PRC as a amplifier in GPS question.

[Horace Wachope .]

On Fri, 06 Jan 2006 10:08:15 +1100, David Johnson wrote:

On Wed, 04 Jan 2006 21:59:29 +1030, sijay <sijay@bean.net> wrote:

mark_newton wrote:
pedro wrote:

This idea that Howard is deliberately and maliciously screwing
the 'little people' is a nonsense. Why would he do, or even want
to do, such a thing? What would he hope to gain by it. How could
it benefit him, the Libs, or the country as a whole.

You're joking, yeah?

Lower wages > greater profits > corporate gratitude > more
donations to the Liberal Party...

Wake up to yourself.

You honestly think he is that self-serving and contemptuous of the
Australian public?

Yes. There isn't a pollie who isn't.

And it wouldn't matter how much was donated to the Libs if the public
gets pissed off and votes him out of office.

Big if. If the majority of voters think* as you do...

* I use that term loosely.

Huh? Its a bloody democracy? If IR doesnt work by the next election
Australians will vote his ass out, you dont need to be bloody laurie
oakes to see that coming? All the smear campaigns and multi million
dollar advertising wont save the liberals there - so surely you have to
concede that somewhere in all the policy the Libs think this is good for
the country as a whole?

Do you really think he cares? He will retire just before the next
election and leave Costello to take the fall for the IR reforms.

That wasn't the question. "Surely you have to concede that somewhere in
all the policy THE LIBS think this is good for the country as a whole?"

 

[Parmin]

OMG
its the 6th of January.. and I have not leave Sydney

I must be dead

 

[Arfur Moo]

On Fri 6 Jan 2006 at 10:08:15 +1100 in
<tk9rr1dc47qugmoiq14jltts16aubbo5o8@4ax.com> David Johnson
<usenet@trainman.id.au> wrote this about John Howard:

He will retire just before the next election and leave Costello to take
the fall for the IR reforms.

David, you've done precisely what Winston the Wrecker and Peter the Pharisee
want us all to do: You've failed to put quotemarks around the noun that the
scribes of the feral government are amused to use after "IR".

--
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[Rifty]

sijay <sijay@bean.net> wrote:

so surely you have to
concede that somewhere in all the policy the Libs think this is good for
the country as a whole?

A few of the dopey ones, yes. If you heard the backbench chatter on the
Govt side you'd quickly conclude that the only thing that really matters
are the interests of (a) the local member's chances of of re-election
and (v) the interests of the Government parties. And yes, it's pretty
much the same on the other side of politics, so I ain't holding a candle
for them either.

Rifty
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[two bob]

That wasn't the question. "Surely you have to concede that somewhere in
all the policy THE LIBS think this is good for the country as a whole?"

The gov, mainly libs, mainly consider the voters who pay the largest amount
of tax. The little people only add a pittance to the treasury, so they have
little say in the running of this country. This IR reform (?) will help the
rich get richer, hence, pay more taxes. Therefore it is good for the
treasury. If the working class man gets better wages, he would be paying
extra taxes in the order of a few dollars. When the richer classes earn more
income, they pay in the order of thousand (or even millions) extra. Do the
math.
We need a new gov. Unfortunately, it would be a sideways step at the moment,
but it would be a wake up call.

 

[Mr.T]

"two bob" <tb@department9.com.au> wrote in message
news:43c4dea7_1@news.iprimus.com.au...

The gov, mainly libs, mainly consider the voters who pay the largest
amount
of tax.

No, just those who pay the largest amount of Liberal campaign donations (or
other services rendered like free publicity)
Kerry Packer was quite clear about how little tax he paid, and how poorly
the government speant it. He still had had a hot line to JWH's ear.

The little people only add a pittance to the treasury, so they have
little say in the running of this country.

Especially when they vote Liberal anyway.

This IR reform (?) will help the
rich get richer, hence, pay more taxes. Therefore it is good for the
treasury. If the working class man gets better wages, he would be paying
extra taxes in the order of a few dollars. When the richer classes earn
more
income, they pay in the order of thousand (or even millions) extra. Do the
math.

So you think giving the rich, and especially large corporations big tax cus
every year, whilst giving NO tax cuts to the lowest income earners,
increases the tax income?
Fortunately the government already have too much tax revenue now that they
own no utilities and provide very little in the way of services, like health
and education etc.

In fact it is pretty easy to argue we have never got so little benefit for
so much tax paid!
(including the GST and all the other taxes, levies, duties, surcharges etc.
that people seem to forget about when talking tax).

MrT.

 

[Jordan]

Yes, it's a very sensitive radiation detector!

I've seen a circuit where 555 is used to drive a Tesla coil - frustrating.

Thanks
Jordan

Professor wrote:

OK... wow... maybe the Russians can shut down the Russian "Woodpecker"
and just have you fire up that magneto... to jam radio stations... LOL

Professor
www.telstar-electronics.com

 

[pedro]

two bob wrote:

That wasn't the question. "Surely you have to concede that somewhere in
all the policy THE LIBS think this is good for the country as a whole?"



The gov, mainly libs, mainly consider the voters who pay the largest amount
of tax. The little people only add a pittance to the treasury, so they have
little say in the running of this country. This IR reform (?) will help the
rich get richer, hence, pay more taxes. Therefore it is good for the
treasury. If the working class man gets better wages, he would be paying
extra taxes in the order of a few dollars. When the richer classes earn more
income, they pay in the order of thousand (or even millions) extra. Do the
math.
We need a new gov. Unfortunately, it would be a sideways step at the moment,
but it would be a wake up call.

That's rubbish. The rich always have ways and means to minimize their
tax. Same with big corporations. And there are very few rich taxpayers
anyway compared to the millions of lower and middle income earners. A
small increase in tax times millions is much more tax than the few rich
paying more, even much more. Why do you think the govt loves bracket
creep so much. The government always has a vested interest in ensuring
the welfare and full employment of the working class. 1/ it translates
to votes, 2/ it increases the tax base, 3/ it saves on welfare, and 4/
to some extent it reduces the load on the health system if they can then
afford private health care.


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[two bob]

Get real. At the moment howard has a perfect opportunity to do as he
pleases, he has absolutely no opposition. As long as labour sits back and
does nothing to give them the title "opposition" howard is bullet proof.
We
need to have a labour party that can give us something to vote for or
else
howard has got almost a dictatorship.

Almost?

Unfortunately, the Australian public
have a short memory and a total lack of backbone to stand up to the thugs
in
Canberra. We should look to other countries and see what the public there
does when the govnmt tries to shit on them.

I suppose you are going to suggest the USA?
No wait, that can't be it, we DO follow them on everything it seems.

True, we do follow them in most things but the good things. When they do
things well, we dont follow, when they do things bad, we follow like blind
sheep.

 

[two bob]

Get real. At the moment howard has a perfect opportunity to do as he
pleases, he has absolutely no opposition. As long as labour sits back and
does nothing to give them the title "opposition" howard is bullet proof.
We need to have a labour party that can give us something to vote for or
else howard has got almost a dictatorship. Unfortunately, the Australian
public have a short memory and a total lack of backbone to stand up to the
thugs in Canberra. We should look to other countries and see what the
public there does when the govnmt tries to shit on them.



It's you who is unrealistic in being so cynical as to think that we have a
government who is laughing at the Australian public, and a public too
stupid to vote a bad government out of office. We got rid of Hawke and
Keating didn't we. Admittedly it took a while for that to happen. I guess
that the voting public is a bit slow to react. But not always. Kennett got
a hell of a shock, didn't he.

A good example of short memory is that keating lost power due to the fact he
wanted to introduce gst. Howard introduced it in his second term even though
he didnt get a majority vote.

 

[pedro]

artie morty wrote:

On Thu, 12 Jan 2006 04:09:31 GMT, pedro <pedro@nowhere.com> wrote:



two bob wrote:




That wasn't the question. "Surely you have to concede that somewhere in
all the policy THE LIBS think this is good for the country as a whole?"




The gov, mainly libs, mainly consider the voters who pay the largest amount
of tax. The little people only add a pittance to the treasury, so they have
little say in the running of this country. This IR reform (?) will help the
rich get richer, hence, pay more taxes. Therefore it is good for the
treasury. If the working class man gets better wages, he would be paying
extra taxes in the order of a few dollars. When the richer classes earn more
income, they pay in the order of thousand (or even millions) extra. Do the
math.
We need a new gov. Unfortunately, it would be a sideways step at the moment,
but it would be a wake up call.





That's rubbish. The rich always have ways and means to minimize their
tax. Same with big corporations. And there are very few rich taxpayers
anyway compared to the millions of lower and middle income earners. A
small increase in tax times millions is much more tax than the few rich
paying more, even much more. Why do you think the govt loves bracket
creep so much. The government always has a vested interest in ensuring
the welfare and full employment of the working class. 1/ it translates
to votes, 2/ it increases the tax base, 3/ it saves on welfare, and 4/
to some extent it reduces the load on the health system if they can then
afford private health care.




Kerry Packer must have been the utlimate for anyone slagging off about
the rich not paying tax.

As you have said, he had the means of tax reduction, as most wealthy
people have.

Actually I was thinking of him when I wrote it.

But Mr Packers organisation employed many thousands of people and
created endless amounts of wealth for others, who all paid tax to the
general coffers.

So in a sense, if you follow the chain - Mr Packer generated a huge
amount of tax revenue, jobs etc, that the government takes credit for
in a GDT in the black.

Remember - the government doesn't generate tax - they collect it from
the poor schmuck in the street who works his guts out for a living.

And the government doesn't make jobs - its is guys like Mr Packer who
take the risks and generates business to create employment, and it is
everyday folks who do the daily grind to keep the whole system
running.

The government simply print a good unemployment figure and take credit
for job creation.

So if you look at what businessmen like Mr Packer have generated for
the country, they are an integral part of the economy, and even though
they do minimise their own tax, probably deserve a lot more thanks
than they actually get.

Yes, good point there re the wealthy creating tax revenue.

Cheers
Artie.

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[Mr.T]

"artie morty" <artiemorty@yahoo.com.au> wrote in message
news:u67cs1hpae16htn6ukvf0gtqfqkhi4bqbp@4ax.com...

But Mr Packers organisation employed many thousands of people and
created endless amounts of wealth for others, who all paid tax to the
general coffers.

So in a sense, if you follow the chain - Mr Packer generated a huge
amount of tax revenue, jobs etc, that the government takes credit for
in a GDT in the black.

So if you look at what businessmen like Mr Packer have generated for
the country, they are an integral part of the economy, and even though
they do minimise their own tax, probably deserve a lot more thanks
than they actually get.

Interesting argument, which fails to realise that private corporations are
in the business of *minimizing* their employees as well.
Take Telstra for example, there are now 30,000 LESS employees paying tax
than a few years ago. However the annual profit is about the same. Who has
benefited (other than the CEO's!), certainly not the shareholders, or the
taxpayers, or the ex-employees. And the *rate of reduction* in prices due to
improving technology is now LESS than it once was. The continued excessive
charges for mobile phone calls despite rapidly reducing costs are a good
example of this.

Another example would be the Banks (including the Commonwealth) They are
*NOT* in the business of creating jobs and taxpayers, but destroying them!
(at least the shareholders have gained something in that case, even if the
poor customers haven't)

To make it more relevant, compare the ABC with channel nine. Which one
actually trains staff and creates new jobs, even on a miniscule budget by
comparison.

IMO the world would be far better off without the Packers and Murdoch's.

MrT.

 

[Mr.T]

"artie morty" <artiemorty@yahoo.com.au> wrote in message
news:sk2fs11cqgdj36opba8li7vidtq6ha3gak@4ax.com...

Telstra is being minimised by the government prior to a share float.

It has been going on since before the first float, but yes so what? The fact
remains nothing has been gained by anyone other than the CEO's.

The banks have to compete on a global scale with deregulation - they
either maximise profit on fail.

Which of course was unnecessary for the Commonwealth bank before it was
sold. That is the reason it was started in the first place. It could run
quite happily with more staff, better service, lower charges, and still make
a small profit.

If you want to blame someone - blame government policy that leaves no
protection for the simple man in the steet, and allows big business
like the banks to exploit him with little or no moral consequence.

It's bloody Kerry Packer (well not Kerry himself anymore) and his big
corporation types that control the government policy! Who do you think was
pushing for IR reform, and more tax cuts aimed only at the rich, whilst the
lowest tax threshold has not changed in many years. And a raft of flat taxes
like the GST have been introduced to hit the poor. Why do you think company
tax is lower than what most PAYE earners pay.

But don't blame the Kerry Packer types just because they are
successful.

I don't, I blame him for *how* he became successful.

Think of what it would be like without financial innovators like him -
do you really think we would be better off?

Yep.

I do however agree with you on Murdock - what a financial and
capitalistic sleeze bag.

Peas in a pod.

MrT.

 

[The Real Andy]

On Wed, 15 Feb 2006 00:29:47 +1100, "Phil Allison"
<philallison@tpg.com.au> wrote:

"The Real Andy"

= a Drunk as a Skunk Cunthead

Yawn.... Get some new lines.

** I know where you work - you fucking alcoholic idiot.

How about I speak to your employer and get you dismissed ?


Dismissed for what? Proving you are an idiot? Pffft. By the way, i
work for myself now.



** So your long suffering employers at " Jupiters Technology " in
Brisbane OBVIOUSLY had had a massive, fucking gutful of your
fuckhead drunk behaviour while at work.

YAwn. ....

They were bought by Tabcorp and I gleefully tooked a cashed up
redundancy. I could understand that you lack the intellectual
capability of following large business trends. The Tabcorp merger was
quite big news when it happened 3-4 years ago. You were probably
chockers up your 90 year old land-lord at the time, whilst dreaming
about being a roadie again.

Not to mention the fact you are a dumb as fucking dog shit
*electrician puke* pretending to be an " ingineuer ".

YAwn... Actually, pretending to be a programmer these days. Dumb as,
yet I still earn more money in an hour than you do in a week. Who is
the stupid one? The one who got kicked out of uni, and is now living
in a one bedroom flat in the sydney slums, replacing fuses in toy DMX
controllers whilst chocking the land lord for rent?

So they finally woke up an gave you the BOOT !!!

Esentially, yes.

ROTFL

How time wounds all heels !!!

Speaking from experience?

........ Phil

Andy.

 

[The Real Andy]

On Wed, 15 Feb 2006 08:56:35 +1100, "Phil Allison"
<philallison@tpg.com.au> wrote:

"Andrew Pearson"

= a lying, alcoholic fuckwit


** So your long suffering employers at " Jupiters Technology " in
Brisbane OBVIOUSLY had had a massive, fucking gutful of your
fuckhead drunk behaviour while at work.

Not to mention the fact you are a dumb as fucking dog shit
*electrician puke* pretending to be an " ingineuer ".

So they finally woke up an gave you the BOOT !!!

ROTFL

How time wounds all heels !!!




........ Phil

Yawn.... You need some new lines Rod Speed

 

[Alan Erskine]

Can anyone speak French? http://www.neuf.fr/home/401.html Where is the
'contact' or 'complaints' page?

--
Alan Erskine
Alanerskine1@bigpond.com

 

[Rainbow Warrior]

Stop responding to people responding to the troll.

"B J Foster" <bjfoster@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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Stop responding to the troll

Sunny wrote:
"Jean-Paul Turd" <xyz@atlante.edu> wrote in message
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"Dumb Yank1111" <snip


You are treading on thin ice again Le Turd.
Your disruption of news groups, with your deliberate multi/cross posting,
may force you to yet another ISP

 

[Mr Black]

"B J Foster" <bjfoster@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:43f7b574$0$18699$afc38c87@news.optusnet.com.au...

Stop responding to the troll

I would love to stop responding to you, but you keep cross posting.

Everyone on these Ng's have tried not responding to him (amongst a million
other things)...its does not work...the only thing that makes him go away
for a while is his ISP booting him, thus can you please address your
concerns to his ISP and stop your own cross posting and trolling.

MrB

MrB

 

[Mr Black]

"scoot" <none@nowhere.com> wrote in message
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For goodness sake, cant you just ignore?

No you can't the guy shifts like crazy, you will block him for a week at
most.

 

[B J Foster]

Stop responding to the troll

Mr Black wrote:

"B J Foster" <bjfoster@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:43f7b574$0$18699$afc38c87@news.optusnet.com.au...

Stop responding to the troll


I would love to stop responding to you, but you keep cross posting.

Everyone on these Ng's have tried not responding to him (amongst a million
other things)...its does not work...the only thing that makes him go away
for a while is his ISP booting him, thus can you please address your
concerns to his ISP and stop your own cross posting and trolling.

MrB

MrB