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Whoey Louie wrote:
On Tuesday, August 6, 2019 at 4:30:42 PM UTC-4, Tom Del Rosso
wrote:
bitrex wrote:
A civil society will find a way to make peace with guns, and an
un-civil society will find a way to make war with knives.
The United States in aggregate tends to not be strongly one
thing or the other.
We made peace with guns even when fully automatic Tommy Guns
were legally available. All societies started making war with
whatever weapons they had access to as soon as they started
drugging up to feel better.
BS. That's why gun control was passed in the 30s, it tightly
controlled fully automatic weapons.
Only because of the mafia, and they didn't shoot random people
either. Individuals did not do mass shootings with any kind of
weapon until recently. Nobody has explained why.
bitrex <user@example.net> wrote in
news:TD33F.154157$jl6.142508@fx04.iad:
Self-reporting by the family after the fact isn't of much value I
don't think. Dysfunctional, abusive families can disguise
themselves quite well particularly if they have money to throw at
the problem.
Remember "tot mom"?
These faces seem fairly accurate of subjects of 2019 shooters.
https://www.snopes.com/tachyon/2019/08/1565040845735.jpg?resize=600,646
Greg
Read the background on that image for a reality check:
https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/mass-shooter-shooting-mugshots/
John
On Sunday, August 4, 2019 at 2:20:44 PM UTC-7, Whoey Louie wrote:
On Sunday, August 4, 2019 at 2:12:28 PM UTC-4, John Larkin wrote:
Shooters are often first-time criminals. Gangs kill rivals but don't
shoot up WalMarts for no reason.
Maybe we should look at what the El Paso guy actually said? He left
a white supremacy manifesto...
Why would his destructive (and self-destructive) actions be called 'reasoned'?
I'd discount his claim of principles, in favor of ... morbid fascination with
antipersonnel weapons.
Eric Rudolph, who bombed the Summer Olympics in 1996, also went after
an abortion clinic... he just had to bomb, no coherent reasoning required.
Any target will do for such a perpetrator.
On Sunday, August 4, 2019 at 4:28:07 PM UTC-4, John Larkin wrote:
I agree John.
Some percentage of this is likely attributable to advances in modern medicine.
Instead of locking crazy people up, where they would have no access to
guns, we put them on meds and delude ourselves into thinking they will
always be safe, productive members of society.
While I'm sure that's true in most cases, it only takes a few whack-jobs,
or folks off their meds, to account for mass-murder. And perhaps, the
meds have side effects that are even worse than being crazy. All driven by profits.
And, as a gun-owner, it pisses me off every time someone suggests we need
more or better "gun control". No we don't.
If we did, we'd confiscate everyone's automobiles too, and for the same
false premise. Some idiot runs into a school bus full of children, and
somehow taking my car is going to help fix that? (Just substitute
vehicle for gun, while simultaneously realizing that driving is a
privilege while owning a firearm is a Constitutional right!)
Yes. It is sad when bad things happen.
Maybe there are just too many damn people?
(Twice as many as when I was born -- so maybe 2X the number of incidents?)
I'm just talking out loud.... No need to fact check it.
I'll say this:
Whenever I go to Walmart, I have a Glock-19 holstered IWB at 4:30, with
one in the chamber. Maybe if more shoppers carried, we see a lot less of this shit?
They usually talk about folks being on Meds, but fail to mention
if they stopped taking them. I know for a fact that can trigger
events, perhaps worse than not taking any Meds at all.
Greg
On 8/8/19 10:22 AM, Whoey Louie wrote:
On Thursday, August 8, 2019 at 7:30:28 AM UTC-4, DecadentLinux...@decadence.org wrote:
Whoey Louie <trader4@optonline.net> wrote in news:d31800e5-0d46-4cba-
b570-7ee90e3cbc0b@googlegroups.com:
it looks like you're denying that alcohol abuse is a factor
in domestic violence. Wrong again.
You do not get it. The person's ill raised mentality is the root
cause.
As if it was that simple. Many of these shooters, maybe most, have
been raised in what appear to be normal homes. The mother of the
El Paso shooter for example says:
"Patrick's actions were apparently influenced and informed by people we do not know, and from ideas and beliefs we do not accept or condone."
"He was raised in a family that taught love, kindness, respect, and tolerance â rejecting all forms of racism, prejudice, hatred, and violence."
Well what else would the family say "he was abused constantly?"
Self-reporting by the family after the fact isn't of much value I don't
think. Dysfunctional, abusive families can disguise themselves quite
well particularly if they have money to throw at the problem.
I knew a number of guys who had pretty messed-up family life in primary
school but it only became apparent years later when they got themselves
into trouble or in happier cases they tell you at the 20 year reunion
they don't talk to their father anymore.
On Thursday, August 8, 2019 at 9:03:52 PM UTC-4, bitrex wrote:
On 8/8/19 10:22 AM, Whoey Louie wrote:
On Thursday, August 8, 2019 at 7:30:28 AM UTC-4, DecadentLinux...@decadence.org wrote:
Whoey Louie <trader4@optonline.net> wrote in news:d31800e5-0d46-4cba-
b570-7ee90e3cbc0b@googlegroups.com:
it looks like you're denying that alcohol abuse is a factor
in domestic violence. Wrong again.
You do not get it. The person's ill raised mentality is the root
cause.
As if it was that simple. Many of these shooters, maybe most, have
been raised in what appear to be normal homes. The mother of the
El Paso shooter for example says:
"Patrick's actions were apparently influenced and informed by people we do not know, and from ideas and beliefs we do not accept or condone."
"He was raised in a family that taught love, kindness, respect, and tolerance â rejecting all forms of racism, prejudice, hatred, and violence."
Well what else would the family say "he was abused constantly?"
Sure, they could be lying. You have any evidence they are? With all
the reporters digging, you'd think some stories would be coming
out by now. I haven't heard anything. And there have been plenty
of other mass shooters where there was no indications that there was
any abuse.
Self-reporting by the family after the fact isn't of much value I don't
think. Dysfunctional, abusive families can disguise themselves quite
well particularly if they have money to throw at the problem.
I knew a number of guys who had pretty messed-up family life in primary
school but it only became apparent years later when they got themselves
into trouble or in happier cases they tell you at the 20 year reunion
they don't talk to their father anymore.
I don't deny that can be an important factor, just that it's apparently
not the only factor. And there are plenty of people who grow up in less
than ideal homes who don't become violent criminals too.
Self-reporting by the family after the fact isn't of much value I don't
think. Dysfunctional, abusive families can disguise themselves quite
well particularly if they have money to throw at the problem.
I knew a number of guys who had pretty messed-up family life in primary
school but it only became apparent years later when they got themselves
into trouble or in happier cases they tell you at the 20 year reunion
they don't talk to their father anymore.
I don't deny that can be an important factor, just that it's apparently
not the only factor. And there are plenty of people who grow up in less
than ideal homes who don't become violent criminals too.
John Larkin <jlarkin@highlandSNIPMEtechnology.com> wrote in
news:7ntokedrpd8apnj1mbig2jk1rpqdtbqmoq@4ax.com:
That makes sense. Marajuana is a lot more potent than it used to
be,
You are fucking retarded. Pot did nothing EVER. It has always
been the person doing bad things.
Stop blaming drugs, you stupid shit.
And the potency claim is a fucking lie too.