Red Alert on Green Bulbs

[Alan Rutlidge]

"Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote in message
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Some terminal fuckwit that got the bums rush from the
biggest sheltered workshop in the entire fucking country,
Alan Rutlidge desperately attempted to bullshit and lie
its way out of its predicament and fooled absolutely
no one at all, as always.

The RodBot - right on cue as predicted.

 

[Rod Speed]

Phil Allison wrote

Rod Speed wrote

http://sound.westhost.com/articles/incandescent.htm

here are some facts on CFL vs other forms of lighting.

Nothing like facts, mostly really gross errors instead.

There is not one "gross error".

You're lying, as always.

Like

it turns out that dimmers are a far bigger issue that first imagined. What happens in houses where
dimmers are fitted? These must be removed completely, not simply set to maximum and left there.

That is just plain wrong...

It is an absolute fact !!!!

You're lying, as always.

Standard CFLs must NOT be used with a common triac dimmer EVEN when the dimmer control knob is set to max
sition - or else they will quickly burn out, catch fire and /or destroy the dimmer.

Pity about the dimmable CFLs, you silly little pig ignorant pathological liar.

Reasons and copious evidence were supplied in the article.

Pity it completely ignored the dimmable CFLs, you silly little pig ignorant pathological liar.

<reams of your rabid psychotic raving flushed where it belongs>

 

[Rod Speed]

Some terminal fuckwit that got the bums rush from the
biggest sheltered workshop in the entire fucking country,
Alan Rutlidge desperately attempted to bullshit and lie
its way out of its predicament and fooled absolutely
no one at all, as always.

 

[Michael A. Terrell]

Alan Rutlidge wrote:

"Phil Allison" <philallison@tpg.com.au> wrote in message
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" Fran is a FUCKING LIAR "

** Two more BLATANT LIES !!!

** Make it three BLATANT LIES !!!
Fran is nothing short of a CRIMINAL PSYCHOPATH.

Likely posting from the Green Ward of some mental hospital.




.... Phil


Yeah, well the last comment kind of sums up where you should be Philthy.
Your psycho suggestions of stabbing Fran clearly indicate your twisted
outlook and state of extremely poor mental health.
In other words - you are one sick puppy.

No need to insult puppies, sick or otherwise. He is a sociopath.


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[Michael A. Terrell]

Alan Rutlidge wrote:

ROFLMAO
Just check out all the pre-programmed RodBot responses.
I wonder how many times the pathetic RodBot has used exactly the same
automatically generated phrases over and over again?
It's like listening to a recording. Like a Pavlov's dog, ring the bell and
he comes a barking with the usual mindless drivel. Sigh........

At least Pavlov's dog was paper trained.


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[kreed]

On Jan 23, 4:39 am, "Rod Speed" <rod.speed....@gmail.com> wrote:

Phil Allison wrote

Rod Speed wrote
http://sound.westhost.com/articles/incandescent.htm
here are some facts on CFL vs other forms of lighting.
Nothing like facts, mostly really gross errors instead.
There is not one "gross error".

You're lying, as always.

Like
  it turns out that dimmers are a far bigger issue that first imagined. What happens in houses where
  dimmers are fitted? These must be removed completely, not simply set to maximum and left there.
That is just plain wrong...
It is an absolute fact  !!!!

You're lying, as always.

Standard CFLs must  NOT be used with a common triac dimmer  EVEN when the dimmer control knob is set to max
sition   -   or else they will quickly burn out, catch fire and /or destroy the dimmer.

Pity about the dimmable CFLs, you silly little pig ignorant pathological liar.

Reasons and copious evidence were supplied in the article.

Pity it completely ignored the dimmable CFLs, you silly little pig ignorant pathological liar.

reams of your rabid psychotic raving flushed where it belongs

Read this recent thread on "dimmable" CFL that is entitled:

"How many CFLs does it take to ...."

This is a quick link to the google archive
http://groups.google.com.au/group/aus.electronics/browse_frm/thread/fc5aaf7f9af82e49?hl=en#

 

[Phil Allison]

"John Tserkezis"

Phil Allison wrote:

** It is an absolute fact !!!!

Standard CFLs must NOT be used with a common triac dimmer EVEN when
the dimmer control knob is set to max position - or else they will
quickly burn out, catch fire and /or destroy the dimmer.

Reasons and copious evidence were supplied in the article.

You have to read between the lines,

** Absolute bollocks.

You have obviously done no actual testing at all.

"Thought experiments " do not count - IMBECILE.



........ Phil

 

[Phil Allison]

"Rod Speed"

Phil Allison wrote
Rod Speed wrote

http://sound.westhost.com/articles/incandescent.htm

here are some facts on CFL vs other forms of lighting.

Nothing like facts, mostly really gross errors instead.

There is not one "gross error".

You're lying, as always.

** You did not read the damn article.

The preamble is not the article !!

FUCKWIT !!

it turns out that dimmers are a far bigger issue that first imagined.
What happens in houses where
dimmers are fitted? These must be removed completely, not simply set
to maximum and left there.

That is just plain wrong...

It is an absolute fact !!!!

You're lying, as always.

** You did not read the damn article.

The preamble is not the article !!

FUCKWIT !!

Standard CFLs must NOT be used with a common triac dimmer EVEN when the
dimmer control knob is set to max sition - or else they will quickly
burn out, catch fire and /or destroy the dimmer.

Pity about the dimmable CFLs,

** Completely irrelevant to what the advice is about.

You did not read the damn article.

The preamble is not the article !!

FUCKWIT !!

Reasons and copious evidence were supplied in the article.

Pity it completely ignored the dimmable CFLs,

** You did not read the damn article.

The preamble is not the article !!

FUCKWIT !!




........ Phil

 

[Mr.T]

"Alan Rutlidge" <don't_spam_me_rutlidge@iinet.net.au> wrote in message
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The RodBot - right on cue as predicted.

You mean you don't have him kill-filed?

MrT.

 

[kreed]

On Jan 23, 10:54 am, "Phil Allison" <philalli...@tpg.com.au> wrote:

"Rod Speed"

Phil Allison wrote
Rod Speed wrote

http://sound.westhost.com/articles/incandescent.htm

here are some facts on CFL vs other forms of lighting.

Nothing like facts, mostly really gross errors instead.

There is not one "gross error".

You're lying, as always.

** You did not read the damn article.

    The preamble is not the article  !!

     FUCKWIT   !!

  it turns out that dimmers are a far bigger issue that first imagined.
What happens in houses where
  dimmers are fitted? These must be removed completely, not simply set
to maximum and left there.

That is just plain wrong...

It is an absolute fact  !!!!

You're lying, as always.

** You did not read the damn article.

    The preamble is not the article  !!

     FUCKWIT   !!

Standard CFLs must  NOT be used with a common triac dimmer  EVEN when the
dimmer control knob is set to max sition   -   or else they will quickly
burn out, catch fire and /or destroy the dimmer.

Pity about the dimmable CFLs,

**  Completely irrelevant to what the advice is about.

 You did not read the damn article.

 The preamble is not the article  !!

  FUCKWIT   !!

Reasons and copious evidence were supplied in the article.

Pity it completely ignored the dimmable CFLs,

**  You did not read the damn article.

   The preamble is not the article  !!

   FUCKWIT   !!

.......  Phil

If you know the guy that did that article, this might be of interest
for further research by those with knowledge of the systems:

A related matter involves C-Bus and similar "electronic home control"
systems.
Most of these systems IIRC support dimming, "soft on/off" etc which
would surely be
handled by a Triac based system. While these aren't common in homes
yet, they have been appearing in up-market and "smart" building
designs

EA (?) some years back also published kit construction details for
modules for switching/dimming bulbs even, and the dimmer ones used a
triac.


Some months ago I was talking to a manager of a local hotel/resort
complex, and the subject of lighting control systems came up, asking
if I could help with a problem they have.
They have an "electronic control system" system thats about 4 years
old ( I think C bus but not sure) that controls hundreds of bulbs in a
bar and restaurant area.

The comment made was "recently - regularly the units connected to the
bulbs are 'burning out', and have to be replaced at about $100 a
pop". The electrician says they are "probably under-rated as they are
failing repeatedly".

I havent seen the system or been to the premises and am not making
adverse comments on C-bus in particular.

After posting the link to "how many CFL's does it take to...." earlier
today the penny dropped.

Maybe they have been changing to CFLs in some fittings and maybe the
control system isnt designed for it ? I will have to find out if
they have recently changed bulbs, system might work great on
incandescent loads - but not be designed or intended to be used with
CFL, even dimmable ones. The repeated current spikes on dimmable CFL,
on triac dimmers - even if only one dimmer per bulb - used in large
numbers in commercial premises might make for some very nasty
intermittent problems with nuisance tripping of breakers, need for
thicker cabling, "dirty" power throughout the building etc.

With the current economic conditions, and if incandescent are banned
or become "politically incorrect to be seen by the public to be used,
commercial premises with these systems may start bulk installations of
CFL for "cost cutting".

 

[Rod Speed]

kreed wrote

Rod Speed <rod.speed....@gmail.com> wrote
Phil Allison wrote
Rod Speed wrote

http://sound.westhost.com/articles/incandescent.htm
here are some facts on CFL vs other forms of lighting.

Nothing like facts, mostly really gross errors instead.

There is not one "gross error".

You're lying, as always.

Like it turns out that dimmers are a far bigger issue that first
imagined. What happens in houses where dimmers are fitted?
These must be removed completely, not simply set to
maximum and left there. That is just plain wrong...

It is an absolute fact !!!!

You're lying, as always.

Standard CFLs must NOT be used with a common triac dimmer
EVEN when the dimmer control knob is set to max sition - or else
they will quickly burn out, catch fire and /or destroy the dimmer.

Pity about the dimmable CFLs, you silly little pig ignorant pathological liar.

Reasons and copious evidence were supplied in the article.

Pity it completely ignored the dimmable CFLs, you silly little pig ignorant pathological liar.

reams of your rabid psychotic raving flushed where it belongs

Read this recent thread on "dimmable" CFL that is entitled:

"How many CFLs does it take to ...."

This is a quick link to the google archive
http://groups.google.com.au/group/aus.electronics/browse_frm/thread/fc5aaf7f9af82e49?hl=en#

Not interested, there are plenty of dimmable CFLs available.

 

[Rod Speed]

Some psychotic toaster molester claiming to be
Phil Allison desperately attempted to bullshit and lie it way out
of its predicament and fooled absolutely no one at all, as always.

Unfortunately the NSW cops now use tasers so its unlikely he'll be summarily executed now.

 

[Phil Allison]

"Rod Speed"

kreed wrote

Read this recent thread on "dimmable" CFL that is entitled:

"How many CFLs does it take to ...."

This is a quick link to the google archive
http://groups.google.com.au/group/aus.electronics/browse_frm/thread/fc5aaf7f9af82e49?hl=en#

Not interested, there are plenty of dimmable CFLs available.

** The thread is about "dimmable" CFLs - you illiterate FUCKHEAD !!

The Q was asking how many dimmable CFLs does it take to overload and blow a
standard wall plate dimmer.


FUCKWIT !!




....... Phil

 

[Alan Rutlidge]

"Mr.T" <MrT@home> wrote in message
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"Alan Rutlidge" <don't_spam_me_rutlidge@iinet.net.au> wrote in message
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The RodBot - right on cue as predicted.

You mean you don't have him kill-filed?

MrT.

Nah, he's an interesting case study into predictable behaviour patterns.
Some would go so far as to comment on Roddles as a "has been". The sad
truth in Roddles case is you had to have been something to be a "has been".
Poor old Roddles was nothing to begin with, therefore the tag "has been"
can't be applied in his case.
Besides, kill-filing him doesn't completely eliminate having to read his
rubbish when someone else responds to his drivel. :-(

 

[Rod Speed]

Some psychotic toaster molester claiming to be
Phil Allison desperately attempted to bullshit and lie it way out
of its predicament and fooled absolutely no one at all, as always.

Unfortunately the NSW cops now use tasers so its unlikely he'll be summarily executed now.

 

[Rod Speed]

Some terminal fuckwit that got the bums rush from the
biggest sheltered workshop in the entire fucking country,
Alan Rutlidge desperately attempted to bullshit and lie
its way out of its predicament and fooled absolutely
no one at all, as always.

 

[Eeyore]

Fran wrote:

Eeyore <rabbitsfriendsandrelati...@hotmail.com> wrote:
Fran wrote:
kreed <kenreed1...@gmail.com> wrote:

I imagine if the biosphere could speak it would. Pumping mercury and
radioactive actinides and FPM into the air and the water via the
emissions of coal fired power plants is far worse, especially for
everyone living in the footprint of said plants. If the writer of this
story weren't such an ignorant moron, that tyhought would have
occurred to him. The again, perhaps it did occur to him but he takes
the view "why let reason interfere with a cheap shot at
environmentalism?"

Most environmentalism of the "man made carbon global warming" AGW
sort, is just bullshit.
Its about power, control and tax revenue raising, typical of the brain
dead, uneducated moronic society that the west has become.
Its the modern version of "flat earth" theory.

But the Earth is COOLING and Sea Level is FALLING !

Not according to those who are in a position to know.

I suggest you get up to date with the 'uncorrected' i.e. REAL data.

Graham

 

[Eeyore]

Fran wrote:

Eeyore <rabbitsfriendsandrelati...@hotmail.com> wrote:
Fran wrote:
The fact of the matter is that unlike incandescent bulbs, CFL bulbs
are typically made of a polymer, which is feasible because they don't
heat up. That's why they tend not to break if they are knocked or fall
onto carpet, and if they do they don't shatter.

Utter RUBBISH. I though you had more sense.

This only applies to EXPENSIVE CFLs that have a covering 'bulb' over the tube.
This also reduces their efficiency.

Not greatly

Oh, so that's OK is it ?

Note that the efficiency of CFLs is commonly misrepresented as FIVE times that of
incandescents.

4-6 is the usual lumens per watt input calculus.

As a result of a daft UK newspaper article claiming that incandescents were being
banned, I went to my local trade electrical store and and bought an allegedly illegal
150W GLS bulb (OSRAM) made in the EU (Slovakia).

The light output is rated at 2140 lumens. That's 14 lumens per watt.

Just more of the usual GREEN LIES.

You LIARS are finished.

Graham

 

[Eeyore]

Sylvia Else wrote:

Davo wrote:

Normal fluorescent tubes have always had mercury in them. If you look
closely you can even see a tiny bead of mercury rolling around inside. I
don't see why people are getting so excited about it when we've had them
for years already.

Indeed, and was there a great panic whenever we broke clinical
thermometers, or mercury thermometers at school?

It's "Elf 'n Safety" innit ?

Graham

 

[Eeyore]

"Mr.T" wrote:

And Madam Curie died of radiation poisoning.

And WTF has that got to do with the price of fish ?

Graham