PRC as a amplifier in GPS question.

[Rod Speed]

"Damian" <damian_andrews75@yahoo.com.au> wrote in message
news:ld9m6q$boo$1@dont-email.me...

This is the battery that's suppose to replace the ancient Lead Acid
battery.
But, with a pretty nice price tag.

http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/12-Volt-200Ah-Lithium-Ion-Battery-/111272634127

Of course the AHs & CCAs come with that battery is bit of an overkill for
many cars out there.

The weight is surprisingly not that great. It's still heavy.

And the three year warranty is bull, comparing to the price.

Below one is the standard car battery. Weight ain't bad, but it aint'
super light weight.

http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/12-Volt-100Ah-Lithium-Ion-Battery-/111272633806?pt=AU_Electronics_Batteries_Chargers&hash=item19e85da5ce


Wonder, how long do we have to wait for the prices to drop?!?!?!?!

Forever to get anywhere near what a lead acid battery of the same capacity
costs.

 

[lindsay]

On 10/02/2014 3:56 PM, Damian wrote:

This is the battery that's suppose to replace the ancient Lead Acid battery.
But, with a pretty nice price tag.

http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/12-Volt-200Ah-Lithium-Ion-Battery-/111272634127

Of course the AHs & CCAs come with that battery is bit of an overkill for
many cars out there.

And so is the size.... 550 mm long for starters...

> The weight is surprisingly not that great. It's still heavy.

What, @ 35 kg, it's 1/2 the weight of a SLA battery with the same or
worse credentials...

> And the three year warranty is bull, comparing to the price.

I'd imagine it has a 10 year life span, like 12v sla batteries. but no
sla batteries have offered anything more than 26 months warranty that
I've seen. Having said that, I'll never pay $2200 for one, when I can
get 4 quality 200AH sla batteries for the same money or less..

Below one is the standard car battery. Weight ain't bad, but it aint' super
light weight.

Have you carried a 67kg sla or Agm battery? Li-ion are lightweight,
which is one of their biggest selling points.

http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/12-Volt-100Ah-Lithium-Ion-Battery-/111272633806?pt=AU_Electronics_Batteries_Chargers&hash=item19e85da5ce

Wonder, how long do we have to wait for the prices to drop?!?!?!?!

The faster the better, afaic.

 

[Trevor Wilson]

On 11/02/2014 12:26 AM, pedro1492@lycos.com wrote:

On Monday, February 10, 2014 4:52:57 PM UTC+8, Rod Speed wrote:

Forever to get anywhere near what a lead acid battery of the same capacity
costs.

There is a probably a market for it anyway. Batteries are usually in front
of front axle, and if you can halve their weight, that will improve the
car's handling (at least to revheads who spend thousands on modifying
what was already a "sports car")

**Correct. Cars like the McLaren F1 used heroic efforts to reduce mass.
Even the sound system was specially designed to suit McLaren's demands
to reduce mass. Given the price of McLarens, Ferraris and LFXs, an extra
couple of grand is small potatoes, if a few tens of kgs can be
eliminated. With high performance autos, everything is cumulative. A few
kgs here and there, means more mass can be shaved off the suspension,
drive train, etc. 100kg mass reduction could mean 0.5 seconds off the
0-100kph time. That will translate to more sales. Moreover, whatever
Ferrari, et al do, usually finds it's way into a Ford Focus within a
decade or so.

--
Trevor Wilson www.rageaudio.com.au

 

[Sylvia Else]

On 10/02/2014 8:08 PM, lindsay wrote:

On 10/02/2014 3:56 PM, Damian wrote:
This is the battery that's suppose to replace the ancient Lead Acid
battery.
But, with a pretty nice price tag.

http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/12-Volt-200Ah-Lithium-Ion-Battery-/111272634127


Of course the AHs & CCAs come with that battery is bit of an overkill for
many cars out there.

And so is the size.... 550 mm long for starters...

The weight is surprisingly not that great. It's still heavy.

What, @ 35 kg, it's 1/2 the weight of a SLA battery with the same or
worse credentials...

And the three year warranty is bull, comparing to the price.

I'd imagine it has a 10 year life span, like 12v sla batteries. but no
sla batteries have offered anything more than 26 months warranty that
I've seen. Having said that, I'll never pay $2200 for one, when I can
get 4 quality 200AH sla batteries for the same money or less..

Below one is the standard car battery. Weight ain't bad, but it aint'
super
light weight.

Have you carried a 67kg sla or Agm battery? Li-ion are lightweight,
which is one of their biggest selling points.

http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/12-Volt-100Ah-Lithium-Ion-Battery-/111272633806?pt=AU_Electronics_Batteries_Chargers&hash=item19e85da5ce


Wonder, how long do we have to wait for the prices to drop?!?!?!?!

The faster the better, afaic.

Given that even Boeing was unable to source LiIon batteries that
wouldn't catch fire, I'd be very wary.

Sylvia.

 

[Damian]

"Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:blribfFl5q7U1@mid.individual.net...

"Damian" <damian_andrews75@yahoo.com.au> wrote in message
news:ld9m6q$boo$1@dont-email.me...
This is the battery that's suppose to replace the ancient Lead Acid
battery.
But, with a pretty nice price tag.

http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/12-Volt-200Ah-Lithium-Ion-Battery-/111272634127

Of course the AHs & CCAs come with that battery is bit of an overkill for
many cars out there.

The weight is surprisingly not that great. It's still heavy.

And the three year warranty is bull, comparing to the price.

Below one is the standard car battery. Weight ain't bad, but it aint'
super light weight.

http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/12-Volt-100Ah-Lithium-Ion-Battery-/111272633806?pt=AU_Electronics_Batteries_Chargers&hash=item19e85da5ce


Wonder, how long do we have to wait for the prices to drop?!?!?!?!

Forever to get anywhere near what a lead acid battery of the same capacity
costs.

Come on man. Just start being positive, at least for once. After all, it'g
gonna happen in your lifetime.
Wait and see.

 

[jonz]

On 2/12/2014 1:44 PM, Damian wrote:

"Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:blribfFl5q7U1@mid.individual.net...


"Damian" <damian_andrews75@yahoo.com.au> wrote in message
news:ld9m6q$boo$1@dont-email.me...
This is the battery that's suppose to replace the ancient Lead Acid
battery.
But, with a pretty nice price tag.

http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/12-Volt-200Ah-Lithium-Ion-Battery-/111272634127

Of course the AHs & CCAs come with that battery is bit of an overkill for
many cars out there.

The weight is surprisingly not that great. It's still heavy.

And the three year warranty is bull, comparing to the price.

Below one is the standard car battery. Weight ain't bad, but it aint'
super light weight.

http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/12-Volt-100Ah-Lithium-Ion-Battery-/111272633806?pt=AU_Electronics_Batteries_Chargers&hash=item19e85da5ce


Wonder, how long do we have to wait for the prices to drop?!?!?!?!

Forever to get anywhere near what a lead acid battery of the same capacity
costs.
Come on man. Just start being positive, at least for once. After all, it'g
gonna happen in your lifetime.
Wait and see.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Is that a battery joke...

--
“Usenet is like a herd of performing elephants with diarrhea- massive,
difficult to redirect, awe-inspiring, entertaining, and a source of mind
boggling amounts of excrement when you least expect it”

 

[Rod Speed]

"Damian" <damian_andrews75@yahoo.com.au> wrote in message
news:lden6o$o3g$1@dont-email.me...

"Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:blribfFl5q7U1@mid.individual.net...


"Damian" <damian_andrews75@yahoo.com.au> wrote in message
news:ld9m6q$boo$1@dont-email.me...
This is the battery that's suppose to replace the ancient Lead Acid
battery.
But, with a pretty nice price tag.

http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/12-Volt-200Ah-Lithium-Ion-Battery-/111272634127

Of course the AHs & CCAs come with that battery is bit of an overkill
for many cars out there.

The weight is surprisingly not that great. It's still heavy.

And the three year warranty is bull, comparing to the price.

Below one is the standard car battery. Weight ain't bad, but it aint'
super light weight.

http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/12-Volt-100Ah-Lithium-Ion-Battery-/111272633806?pt=AU_Electronics_Batteries_Chargers&hash=item19e85da5ce


Wonder, how long do we have to wait for the prices to drop?!?!?!?!

Forever to get anywhere near what a lead acid battery of the same
capacity costs.

Come on man. Just start being positive, at least for once.

No point, makes a lot more sense to be realistic instead.

> After all, it'g gonna happen in your lifetime.

Not a chance.

> Wait and see.

I've waited and seen since before you were even born thanks.

 

[Petzl]

On Wed, 12 Feb 2014 13:44:36 +1100, "Damian"
<damian_andrews75@yahoo.com.au> wrote:

http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/12-Volt-100Ah-Lithium-Ion-Battery-/111272633806?pt=AU_Electronics_Batteries_Chargers&hash=item19e85da5ce


Wonder, how long do we have to wait for the prices to drop?!?!?!?!

Forever to get anywhere near what a lead acid battery of the same capacity
costs.
Come on man. Just start being positive, at least for once. After all, it'g
gonna happen in your lifetime.
Wait and see.

ALDI are flogging Lithium Ion garden machines this Saturday
https://www.aldi.com.au/en/special-buys/saturday-15-february-2014/
--
Petzl
I started with nothing and I am proud to say I still have most of it left

 

[Damian]

"jonz" <Dunno@why.i.bother> wrote in message
news:ldenv9$qsd$3@dont-email.me...

On 2/12/2014 1:44 PM, Damian wrote:
"Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:blribfFl5q7U1@mid.individual.net...


"Damian" <damian_andrews75@yahoo.com.au> wrote in message
news:ld9m6q$boo$1@dont-email.me...
This is the battery that's suppose to replace the ancient Lead Acid
battery.
But, with a pretty nice price tag.

http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/12-Volt-200Ah-Lithium-Ion-Battery-/111272634127

Of course the AHs & CCAs come with that battery is bit of an overkill
for
many cars out there.

The weight is surprisingly not that great. It's still heavy.

And the three year warranty is bull, comparing to the price.

Below one is the standard car battery. Weight ain't bad, but it aint'
super light weight.

http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/12-Volt-100Ah-Lithium-Ion-Battery-/111272633806?pt=AU_Electronics_Batteries_Chargers&hash=item19e85da5ce


Wonder, how long do we have to wait for the prices to drop?!?!?!?!

Forever to get anywhere near what a lead acid battery of the same
capacity
costs.
Come on man. Just start being positive, at least for once. After all,
it'g
gonna happen in your lifetime.
Wait and see.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Is that a battery joke...

Absolutely!

 

[atec77]

On 12/02/2014 3:29 PM, Rod Speed wrote:

"Damian" <damian_andrews75@yahoo.com.au> wrote in message

I've waited and seen since before you were even born thanks.

The big question woddles is how you see but plain darknses considering
the unlimited time you have your head firmly shoved up your own arse

--









X-No-Archive: Yes

 

[jonz]

On 2/12/2014 9:02 PM, atec77 wrote:

On 12/02/2014 3:29 PM, Rod Speed wrote:


"Damian" <damian_andrews75@yahoo.com.au> wrote in message




I've waited and seen since before you were even born thanks.

The big question woddles is how you see but plain darknses considering
the unlimited time you have your head firmly shoved up your own arse

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
<G>

--
“Usenet is like a herd of performing elephants with diarrhea- massive,
difficult to redirect, awe-inspiring, entertaining, and a source of mind
boggling amounts of excrement when you least expect it”

 

[Damian]

"lindsay" <ask.me.for.it@hornet.net.ay.you> wrote in message
news:52f89717$0$11114$c3e8da3@news.astraweb.com...

On 10/02/2014 3:56 PM, Damian wrote:
This is the battery that's suppose to replace the ancient Lead Acid
battery.
But, with a pretty nice price tag.

http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/12-Volt-200Ah-Lithium-Ion-Battery-/111272634127

Of course the AHs & CCAs come with that battery is bit of an overkill for
many cars out there.

And so is the size.... 550 mm long for starters...

The weight is surprisingly not that great. It's still heavy.

What, @ 35 kg, it's 1/2 the weight of a SLA battery with the same or worse
credentials...

Yes. Hence my argument, for the price it's not worth it.
Only Mark Webber can afford it.

And the three year warranty is bull, comparing to the price.

I'd imagine it has a 10 year life span, like 12v sla batteries.

SLA batteries with higher AHs are usually deep cycle, and good quality one
can and do last ten years with right care.
Dual purpose ones(Deep cycle +higher CCA) are the ones suitable for
automotive engine applications), or plain cranking
batteries without deep cycle capacity.
I would love to find a such a battery that cas last ten years.
In other words, dual purpose or plain old higher cca(non deep cycle)
batteries rarely last ten years, no matter how nicely you
care for them.

but no sla batteries have offered anything more than 26 months warranty
that I've seen. Having said that, I'll never pay $2200 for one, when I can
get 4 quality 200AH sla batteries for the same money or less..

Below one is the standard car battery. Weight ain't bad, but it aint'
super
light weight.

Have you carried a 67kg sla or Agm battery? Li-ion are lightweight, which
is one of their biggest selling points.

Nope. I would never buy a 200+Ah AGM battery, rather would resort to two
identical 100Ah batteries

http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/12-Volt-100Ah-Lithium-Ion-Battery-/111272633806?pt=AU_Electronics_Batteries_Chargers&hash=item19e85da5ce

Wonder, how long do we have to wait for the prices to drop?!?!?!?!

The faster the better, afaic.

Many seem to think it ain't gonna happen anytime soon.
I think otherwise.
I think next 5-10 years may make a markable difference.

 

[Damian]

"atec77" <"atec77 "@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:ldfgqq$916$2@dont-email.me...

On 12/02/2014 3:29 PM, Rod Speed wrote:


"Damian" <damian_andrews75@yahoo.com.au> wrote in message




I've waited and seen since before you were even born thanks.

The big question woddles is how you see but plain darknses considering the
unlimited time you have your head firmly shoved up your own arse

That's a good one. LMA. )

 

[Damian]

"Paul Saccani" <saccani@omen.net.au> wrote in message
news:7t3mf91r8d06us6pn0lrib53tcgoaragok@4ax.com...

On Wed, 12 Feb 2014 11:52:04 +1100, Sylvia Else
sylvia@not.at.this.address> wrote:


Given that even Boeing was unable to source LiIon batteries that
wouldn't catch fire, I'd be very wary.

Sorry Sylvia, that is not at all true. Boeing were quite able to
source Lithium Ion batteries that would not catch fire, they were not
willing to accept the weight penalty of those, and even after the
battery fires, they elected not to accept that penalty but use an
alternative means of compliance.

Personally, in my aircraft, I accept the weight penalty of batteries
that don't auto ignite and sustain combustion.
--

Paul, does this mean commercial aircrafts don't use lithium ion batteries at
all?

 

[Sylvia Else]

On 12/02/2014 10:17 PM, Damian wrote:

"Paul Saccani" <saccani@omen.net.au> wrote in message
news:7t3mf91r8d06us6pn0lrib53tcgoaragok@4ax.com...
On Wed, 12 Feb 2014 11:52:04 +1100, Sylvia Else
sylvia@not.at.this.address> wrote:


Given that even Boeing was unable to source LiIon batteries that
wouldn't catch fire, I'd be very wary.

Sorry Sylvia, that is not at all true. Boeing were quite able to
source Lithium Ion batteries that would not catch fire, they were not
willing to accept the weight penalty of those, and even after the
battery fires, they elected not to accept that penalty but use an
alternative means of compliance.

Personally, in my aircraft, I accept the weight penalty of batteries
that don't auto ignite and sustain combustion.
--

Paul, does this mean commercial aircrafts don't use lithium ion batteries at
all?

Boeing have addressed the problem by redesigning the battery containment
so that the aircraft allegedly remains safe *even if* the battery
catches fire.

Sylvia.

 

[Sylvia Else]

"Paul Saccani" <saccani@omen.net.au> wrote in message
news:7t3mf91r8d06us6pn0lrib53tcgoaragok@4ax.com...
On Wed, 12 Feb 2014 11:52:04 +1100, Sylvia Else
sylvia@not.at.this.address> wrote:


Given that even Boeing was unable to source LiIon batteries that
wouldn't catch fire, I'd be very wary.

Sorry Sylvia, that is not at all true. Boeing were quite able to
source Lithium Ion batteries that would not catch fire, they were not
willing to accept the weight penalty of those, and even after the
battery fires, they elected not to accept that penalty but use an
alternative means of compliance.

For some reason, I can't see Paul's original posting.

Paul, I don't see how you can ever be sure in the case if LiIon
batteries. The chemistry is inherently dangerous, and is kept in check
only by electronics that is intended to prevent the cells from reaching
the point where they will ignite. Clearly, there have been a number of
failures in the design of the electronics, even with companies that
might be assumed to be competent in this area.

Sylvia.

 

[D Walford]

On 12/02/2014 10:53 PM, Sylvia Else wrote:

"Paul Saccani" <saccani@omen.net.au> wrote in message
news:7t3mf91r8d06us6pn0lrib53tcgoaragok@4ax.com...
On Wed, 12 Feb 2014 11:52:04 +1100, Sylvia Else
sylvia@not.at.this.address> wrote:


Given that even Boeing was unable to source LiIon batteries that
wouldn't catch fire, I'd be very wary.

Sorry Sylvia, that is not at all true. Boeing were quite able to
source Lithium Ion batteries that would not catch fire, they were not
willing to accept the weight penalty of those, and even after the
battery fires, they elected not to accept that penalty but use an
alternative means of compliance.

For some reason, I can't see Paul's original posting.

Paul, I don't see how you can ever be sure in the case if LiIon
batteries. The chemistry is inherently dangerous, and is kept in check
only by electronics that is intended to prevent the cells from reaching
the point where they will ignite. Clearly, there have been a number of
failures in the design of the electronics, even with companies that
might be assumed to be competent in this area.

Funny how Lithium batteries of various types have been used in model car
and aircraft for years and there is nothing dangerous about them unless
they are deliberately mistreated.
I've got lots of them here and never had the slightest problem with any
of them, all of our 6 RC helis use them and despite numerous crashes we
have had no battery problems.
Maybe Boeing should consult the hobby industry to look for someone that
has a clue


--
Daryl

 

[Sylvia Else]

On 12/02/2014 11:02 PM, D Walford wrote:

On 12/02/2014 10:53 PM, Sylvia Else wrote:

"Paul Saccani" <saccani@omen.net.au> wrote in message
news:7t3mf91r8d06us6pn0lrib53tcgoaragok@4ax.com...
On Wed, 12 Feb 2014 11:52:04 +1100, Sylvia Else
sylvia@not.at.this.address> wrote:


Given that even Boeing was unable to source LiIon batteries that
wouldn't catch fire, I'd be very wary.

Sorry Sylvia, that is not at all true. Boeing were quite able to
source Lithium Ion batteries that would not catch fire, they were not
willing to accept the weight penalty of those, and even after the
battery fires, they elected not to accept that penalty but use an
alternative means of compliance.

For some reason, I can't see Paul's original posting.

Paul, I don't see how you can ever be sure in the case if LiIon
batteries. The chemistry is inherently dangerous, and is kept in check
only by electronics that is intended to prevent the cells from reaching
the point where they will ignite. Clearly, there have been a number of
failures in the design of the electronics, even with companies that
might be assumed to be competent in this area.


Funny how Lithium batteries of various types have been used in model car
and aircraft for years and there is nothing dangerous about them unless
they are deliberately mistreated.
I've got lots of them here and never had the slightest problem with any
of them, all of our 6 RC helis use them and despite numerous crashes we
have had no battery problems.
Maybe Boeing should consult the hobby industry to look for someone that
has a clue

How a Boeing aircraft got into strife so quickly is troubling.

Statistically, the vast majority of these batteries never catch fire
before they wear out, so the fact that you haven't seen any do it
doesn't say very much. But a quick search will show that LiIon batteries
do catch fire from time to time.

Sylvia.

 

[Blue Heeler]

D Walford wrote:

Funny how Lithium batteries of various types have been used in model
car and aircraft for years and there is nothing dangerous about them
unless they are deliberately mistreated.

Not so.

I use Lithium battery packs to run HID lights on my bicycle. The
Chinese cheapies last about as long in serfvice as "good' battery packs
that cost nearly 5 times as much.

The difference is the protection circuitry.

I have had one of the "cheap-n-cheerfuls" go up on me and have formed
the view that lithium battery packs should be charged only while
sitting in a metal bucket full of fine sand. Bear in mind you are
talking about a battery pack not much bigger than a dolphin torch
battery that I am pretty sure would have sufficient energy to start a
car.

 

[Damian]

"Sylvia Else" <sylvia@not.at.this.address> wrote in message
news:bm15maFr9huU1@mid.individual.net...

"Paul Saccani" <saccani@omen.net.au> wrote in message
news:7t3mf91r8d06us6pn0lrib53tcgoaragok@4ax.com...
On Wed, 12 Feb 2014 11:52:04 +1100, Sylvia Else
sylvia@not.at.this.address> wrote:


Given that even Boeing was unable to source LiIon batteries that
wouldn't catch fire, I'd be very wary.

Sorry Sylvia, that is not at all true. Boeing were quite able to
source Lithium Ion batteries that would not catch fire, they were not
willing to accept the weight penalty of those, and even after the
battery fires, they elected not to accept that penalty but use an
alternative means of compliance.

For some reason, I can't see Paul's original posting.

It's in aus.cars.

Paul, I don't see how you can ever be sure in the case if LiIon batteries.
The chemistry is inherently dangerous, and is kept in check only by
electronics that is intended to prevent the cells from reaching the point
where they will ignite. Clearly, there have been a number of failures in
the design of the electronics, even with companies that might be assumed
to be competent in this area.

Sylvia.