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[felix]

On Monday, 20 Feb 2017 11:29 AM, Trevor Wilson wrote:

On 20/02/2017 11:28 AM, felix wrote:
On Monday, 20 Feb 2017 9:27 AM, Trevor Wilson wrote:
On 19/02/2017 12:06 PM, felix wrote:
On Sunday, 19 Feb 2017 10:20 AM, Trevor Wilson wrote:
On 18/02/2017 9:17 PM, felix wrote:
On Friday, 17 Feb 2017 7:36 PM, Trevor Wilson wrote:

In any case, if you are REALLY so fucking concerned about birds (I
bet
you're not), then you should be killing cats. Cats kill 10,000
times
more birds than wind turbines do.

So, what will you do? Kill a cat today? I send my neighbour's cats
off
to the pound when I catch them.

what a prick you are! it's not illegal to own a cat. do you also run
elderly drivers off the road coz they're too slow?

**Thanks to NSW state law, I am entitled to exterminate any cats I
find on my property.

I didn't know that

**Yep:

http://www.legislation.nsw.gov.au/inforce/8444158c-3268-4730-ab8e-eaf50faf4bc2/1998-87.pdf



Page 23.

One would assume that since you are capable of quoting the act, you are
also capable of reading it. It does NOT give you 'cart blanche' a right
to kill cats on your property, viz...

Companion Animals Act 1998 No 87 [NSW]
Part 4 Responsibilities for control of cats

(3) If a cat that is not under the effective control of some competent
person enters any
inclosed lands within the meaning of the Inclosed Lands Protection Act
1901 and
approaches any animal being farmed on the land, the occupier of the land
or any
person authorised by the occupier can lawfully injure or destroy the cat
if he or she
reasonably believes that the cat will molest, attack or cause injury to
any of those
animals.

(4) An authorised officer who finds a cat attacking or harassing an
animal (other than
vermin) within a wildlife protection area (as defined in section 30 (1)
(b)) can
lawfully injure or destroy the cat if there is no other reasonably
practicable way of
protecting the animal.

(5) A person who takes action under the authority of this section that
results in the injury
to or death of a cat must:
(a) take reasonable steps to ensure that an injured cat receives any
necessary
treatment, and
(b) report the matter to an authorised officer (unless the person is an
authorised
officer) and comply with such reasonable directions as the authorised
officer
may give for the purpose of causing the cat to be returned to its owner
or taken
to a council pound, and
(c) take reasonable steps to inform the owner of the cat.

(6) An authorised officer is not to give a direction under this section
for the purpose of
causing a cat to be taken to a council pound unless the authorised
officer is satisfied
that the owner of the cat cannot be identified.

(7) Nothing in this section authorises a contravention of the

(8) The authority conferred by this section to destroy a cat extends
only to authorising
the destruction of the cat in a manner that causes it to die quickly and
without
unnecessary suffering.
..................................................

firstly the property must comply with the meaning of inclosed land as
prescribed by the Inclosed Lands Protection Act 1901, secondly the cat
has to be threat to a 'farmed animal', thirdly you need to comply with
the directions in section (5), and lastly nothing may be done that
contravenes the Prevention of Cruelty to Animals Act 1979.

do you have any farmed animals on your property? does it constitute
'inclosed land'? if not, then you have no right to kill or injure any
cat on your premises. and if you do so, I would suggest you would be
subject to penalties under the provision of cruelty to animals
legislation

**You are correct. However, the local animal control officer provided
me sufficient information to deal with all that. Either way, I don't
kill them. I catch them and send them to the pound.

what right do you have to trap them?


--
http://thereligionofpeace.com
http://www.barenakedislam.com/
http://www.siotw.org

 

[Petzl]

On Mon, 20 Feb 2017 19:43:15 +1100, felix <felix@real_felix.invalid>
wrote:

On Monday, 20 Feb 2017 11:29 AM, Trevor Wilson wrote:
On 20/02/2017 11:28 AM, felix wrote:
On Monday, 20 Feb 2017 9:27 AM, Trevor Wilson wrote:
On 19/02/2017 12:06 PM, felix wrote:
On Sunday, 19 Feb 2017 10:20 AM, Trevor Wilson wrote:
On 18/02/2017 9:17 PM, felix wrote:
On Friday, 17 Feb 2017 7:36 PM, Trevor Wilson wrote:

In any case, if you are REALLY so fucking concerned about birds (I
bet
you're not), then you should be killing cats. Cats kill 10,000
times
more birds than wind turbines do.

So, what will you do? Kill a cat today? I send my neighbour's cats
off
to the pound when I catch them.

what a prick you are! it's not illegal to own a cat. do you also run
elderly drivers off the road coz they're too slow?

**Thanks to NSW state law, I am entitled to exterminate any cats I
find on my property.

I didn't know that

**Yep:

http://www.legislation.nsw.gov.au/inforce/8444158c-3268-4730-ab8e-eaf50faf4bc2/1998-87.pdf



Page 23.

One would assume that since you are capable of quoting the act, you are
also capable of reading it. It does NOT give you 'cart blanche' a right
to kill cats on your property, viz...

Companion Animals Act 1998 No 87 [NSW]
Part 4 Responsibilities for control of cats

(3) If a cat that is not under the effective control of some competent
person enters any
inclosed lands within the meaning of the Inclosed Lands Protection Act
1901 and
approaches any animal being farmed on the land, the occupier of the land
or any
person authorised by the occupier can lawfully injure or destroy the cat
if he or she
reasonably believes that the cat will molest, attack or cause injury to
any of those
animals.

(4) An authorised officer who finds a cat attacking or harassing an
animal (other than
vermin) within a wildlife protection area (as defined in section 30 (1)
(b)) can
lawfully injure or destroy the cat if there is no other reasonably
practicable way of
protecting the animal.

(5) A person who takes action under the authority of this section that
results in the injury
to or death of a cat must:
(a) take reasonable steps to ensure that an injured cat receives any
necessary
treatment, and
(b) report the matter to an authorised officer (unless the person is an
authorised
officer) and comply with such reasonable directions as the authorised
officer
may give for the purpose of causing the cat to be returned to its owner
or taken
to a council pound, and
(c) take reasonable steps to inform the owner of the cat.

(6) An authorised officer is not to give a direction under this section
for the purpose of
causing a cat to be taken to a council pound unless the authorised
officer is satisfied
that the owner of the cat cannot be identified.

(7) Nothing in this section authorises a contravention of the

(8) The authority conferred by this section to destroy a cat extends
only to authorising
the destruction of the cat in a manner that causes it to die quickly and
without
unnecessary suffering.
..................................................

firstly the property must comply with the meaning of inclosed land as
prescribed by the Inclosed Lands Protection Act 1901, secondly the cat
has to be threat to a 'farmed animal', thirdly you need to comply with
the directions in section (5), and lastly nothing may be done that
contravenes the Prevention of Cruelty to Animals Act 1979.

do you have any farmed animals on your property? does it constitute
'inclosed land'? if not, then you have no right to kill or injure any
cat on your premises. and if you do so, I would suggest you would be
subject to penalties under the provision of cruelty to animals
legislation

**You are correct. However, the local animal control officer provided
me sufficient information to deal with all that. Either way, I don't
kill them. I catch them and send them to the pound.



what right do you have to trap them?

He is also putting out baits to entice his neighbors cat to enter his
property, needs his arse sued off by a lawyer.
--
Petzl
Our society is run by insane people for insane objectives.
I think we're being run by maniacs for maniacal ends and I think they're all insane.
But I'm liable to be put away as insane for expressing that.
That's what's insane about it. Don't you agree?
John Lennon

 

On Mon, 20 Feb 2017 19:53:36 +1100, Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> wrote:

On Mon, 20 Feb 2017 19:43:15 +1100, felix <felix@real_felix.invalid
wrote:

On Monday, 20 Feb 2017 11:29 AM, Trevor Wilson wrote:
On 20/02/2017 11:28 AM, felix wrote:
On Monday, 20 Feb 2017 9:27 AM, Trevor Wilson wrote:
On 19/02/2017 12:06 PM, felix wrote:
On Sunday, 19 Feb 2017 10:20 AM, Trevor Wilson wrote:
On 18/02/2017 9:17 PM, felix wrote:
On Friday, 17 Feb 2017 7:36 PM, Trevor Wilson wrote:

In any case, if you are REALLY so fucking concerned about birds (I
bet
you're not), then you should be killing cats. Cats kill 10,000
times
more birds than wind turbines do.

So, what will you do? Kill a cat today? I send my neighbour's cats
off
to the pound when I catch them.

what a prick you are! it's not illegal to own a cat. do you also run
elderly drivers off the road coz they're too slow?

**Thanks to NSW state law, I am entitled to exterminate any cats I
find on my property.

I didn't know that

**Yep:

http://www.legislation.nsw.gov.au/inforce/8444158c-3268-4730-ab8e-eaf50faf4bc2/1998-87.pdf



Page 23.

One would assume that since you are capable of quoting the act, you are
also capable of reading it. It does NOT give you 'cart blanche' a right
to kill cats on your property, viz...

Companion Animals Act 1998 No 87 [NSW]
Part 4 Responsibilities for control of cats

(3) If a cat that is not under the effective control of some competent
person enters any
inclosed lands within the meaning of the Inclosed Lands Protection Act
1901 and
approaches any animal being farmed on the land, the occupier of the land
or any
person authorised by the occupier can lawfully injure or destroy the cat
if he or she
reasonably believes that the cat will molest, attack or cause injury to
any of those
animals.

(4) An authorised officer who finds a cat attacking or harassing an
animal (other than
vermin) within a wildlife protection area (as defined in section 30 (1)
(b)) can
lawfully injure or destroy the cat if there is no other reasonably
practicable way of
protecting the animal.

(5) A person who takes action under the authority of this section that
results in the injury
to or death of a cat must:
(a) take reasonable steps to ensure that an injured cat receives any
necessary
treatment, and
(b) report the matter to an authorised officer (unless the person is an
authorised
officer) and comply with such reasonable directions as the authorised
officer
may give for the purpose of causing the cat to be returned to its owner
or taken
to a council pound, and
(c) take reasonable steps to inform the owner of the cat.

(6) An authorised officer is not to give a direction under this section
for the purpose of
causing a cat to be taken to a council pound unless the authorised
officer is satisfied
that the owner of the cat cannot be identified.

(7) Nothing in this section authorises a contravention of the

(8) The authority conferred by this section to destroy a cat extends
only to authorising
the destruction of the cat in a manner that causes it to die quickly and
without
unnecessary suffering.
..................................................

firstly the property must comply with the meaning of inclosed land as
prescribed by the Inclosed Lands Protection Act 1901, secondly the cat
has to be threat to a 'farmed animal', thirdly you need to comply with
the directions in section (5), and lastly nothing may be done that
contravenes the Prevention of Cruelty to Animals Act 1979.

do you have any farmed animals on your property? does it constitute
'inclosed land'? if not, then you have no right to kill or injure any
cat on your premises. and if you do so, I would suggest you would be
subject to penalties under the provision of cruelty to animals
legislation

**You are correct. However, the local animal control officer provided
me sufficient information to deal with all that. Either way, I don't
kill them. I catch them and send them to the pound.



what right do you have to trap them?

He is also putting out baits to entice his neighbors cat to enter his
property, needs his arse sued off by a lawyer.

Somebody should print the relevant post(s) and do a letter box drop
around his neighborhood. I should be in Sydney late in the year, I may
well do it myself.

 

[Petzl]

On Mon, 20 Feb 2017 20:26:24 +1100, Jeßus <j@j.net> wrote:

**You are correct. However, the local animal control officer provided
me sufficient information to deal with all that. Either way, I don't
kill them. I catch them and send them to the pound.



what right do you have to trap them?

He is also putting out baits to entice his neighbors cat to enter his
property, needs his arse sued off by a lawyer.

Somebody should print the relevant post(s) and do a letter box drop
around his neighborhood. I should be in Sydney late in the year, I may
well do it myself.

Pretty much a lowlife act to a neighbor.
Cats are four legs and belly, of course if they smell tuna or salmon
they are going to work out how to get it
--
Petzl
Our society is run by insane people for insane objectives.
I think we're being run by maniacs for maniacal ends and I think they're all insane.
But I'm liable to be put away as insane for expressing that.
That's what's insane about it. Don't you agree?
John Lennon

 

[felix]

On Monday, 20 Feb 2017 7:53 PM, Petzl wrote:

On Mon, 20 Feb 2017 19:43:15 +1100, felix <felix@real_felix.invalid
wrote:

On Monday, 20 Feb 2017 11:29 AM, Trevor Wilson wrote:
On 20/02/2017 11:28 AM, felix wrote:
On Monday, 20 Feb 2017 9:27 AM, Trevor Wilson wrote:
On 19/02/2017 12:06 PM, felix wrote:
On Sunday, 19 Feb 2017 10:20 AM, Trevor Wilson wrote:
On 18/02/2017 9:17 PM, felix wrote:
On Friday, 17 Feb 2017 7:36 PM, Trevor Wilson wrote:

In any case, if you are REALLY so fucking concerned about birds (I
bet
you're not), then you should be killing cats. Cats kill 10,000
times
more birds than wind turbines do.

So, what will you do? Kill a cat today? I send my neighbour's cats
off
to the pound when I catch them.
what a prick you are! it's not illegal to own a cat. do you also run
elderly drivers off the road coz they're too slow?
**Thanks to NSW state law, I am entitled to exterminate any cats I
find on my property.
I didn't know that
**Yep:

http://www.legislation.nsw.gov.au/inforce/8444158c-3268-4730-ab8e-eaf50faf4bc2/1998-87.pdf



Page 23.
One would assume that since you are capable of quoting the act, you are
also capable of reading it. It does NOT give you 'cart blanche' a right
to kill cats on your property, viz...

Companion Animals Act 1998 No 87 [NSW]
Part 4 Responsibilities for control of cats

(3) If a cat that is not under the effective control of some competent
person enters any
inclosed lands within the meaning of the Inclosed Lands Protection Act
1901 and
approaches any animal being farmed on the land, the occupier of the land
or any
person authorised by the occupier can lawfully injure or destroy the cat
if he or she
reasonably believes that the cat will molest, attack or cause injury to
any of those
animals.

(4) An authorised officer who finds a cat attacking or harassing an
animal (other than
vermin) within a wildlife protection area (as defined in section 30 (1)
(b)) can
lawfully injure or destroy the cat if there is no other reasonably
practicable way of
protecting the animal.

(5) A person who takes action under the authority of this section that
results in the injury
to or death of a cat must:
(a) take reasonable steps to ensure that an injured cat receives any
necessary
treatment, and
(b) report the matter to an authorised officer (unless the person is an
authorised
officer) and comply with such reasonable directions as the authorised
officer
may give for the purpose of causing the cat to be returned to its owner
or taken
to a council pound, and
(c) take reasonable steps to inform the owner of the cat.

(6) An authorised officer is not to give a direction under this section
for the purpose of
causing a cat to be taken to a council pound unless the authorised
officer is satisfied
that the owner of the cat cannot be identified.

(7) Nothing in this section authorises a contravention of the

(8) The authority conferred by this section to destroy a cat extends
only to authorising
the destruction of the cat in a manner that causes it to die quickly and
without
unnecessary suffering.
..................................................

firstly the property must comply with the meaning of inclosed land as
prescribed by the Inclosed Lands Protection Act 1901, secondly the cat
has to be threat to a 'farmed animal', thirdly you need to comply with
the directions in section (5), and lastly nothing may be done that
contravenes the Prevention of Cruelty to Animals Act 1979.

do you have any farmed animals on your property? does it constitute
'inclosed land'? if not, then you have no right to kill or injure any
cat on your premises. and if you do so, I would suggest you would be
subject to penalties under the provision of cruelty to animals
legislation
**You are correct. However, the local animal control officer provided
me sufficient information to deal with all that. Either way, I don't
kill them. I catch them and send them to the pound.


what right do you have to trap them?
He is also putting out baits to entice his neighbors cat to enter his
property,

did he say that he was?

needs his arse sued off by a lawyer.

--
http://thereligionofpeace.com
http://www.barenakedislam.com/
http://www.siotw.org

 

[felix]

On Monday, 20 Feb 2017 11:59 PM, felix wrote:

On Monday, 20 Feb 2017 7:53 PM, Petzl wrote:
On Mon, 20 Feb 2017 19:43:15 +1100, felix <felix@real_felix.invalid
wrote:

On Monday, 20 Feb 2017 11:29 AM, Trevor Wilson wrote:
On 20/02/2017 11:28 AM, felix wrote:
On Monday, 20 Feb 2017 9:27 AM, Trevor Wilson wrote:
On 19/02/2017 12:06 PM, felix wrote:
On Sunday, 19 Feb 2017 10:20 AM, Trevor Wilson wrote:
On 18/02/2017 9:17 PM, felix wrote:
On Friday, 17 Feb 2017 7:36 PM, Trevor Wilson wrote:

In any case, if you are REALLY so fucking concerned about
birds (I
bet
you're not), then you should be killing cats. Cats kill 10,000
times
more birds than wind turbines do.

So, what will you do? Kill a cat today? I send my neighbour's
cats
off
to the pound when I catch them.
what a prick you are! it's not illegal to own a cat. do you
also run
elderly drivers off the road coz they're too slow?
**Thanks to NSW state law, I am entitled to exterminate any cats I
find on my property.
I didn't know that
**Yep:

http://www.legislation.nsw.gov.au/inforce/8444158c-3268-4730-ab8e-eaf50faf4bc2/1998-87.pdf




Page 23.
One would assume that since you are capable of quoting the act,
you are
also capable of reading it. It does NOT give you 'cart blanche' a
right
to kill cats on your property, viz...

Companion Animals Act 1998 No 87 [NSW]
Part 4 Responsibilities for control of cats

(3) If a cat that is not under the effective control of some
competent
person enters any
inclosed lands within the meaning of the Inclosed Lands Protection
Act
1901 and
approaches any animal being farmed on the land, the occupier of
the land
or any
person authorised by the occupier can lawfully injure or destroy
the cat
if he or she
reasonably believes that the cat will molest, attack or cause
injury to
any of those
animals.

(4) An authorised officer who finds a cat attacking or harassing an
animal (other than
vermin) within a wildlife protection area (as defined in section
30 (1)
(b)) can
lawfully injure or destroy the cat if there is no other reasonably
practicable way of
protecting the animal.

(5) A person who takes action under the authority of this section
that
results in the injury
to or death of a cat must:
(a) take reasonable steps to ensure that an injured cat receives any
necessary
treatment, and
(b) report the matter to an authorised officer (unless the person
is an
authorised
officer) and comply with such reasonable directions as the authorised
officer
may give for the purpose of causing the cat to be returned to its
owner
or taken
to a council pound, and
(c) take reasonable steps to inform the owner of the cat.

(6) An authorised officer is not to give a direction under this
section
for the purpose of
causing a cat to be taken to a council pound unless the authorised
officer is satisfied
that the owner of the cat cannot be identified.

(7) Nothing in this section authorises a contravention of the

(8) The authority conferred by this section to destroy a cat extends
only to authorising
the destruction of the cat in a manner that causes it to die
quickly and
without
unnecessary suffering.
..................................................

firstly the property must comply with the meaning of inclosed land as
prescribed by the Inclosed Lands Protection Act 1901, secondly the
cat
has to be threat to a 'farmed animal', thirdly you need to comply
with
the directions in section (5), and lastly nothing may be done that
contravenes the Prevention of Cruelty to Animals Act 1979.

do you have any farmed animals on your property? does it constitute
'inclosed land'? if not, then you have no right to kill or injure
any
cat on your premises. and if you do so, I would suggest you would be
subject to penalties under the provision of cruelty to animals
legislation
**You are correct. However, the local animal control officer provided
me sufficient information to deal with all that. Either way, I don't
kill them. I catch them and send them to the pound.


what right do you have to trap them?
He is also putting out baits to entice his neighbors cat to enter his
property,

did he say that he was?

of course, if he's trapping them then he's baiting his traps. what a
scumbag!

needs his arse sued off by a lawyer.

--
http://thereligionofpeace.com
http://www.barenakedislam.com/
http://www.siotw.org

 

[F Murtz]

felix wrote:

On Monday, 20 Feb 2017 7:53 PM, Petzl wrote:
On Mon, 20 Feb 2017 19:43:15 +1100, felix <felix@real_felix.invalid
wrote:

On Monday, 20 Feb 2017 11:29 AM, Trevor Wilson wrote:
On 20/02/2017 11:28 AM, felix wrote:
On Monday, 20 Feb 2017 9:27 AM, Trevor Wilson wrote:
On 19/02/2017 12:06 PM, felix wrote:
On Sunday, 19 Feb 2017 10:20 AM, Trevor Wilson wrote:
On 18/02/2017 9:17 PM, felix wrote:
On Friday, 17 Feb 2017 7:36 PM, Trevor Wilson wrote:

In any case, if you are REALLY so fucking concerned about
birds (I
bet
you're not), then you should be killing cats. Cats kill 10,000
times
more birds than wind turbines do.

So, what will you do? Kill a cat today? I send my neighbour's
cats
off
to the pound when I catch them.
what a prick you are! it's not illegal to own a cat. do you
also run
elderly drivers off the road coz they're too slow?
**Thanks to NSW state law, I am entitled to exterminate any cats I
find on my property.
I didn't know that
**Yep:

http://www.legislation.nsw.gov.au/inforce/8444158c-3268-4730-ab8e-eaf50faf4bc2/1998-87.pdf




Page 23.
One would assume that since you are capable of quoting the act, you
are
also capable of reading it. It does NOT give you 'cart blanche' a
right
to kill cats on your property, viz...

Companion Animals Act 1998 No 87 [NSW]
Part 4 Responsibilities for control of cats

(3) If a cat that is not under the effective control of some competent
person enters any
inclosed lands within the meaning of the Inclosed Lands Protection Act
1901 and
approaches any animal being farmed on the land, the occupier of the
land
or any
person authorised by the occupier can lawfully injure or destroy
the cat
if he or she
reasonably believes that the cat will molest, attack or cause
injury to
any of those
animals.

(4) An authorised officer who finds a cat attacking or harassing an
animal (other than
vermin) within a wildlife protection area (as defined in section 30
(1)
(b)) can
lawfully injure or destroy the cat if there is no other reasonably
practicable way of
protecting the animal.

(5) A person who takes action under the authority of this section that
results in the injury
to or death of a cat must:
(a) take reasonable steps to ensure that an injured cat receives any
necessary
treatment, and
(b) report the matter to an authorised officer (unless the person
is an
authorised
officer) and comply with such reasonable directions as the authorised
officer
may give for the purpose of causing the cat to be returned to its
owner
or taken
to a council pound, and
(c) take reasonable steps to inform the owner of the cat.

(6) An authorised officer is not to give a direction under this
section
for the purpose of
causing a cat to be taken to a council pound unless the authorised
officer is satisfied
that the owner of the cat cannot be identified.

(7) Nothing in this section authorises a contravention of the

(8) The authority conferred by this section to destroy a cat extends
only to authorising
the destruction of the cat in a manner that causes it to die
quickly and
without
unnecessary suffering.
..................................................

firstly the property must comply with the meaning of inclosed land as
prescribed by the Inclosed Lands Protection Act 1901, secondly the cat
has to be threat to a 'farmed animal', thirdly you need to comply with
the directions in section (5), and lastly nothing may be done that
contravenes the Prevention of Cruelty to Animals Act 1979.

do you have any farmed animals on your property? does it constitute
'inclosed land'? if not, then you have no right to kill or injure any
cat on your premises. and if you do so, I would suggest you would be
subject to penalties under the provision of cruelty to animals
legislation
**You are correct. However, the local animal control officer provided
me sufficient information to deal with all that. Either way, I don't
kill them. I catch them and send them to the pound.


what right do you have to trap them?
He is also putting out baits to entice his neighbors cat to enter his
property,

did he say that he was?

Yes he did,on the 18/02
"**It is indeed. Possum cages work well. A can of tuna or salmon and the
cat is caught. The average cat in Australia is reputed to kill something
like 7 native animals per year. It's appalling. Cat owners are, in the
main, a disgusting sub-set of humanity. That said, not all are like
that. A mate's wife owned a cat, so my mate arranged for a large
indoor/outdoor area to be securely fenced with chicken wire, so the cat
could play and not interact with any native species. He is in the minority."

needs his arse sued off by a lawyer.

 

[Trevor Wilson]

On 20/02/2017 4:12 PM, Je�us wrote:

On Mon, 20 Feb 2017 08:23:27 +1100, Trevor Wilson
trevor@SPAMBLOCKrageaudio.com.au> wrote:

On 19/02/2017 6:46 PM, Je?us wrote:
On Sun, 19 Feb 2017 09:58:03 +1100, Trevor Wilson
trevor@SPAMBLOCKrageaudio.com.au> wrote:


**Cat owners are, in the main, thoughtless arseholes.

Nice. I think any shred of a friendship between us is dead and gone at
this point.


**BTW: I did not say "ALL cat owners". Just most. As long as the pet cat
cannot kill and main native wildlife, I have no issue with them or their
owners. I enjoy the native critters that live and visit my backyard. I
see no reason to accept visiting cats, which threaten the lives of those
native animals. Here's (partly) why:

Some of the birds that visit are Noisy Miners, Magpies and Butcher
Birds. All are insectivorous. Flies, mozzies, roaches and other annoying
bugs are fair game for all these birds. As a consequence, annoying
insects are kept at bay. What those birds don't eat, my frogs polish off
at night. I've seen domestic cats eating my frogs (frogs are really easy
game for any predator) and I've seen them stalk magpies. Cats need to be
kept indoors at all times. I enjoy my native wildlife.

But your standards tend to be inconsistent and unrealistic. Life
isn't so black and white as you so often seem to proclaim it to be
(firearm users, AGW, cats for example). You enjoy wildlife and care
for the environment, and have zero tolerance for cats being outdoors.

**Actually, I never much cared one way or the other until an event about
15 years ago caused me to reassess. at my last home we had a family of
Superb Blue Fairy Wrens living in the bushes outside the main bedroom.
Each morning, we would awake to the beautiful sounds made by the Wrens.
Superb Blue Fairy Wrens are very small birds. They eat the odd insect
and add colour and interest to any garden. Then, my neighbours across
the road moved in with their fucking cat. We awoke one morning to find
the remnants of the entire family strewn across my front yard. It was
extremely distressing. After that experience I changed my attitude
towards domestic cats being allowed outdoors.

And yet you live an urban lifestyle, don't produce your own power,
water and it's safe to assume little to no food. You also bought a
Stagea, which isn't essential to your life. Your lifestyle isn't
conducive to being environmentally responsible, IMO. That doesn't
particularly bother me but the double standards do.

**Am I a hypocrite? Absolutely. I could give you a dozen reasons why I
own a Stagea, but, in reality, I could have purchased a dozen different,
similarly sized wagons that can do the work I require of the Stagea. I
could have purchased a Commodore, for instance.

My cats are free to roam outdoors any time they like. Having said
that, they spend most their time in bed, in front of the fire, or on
my lap (as one is right now).

The older one has no interest in hunting, except for mice, rats and
rabbits for some reason, My tabby can and does kill birds,
unfortunately. But they both keep the rodents at bay, which is a
serious problem here if not dealt with (baits don't eliminate them).

**OK. Rats are a small problem in my area. Baits and traps deal with the
problem quite well. As do Kookaburras and in one case I witnessed,
Butcher Birds (I saw a male carrying a baby rat off to eat). I accept
that your issues are more serious. FWIW: A school mate and his family
owned a Terrier (don't recall what kind - short red, wiry haired type).
It was an amazing ratter. At least once a week, it would present it's
latest kill at the back door of their home. It NEVER killed birds. Just
rats. Smart, friendly and fun. Geez it was a fabulous dog. Even after
losing an eye in an accident, it would still kill rats.

So its a tradeoff, between the good and the bad aspects of cats (as it
is with anything else). I have no guilt about it, because on the whole
I'm doing a lot more for the environment by producing my own food,
power and water than by being a generic consumer with an
insular/distorted view on the real world.

**OK.

BTW, you don't seem to be concerned about dogs for some reason?

**Wanna start a discussion about dogs? Feel free. Dog owners are, in the
main, somewhat better than cat owners, BUT that is largely due to the
fact that there are a lot more rules surrounding the ownership of dogs.
Those rules carry some reasonably serious penalties. Without those rules
and penalties, I have every reason to believe that those dog owners
would be just as irresponsible as many cat owners. Wild dogs are a MAJOR
problem outside metro areas and are due to irresponsible dog owners.

FWIW: I've owned a couple of dogs and lots of birds (budgies). We no
longer keep any pets, preferring, instead, to observe and interact with
the native critters that visit (it cuts down on vet fees too). The birds
keep the insects down and the blue tongues deal with the snails. SWMBO
doesn't use any pesticides on the garden (which is a mix of natives and
some food plants). I got a lot of joy (and significant pain) from owning
a pet, but have decided that it is time to let go.

--
Trevor Wilson
www.rageaudio.com.au

 

[Petzl]

On Mon, 20 Feb 2017 23:59:12 +1100, felix <felix@real_felix.invalid>
wrote:

On Monday, 20 Feb 2017 7:53 PM, Petzl wrote:
On Mon, 20 Feb 2017 19:43:15 +1100, felix <felix@real_felix.invalid
wrote:

On Monday, 20 Feb 2017 11:29 AM, Trevor Wilson wrote:
On 20/02/2017 11:28 AM, felix wrote:
On Monday, 20 Feb 2017 9:27 AM, Trevor Wilson wrote:
On 19/02/2017 12:06 PM, felix wrote:
On Sunday, 19 Feb 2017 10:20 AM, Trevor Wilson wrote:
On 18/02/2017 9:17 PM, felix wrote:
On Friday, 17 Feb 2017 7:36 PM, Trevor Wilson wrote:

In any case, if you are REALLY so fucking concerned about birds (I
bet
you're not), then you should be killing cats. Cats kill 10,000
times
more birds than wind turbines do.

So, what will you do? Kill a cat today? I send my neighbour's cats
off
to the pound when I catch them.
what a prick you are! it's not illegal to own a cat. do you also run
elderly drivers off the road coz they're too slow?
**Thanks to NSW state law, I am entitled to exterminate any cats I
find on my property.
I didn't know that
**Yep:

http://www.legislation.nsw.gov.au/inforce/8444158c-3268-4730-ab8e-eaf50faf4bc2/1998-87.pdf



Page 23.
One would assume that since you are capable of quoting the act, you are
also capable of reading it. It does NOT give you 'cart blanche' a right
to kill cats on your property, viz...

Companion Animals Act 1998 No 87 [NSW]
Part 4 Responsibilities for control of cats

(3) If a cat that is not under the effective control of some competent
person enters any
inclosed lands within the meaning of the Inclosed Lands Protection Act
1901 and
approaches any animal being farmed on the land, the occupier of the land
or any
person authorised by the occupier can lawfully injure or destroy the cat
if he or she
reasonably believes that the cat will molest, attack or cause injury to
any of those
animals.

(4) An authorised officer who finds a cat attacking or harassing an
animal (other than
vermin) within a wildlife protection area (as defined in section 30 (1)
(b)) can
lawfully injure or destroy the cat if there is no other reasonably
practicable way of
protecting the animal.

(5) A person who takes action under the authority of this section that
results in the injury
to or death of a cat must:
(a) take reasonable steps to ensure that an injured cat receives any
necessary
treatment, and
(b) report the matter to an authorised officer (unless the person is an
authorised
officer) and comply with such reasonable directions as the authorised
officer
may give for the purpose of causing the cat to be returned to its owner
or taken
to a council pound, and
(c) take reasonable steps to inform the owner of the cat.

(6) An authorised officer is not to give a direction under this section
for the purpose of
causing a cat to be taken to a council pound unless the authorised
officer is satisfied
that the owner of the cat cannot be identified.

(7) Nothing in this section authorises a contravention of the

(8) The authority conferred by this section to destroy a cat extends
only to authorising
the destruction of the cat in a manner that causes it to die quickly and
without
unnecessary suffering.
..................................................

firstly the property must comply with the meaning of inclosed land as
prescribed by the Inclosed Lands Protection Act 1901, secondly the cat
has to be threat to a 'farmed animal', thirdly you need to comply with
the directions in section (5), and lastly nothing may be done that
contravenes the Prevention of Cruelty to Animals Act 1979.

do you have any farmed animals on your property? does it constitute
'inclosed land'? if not, then you have no right to kill or injure any
cat on your premises. and if you do so, I would suggest you would be
subject to penalties under the provision of cruelty to animals
legislation
**You are correct. However, the local animal control officer provided
me sufficient information to deal with all that. Either way, I don't
kill them. I catch them and send them to the pound.


what right do you have to trap them?
He is also putting out baits to entice his neighbors cat to enter his
property,

did he say that he was?

Yes!
Tuna or Salmon meaning a cat will really try to get it.
Without it no cat would go near his property

>> needs his arse sued off by a lawyer.
--
Petzl
--
Petzl
what Australians think about the allegations of torture of suspected terrorists
'If hooking up one rag-head terrorist's testicles to a car battery gets the truth out of the lying little camel shagger to save just one Australian soldiers life,
then I have only three things to say;
Red is positive, Black is negative and make sure his nuts are wet!

 

[Petzl]

On Tue, 21 Feb 2017 01:46:10 +1100, F Murtz <haggisz@hotmail.com>
wrote:

what right do you have to trap them?
He is also putting out baits to entice his neighbors cat to enter his
property,

did he say that he was?



Yes he did,on the 18/02
"**It is indeed. Possum cages work well. A can of tuna or salmon and the
cat is caught. The average cat in Australia is reputed to kill something
like 7 native animals per year. It's appalling. Cat owners are, in the
main, a disgusting sub-set of humanity. That said, not all are like
that. A mate's wife owned a cat, so my mate arranged for a large
indoor/outdoor area to be securely fenced with chicken wire, so the cat
could play and not interact with any native species. He is in the minority."

No mention or survey mentioned the greater killing of birds by rats,
The greatest threat is "flying rats" (Indian Myna)
<http://www.sciencemag.org/news/2013/08/australian-cats-and-foxes-may-not-deserve-their-bad-rep>
Indian Myma's,
https://is.gd/ostEIQ
Noisy Miners
<http://www.abc.net.au/news/2014-12-14/native-noisy-miners-cause-more-damage-than-introduced-species/5964328>

This clown is mixed up, next he will blame CO2 emissions for climate
when it is known the Earth is moving on it's axis!
The North Pole is heading to London
<http://klimatsans.com/2017/02/05/klimatfragan-grundad-pa-vetenskap-eller-dogm/>
English
https://is.gd/NzPGOu

needs his arse sued off by a lawyer.

--
Petzl
What perfect set of circumstances placed our Sun a Celestial ball of fire at just the correct distance from our little blue planet for life to evolve?
All simply conicidence? The very fact we exist is nothing but the result of a complex yet inevitable string of chemical accidents and biological mutations?
There is no Grand meaning; There is no purpose?

 

[Fran Snortilus]

On 20/02/2017 4:21 PM, F Murtz wrote:

Fran Snortilus wrote:
On 20/02/2017 8:23 AM, Trevor Wilson wrote:

I've seen domestic cats eating my frogs (frogs are really easy
game for any predator) and I've seen them stalk magpies. Cats need to be
kept indoors at all times. I enjoy my native wildlife.

As you're interested in frogs, do you know of any decent sites that help
in identify them? We've got pobblebonk frogs which we enjoy during the
summer, but I've just found 3 small grey little frogs in a particular
hidey hole and would like to know what they are.

I have this strange little one that some have said is a perons tree
frog,but it is grey and some pictures are different,it is bright orange
under back legs and I can not find pic of underside on the net.

I've just had a close look at the ones here, and there is pale orange
along the inner leg which is hidden when they sit.

strange because one gets in my aluminium letter box every year round now
on the hottest days (put notice on letter box saying frog lives in here
sometimes for postman)also get loads in not so hot places, usually in
some sort of big box.

http://imgur.com/Jw7llq2

Nice beasty! The ones here don't have the bumps that one does. Smooth
all over here.

 

[Petzl]

On Tue, 21 Feb 2017 10:10:11 +1100, Trevor Wilson
<trevor@SPAMBLOCKrageaudio.com.au> wrote:

**OK. Rats are a small problem in my area. Baits and traps deal with the
problem quite well. As do Kookaburras and in one case I witnessed,
Butcher Birds (I saw a male carrying a baby rat off to eat). I accept
that your issues are more serious. FWIW: A school mate and his family
owned a Terrier (don't recall what kind - short red, wiry haired type).
It was an amazing ratter. At least once a week, it would present it's
latest kill at the back door of their home. It NEVER killed birds. Just
rats. Smart, friendly and fun. Geez it was a fabulous dog. Even after
losing an eye in an accident, it would still kill rats.

According to a report commissioned by your council rats are a large
problem

The Black Rat climbs trees and eats small birds or eggs out of their
nests, as well as fruit and vegetables.

They often cause damage by gnawing pipes, telephone cords and hoses.
They are unhygienic and the carrier of disease. This Rat can have up
to 60 young in a year and at three months, are sexually mature.
The Black Rat is commonly sighted in the Rockdale area by day or
night. Common sightings are around most of our waterways and
beach areas. This is the rat seen by most people.
Most people wrongly call them Water Rats; nothing could be further
from the truth.

Of course then there is the rat disease problem
<http://www.abc.net.au/news/2015-01-15/increased-rat-sightings-across-sydney/6018656>
https://is.gd/wD1SYI
Reports of increased rat sightings across Sydney spark disease
concerns
*****************

Then with even feral cats
<http://www.sciencemag.org/news/2013/08/australian-cats-and-foxes-may-not-deserve-their-bad-rep>
https://is.gd/RoXaoU
Foxes and feral cats are wildly unpopular among Australian
conservationists. The two animals are infamous for killing off the
continent's native species, and they?e been the targets of numerous
government-backed eradication campaigns.

But new research suggests that on Australian islands, these predators
help control an even more destructive one: the black rat. As a result,
eliminating cats and foxes could actually leave native mammals more
vulnerable to predation, competition, and ultimately extinction.
--
Petzl
"If you had not committed great sins, God would not have sent a punishment like me upon you"
Genghis Khan

 

[Fran Snortilus]

On 21/02/2017 1:46 AM, F Murtz wrote:

felix wrote:
On Monday, 20 Feb 2017 7:53 PM, Petzl wrote:
On Mon, 20 Feb 2017 19:43:15 +1100, felix <felix@real_felix.invalid
wrote:

On Monday, 20 Feb 2017 11:29 AM, Trevor Wilson wrote:
On 20/02/2017 11:28 AM, felix wrote:
On Monday, 20 Feb 2017 9:27 AM, Trevor Wilson wrote:
On 19/02/2017 12:06 PM, felix wrote:
On Sunday, 19 Feb 2017 10:20 AM, Trevor Wilson wrote:
On 18/02/2017 9:17 PM, felix wrote:
On Friday, 17 Feb 2017 7:36 PM, Trevor Wilson wrote:

In any case, if you are REALLY so fucking concerned about
birds (I
bet
you're not), then you should be killing cats. Cats kill 10,000
times
more birds than wind turbines do.

So, what will you do? Kill a cat today? I send my neighbour's
cats
off
to the pound when I catch them.
what a prick you are! it's not illegal to own a cat. do you
also run
elderly drivers off the road coz they're too slow?
**Thanks to NSW state law, I am entitled to exterminate any cats I
find on my property.
I didn't know that
**Yep:

http://www.legislation.nsw.gov.au/inforce/8444158c-3268-4730-ab8e-eaf50faf4bc2/1998-87.pdf





Page 23.
One would assume that since you are capable of quoting the act, you
are
also capable of reading it. It does NOT give you 'cart blanche' a
right
to kill cats on your property, viz...

Companion Animals Act 1998 No 87 [NSW]
Part 4 Responsibilities for control of cats

(3) If a cat that is not under the effective control of some
competent
person enters any
inclosed lands within the meaning of the Inclosed Lands Protection
Act
1901 and
approaches any animal being farmed on the land, the occupier of the
land
or any
person authorised by the occupier can lawfully injure or destroy
the cat
if he or she
reasonably believes that the cat will molest, attack or cause
injury to
any of those
animals.

(4) An authorised officer who finds a cat attacking or harassing an
animal (other than
vermin) within a wildlife protection area (as defined in section 30
(1)
(b)) can
lawfully injure or destroy the cat if there is no other reasonably
practicable way of
protecting the animal.

(5) A person who takes action under the authority of this section
that
results in the injury
to or death of a cat must:
(a) take reasonable steps to ensure that an injured cat receives any
necessary
treatment, and
(b) report the matter to an authorised officer (unless the person
is an
authorised
officer) and comply with such reasonable directions as the authorised
officer
may give for the purpose of causing the cat to be returned to its
owner
or taken
to a council pound, and
(c) take reasonable steps to inform the owner of the cat.

(6) An authorised officer is not to give a direction under this
section
for the purpose of
causing a cat to be taken to a council pound unless the authorised
officer is satisfied
that the owner of the cat cannot be identified.

(7) Nothing in this section authorises a contravention of the

(8) The authority conferred by this section to destroy a cat extends
only to authorising
the destruction of the cat in a manner that causes it to die
quickly and
without
unnecessary suffering.
..................................................

firstly the property must comply with the meaning of inclosed land as
prescribed by the Inclosed Lands Protection Act 1901, secondly the
cat
has to be threat to a 'farmed animal', thirdly you need to comply
with
the directions in section (5), and lastly nothing may be done that
contravenes the Prevention of Cruelty to Animals Act 1979.

do you have any farmed animals on your property? does it constitute
'inclosed land'? if not, then you have no right to kill or injure
any
cat on your premises. and if you do so, I would suggest you would be
subject to penalties under the provision of cruelty to animals
legislation
**You are correct. However, the local animal control officer provided
me sufficient information to deal with all that. Either way, I don't
kill them. I catch them and send them to the pound.


what right do you have to trap them?
He is also putting out baits to entice his neighbors cat to enter his
property,

did he say that he was?



Yes he did,on the 18/02

There is a difference between "enticing" and "trapping". He's trapping
and the food is the bait for the trap. He could quite legitimately
claim that he's not doing any "enticing" at all. If the cat is in his
yard, it's not there with his approval. No owner of a wandering cat
should complain if the cat enters a baited trap. In suburbia, no-one
who does not own a cat should be subject to the incursions of someone
else's pet on a regular basis.

"**It is indeed. Possum cages work well. A can of tuna or salmon and the
cat is caught. The average cat in Australia is reputed to kill something
like 7 native animals per year. It's appalling. Cat owners are, in the
main, a disgusting sub-set of humanity. That said, not all are like
that. A mate's wife owned a cat, so my mate arranged for a large
indoor/outdoor area to be securely fenced with chicken wire, so the cat
could play and not interact with any native species. He is in the
minority."






needs his arse sued off by a lawyer.

 

[Trevor Wilson]

On 21/02/2017 10:33 AM, Petzl wrote:

On Tue, 21 Feb 2017 10:10:11 +1100, Trevor Wilson
trevor@SPAMBLOCKrageaudio.com.au> wrote:

**OK. Rats are a small problem in my area. Baits and traps deal with the
problem quite well. As do Kookaburras and in one case I witnessed,
Butcher Birds (I saw a male carrying a baby rat off to eat). I accept
that your issues are more serious. FWIW: A school mate and his family
owned a Terrier (don't recall what kind - short red, wiry haired type).
It was an amazing ratter. At least once a week, it would present it's
latest kill at the back door of their home. It NEVER killed birds. Just
rats. Smart, friendly and fun. Geez it was a fabulous dog. Even after
losing an eye in an accident, it would still kill rats.

According to a report commissioned by your council rats are a large
problem

**Which is my council? I don't live in Rockdale.

--
Trevor Wilson
www.rageaudio.com.au

 

[de chucka]

On 20/02/2017 5:45 PM, felix wrote:

On Monday, 20 Feb 2017 8:15 AM, Trevor Wilson wrote:
On 19/02/2017 12:38 PM, felix wrote:
On Sunday, 19 Feb 2017 12:06 PM, Trevor Wilson wrote:
On 19/02/2017 12:03 PM, felix wrote:
On Sunday, 19 Feb 2017 9:58 AM, Trevor Wilson wrote:
On 18/02/2017 9:20 PM, felix wrote:
On Saturday, 18 Feb 2017 9:43 AM, Trevor Wilson wrote:
On 17/02/2017 9:20 PM, Ned Latham wrote:
Trevor Wilson wrote:

----snip----

So, what will you do? Kill a cat today? I send my neighbour's
cats
off
to the pound when I catch them.

Fuck me, that's a good idea!




**It is indeed. Possum cages work well. A can of tuna or salmon and
the cat is caught. The average cat in Australia is reputed to kill
something like 7 native animals per year.

what native animals are there in suburbia?

**In my (tiny, 700 sq M) backyard?

* Sulfur Crested Cockatoo
* Magpies (a family of 7 - 3 generations)
* Kookaburras
* Crested Pigeons
* Noisy miners
* King Parrots
* Lorikeets
* Eastern Rosellas
* Crimson Rosellas
* Striped Marsh Frogs
* Perrins Tree Frogs
* Blue tongue lizards (at least 3 I know of)
* Leaf Tail Gekkos
* Ring Tail Possums
* Brush Tail Possums

All, with the possible exception of Cockatoos, are fair game for
cats.





Cat owners are, in the main, a disgusting sub-set of humanity.

you're an idiot

**Cat owners are, in the main, thoughtless arseholes.

cats are animals you moron. you can't ascribe human moral
judgements to
them.

**OK, Einstein, read what I wrote, you fucking moron. "Cat OWNERS....."

Oops! but no, they're not. more dog owners are idiots than cat owners.
ppl don't buy cats to make themselves look (seem) tough

**Irrelevant. Most cat owners do not keep their disgusting, filthy
animals in their homes.

how would you know what 'most' cat owners do? you don't of course. in my
opinion most cat owners have their cats inside some of the time, and
outside some of the time. mine is only outside a few hours a day, unless
no one is home.

and what is it doing. The ABC reported on GPS tracking of the cute
little felines and how far the wandered

cats don't like to be cooped up inside all the time,

just like ppl don't. it's not unlawful to allow a cat to be outside.

Should be if it isn't in your yard

and

do you also consider dogs to be 'disgusting, filthy animals'? and if not
why not

They allow them out to crap all over the neighbourhood and kill native
animals.






That said, not all are like that. A mate's wife owned a cat, so my
mate arranged for a large indoor/outdoor area to be securely fenced
with chicken wire, so the cat could play and not interact with any
native species. He is in the minority.



so he should be..

**Why do you think that keeping cats is a good idea?



cats are wonderful pets.

**Sure.

they give a lot of pleasure to many people.

**Sure.

never heard of a cat ripping a childs face open or killing a pet
poodle
yet eg: http://www.mamamia.com.au/pitbull-attack-5yo-girl/

**Uh huh:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2577997/Father-calls-911-help-enraged-cat-attacks-baby-bails-family-including-DOG-bedroom.html



https://www.thesun.co.uk/archives/news/870201/cat-attacks-baby-in-cot/

http://emj.bmj.com/content/22/4/260.full

http://ezinearticles.com/?Child-Injuries-From-Cats&id=3202667

cat attacks are rare compared to dog attacks. I can't even recall ever
hearing a report of one

**And yet, I just provided you with a bunch of cites. Did you bother
reading them?

I saw them. doesn't change the fact that cat attacks are rare compared
to dog attacks.




You've managed to stray off-topic here. I was speaking about the
damage to indigenous animals from cats.

which you've greatly overstated and exaggerated.

**I've SEEN, FIRST HAND, the results of domestic cats on wildlife in
my own backyard.

and you're just one resident in a country of 22 million ppl, so why
would you think your experience is typical and commonplace?

Sorry it is a fact and there is plenty of data to back it up. Around my
property wandering dogs get sent to the pound (if catchable) while
wandering cats get shot like other feral animals

 

[Petzl]

On Tue, 21 Feb 2017 11:15:48 +1100, Trevor Wilson
<trevor@SPAMBLOCKrageaudio.com.au> wrote:

On 21/02/2017 10:33 AM, Petzl wrote:
On Tue, 21 Feb 2017 10:10:11 +1100, Trevor Wilson
trevor@SPAMBLOCKrageaudio.com.au> wrote:

**OK. Rats are a small problem in my area. Baits and traps deal with the
problem quite well. As do Kookaburras and in one case I witnessed,
Butcher Birds (I saw a male carrying a baby rat off to eat). I accept
that your issues are more serious. FWIW: A school mate and his family
owned a Terrier (don't recall what kind - short red, wiry haired type).
It was an amazing ratter. At least once a week, it would present it's
latest kill at the back door of their home. It NEVER killed birds. Just
rats. Smart, friendly and fun. Geez it was a fabulous dog. Even after
losing an eye in an accident, it would still kill rats.

According to a report commissioned by your council rats are a large
problem


**Which is my council? I don't live in Rockdale.

OK but you live in Sydney
"Reports of increased rat sightings across Sydney spark disease"
Seem to register you mentioned Rockdale or being near in past. Might
of been Sutherland where is near the same as Rockdale area

According to a report commissioned by your council rats are a large
problem

The Black Rat climbs trees and eats small birds or eggs out of their
nests, as well as fruit and vegetables.

They often cause damage by gnawing pipes, telephone cords and hoses.
They are unhygienic and the carrier of disease. This Rat can have up
to 60 young in a year and at three months, are sexually mature.
The Black Rat is commonly sighted in the Rockdale area by day or
night. Common sightings are around most of our waterways and
beach areas. This is the rat seen by most people.
Most people wrongly call them Water Rats; nothing could be further
from the truth.

Of course then there is the rat disease problem
<http://www.abc.net.au/news/2015-01-15/increased-rat-sightings-across-sydney/6018656>
https://is.gd/wD1SYI
Reports of increased rat sightings across Sydney spark disease
concerns
*****************

Then with even feral cats
<http://www.sciencemag.org/news/2013/08/australian-cats-and-foxes-may-not-deserve-their-bad-rep>
https://is.gd/RoXaoU
Foxes and feral cats are wildly unpopular among Australian
conservationists. The two animals are infamous for killing off the
continent's native species, and they?e been the targets of numerous
government-backed eradication campaigns.

But new research suggests that on Australian islands, these predators
help control an even more destructive one: the black rat. As a result,
eliminating cats and foxes could actually leave native mammals more
vulnerable to predation, competition, and ultimately extinction.
--
Petzl
It's not now taught in school, but Australia's Constitutional Monarchy places us under a legally defined God - the Christian God,
whose compound redemptive Name is Lord Jesus Christ.
Following the opening words of our Constitution,
"Whereas the people of...", comes the clause:
"...humbly relying on the blessing of Almighty God..."
http://foundingdocs.gov.au/scan-sid-103.html

 

[de chucka]

On 20/02/2017 7:43 PM, felix wrote:

On Monday, 20 Feb 2017 11:29 AM, Trevor Wilson wrote:
On 20/02/2017 11:28 AM, felix wrote:
On Monday, 20 Feb 2017 9:27 AM, Trevor Wilson wrote:
On 19/02/2017 12:06 PM, felix wrote:
On Sunday, 19 Feb 2017 10:20 AM, Trevor Wilson wrote:
On 18/02/2017 9:17 PM, felix wrote:
On Friday, 17 Feb 2017 7:36 PM, Trevor Wilson wrote:

In any case, if you are REALLY so fucking concerned about birds (I
bet
you're not), then you should be killing cats. Cats kill 10,000
times
more birds than wind turbines do.

So, what will you do? Kill a cat today? I send my neighbour's cats
off
to the pound when I catch them.

what a prick you are! it's not illegal to own a cat. do you also run
elderly drivers off the road coz they're too slow?

**Thanks to NSW state law, I am entitled to exterminate any cats I
find on my property.

I didn't know that

**Yep:

http://www.legislation.nsw.gov.au/inforce/8444158c-3268-4730-ab8e-eaf50faf4bc2/1998-87.pdf



Page 23.

One would assume that since you are capable of quoting the act, you are
also capable of reading it. It does NOT give you 'cart blanche' a right
to kill cats on your property, viz...

Companion Animals Act 1998 No 87 [NSW]
Part 4 Responsibilities for control of cats

(3) If a cat that is not under the effective control of some competent
person enters any
inclosed lands within the meaning of the Inclosed Lands Protection Act
1901 and
approaches any animal being farmed on the land, the occupier of the land
or any
person authorised by the occupier can lawfully injure or destroy the cat
if he or she
reasonably believes that the cat will molest, attack or cause injury to
any of those
animals.

(4) An authorised officer who finds a cat attacking or harassing an
animal (other than
vermin) within a wildlife protection area (as defined in section 30 (1)
(b)) can
lawfully injure or destroy the cat if there is no other reasonably
practicable way of
protecting the animal.

(5) A person who takes action under the authority of this section that
results in the injury
to or death of a cat must:
(a) take reasonable steps to ensure that an injured cat receives any
necessary
treatment, and
(b) report the matter to an authorised officer (unless the person is an
authorised
officer) and comply with such reasonable directions as the authorised
officer
may give for the purpose of causing the cat to be returned to its owner
or taken
to a council pound, and
(c) take reasonable steps to inform the owner of the cat.

(6) An authorised officer is not to give a direction under this section
for the purpose of
causing a cat to be taken to a council pound unless the authorised
officer is satisfied
that the owner of the cat cannot be identified.

(7) Nothing in this section authorises a contravention of the

(8) The authority conferred by this section to destroy a cat extends
only to authorising
the destruction of the cat in a manner that causes it to die quickly and
without
unnecessary suffering.
..................................................

firstly the property must comply with the meaning of inclosed land as
prescribed by the Inclosed Lands Protection Act 1901, secondly the cat
has to be threat to a 'farmed animal', thirdly you need to comply with
the directions in section (5), and lastly nothing may be done that
contravenes the Prevention of Cruelty to Animals Act 1979.

do you have any farmed animals on your property? does it constitute
'inclosed land'? if not, then you have no right to kill or injure any
cat on your premises. and if you do so, I would suggest you would be
subject to penalties under the provision of cruelty to animals
legislation

**You are correct. However, the local animal control officer provided
me sufficient information to deal with all that. Either way, I don't
kill them. I catch them and send them to the pound.



what right do you have to trap them?

He is doing a public service by getting them returned to their amazingly
irresponsible ownersa

 

[de chucka]

snip

what right do you have to trap them?

He is also putting out baits to entice his neighbors cat to enter his
property, needs his arse sued off by a lawyer.

2 paracetamol tablets in the bait is effective but illegal

 

[Petzl]

On Tue, 21 Feb 2017 10:41:25 +1100, Fran Snortilus
<nuts@loathsomeneedshelp.com> wrote:

On 21/02/2017 1:46 AM, F Murtz wrote:
felix wrote:
On Monday, 20 Feb 2017 7:53 PM, Petzl wrote:
On Mon, 20 Feb 2017 19:43:15 +1100, felix <felix@real_felix.invalid
wrote:

On Monday, 20 Feb 2017 11:29 AM, Trevor Wilson wrote:
On 20/02/2017 11:28 AM, felix wrote:
On Monday, 20 Feb 2017 9:27 AM, Trevor Wilson wrote:
On 19/02/2017 12:06 PM, felix wrote:
On Sunday, 19 Feb 2017 10:20 AM, Trevor Wilson wrote:
On 18/02/2017 9:17 PM, felix wrote:
On Friday, 17 Feb 2017 7:36 PM, Trevor Wilson wrote:

In any case, if you are REALLY so fucking concerned about
birds (I
bet
you're not), then you should be killing cats. Cats kill 10,000
times
more birds than wind turbines do.

So, what will you do? Kill a cat today? I send my neighbour's
cats
off
to the pound when I catch them.
what a prick you are! it's not illegal to own a cat. do you
also run
elderly drivers off the road coz they're too slow?
**Thanks to NSW state law, I am entitled to exterminate any cats I
find on my property.
I didn't know that
**Yep:

http://www.legislation.nsw.gov.au/inforce/8444158c-3268-4730-ab8e-eaf50faf4bc2/1998-87.pdf





Page 23.
One would assume that since you are capable of quoting the act, you
are
also capable of reading it. It does NOT give you 'cart blanche' a
right
to kill cats on your property, viz...

Companion Animals Act 1998 No 87 [NSW]
Part 4 Responsibilities for control of cats

(3) If a cat that is not under the effective control of some
competent
person enters any
inclosed lands within the meaning of the Inclosed Lands Protection
Act
1901 and
approaches any animal being farmed on the land, the occupier of the
land
or any
person authorised by the occupier can lawfully injure or destroy
the cat
if he or she
reasonably believes that the cat will molest, attack or cause
injury to
any of those
animals.

(4) An authorised officer who finds a cat attacking or harassing an
animal (other than
vermin) within a wildlife protection area (as defined in section 30
(1)
(b)) can
lawfully injure or destroy the cat if there is no other reasonably
practicable way of
protecting the animal.

(5) A person who takes action under the authority of this section
that
results in the injury
to or death of a cat must:
(a) take reasonable steps to ensure that an injured cat receives any
necessary
treatment, and
(b) report the matter to an authorised officer (unless the person
is an
authorised
officer) and comply with such reasonable directions as the authorised
officer
may give for the purpose of causing the cat to be returned to its
owner
or taken
to a council pound, and
(c) take reasonable steps to inform the owner of the cat.

(6) An authorised officer is not to give a direction under this
section
for the purpose of
causing a cat to be taken to a council pound unless the authorised
officer is satisfied
that the owner of the cat cannot be identified.

(7) Nothing in this section authorises a contravention of the

(8) The authority conferred by this section to destroy a cat extends
only to authorising
the destruction of the cat in a manner that causes it to die
quickly and
without
unnecessary suffering.
..................................................

firstly the property must comply with the meaning of inclosed land as
prescribed by the Inclosed Lands Protection Act 1901, secondly the
cat
has to be threat to a 'farmed animal', thirdly you need to comply
with
the directions in section (5), and lastly nothing may be done that
contravenes the Prevention of Cruelty to Animals Act 1979.

do you have any farmed animals on your property? does it constitute
'inclosed land'? if not, then you have no right to kill or injure
any
cat on your premises. and if you do so, I would suggest you would be
subject to penalties under the provision of cruelty to animals
legislation
**You are correct. However, the local animal control officer provided
me sufficient information to deal with all that. Either way, I don't
kill them. I catch them and send them to the pound.


what right do you have to trap them?
He is also putting out baits to entice his neighbors cat to enter his
property,

did he say that he was?



Yes he did,on the 18/02

There is a difference between "enticing" and "trapping". He's trapping
and the food is the bait for the trap. He could quite legitimately
claim that he's not doing any "enticing" at all. If the cat is in his
yard, it's not there with his approval. No owner of a wandering cat
should complain if the cat enters a baited trap. In suburbia, no-one
who does not own a cat should be subject to the incursions of someone
else's pet on a regular basis.

Entrapment his nieghbourhood cats would not ever enter his property if
he didn't lay food out for them!
Like you he's a vicious nutter at war with his neighbours
He has never had a cat problem it is just in his mind.

"**It is indeed. Possum cages work well. A can of tuna or salmon and the
cat is caught. The average cat in Australia is reputed to kill something
like 7 native animals per year. It's appalling. Cat owners are, in the
main, a disgusting sub-set of humanity. That said, not all are like
that. A mate's wife owned a cat, so my mate arranged for a large
indoor/outdoor area to be securely fenced with chicken wire, so the cat
could play and not interact with any native species. He is in the
minority."






needs his arse sued off by a lawyer.

--
The Black Rat climbs
trees and eats small birds or eggs out of their
nests, as well as fruit and vegetables.
They often cause damage by gnawing pipes,
telephone cords and hoses. They are unhygienic
and the carrier of disease. This Rat can have up
to 60 young in a year and at three months, are
sexually mature.
The Black Rat is commonly sighted in the
Rockdale area by day or night. Common
sightings are around most of our waterways and
beach areas. This is the rat seen by most people.
Most people wrongly call them Water Rats;
nothing could be further from the truth.

 

[de chucka]

On 21/02/2017 12:39 AM, felix wrote:

On Monday, 20 Feb 2017 11:59 PM, felix wrote:
On Monday, 20 Feb 2017 7:53 PM, Petzl wrote:
On Mon, 20 Feb 2017 19:43:15 +1100, felix <felix@real_felix.invalid
wrote:

On Monday, 20 Feb 2017 11:29 AM, Trevor Wilson wrote:
On 20/02/2017 11:28 AM, felix wrote:
On Monday, 20 Feb 2017 9:27 AM, Trevor Wilson wrote:
On 19/02/2017 12:06 PM, felix wrote:
On Sunday, 19 Feb 2017 10:20 AM, Trevor Wilson wrote:
On 18/02/2017 9:17 PM, felix wrote:
On Friday, 17 Feb 2017 7:36 PM, Trevor Wilson wrote:

In any case, if you are REALLY so fucking concerned about
birds (I
bet
you're not), then you should be killing cats. Cats kill 10,000
times
more birds than wind turbines do.

So, what will you do? Kill a cat today? I send my neighbour's
cats
off
to the pound when I catch them.
what a prick you are! it's not illegal to own a cat. do you
also run
elderly drivers off the road coz they're too slow?
**Thanks to NSW state law, I am entitled to exterminate any cats I
find on my property.
I didn't know that
**Yep:

http://www.legislation.nsw.gov.au/inforce/8444158c-3268-4730-ab8e-eaf50faf4bc2/1998-87.pdf




Page 23.
One would assume that since you are capable of quoting the act,
you are
also capable of reading it. It does NOT give you 'cart blanche' a
right
to kill cats on your property, viz...

Companion Animals Act 1998 No 87 [NSW]
Part 4 Responsibilities for control of cats

(3) If a cat that is not under the effective control of some
competent
person enters any
inclosed lands within the meaning of the Inclosed Lands Protection
Act
1901 and
approaches any animal being farmed on the land, the occupier of
the land
or any
person authorised by the occupier can lawfully injure or destroy
the cat
if he or she
reasonably believes that the cat will molest, attack or cause
injury to
any of those
animals.

(4) An authorised officer who finds a cat attacking or harassing an
animal (other than
vermin) within a wildlife protection area (as defined in section
30 (1)
(b)) can
lawfully injure or destroy the cat if there is no other reasonably
practicable way of
protecting the animal.

(5) A person who takes action under the authority of this section
that
results in the injury
to or death of a cat must:
(a) take reasonable steps to ensure that an injured cat receives any
necessary
treatment, and
(b) report the matter to an authorised officer (unless the person
is an
authorised
officer) and comply with such reasonable directions as the authorised
officer
may give for the purpose of causing the cat to be returned to its
owner
or taken
to a council pound, and
(c) take reasonable steps to inform the owner of the cat.

(6) An authorised officer is not to give a direction under this
section
for the purpose of
causing a cat to be taken to a council pound unless the authorised
officer is satisfied
that the owner of the cat cannot be identified.

(7) Nothing in this section authorises a contravention of the

(8) The authority conferred by this section to destroy a cat extends
only to authorising
the destruction of the cat in a manner that causes it to die
quickly and
without
unnecessary suffering.
..................................................

firstly the property must comply with the meaning of inclosed land as
prescribed by the Inclosed Lands Protection Act 1901, secondly the
cat
has to be threat to a 'farmed animal', thirdly you need to comply
with
the directions in section (5), and lastly nothing may be done that
contravenes the Prevention of Cruelty to Animals Act 1979.

do you have any farmed animals on your property? does it constitute
'inclosed land'? if not, then you have no right to kill or injure
any
cat on your premises. and if you do so, I would suggest you would be
subject to penalties under the provision of cruelty to animals
legislation
**You are correct. However, the local animal control officer provided
me sufficient information to deal with all that. Either way, I don't
kill them. I catch them and send them to the pound.


what right do you have to trap them?
He is also putting out baits to entice his neighbors cat to enter his
property,

did he say that he was?

of course, if he's trapping them then he's baiting his traps. what a
scumbag!
If your cat doesn't wander you have no problem BUT cats do