection Act 1901, secondly the
cat
has to be threat to a 'farmed animal', thirdly you need to comply
with
the directions in section (5), and lastly nothing may be done that
contravenes the Prevention of Cruelty to Animals Act 1979.

do you have any farmed animals on your property? does it constitute
'inclosed land'? if not, then you have no right to kill or injure
any
cat on your premises. and if you do so, I would suggest you
would be
subject to penalties under the provision of cruelty to animals
legislation
**You are correct. However, the local animal control officer
provided
me sufficient information to deal with all that. Either way, I don't
kill them. I catch them and send them to the pound.


what right do you have to trap them?
He is also putting out baits to entice his neighbors cat to enter his
property,

did he say that he was?



Yes he did,on the 18/02

There is a difference between "enticing" and "trapping". He's trapping
and the food is the bait for the trap. He could quite legitimately
claim that he's not doing any "enticing" at all. If the cat is in his
yard, it's not there with his approval.


NO it is in there trying to find the where the delicious fish smell is
coming from

AH we have a cat whisperer here. At least the wandering cat is eating
fish not killing wildlife

http://www.abc.net.au/environment/articles/2014/10/31/4118217.htm

 

[de chucka]

On 22/02/2017 1:00 AM, F Murtz wrote:

de chucka wrote:
snip
what right do you have to trap them?

He is also putting out baits to entice his neighbors cat to enter his
property, needs his arse sued off by a lawyer.

2 paracetamol tablets in the bait is effective but illegal

There is something else in common use but I won't mention it as it may
give cat haters ideas.

But most people have paracetamol around the house. I wouldn't suggest it
as it is a very cruel way to get rid of cats

 

[de chucka]

On 21/02/2017 11:44 AM, Petzl wrote:

On Tue, 21 Feb 2017 11:15:48 +1100, Trevor Wilson
trevor@SPAMBLOCKrageaudio.com.au> wrote:

On 21/02/2017 10:33 AM, Petzl wrote:
On Tue, 21 Feb 2017 10:10:11 +1100, Trevor Wilson
trevor@SPAMBLOCKrageaudio.com.au> wrote:

**OK. Rats are a small problem in my area. Baits and traps deal with the
problem quite well. As do Kookaburras and in one case I witnessed,
Butcher Birds (I saw a male carrying a baby rat off to eat). I accept
that your issues are more serious. FWIW: A school mate and his family
owned a Terrier (don't recall what kind - short red, wiry haired type).
It was an amazing ratter. At least once a week, it would present it's
latest kill at the back door of their home. It NEVER killed birds. Just
rats. Smart, friendly and fun. Geez it was a fabulous dog. Even after
losing an eye in an accident, it would still kill rats.

According to a report commissioned by your council rats are a large
problem


**Which is my council? I don't live in Rockdale.

OK but you live in Sydney
"Reports of increased rat sightings across Sydney spark disease"
Seem to register you mentioned Rockdale or being near in past. Might
of been Sutherland where is near the same as Rockdale area

According to a report commissioned by your council rats are a large
problem

The Black Rat climbs trees and eats small birds or eggs out of their
nests, as well as fruit and vegetables.

They often cause damage by gnawing pipes, telephone cords and hoses.
They are unhygienic and the carrier of disease. This Rat can have up
to 60 young in a year and at three months, are sexually mature.
The Black Rat is commonly sighted in the Rockdale area by day or
night. Common sightings are around most of our waterways and
beach areas. This is the rat seen by most people.
Most people wrongly call them Water Rats; nothing could be further
from the truth.

Of course then there is the rat disease problem
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2015-01-15/increased-rat-sightings-across-sydney/6018656
https://is.gd/wD1SYI
Reports of increased rat sightings across Sydney spark disease
concerns
*****************

Then with even feral cats
http://www.sciencemag.org/news/2013/08/australian-cats-and-foxes-may-not-deserve-their-bad-rep
https://is.gd/RoXaoU
Foxes and feral cats are wildly unpopular among Australian
conservationists. The two animals are infamous for killing off the
continent's native species, and they?e been the targets of numerous
government-backed eradication campaigns.

But new research suggests that on Australian islands, these predators
help control an even more destructive one: the black rat. As a result,
eliminating cats and foxes could actually leave native mammals more
vulnerable to predation, competition, and ultimately extinction.

Which is why they eradicate all 3 on islands. Rats, foxes AND cats are
all destructive to our native wildlife

 

[Fran Snortilus]

On 22/02/2017 12:58 AM, F Murtz wrote:

Fran Snortilus wrote:
On 21/02/2017 1:46 AM, F Murtz wrote:
felix wrote:
On Monday, 20 Feb 2017 7:53 PM, Petzl wrote:
On Mon, 20 Feb 2017 19:43:15 +1100, felix <felix@real_felix.invalid
wrote:

On Monday, 20 Feb 2017 11:29 AM, Trevor Wilson wrote:
On 20/02/2017 11:28 AM, felix wrote:
On Monday, 20 Feb 2017 9:27 AM, Trevor Wilson wrote:
On 19/02/2017 12:06 PM, felix wrote:
On Sunday, 19 Feb 2017 10:20 AM, Trevor Wilson wrote:
On 18/02/2017 9:17 PM, felix wrote:
On Friday, 17 Feb 2017 7:36 PM, Trevor Wilson wrote:

In any case, if you are REALLY so fucking concerned about
birds (I
bet
you're not), then you should be killing cats. Cats kill 10,000
times
more birds than wind turbines do.

So, what will you do? Kill a cat today? I send my neighbour's
cats
off
to the pound when I catch them.
what a prick you are! it's not illegal to own a cat. do you
also run
elderly drivers off the road coz they're too slow?
**Thanks to NSW state law, I am entitled to exterminate any
cats I
find on my property.
I didn't know that
**Yep:

http://www.legislation.nsw.gov.au/inforce/8444158c-3268-4730-ab8e-eaf50faf4bc2/1998-87.pdf







Page 23.
One would assume that since you are capable of quoting the act, you
are
also capable of reading it. It does NOT give you 'cart blanche' a
right
to kill cats on your property, viz...

Companion Animals Act 1998 No 87 [NSW]
Part 4 Responsibilities for control of cats

(3) If a cat that is not under the effective control of some
competent
person enters any
inclosed lands within the meaning of the Inclosed Lands Protection
Act
1901 and
approaches any animal being farmed on the land, the occupier of the
land
or any
person authorised by the occupier can lawfully injure or destroy
the cat
if he or she
reasonably believes that the cat will molest, attack or cause
injury to
any of those
animals.

(4) An authorised officer who finds a cat attacking or harassing an
animal (other than
vermin) within a wildlife protection area (as defined in section 30
(1)
(b)) can
lawfully injure or destroy the cat if there is no other reasonably
practicable way of
protecting the animal.

(5) A person who takes action under the authority of this section
that
results in the injury
to or death of a cat must:
(a) take reasonable steps to ensure that an injured cat receives
any
necessary
treatment, and
(b) report the matter to an authorised officer (unless the person
is an
authorised
officer) and comply with such reasonable directions as the
authorised
officer
may give for the purpose of causing the cat to be returned to its
owner
or taken
to a council pound, and
(c) take reasonable steps to inform the owner of the cat.

(6) An authorised officer is not to give a direction under this
section
for the purpose of
causing a cat to be taken to a council pound unless the authorised
officer is satisfied
that the owner of the cat cannot be identified.

(7) Nothing in this section authorises a contravention of the

(8) The authority conferred by this section to destroy a cat
extends
only to authorising
the destruction of the cat in a manner that causes it to die
quickly and
without
unnecessary suffering.
..................................................

firstly the property must comply with the meaning of inclosed
land as
prescribed by the Inclosed Lands Protection Act 1901, secondly the
cat
has to be threat to a 'farmed animal', thirdly you need to comply
with
the directions in section (5), and lastly nothing may be done that
contravenes the Prevention of Cruelty to Animals Act 1979.

do you have any farmed animals on your property? does it constitute
'inclosed land'? if not, then you have no right to kill or injure
any
cat on your premises. and if you do so, I would suggest you
would be
subject to penalties under the provision of cruelty to animals
legislation
**You are correct. However, the local animal control officer
provided
me sufficient information to deal with all that. Either way, I don't
kill them. I catch them and send them to the pound.


what right do you have to trap them?
He is also putting out baits to entice his neighbors cat to enter his
property,

did he say that he was?



Yes he did,on the 18/02

There is a difference between "enticing" and "trapping". He's trapping
and the food is the bait for the trap. He could quite legitimately
claim that he's not doing any "enticing" at all. If the cat is in his
yard, it's not there with his approval.


NO it is in there trying to find the where the delicious fish smell is
coming from

You still don't get it. The cat is in the yard of someone who does not
want it there and who has every right to say what is in his own
backyard. If it's owners were responsible and didn't let their cat
wander, then it would still smell lots of delicious things but from it's
OWN owner's yard.

 

[Petzl]

On Wed, 22 Feb 2017 00:54:58 +1100, F Murtz <haggisz@hotmail.com>
wrote:

Petzl wrote:
On Tue, 21 Feb 2017 10:10:11 +1100, Trevor Wilson
trevor@SPAMBLOCKrageaudio.com.au> wrote:

**OK. Rats are a small problem in my area. Baits and traps deal with the
problem quite well. As do Kookaburras and in one case I witnessed,
Butcher Birds (I saw a male carrying a baby rat off to eat). I accept
that your issues are more serious. FWIW: A school mate and his family
owned a Terrier (don't recall what kind - short red, wiry haired type).
It was an amazing ratter. At least once a week, it would present it's
latest kill at the back door of their home. It NEVER killed birds. Just
rats. Smart, friendly and fun. Geez it was a fabulous dog. Even after
losing an eye in an accident, it would still kill rats.

According to a report commissioned by your council rats are a large
problem

The Black Rat climbs trees and eats small birds or eggs out of their
nests, as well as fruit and vegetables.

They often cause damage by gnawing pipes, telephone cords and hoses.
They are unhygienic and the carrier of disease. This Rat can have up
to 60 young in a year and at three months, are sexually mature.
The Black Rat is commonly sighted in the Rockdale area by day or
night. Common sightings are around most of our waterways and
beach areas. This is the rat seen by most people.
Most people wrongly call them Water Rats; nothing could be further
from the truth.

Of course then there is the rat disease problem
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2015-01-15/increased-rat-sightings-across-sydney/6018656
https://is.gd/wD1SYI
Reports of increased rat sightings across Sydney spark disease
concerns
*****************

Then with even feral cats
http://www.sciencemag.org/news/2013/08/australian-cats-and-foxes-may-not-deserve-their-bad-rep
https://is.gd/RoXaoU
Foxes and feral cats are wildly unpopular among Australian
conservationists. The two animals are infamous for killing off the
continent's native species, and they?e been the targets of numerous
government-backed eradication campaigns.

But new research suggests that on Australian islands, these predators
help control an even more destructive one: the black rat. As a result,
eliminating cats and foxes could actually leave native mammals more
vulnerable to predation, competition, and ultimately extinction.

Have you seen the list of things the noisy miners get up to?

Read it here Clever Trevor snipped it!
<http://www.abc.net.au/news/2014-12-14/native-noisy-miners-cause-more-damage-than-introduced-species/5964328>
https://is.gd/l9DTiJ
Native noisy miners cause more damage than introduced Indian myna,
research finds
By Eric Tlozek
Updated 14 Dec 2014, 6:17pm
--
Petzl
In 2009, Buzz Aldrin commented on climate change by saying:
"I think the climate has been changing for billions of years.
If it's warming now, it may cool off later.
I'm not in favor of just taking short-term isolated situations and depleting our resources to keep our climate just the way it is today.
I'm not necessarily of the school that we are causing it all,
I think the world is causing it.

 

[Petzl]

On Wed, 22 Feb 2017 00:58:00 +1100, F Murtz <haggisz@hotmail.com>
wrote:

what right do you have to trap them?
He is also putting out baits to entice his neighbors cat to enter his
property,

did he say that he was?



Yes he did,on the 18/02

There is a difference between "enticing" and "trapping". He's trapping
and the food is the bait for the trap. He could quite legitimately
claim that he's not doing any "enticing" at all. If the cat is in his
yard, it's not there with his approval.


NO it is in there trying to find the where the delicious fish smell is
coming from

Clevor Trevor is applying these actions in high density suburbia (City
of Sydney), not wop wop!
This is attacking domestic de-sexed companion cats1!

No owner of a wandering cat
should complain if the cat enters a baited trap. In suburbia, no-one
who does not own a cat should be subject to the incursions of someone
else's pet on a regular basis.


"**It is indeed. Possum cages work well. A can of tuna or salmon and the
cat is caught. The average cat in Australia is reputed to kill something
like 7 native animals per year. It's appalling. Cat owners are, in the
main, a disgusting sub-set of humanity. That said, not all are like
that. A mate's wife owned a cat, so my mate arranged for a large
indoor/outdoor area to be securely fenced with chicken wire, so the cat
could play and not interact with any native species. He is in the
minority."

--
Petzl
Says a Liberal card carrying *SHILL*!
"FRAN" the Shill"
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shill#Marketing

To argue with a person who has renounced the use of reason
is like administering medicine to the dead.

 

[Petzl]

On Wed, 22 Feb 2017 09:29:57 +1100, Fran Snortilus
<nuts@loathsomeneedshelp.com> wrote:

Yes he did,on the 18/02

There is a difference between "enticing" and "trapping". He's trapping
and the food is the bait for the trap. He could quite legitimately
claim that he's not doing any "enticing" at all. If the cat is in his
yard, it's not there with his approval.


NO it is in there trying to find the where the delicious fish smell is
coming from

You still don't get it. The cat is in the yard of someone who does not
want it there and who has every right to say what is in his own
backyard. If it's owners were responsible and didn't let their cat
wander, then it would still smell lots of delicious things but from it's
OWN owner's yard.

Clevor Trevor is applying these actions in high density suburbia (City
of Sydney), not wop wop!
This is attacking domestic de-sexed companion cats1!
--
Petzl
Says a Liberal card carrying *SHILL*!
"FRAN" the Shill"
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shill#Marketing

To argue with a person who has renounced the use of reason
is like administering medicine to the dead.

 

[felix]

On Tuesday, 21 Feb 2017 1:46 AM, F Murtz wrote:

felix wrote:
On Monday, 20 Feb 2017 7:53 PM, Petzl wrote:
On Mon, 20 Feb 2017 19:43:15 +1100, felix <felix@real_felix.invalid
wrote:

On Monday, 20 Feb 2017 11:29 AM, Trevor Wilson wrote:
On 20/02/2017 11:28 AM, felix wrote:
On Monday, 20 Feb 2017 9:27 AM, Trevor Wilson wrote:
On 19/02/2017 12:06 PM, felix wrote:
On Sunday, 19 Feb 2017 10:20 AM, Trevor Wilson wrote:
On 18/02/2017 9:17 PM, felix wrote:
On Friday, 17 Feb 2017 7:36 PM, Trevor Wilson wrote:

In any case, if you are REALLY so fucking concerned about
birds (I
bet
you're not), then you should be killing cats. Cats kill 10,000
times
more birds than wind turbines do.

So, what will you do? Kill a cat today? I send my neighbour's
cats
off
to the pound when I catch them.
what a prick you are! it's not illegal to own a cat. do you
also run
elderly drivers off the road coz they're too slow?
**Thanks to NSW state law, I am entitled to exterminate any
cats I
find on my property.
I didn't know that
**Yep:

http://www.legislation.nsw.gov.au/inforce/8444158c-3268-4730-ab8e-eaf50faf4bc2/1998-87.pdf





Page 23.
One would assume that since you are capable of quoting the act, you
are
also capable of reading it. It does NOT give you 'cart blanche' a
right
to kill cats on your property, viz...

Companion Animals Act 1998 No 87 [NSW]
Part 4 Responsibilities for control of cats

(3) If a cat that is not under the effective control of some
competent
person enters any
inclosed lands within the meaning of the Inclosed Lands
Protection Act
1901 and
approaches any animal being farmed on the land, the occupier of the
land
or any
person authorised by the occupier can lawfully injure or destroy
the cat
if he or she
reasonably believes that the cat will molest, attack or cause
injury to
any of those
animals.

(4) An authorised officer who finds a cat attacking or harassing an
animal (other than
vermin) within a wildlife protection area (as defined in section 30
(1)
(b)) can
lawfully injure or destroy the cat if there is no other reasonably
practicable way of
protecting the animal.

(5) A person who takes action under the authority of this section
that
results in the injury
to or death of a cat must:
(a) take reasonable steps to ensure that an injured cat receives any
necessary
treatment, and
(b) report the matter to an authorised officer (unless the person
is an
authorised
officer) and comply with such reasonable directions as the
authorised
officer
may give for the purpose of causing the cat to be returned to its
owner
or taken
to a council pound, and
(c) take reasonable steps to inform the owner of the cat.

(6) An authorised officer is not to give a direction under this
section
for the purpose of
causing a cat to be taken to a council pound unless the authorised
officer is satisfied
that the owner of the cat cannot be identified.

(7) Nothing in this section authorises a contravention of the

(8) The authority conferred by this section to destroy a cat extends
only to authorising
the destruction of the cat in a manner that causes it to die
quickly and
without
unnecessary suffering.
..................................................

firstly the property must comply with the meaning of inclosed
land as
prescribed by the Inclosed Lands Protection Act 1901, secondly
the cat
has to be threat to a 'farmed animal', thirdly you need to comply
with
the directions in section (5), and lastly nothing may be done that
contravenes the Prevention of Cruelty to Animals Act 1979.

do you have any farmed animals on your property? does it constitute
'inclosed land'? if not, then you have no right to kill or
injure any
cat on your premises. and if you do so, I would suggest you would be
subject to penalties under the provision of cruelty to animals
legislation
**You are correct. However, the local animal control officer provided
me sufficient information to deal with all that. Either way, I don't
kill them. I catch them and send them to the pound.


what right do you have to trap them?
He is also putting out baits to entice his neighbors cat to enter his
property,

did he say that he was?



Yes he did,on the 18/02
"**It is indeed. Possum cages work well. A can of tuna or salmon and
the cat is caught. The average cat in Australia is reputed to kill
something like 7 native animals per year. It's appalling. Cat owners
are, in the main, a disgusting sub-set of humanity. That said, not all
are like that. A mate's wife owned a cat, so my mate arranged for a
large indoor/outdoor area to be securely fenced with chicken wire, so
the cat could play and not interact with any native species. He is in
the minority."

yes, I wasn't thinking when I asked that


--
http://thereligionofpeace.com
http://www.barenakedislam.com/
http://www.siotw.org

 

[felix]

On Tuesday, 21 Feb 2017 11:50 AM, Petzl wrote:

On Tue, 21 Feb 2017 10:41:25 +1100, Fran Snortilus
nuts@loathsomeneedshelp.com> wrote:

On 21/02/2017 1:46 AM, F Murtz wrote:
felix wrote:
On Monday, 20 Feb 2017 7:53 PM, Petzl wrote:
On Mon, 20 Feb 2017 19:43:15 +1100, felix <felix@real_felix.invalid
wrote:

On Monday, 20 Feb 2017 11:29 AM, Trevor Wilson wrote:
On 20/02/2017 11:28 AM, felix wrote:
On Monday, 20 Feb 2017 9:27 AM, Trevor Wilson wrote:
On 19/02/2017 12:06 PM, felix wrote:
On Sunday, 19 Feb 2017 10:20 AM, Trevor Wilson wrote:
On 18/02/2017 9:17 PM, felix wrote:
On Friday, 17 Feb 2017 7:36 PM, Trevor Wilson wrote:

In any case, if you are REALLY so fucking concerned about
birds (I
bet
you're not), then you should be killing cats. Cats kill 10,000
times
more birds than wind turbines do.

So, what will you do? Kill a cat today? I send my neighbour's
cats
off
to the pound when I catch them.
what a prick you are! it's not illegal to own a cat. do you
also run
elderly drivers off the road coz they're too slow?
**Thanks to NSW state law, I am entitled to exterminate any cats I
find on my property.
I didn't know that
**Yep:

http://www.legislation.nsw.gov.au/inforce/8444158c-3268-4730-ab8e-eaf50faf4bc2/1998-87.pdf





Page 23.
One would assume that since you are capable of quoting the act, you
are
also capable of reading it. It does NOT give you 'cart blanche' a
right
to kill cats on your property, viz...

Companion Animals Act 1998 No 87 [NSW]
Part 4 Responsibilities for control of cats

(3) If a cat that is not under the effective control of some
competent
person enters any
inclosed lands within the meaning of the Inclosed Lands Protection
Act
1901 and
approaches any animal being farmed on the land, the occupier of the
land
or any
person authorised by the occupier can lawfully injure or destroy
the cat
if he or she
reasonably believes that the cat will molest, attack or cause
injury to
any of those
animals.

(4) An authorised officer who finds a cat attacking or harassing an
animal (other than
vermin) within a wildlife protection area (as defined in section 30
(1)
(b)) can
lawfully injure or destroy the cat if there is no other reasonably
practicable way of
protecting the animal.

(5) A person who takes action under the authority of this section
that
results in the injury
to or death of a cat must:
(a) take reasonable steps to ensure that an injured cat receives any
necessary
treatment, and
(b) report the matter to an authorised officer (unless the person
is an
authorised
officer) and comply with such reasonable directions as the authorised
officer
may give for the purpose of causing the cat to be returned to its
owner
or taken
to a council pound, and
(c) take reasonable steps to inform the owner of the cat.

(6) An authorised officer is not to give a direction under this
section
for the purpose of
causing a cat to be taken to a council pound unless the authorised
officer is satisfied
that the owner of the cat cannot be identified.

(7) Nothing in this section authorises a contravention of the

(8) The authority conferred by this section to destroy a cat extends
only to authorising
the destruction of the cat in a manner that causes it to die
quickly and
without
unnecessary suffering.
..................................................

firstly the property must comply with the meaning of inclosed land as
prescribed by the Inclosed Lands Protection Act 1901, secondly the
cat
has to be threat to a 'farmed animal', thirdly you need to comply
with
the directions in section (5), and lastly nothing may be done that
contravenes the Prevention of Cruelty to Animals Act 1979.

do you have any farmed animals on your property? does it constitute
'inclosed land'? if not, then you have no right to kill or injure
any
cat on your premises. and if you do so, I would suggest you would be
subject to penalties under the provision of cruelty to animals
legislation
**You are correct. However, the local animal control officer provided
me sufficient information to deal with all that. Either way, I don't
kill them. I catch them and send them to the pound.


what right do you have to trap them?
He is also putting out baits to entice his neighbors cat to enter his
property,
did he say that he was?


Yes he did,on the 18/02
There is a difference between "enticing" and "trapping". He's trapping
and the food is the bait for the trap. He could quite legitimately
claim that he's not doing any "enticing" at all. If the cat is in his
yard, it's not there with his approval. No owner of a wandering cat
should complain if the cat enters a baited trap. In suburbia, no-one
who does not own a cat should be subject to the incursions of someone
else's pet on a regular basis.

Entrapment his nieghbourhood cats would not ever enter his property if
he didn't lay food out for them!
Like you he's a vicious nutter at war with his neighbours
He has never had a cat problem it is just in his mind.

I tend to agree. he described then as 'filthy' animals, whereas in fact
cats are one the the cleanest pets you can own. they bury their
defecations and are constantly preening themselves



--
http://thereligionofpeace.com
http://www.barenakedislam.com/
http://www.siotw.org

 

[felix]

On Wednesday, 22 Feb 2017 12:58 AM, F Murtz wrote:

Fran Snortilus wrote:
On 21/02/2017 1:46 AM, F Murtz wrote:
felix wrote:
On Monday, 20 Feb 2017 7:53 PM, Petzl wrote:
On Mon, 20 Feb 2017 19:43:15 +1100, felix <felix@real_felix.invalid
wrote:

On Monday, 20 Feb 2017 11:29 AM, Trevor Wilson wrote:
On 20/02/2017 11:28 AM, felix wrote:
On Monday, 20 Feb 2017 9:27 AM, Trevor Wilson wrote:
On 19/02/2017 12:06 PM, felix wrote:
On Sunday, 19 Feb 2017 10:20 AM, Trevor Wilson wrote:
On 18/02/2017 9:17 PM, felix wrote:
On Friday, 17 Feb 2017 7:36 PM, Trevor Wilson wrote:

In any case, if you are REALLY so fucking concerned about
birds (I
bet
you're not), then you should be killing cats. Cats kill
10,000
times
more birds than wind turbines do.

So, what will you do? Kill a cat today? I send my neighbour's
cats
off
to the pound when I catch them.
what a prick you are! it's not illegal to own a cat. do you
also run
elderly drivers off the road coz they're too slow?
**Thanks to NSW state law, I am entitled to exterminate any
cats I
find on my property.
I didn't know that
**Yep:

http://www.legislation.nsw.gov.au/inforce/8444158c-3268-4730-ab8e-eaf50faf4bc2/1998-87.pdf







Page 23.
One would assume that since you are capable of quoting the act,
you
are
also capable of reading it. It does NOT give you 'cart blanche' a
right
to kill cats on your property, viz...

Companion Animals Act 1998 No 87 [NSW]
Part 4 Responsibilities for control of cats

(3) If a cat that is not under the effective control of some
competent
person enters any
inclosed lands within the meaning of the Inclosed Lands Protection
Act
1901 and
approaches any animal being farmed on the land, the occupier of
the
land
or any
person authorised by the occupier can lawfully injure or destroy
the cat
if he or she
reasonably believes that the cat will molest, attack or cause
injury to
any of those
animals.

(4) An authorised officer who finds a cat attacking or
harassing an
animal (other than
vermin) within a wildlife protection area (as defined in
section 30
(1)
(b)) can
lawfully injure or destroy the cat if there is no other reasonably
practicable way of
protecting the animal.

(5) A person who takes action under the authority of this section
that
results in the injury
to or death of a cat must:
(a) take reasonable steps to ensure that an injured cat
receives any
necessary
treatment, and
(b) report the matter to an authorised officer (unless the person
is an
authorised
officer) and comply with such reasonable directions as the
authorised
officer
may give for the purpose of causing the cat to be returned to its
owner
or taken
to a council pound, and
(c) take reasonable steps to inform the owner of the cat.

(6) An authorised officer is not to give a direction under this
section
for the purpose of
causing a cat to be taken to a council pound unless the authorised
officer is satisfied
that the owner of the cat cannot be identified.

(7) Nothing in this section authorises a contravention of the

(8) The authority conferred by this section to destroy a cat
extends
only to authorising
the destruction of the cat in a manner that causes it to die
quickly and
without
unnecessary suffering.
..................................................

firstly the property must comply with the meaning of inclosed
land as
prescribed by the Inclosed Lands Protection Act 1901, secondly the
cat
has to be threat to a 'farmed animal', thirdly you need to comply
with
the directions in section (5), and lastly nothing may be done that
contravenes the Prevention of Cruelty to Animals Act 1979.

do you have any farmed animals on your property? does it
constitute
'inclosed land'? if not, then you have no right to kill or injure
any
cat on your premises. and if you do so, I would suggest you
would be
subject to penalties under the provision of cruelty to animals
legislation
**You are correct. However, the local animal control officer
provided
me sufficient information to deal with all that. Either way, I
don't
kill them. I catch them and send them to the pound.


what right do you have to trap them?
He is also putting out baits to entice his neighbors cat to enter his
property,

did he say that he was?



Yes he did,on the 18/02

There is a difference between "enticing" and "trapping". He's trapping
and the food is the bait for the trap. He could quite legitimately
claim that he's not doing any "enticing" at all. If the cat is in his
yard, it's not there with his approval.


NO it is in there trying to find the where the delicious fish smell is
coming from

indeed



--
http://thereligionofpeace.com
http://www.barenakedislam.com/
http://www.siotw.org

 

[felix]

On Wednesday, 22 Feb 2017 9:29 AM, Fran Snortilus wrote:

On 22/02/2017 12:58 AM, F Murtz wrote:
Fran Snortilus wrote:
On 21/02/2017 1:46 AM, F Murtz wrote:
felix wrote:
On Monday, 20 Feb 2017 7:53 PM, Petzl wrote:
On Mon, 20 Feb 2017 19:43:15 +1100, felix <felix@real_felix.invalid
wrote:

On Monday, 20 Feb 2017 11:29 AM, Trevor Wilson wrote:
On 20/02/2017 11:28 AM, felix wrote:
On Monday, 20 Feb 2017 9:27 AM, Trevor Wilson wrote:
On 19/02/2017 12:06 PM, felix wrote:
On Sunday, 19 Feb 2017 10:20 AM, Trevor Wilson wrote:
On 18/02/2017 9:17 PM, felix wrote:
On Friday, 17 Feb 2017 7:36 PM, Trevor Wilson wrote:

In any case, if you are REALLY so fucking concerned about
birds (I
bet
you're not), then you should be killing cats. Cats kill
10,000
times
more birds than wind turbines do.

So, what will you do? Kill a cat today? I send my
neighbour's
cats
off
to the pound when I catch them.
what a prick you are! it's not illegal to own a cat. do you
also run
elderly drivers off the road coz they're too slow?
**Thanks to NSW state law, I am entitled to exterminate any
cats I
find on my property.
I didn't know that
**Yep:

http://www.legislation.nsw.gov.au/inforce/8444158c-3268-4730-ab8e-eaf50faf4bc2/1998-87.pdf








Page 23.
One would assume that since you are capable of quoting the
act, you
are
also capable of reading it. It does NOT give you 'cart blanche' a
right
to kill cats on your property, viz...

Companion Animals Act 1998 No 87 [NSW]
Part 4 Responsibilities for control of cats

(3) If a cat that is not under the effective control of some
competent
person enters any
inclosed lands within the meaning of the Inclosed Lands
Protection
Act
1901 and
approaches any animal being farmed on the land, the occupier
of the
land
or any
person authorised by the occupier can lawfully injure or destroy
the cat
if he or she
reasonably believes that the cat will molest, attack or cause
injury to
any of those
animals.

(4) An authorised officer who finds a cat attacking or
harassing an
animal (other than
vermin) within a wildlife protection area (as defined in
section 30
(1)
(b)) can
lawfully injure or destroy the cat if there is no other
reasonably
practicable way of
protecting the animal.

(5) A person who takes action under the authority of this section
that
results in the injury
to or death of a cat must:
(a) take reasonable steps to ensure that an injured cat receives
any
necessary
treatment, and
(b) report the matter to an authorised officer (unless the person
is an
authorised
officer) and comply with such reasonable directions as the
authorised
officer
may give for the purpose of causing the cat to be returned to its
owner
or taken
to a council pound, and
(c) take reasonable steps to inform the owner of the cat.

(6) An authorised officer is not to give a direction under this
section
for the purpose of
causing a cat to be taken to a council pound unless the
authorised
officer is satisfied
that the owner of the cat cannot be identified.

(7) Nothing in this section authorises a contravention of the

(8) The authority conferred by this section to destroy a cat
extends
only to authorising
the destruction of the cat in a manner that causes it to die
quickly and
without
unnecessary suffering.
..................................................

firstly the property must comply with the meaning of inclosed
land as
prescribed by the Inclosed Lands Protection Act 1901, secondly
the
cat
has to be threat to a 'farmed animal', thirdly you need to comply
with
the directions in section (5), and lastly nothing may be done
that
contravenes the Prevention of Cruelty to Animals Act 1979.

do you have any farmed animals on your property? does it
constitute
'inclosed land'? if not, then you have no right to kill or
injure
any
cat on your premises. and if you do so, I would suggest you
would be
subject to penalties under the provision of cruelty to animals
legislation
**You are correct. However, the local animal control officer
provided
me sufficient information to deal with all that. Either way, I
don't
kill them. I catch them and send them to the pound.


what right do you have to trap them?
He is also putting out baits to entice his neighbors cat to enter
his
property,

did he say that he was?



Yes he did,on the 18/02

There is a difference between "enticing" and "trapping". He's trapping
and the food is the bait for the trap. He could quite legitimately
claim that he's not doing any "enticing" at all. If the cat is in his
yard, it's not there with his approval.


NO it is in there trying to find the where the delicious fish smell is
coming from

You still don't get it. The cat is in the yard of someone who does
not want it there and who has every right to say what is in his own
backyard.

then just shoo it away. it will soon learn. he has no right to trap it

If it's owners were responsible and didn't let their cat wander, then
it would still smell lots of delicious things but from it's OWN
owner's yard.

--
"There are two means of refuge from the miseries
of life: music and cats" - Albert Schweitzer