RE Bigpond news server

[Noddy]

On 02/05/13 7:37 PM, Trevor wrote:

An when we had ours installed back then they did a great job, even put down
top soil and planted new lawn seed after they filled in the trench!
As always depends on the people.

Maybe you had an MP live in your suburb.


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[Noddy]

On 02/05/13 7:40 PM, Trevor wrote:

Until it's privatised and gets even worse. Then you can compare what *was*
with what is. Just like the banks, electricity, public transport etc.

Well, kinda. Things are very different today but it's across the board.



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[Noddy]

On 02/05/13 7:31 PM, Trevor wrote:

What has competition got to do with service?

Everything.

It can make it better sometimes, or worse in many other cases. Especially when private profit is
the sole consideration.

What would be a legitimate example of competition actually making
something worse?

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[D Walford]

On 02/05/2013 8:11 PM, Noddy wrote:

On 02/05/13 7:31 PM, Trevor wrote:

What has competition got to do with service?

Everything.

Maybe but competition in a lot of areas is increasing and service is
getting worse, competition can cause downward pressure on prices so no
money left for good service which is certainly so in the cleaning industry.
Some companies under quote then do a crap job, they usually don't keep
their contracts long but they put pressure on other business's that
quote properly.

It can make it better sometimes, or worse in many other cases.
Especially when private profit is
the sole consideration.

What would be a legitimate example of competition actually making
something worse?

See above, competition is usually good for consumers where price is the
main consideration but it doesn't always deliver the best service.


Daryl

 

[Noddy]

On 02/05/13 8:57 PM, D Walford wrote:

Maybe but competition in a lot of areas is increasing and service is
getting worse, competition can cause downward pressure on prices so no
money left for good service which is certainly so in the cleaning industry.
Some companies under quote then do a crap job, they usually don't keep
their contracts long but they put pressure on other business's that
quote properly.

Yeah but that's bad for the business. We're talking about what's good
for the customer.

See above, competition is usually good for consumers where price is the
main consideration but it doesn't always deliver the best service.

It doesn't, but then these days service doesn't seem to be related to
price like it used to be.



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[F Murtz]

Trevor wrote:

"Dechucka" <Dechucka_1@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:YoadnVGnl8eQ0OLMnZ2dnUVZ_rSdnZ2d@westnet.com.au...
I'm happy with my pre paid $49 phone because I only use it for occasional
calls,

That's a problem when you don't make many calls and still have to pay $49 a
month because that is the expiry time for credits. There are far cheaper
options for those making few calls, but as I said, nowhere near the same
coverage.

Trevor.


I have a second phone with a vodaphone sim which cost $2 and $20

recharge for 12 months the whole lot discounted 10% (although you have
to put up with vodaphone coverage)

 

[D Walford]

On 02/05/2013 10:34 PM, Noddy wrote:

On 02/05/13 8:57 PM, D Walford wrote:

Maybe but competition in a lot of areas is increasing and service is
getting worse, competition can cause downward pressure on prices so no
money left for good service which is certainly so in the cleaning
industry.
Some companies under quote then do a crap job, they usually don't keep
their contracts long but they put pressure on other business's that
quote properly.

Yeah but that's bad for the business. We're talking about what's good
for the customer.

Its also bad for the customer because they get poor service because the
business that under quoted can't afford to do the job properly.

See above, competition is usually good for consumers where price is the
main consideration but it doesn't always deliver the best service.

It doesn't, but then these days service doesn't seem to be related to
price like it used to be.

I suppose it depends on what sort of service is most important, IMO
Telstra's mobile phone service shits on all the others because it has
far better coverage, the fact they are a pita to deal with is a
secondary issue.
None of the telcos provide good service but at least my Telstra phone
works in locations outside a major city long after all the others have
given up.


Daryl

 

[Noddy]

On 02/05/13 10:45 PM, D Walford wrote:

I suppose it depends on what sort of service is most important, IMO
Telstra's mobile phone service shits on all the others because it has
far better coverage, the fact they are a pita to deal with is a
secondary issue.

It is, but it's by design I think. I think they'd be better to deal with
if they didn't have such a captive audience.

None of the telcos provide good service but at least my Telstra phone
works in locations outside a major city long after all the others have
given up.

Which is why most people have to put up with bullshit from Telstra, as
they've got them by the short and curlies. Around here *nothing* but
Telstra works. If you have anything else you have to drive to a
different area to get a signal.



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[Dechucka]

"Trevor" <trevor@home.net> wrote in message
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"Dechucka" <Dechucka_1@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:YoadnVGnl8eQ0OLMnZ2dnUVZ_rSdnZ2d@westnet.com.au...
I'm happy with my pre paid $49 phone because I only use it for occasional
calls,

That's a problem when you don't make many calls and still have to pay $49
a month because that is the expiry time for credits.

my phone cost $49 all up, it is prepaid my credit expires in 2115

 

[Blue Heeler]

F Murtz wrote:

I have a second phone with a vodaphone sim which cost $2 and $20
recharge for 12 months the whole lot discounted 10% (although you
have to put up with vodaphone coverage)

And their constant bombarding you with TXT messages advertising other
services.

I used to have Vodaphone 12 month expiry on the spare phones in the
cars. As they have been expiring I;'ve been switching to Amaysim -
Optus network and you only pay for what you use - no use, no bill. In
fact if your use is under $15 they just roll it into the following
month. And, unlike vodaphone, data works.
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[Jeßus]

On Wed, 01 May 2013 17:14:35 +1000, atec77 <"atec77 "@hotmail.com>
wrote:

On 1/05/2013 3:07 PM, Feral wrote:
On 1/05/2013 1:58 PM, Noddy wrote:
On 01/05/13 11:17 AM, Feral wrote:

Got your work cut out for you today, hey dumbo.

Have I? Can I borrow some putty?

Buy your own tight-arse. Hang on ..........


I doubt noddys might be described as tight if it's anything like his
comprehension levels

You're a poof.

 

[Noddy]

On 03/05/13 9:46 AM, Jeßus wrote:

You're a poof.

Heh

I don't think he can go for more than a few moments without bringing
chocolate wizz-wangs into the conversation.

Clearly there's a problem there



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[Feral]

On 3/05/2013 11:02 AM, Noddy wrote:

On 03/05/13 9:46 AM, Jeßus wrote:

You're a poof.

Heh

I don't think he can go for more than a few moments without bringing
chocolate wizz-wangs into the conversation.

Clearly there's a problem there

Tell us again who is it that has a favorite saying that includes "until
he spat/spits on your back"?


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[Noddy]

On 03/05/13 11:42 AM, Feral wrote:

Tell us again who is it that has a favorite saying that includes "until
he spat/spits on your back"?

I've used that saying before, but claiming it to be a favourite is
complete bullshit.

My favourite would be "Feral is a Moron", because not only is it funny
but it's also true



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[Jeßus]

On Fri, 03 May 2013 11:02:34 +1000, Noddy <me@wardengineering.com.au>
wrote:

On 03/05/13 9:46 AM, Jeßus wrote:

You're a poof.

Heh

I don't think he can go for more than a few moments without bringing
chocolate wizz-wangs into the conversation.

Well, he defaults to it nearly all the time, doesn't he?

Clearly there's a problem there

Definitely *something* going on there... creepy uncle, priest...
something.

 

[Jasen Betts]

On 2013-05-02, mark_ae86 <mark@emailaddress.usenet.local> wrote:

On 29/04/2013 3:48 PM, atec77 wrote:
On 29/04/2013 2:17 PM, F Murtz wrote:
I have just recieved an email from bigpond giving detailed instructions
on how to connect to bigpond ng so it appears that the stories on its
demise are exagerated. I would post the email but it has an instruction
not to repost.
I still can not recieve it but that is probably a problem between
seamonkey, my modem and bigpond server,I think it needs my password but
I can not figure a way to make it ask for it.
If you can't ping the server then it doesn't actually exist ?


This is just flat out wrong. Most servers will drop IGMP packets (PING
requests) its means nothing. And before you say it, trace route uses
IGMP and will also drop the packets despite recording the first few hops.

actually ICMP

I use tcptraceroute when I want to know what's going on with traffic
pointed at a particular service, it uses TCP packets.

The only way to know if the server is alive is to telnet. Open command
prompt and type, "telnet news.bigpond.com 119" no quotes.

that won't tell you if it's alive if it's unreachable, due to some
sort of routing error or firewall. tcptraceroute will tell you where
your packets are reaching, this information is potentially useful to
the people who need to fix the mess.

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[F Murtz]

Jasen Betts wrote:

On 2013-05-02, mark_ae86 <mark@emailaddress.usenet.local> wrote:
On 29/04/2013 3:48 PM, atec77 wrote:
On 29/04/2013 2:17 PM, F Murtz wrote:
I have just recieved an email from bigpond giving detailed instructions
on how to connect to bigpond ng so it appears that the stories on its
demise are exagerated. I would post the email but it has an instruction
not to repost.
I still can not recieve it but that is probably a problem between
seamonkey, my modem and bigpond server,I think it needs my password but
I can not figure a way to make it ask for it.
If you can't ping the server then it doesn't actually exist ?


This is just flat out wrong. Most servers will drop IGMP packets (PING
requests) its means nothing. And before you say it, trace route uses
IGMP and will also drop the packets despite recording the first few hops.

actually ICMP

I use tcptraceroute when I want to know what's going on with traffic
pointed at a particular service, it uses TCP packets.

The only way to know if the server is alive is to telnet. Open command
prompt and type, "telnet news.bigpond.com 119" no quotes.

that won't tell you if it's alive if it's unreachable, due to some
sort of routing error or firewall. tcptraceroute will tell you where
your packets are reaching, this information is potentially useful to
the people who need to fix the mess.

I pinged it and it tried 4 times then said timed out, I then telnetted

it and it said could not open connection to the host on port 119

Does this mean the bigpond news server server exists but not working,
just need ammo when the case worker finally gets back to me.

 

[Trevor]

"Noddy" <me@wardengineering.com.au> wrote in message
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On 02/05/13 7:31 PM, Trevor wrote:
What has competition got to do with service?

Everything.

So nothing in particular then.

It can make it better sometimes, or worse in many other cases. Especially
when private profit is
the sole consideration.

What would be a legitimate example of competition actually making
something worse?

Gas, electricity, water, public transport, telephone.... do I really need to
go on?

Trevor.

 

[Trevor]

"D Walford" <dwalford@internode.on.net> wrote in message
news:51826035$0$21869$c3e8da3$76491128@news.astraweb.com...

I suppose it depends on what sort of service is most important, IMO
Telstra's mobile phone service shits on all the others because it has far
better coverage, the fact they are a pita to deal with is a secondary
issue.
None of the telcos provide good service but at least my Telstra phone
works in locations outside a major city long after all the others have
given up.

And the AMPS service Telstra once provided before competition, but was
forced to close so as not to provide a service Optus wouldn't, had better
country coverage than anything since. (sattelite phones excepted)

Trevor.

 

[Trevor]

"F Murtz" <haggisz@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:kltml3$v4$1@dont-email.me...

Trevor wrote:
"Dechucka" <Dechucka_1@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:YoadnVGnl8eQ0OLMnZ2dnUVZ_rSdnZ2d@westnet.com.au...
I'm happy with my pre paid $49 phone because I only use it for
occasional
calls,

That's a problem when you don't make many calls and still have to pay $49
a
month because that is the expiry time for credits. There are far cheaper
options for those making few calls, but as I said, nowhere near the same
coverage.


I have a second phone with a vodaphone sim which cost $2 and $20 recharge
for 12 months the whole lot discounted 10% (although you have to put up
with vodaphone coverage)

Right, exactly as I said, you pay a HIGH price for Telstra coverage, even if
you don't use it much. I would be happier to pay a high price only for the
calls I actually make.

Trevor.