RE Bigpond news server

[Trevor]

"Dechucka" <Dechucka_1@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:k4qdne6JvJixWx_MnZ2dnUVZ_vadnZ2d@westnet.com.au...

I'm happy with my pre paid $49 phone because I only use it for
occasional calls,

That's a problem when you don't make many calls and still have to pay $49
a month because that is the expiry time for credits.

my phone cost $49 all up, it is prepaid my credit expires in 2115

Or a month after you actually start using it.

Trevor.

 

[atec77]

On 4/05/2013 5:18 PM, F Murtz wrote:

Jasen Betts wrote:
On 2013-05-02, mark_ae86 <mark@emailaddress.usenet.local> wrote:
On 29/04/2013 3:48 PM, atec77 wrote:
On 29/04/2013 2:17 PM, F Murtz wrote:
I have just recieved an email from bigpond giving detailed
instructions
on how to connect to bigpond ng so it appears that the stories on its
demise are exagerated. I would post the email but it has an
instruction
not to repost.
I still can not recieve it but that is probably a problem between
seamonkey, my modem and bigpond server,I think it needs my password
but
I can not figure a way to make it ask for it.
If you can't ping the server then it doesn't actually exist ?


This is just flat out wrong. Most servers will drop IGMP packets (PING
requests) its means nothing. And before you say it, trace route uses
IGMP and will also drop the packets despite recording the first few
hops.

actually ICMP

I use tcptraceroute when I want to know what's going on with traffic
pointed at a particular service, it uses TCP packets.

The only way to know if the server is alive is to telnet. Open command
prompt and type, "telnet news.bigpond.com 119" no quotes.

that won't tell you if it's alive if it's unreachable, due to some
sort of routing error or firewall. tcptraceroute will tell you where
your packets are reaching, this information is potentially useful to
the people who need to fix the mess.

I pinged it and it tried 4 times then said timed out, I then telnetted
it and it said could not open connection to the host on port 119

Does this mean the bigpond news server server exists but not working,
just need ammo when the case worker finally gets back to me.
It probably means the mx records reflect what previously existed but

being down the server wont respond in spite of the mx claiming otherwise

basically fecked

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[Gary R. Schmidt]

On 4/05/2013 7:29 PM, atec77 wrote:
[SNIP]

It probably means the mx records reflect what previously existed but
being down the server wont respond in spite of the mx claiming otherwise

An MX record has nothing to do with a news server name being correct.
MX records are for *mail* handling.

It's just an A record, that's all.

Which doesn't change the basic point that telstra collectively have less
than no clue.

Cheers,
Gary B-)

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They don't really mean it.
When women talk to their friends, they compliment each other.
They don't mean it either.

 

[Noddy]

On 04/05/13 5:59 PM, Trevor wrote:

Gas, electricity, water, public transport, telephone.... do I really need to
go on?

Yeah, you'd need to give a specific example of how those things were
actually made worse.



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Regards,
Noddy.

 

[T.T.]

On Monday, April 29, 2013 2:17:30 PM UTC+10, F Murtz wrote:

I have just recieved an email from bigpond giving detailed instructions

on how to connect to bigpond ng so it appears that the stories on its

demise are exagerated. I would post the email but it has an instruction

not to repost.

I still can not recieve it but that is probably a problem between

seamonkey, my modem and bigpond server,I think it needs my password but

I can not figure a way to make it ask for it.

 

[T.T.]

On Monday, April 29, 2013 2:17:30 PM UTC+10, F Murtz wrote:

I have just recieved an email from bigpond giving detailed instructions

on how to connect to bigpond ng so it appears that the stories on its

demise are exagerated. I would post the email but it has an instruction

not to repost.

I still can not recieve it but that is probably a problem between

seamonkey, my modem and bigpond server,I think it needs my password but

I can not figure a way to make it ask for it.

The last time this happened, I could not access newsgroups using Outlook Express via Bigpond. For years I could, then one day I couldn't I waited for a few weeks and then I tried Bigpond "Technical Support".It took hours and I was shunted back and forth between barely literate teenaged girls who didn't have the faintest idea what I was talking about. They were ignorant and stupid and rude, they had never heard of Newsgroups but knew there was no such thing and the idea that I had ever accessed them using Bigpond was preposterous. They were unanimous in the sure and certain belief that it was all Microsoft's fault, whatever my complaint was. I was astounded that they had so little knowledge of anything to do with Bigpond. In a well-run society they would have
starved to death.
Some weeks later newsgroups re-appeared, and now they have vanished again. It is pathetic but brooding is fruitless.

 

[Jeßus]

On Sun, 5 May 2013 01:23:24 -0700 (PDT), "T.T." <tonyt9292@gmail.com>
wrote:

On Monday, April 29, 2013 2:17:30 PM UTC+10, F Murtz wrote:
I have just recieved an email from bigpond giving detailed instructions

on how to connect to bigpond ng so it appears that the stories on its

demise are exagerated. I would post the email but it has an instruction

not to repost.

I still can not recieve it but that is probably a problem between

seamonkey, my modem and bigpond server,I think it needs my password but

I can not figure a way to make it ask for it.

The last time this happened, I could not access newsgroups using Outlook Express via Bigpond. For years I could, then one day I couldn't I waited for a few weeks and then I tried Bigpond "Technical Support".It took hours and I was shunted back and forth between barely literate teenaged girls who didn't have the faintest idea what I was talking about. They were ignorant and stupid and rude, they had never heard of Newsgroups but knew there was no such thing and the idea that I had ever accessed them using Bigpond was preposterous. They were unanimous in the sure and certain belief that it was all Microsoft's fault, whatever my complaint was. I was astounded that they had so little knowledge of anything to do with Bigpond. In a well-run society they would have
starved to death.
Some weeks later newsgroups re-appeared, and now they have vanished again. It is pathetic but brooding is fruitless.

So nothing has changed since I had BP cable thirteen years ago.

 

[mark_ae86]

On 2/05/2013 6:32 PM, F Murtz wrote:

mark_ae86 wrote:
On 29/04/2013 3:48 PM, atec77 wrote:
On 29/04/2013 2:17 PM, F Murtz wrote:
I have just recieved an email from bigpond giving detailed instructions
on how to connect to bigpond ng so it appears that the stories on its
demise are exagerated. I would post the email but it has an instruction
not to repost.
I still can not recieve it but that is probably a problem between
seamonkey, my modem and bigpond server,I think it needs my password but
I can not figure a way to make it ask for it.
If you can't ping the server then it doesn't actually exist ?


This is just flat out wrong. Most servers will drop IGMP packets (PING
requests) its means nothing. And before you say it, trace route uses
IGMP and will also drop the packets despite recording the first few hops.

The only way to know if the server is alive is to telnet. Open command
prompt and type, "telnet news.bigpond.com 119" no quotes.

If the screen goes blank the server is listening to port 119 (news
default port). If you are on windows 7 you might see telnet is not a
recognised program/batch blah blah. In Control Panel, Programs and
Features, Turn Windows Features on or off. Select Telnet Client, ensure
it is ticked.

This will only work for Telstra customers as all traffic originating
outside of their network, aimed at the server, will automatically be
rejected.

It says could not open connection to the host on port 119
Presumably this means it is not working but would it not also mean that
it exists but not working as I assumed when I pinged it

Yeah unfortunately it doesn't tell you much. It confirms that you cannot
connect to it on the most basic level which saves any mucking around
with different newsreaders ect, this is now pointless.

Have you tried, telnet news-server.bigpond.net.au 119 ????

It seems that since my last post news.bigpond.com is now invalid.
However news-server.bigpond.net.au still resolves. Previously they both
pointed to the same IP.

 

[F Murtz]

mark_ae86 wrote:

On 2/05/2013 6:32 PM, F Murtz wrote:
mark_ae86 wrote:
On 29/04/2013 3:48 PM, atec77 wrote:
On 29/04/2013 2:17 PM, F Murtz wrote:
I have just recieved an email from bigpond giving detailed
instructions
on how to connect to bigpond ng so it appears that the stories on its
demise are exagerated. I would post the email but it has an
instruction
not to repost.
I still can not recieve it but that is probably a problem between
seamonkey, my modem and bigpond server,I think it needs my password
but
I can not figure a way to make it ask for it.
If you can't ping the server then it doesn't actually exist ?


This is just flat out wrong. Most servers will drop IGMP packets (PING
requests) its means nothing. And before you say it, trace route uses
IGMP and will also drop the packets despite recording the first few
hops.

The only way to know if the server is alive is to telnet. Open command
prompt and type, "telnet news.bigpond.com 119" no quotes.

If the screen goes blank the server is listening to port 119 (news
default port). If you are on windows 7 you might see telnet is not a
recognised program/batch blah blah. In Control Panel, Programs and
Features, Turn Windows Features on or off. Select Telnet Client, ensure
it is ticked.

This will only work for Telstra customers as all traffic originating
outside of their network, aimed at the server, will automatically be
rejected.

It says could not open connection to the host on port 119
Presumably this means it is not working but would it not also mean that
it exists but not working as I assumed when I pinged it

Yeah unfortunately it doesn't tell you much. It confirms that you cannot
connect to it on the most basic level which saves any mucking around
with different newsreaders ect, this is now pointless.

Have you tried, telnet news-server.bigpond.net.au 119 ????

It seems that since my last post news.bigpond.com is now invalid.
However news-server.bigpond.net.au still resolves. Previously they both
pointed to the same IP.




Just tried that again, could not open, connect failed

I have a case number with telstra over this issue but in the beginning I
was not sure whose fault it was then also on one occasion telstra logged
into my computer and fiddled after which the usenet worked but that was
a while ago for the last three weeks or more It has not but now I am
convinced it is their server. Their tech team sent me an email a week or
two ago in great detail explaining how to connect, so at least those
techs think it is working. I am not the only one who got the email.
You would think that anyone with even a vestage of nouse would check
their own server when they get a rash of emails that people can not connect
I am still waiting for an answer from my case manager, at which time I
will tell them that it is their problem I no longer think my end has
anything to do with it, either fix it or tell their subscribers that
they no longer provide the service.

 

[David Barnett]

In article <kma912$84p$1@dont-email.me>,
haggisz@hotmail.com says...

As you are successfully posting here with some news
server, why are you trying so hard with Big Pond?

Even if they resumed their service, I would not bother.

--
David Barnett

 

[F Murtz]

David Barnett wrote:

In article <kma912$84p$1@dont-email.me>,
haggisz@hotmail.com says...

As you are successfully posting here with some news
server, why are you trying so hard with Big Pond?

Even if they resumed their service, I would not bother.

Because eternal does not have binaries and telstra carries groups that

others dont.and I pay 80 or 90 dollars a month for a bundle for slowed
down broadband and a phone with all calls timed and use usenet more than
anything else. Usenet would be a deal breaker IF I had a choice which
provider to use which I don't.

 

[Don McKenzie]

On 29-Apr-13 4:22 PM, F Murtz wrote:

atec77 wrote:
On 29/04/2013 2:17 PM, F Murtz wrote:
I have just recieved an email from bigpond giving detailed instructions
on how to connect to bigpond ng so it appears that the stories on its
demise are exagerated. I would post the email but it has an instruction
not to repost.
I still can not recieve it but that is probably a problem between
seamonkey, my modem and bigpond server,I think it needs my password but
I can not figure a way to make it ask for it.
If you can't ping the server then it doesn't actually exist ?

It was a detailed email in response to my email to tech dept about problems with access to NG.
The answer suggests it still exists.

Suggestion of existence may be a slight exaggeration


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[David Barnett]

In article <kmdh31$hrm$1@dont-email.me>,
haggisz@hotmail.com says...

David Barnett wrote:
In article <kma912$84p$1@dont-email.me>,
haggisz@hotmail.com says...

As you are successfully posting here with some news
server, why are you trying so hard with Big Pond?

Even if they resumed their service, I would not bother.

Because eternal does not have binaries and telstra carries groups that
others dont.and I pay 80 or 90 dollars a month for a bundle for slowed
down broadband and a phone with all calls timed and use usenet more than
anything else. Usenet would be a deal breaker IF I had a choice which
provider to use which I don't.

Fair enough.

--
David Barnett