Petty White Nationalists

[bitrex]

On 8/5/19 11:02 AM, John Larkin wrote:

On Sun, 4 Aug 2019 14:30:09 -0400, bitrex <user@example.net> wrote:

On 8/4/19 2:12 PM, John Larkin wrote:
On Sun, 4 Aug 2019 15:42:43 +0000 (UTC),
DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno@decadence.org wrote:

Just when you thought that Islamic terrorists were about as stupid as
it gets with their suicide attacks, we now have white supremacists
and all other manner of TrumpTarded idiots out there doing suicide
shootings.

This country does not need gun control.

We need to put gang members both black and white (and hispanic) in
prison, and the assholes who antagonize them (Donald J. Trump) as
well.

We need more prisons so that the violent offenders we put there are
not being toothpaste squoze out the back door without serving due to
overcrowding.

Shooters are often first-time criminals. Gangs kill rivals but don't
shoot up WalMarts for no reason.

But there are a couple hundred murders in St Louis every year, and the
press doesn't care. Baltimore kills 45 in some months.


We need to bring back the death penalty and actually carry the
fucking penalties out. One year of appeals and you are done.
Period.

Certain crimes should mean that the offender never gets to step
foot on free soil ever again.

Superior? These stupid, society ruining fucks are not superior even
to a freshly laid turd. Donald J. Trump included.

Someone might look for a common factor among the shooters. Video
games, too much strong weed, some other prescription or street drugs,
vaping, whatever. Some things make some people paranoid and violent.



I think the common factor is they thought society owed them something
for being white.

Except for the ones that weren't white.

I suspect some other common factor. Blaming whatever won't help.

They overwhelmingly tend to be and number of them leave behind
pre-shooting writing which speaks to their entitled mentality.

As an example:

<https://medium.com/editorials-on-current-events/i-read-the-elliot-rodger-manifesto-so-you-dont-have-to-b0b66c629ca5>

Instead of hunting zebras why not take it from the "horse's mouth" so to
speak? The guy in the example above lays out his motivations.

Ted Bundy was a sociopath who lied about everything, but these
terrorists are a different type of disordered and I think have little
motivation to confabulate, as they rarely expect to even survive.

 

[Whoey Louie]

On Monday, August 5, 2019 at 12:02:55 PM UTC-4, bitrex wrote:

On 8/5/19 11:54 AM, bitrex wrote:

I think the common factor is they thought society owed them something
for being white.

Except for the ones that weren't white.

I suspect some other common factor. Blaming whatever won't help.





They overwhelmingly tend to be and number of them leave behind
pre-shooting writing which speaks to their entitled mentality.

As an example:

https://medium.com/editorials-on-current-events/i-read-the-elliot-rodger-manifesto-so-you-dont-have-to-b0b66c629ca5


Instead of hunting zebras why not take it from the "horse's mouth" so to
speak? The guy in the example above lays out his motivations.

Ted Bundy was a sociopath who lied about everything, but these
terrorists are a different type of disordered and I think have little
motivation to confabulate, as they rarely expect to even survive.

Similarly Osama Bin Laden wrote as to the reasons for him organizing the
9/11 attacks and detailed his thoughts on the matter. And his writing
was mostly ignored, and politicians and yes, the media, tended to
confabulate some other reasons involving hating America/Americans,
hating the abstract concept of "freedom", hating Christianity, bla bla
blah.

None of which Bin Laden talked about in his own manifesto, he never
spoke to hating the American people in their entirety, or hating
"freedom" as an abstract concept.

He might not have outright stated it, but it's clear from what he
and similar muslim extremists practice that they like freedom,
unless you're doing what they demand, ie not educating children,
denying women basic rights, killing those who want to leave your
religion, death to cartoonists whose cartoons you don't like, etc.

And Bin Laden gave many different reasons for 9/11 and if those weren't
enough, he could come up with some more. It's very clear that he and
the similar muslim extremisits hate us for who we are and what we stand for.
And witness that it's not just the US that these scum have attacked,
they;ve committed terrorist attrocities around the world, against
whoever they don't like, for whatever reason.

 

[bitrex]

On 8/5/19 1:01 PM, Whoey Louie wrote:

On Monday, August 5, 2019 at 12:02:55 PM UTC-4, bitrex wrote:
On 8/5/19 11:54 AM, bitrex wrote:

I think the common factor is they thought society owed them something
for being white.

Except for the ones that weren't white.

I suspect some other common factor. Blaming whatever won't help.





They overwhelmingly tend to be and number of them leave behind
pre-shooting writing which speaks to their entitled mentality.

As an example:

https://medium.com/editorials-on-current-events/i-read-the-elliot-rodger-manifesto-so-you-dont-have-to-b0b66c629ca5


Instead of hunting zebras why not take it from the "horse's mouth" so to
speak? The guy in the example above lays out his motivations.

Ted Bundy was a sociopath who lied about everything, but these
terrorists are a different type of disordered and I think have little
motivation to confabulate, as they rarely expect to even survive.

Similarly Osama Bin Laden wrote as to the reasons for him organizing the
9/11 attacks and detailed his thoughts on the matter. And his writing
was mostly ignored, and politicians and yes, the media, tended to
confabulate some other reasons involving hating America/Americans,
hating the abstract concept of "freedom", hating Christianity, bla bla
blah.

None of which Bin Laden talked about in his own manifesto, he never
spoke to hating the American people in their entirety, or hating
"freedom" as an abstract concept.

He might not have outright stated it, but it's clear from what he
and similar muslim extremists practice that they like freedom,
unless you're doing what they demand, ie not educating children,
denying women basic rights, killing those who want to leave your
religion, death to cartoonists whose cartoons you don't like, etc.

And Bin Laden gave many different reasons for 9/11 and if those weren't
enough, he could come up with some more. It's very clear that he and
the similar muslim extremisits hate us for who we are and what we stand for.
And witness that it's not just the US that these scum have attacked,
they;ve committed terrorist attrocities around the world, against
whoever they don't like, for whatever reason.

Sure, I'm sure as an individual Bin Laden personally hated all kinds of
people and things and when his servant slave girl or whatever didn't
deliver his coffee promptly with the number of sugars he preferred.

Hate is not an uncommon emotion and in some fundamental sense all
terrorist attacks of all types are motivated by it, in the same way you
could argue that anyone who kills large numbers of innocent people is
"mentally ill" to some standard. These would seem to me like
fundamentally true statements, so fundamentally true that they say
everything and nothing at the same time.

But in the case of 9/11, particularly, there are many predominantly
white Christian countries that more-or-less have values that fall under
the heading "freedom" and "Western civilization." And Muslim extremists
have attacked those countries, too. However there were particular
reasons with respect to the 9/11 attack, which was particularly
sophisticated, planning and labor-intensive, and risky, was carried out
against the United States and not some other (logistically easier) place
like say London, Antwerp, or Oslo. I don't think it's because Osama
loved the infidels in Oslo so much better than the ones in NYC.

 

[bitrex]

On 8/5/19 1:01 PM, Whoey Louie wrote:

Similarly Osama Bin Laden wrote as to the reasons for him organizing the
9/11 attacks and detailed his thoughts on the matter. And his writing
was mostly ignored, and politicians and yes, the media, tended to
confabulate some other reasons involving hating America/Americans,
hating the abstract concept of "freedom", hating Christianity, bla bla
blah.

None of which Bin Laden talked about in his own manifesto, he never
spoke to hating the American people in their entirety, or hating
"freedom" as an abstract concept.

He might not have outright stated it, but it's clear from what he
and similar muslim extremists practice that they like freedom,
unless you're doing what they demand, ie not educating children,
denying women basic rights, killing those who want to leave your
religion, death to cartoonists whose cartoons you don't like, etc.

And Bin Laden gave many different reasons for 9/11 and if those weren't
enough, he could come up with some more. It's very clear that he and
the similar muslim extremisits hate us for who we are and what we stand for.
And witness that it's not just the US that these scum have attacked,
they;ve committed terrorist attrocities around the world, against
whoever they don't like, for whatever reason.

I think America's enemies understand pretty well that Americans tend to
underestimate them and view them as irrational, backwards animals who
never act pragmatically or with rational aims.

It's a mistake, but a la Sun Tzu one should always encourage one's
enemies to underestimate and misunderstand you. so they do.

 

[Whoey Louie]

On Monday, August 5, 2019 at 3:05:12 PM UTC-4, bitrex wrote:

On 8/5/19 1:01 PM, Whoey Louie wrote:
On Monday, August 5, 2019 at 12:02:55 PM UTC-4, bitrex wrote:
On 8/5/19 11:54 AM, bitrex wrote:

I think the common factor is they thought society owed them something
for being white.

Except for the ones that weren't white.

I suspect some other common factor. Blaming whatever won't help.





They overwhelmingly tend to be and number of them leave behind
pre-shooting writing which speaks to their entitled mentality.

As an example:

https://medium.com/editorials-on-current-events/i-read-the-elliot-rodger-manifesto-so-you-dont-have-to-b0b66c629ca5


Instead of hunting zebras why not take it from the "horse's mouth" so to
speak? The guy in the example above lays out his motivations.

Ted Bundy was a sociopath who lied about everything, but these
terrorists are a different type of disordered and I think have little
motivation to confabulate, as they rarely expect to even survive.

Similarly Osama Bin Laden wrote as to the reasons for him organizing the
9/11 attacks and detailed his thoughts on the matter. And his writing
was mostly ignored, and politicians and yes, the media, tended to
confabulate some other reasons involving hating America/Americans,
hating the abstract concept of "freedom", hating Christianity, bla bla
blah.

None of which Bin Laden talked about in his own manifesto, he never
spoke to hating the American people in their entirety, or hating
"freedom" as an abstract concept.

He might not have outright stated it, but it's clear from what he
and similar muslim extremists practice that they like freedom,
unless you're doing what they demand, ie not educating children,
denying women basic rights, killing those who want to leave your
religion, death to cartoonists whose cartoons you don't like, etc.

And Bin Laden gave many different reasons for 9/11 and if those weren't
enough, he could come up with some more. It's very clear that he and
the similar muslim extremisits hate us for who we are and what we stand for.
And witness that it's not just the US that these scum have attacked,
they;ve committed terrorist attrocities around the world, against
whoever they don't like, for whatever reason.


Sure, I'm sure as an individual Bin Laden personally hated all kinds of
people and things and when his servant slave girl or whatever didn't
deliver his coffee promptly with the number of sugars he preferred.

Hate is not an uncommon emotion and in some fundamental sense all
terrorist attacks of all types are motivated by it, in the same way you
could argue that anyone who kills large numbers of innocent people is
"mentally ill" to some standard. These would seem to me like
fundamentally true statements, so fundamentally true that they say
everything and nothing at the same time.

But in the case of 9/11, particularly, there are many predominantly
white Christian countries that more-or-less have values that fall under
the heading "freedom" and "Western civilization." And Muslim extremists
have attacked those countries, too. However there were particular
reasons with respect to the 9/11 attack, which was particularly
sophisticated, planning and labor-intensive, and risky, was carried out
against the United States and not some other (logistically easier) place
like say London, Antwerp, or Oslo. I don't think it's because Osama
loved the infidels in Oslo so much better than the ones in NYC.

No, it's because the US stands out as the superpower, the shining, best
example of all that the extremist muslims despise. That is of course
except when they are visiting gogo bars, like some of the 911 scum
were.

 

bloggs.fredbloggs.fred@gmail.com wrote in
news:f613542a-3bba-4fd9-809d-8096fced9c08@googlegroups.com:

I'm not too sure about the low-IQ ignoramus in El Paso thinking
that's an immigrant invasion.

That fucker himself probably isn't even 'white'.

I'd bet he would have to hate himself if he knew his ancestry by his
own criterion.

Most of these idiots have a 100% bent mentality. They are not even
superior to our evolutionary ancestors. Shame that there is not a gene
we can scan for and eliminate by way of.

 

[bitrex]

On 8/4/19 8:26 PM, Bill Sloman wrote:

On Monday, August 5, 2019 at 4:12:28 AM UTC+10, John Larkin wrote:
On Sun, 4 Aug 2019 15:42:43 +0000 (UTC),
DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno@decadence.org wrote:

snip

Someone might look for a common factor among the shooters. Video
games, too much strong weed, some other prescription or street drugs,
vaping, whatever. Some things make some people paranoid and violent.

The obvious common factor is that they have guns.

Another obvious common factor:

<https://imgur.com/a/w9dzhWQ>

 

On Monday, August 5, 2019 at 7:01:38 PM UTC-4, DecadentLinux...@decadence.org wrote:

bloggs.fredbloggs.fred@gmail.com wrote in
news:f613542a-3bba-4fd9-809d-8096fced9c08@googlegroups.com:

I'm not too sure about the low-IQ ignoramus in El Paso thinking
that's an immigrant invasion.

That fucker himself probably isn't even 'white'.

I'd bet he would have to hate himself if he knew his ancestry by his
own criterion.

Most of these idiots have a 100% bent mentality. They are not even
superior to our evolutionary ancestors. Shame that there is not a gene
we can scan for and eliminate by way of.

Looks like the shooter in Dayton was Antifa, very left leaning socialist, and Elizabeth Warren supporter.
Time and time again, the idiots claiming some "vast right wing conspiracy" of white supremacists, who can be controlled only through a weapons ban, demonstrate they don't know what they're talking about.
https://heavy.com/news/2019/08/connor-betts/

 

[Tom Del Rosso]

bitrex wrote:

A civil society will find a way to make peace with guns, and an
un-civil society will find a way to make war with knives.

The United States in aggregate tends to not be strongly one thing or
the other.

We made peace with guns even when fully automatic Tommy Guns were
legally available. All societies started making war with whatever
weapons they had access to as soon as they started drugging up to feel
better.

 

[Lasse Langwadt Christense]

tirsdag den 6. august 2019 kl. 22.30.42 UTC+2 skrev Tom Del Rosso:

bitrex wrote:

A civil society will find a way to make peace with guns, and an
un-civil society will find a way to make war with knives.

The United States in aggregate tends to not be strongly one thing or
the other.

We made peace with guns even when fully automatic Tommy Guns were
legally available. All societies started making war with whatever
weapons they had access to as soon as they started drugging up to feel
better.

there were plenty of drug use back when Al Capone made tommy guns famous

humans have been using drugs and killing each other since the dawn of time

 

[bitrex]

On 8/6/19 4:30 PM, Tom Del Rosso wrote:

bitrex wrote:

A civil society will find a way to make peace with guns, and an
un-civil society will find a way to make war with knives.

The United States in aggregate tends to not be strongly one thing or
the other.

We made peace with guns even when fully automatic Tommy Guns were
legally available. All societies started making war with whatever
weapons they had access to as soon as they started drugging up to feel
better.

Prior to around WW2 the main "regulation" on firearms was cost, a
good-quality handgun like a Colt 1911 or something cost half a months
salary for a middle-class person in the 30 (and that's assuming you had
no other expenses, it would have taken longer to actually save up for
one.) it cost maybe $50 and you could buy a new car for $600.

It was unlikely you could get one on credit from anyone other than a
loan shark, the banking system personal loan industry was in its infancy
and credit availability was determined on "character evaluation" (are
you wealthy and white? and not Irish or Italian, please), not an
objective "score" of any kind.


Tommy guns and military-type weapons, fully automatic weapons etc., were
more widely available than now but were priced at the modern
equivalent of 7 or 8 thousand dollars per and ammunition wasn't that
cheap, either. they were owned in significant quantity only by law
enforcement/military, gangsters, and the very wealthy.

 

bloggs.fredbloggs.fred@gmail.com wrote in
news:700108eb-3cdd-4cae-911e-fae709c2e63f@googlegroups.com:

On Monday, August 5, 2019 at 7:01:38 PM UTC-4,
DecadentLinux...@decadence.org wrote:
bloggs.fredbloggs.fred@gmail.com wrote in
news:f613542a-3bba-4fd9-809d-8096fced9c08@googlegroups.com:

I'm not too sure about the low-IQ ignoramus in El Paso thinking
that's an immigrant invasion.

That fucker himself probably isn't even 'white'.

I'd bet he would have to hate himself if he knew his ancestry
by his
own criterion.

Most of these idiots have a 100% bent mentality. They are not
even
superior to our evolutionary ancestors. Shame that there is not
a gene we can scan for and eliminate by way of.

Looks like the shooter in Dayton was Antifa, very left leaning
socialist, and Elizabeth Warren supporter.

That dopey fuck looked so stupid he probably did not know what he
was.

Time and time again,
the idiots claiming some "vast right wing conspiracy" of white
supremacists, who can be controlled only through a weapons ban,
demonstrate they don't know what they're talking about.

Nothing was said about a weapons ban in my post. What the public
is doing is not what this post was about.

I posted it before all the yada yada horsehsit that folks and the
news spewed forth with after.

https://heavy.com/news/2019/08/connor-betts/

Did not visit the site, but I am certain he was a loon. I blame
Dayton's schhol that kicked him out. I want to know exactly what
authority did they pass thta info about his list to?

If that answer is none... they hold some blame. If the answer is
"the police" then THEY hold some blame. The point is that this
asshole was "known about" LONG before he did anything.

Idiot. The post was talking about El Paso

 

bitrex <user@example.net> wrote in
news:Ogm2F.173606$I%1.146823@fx08.iad:

On 8/6/19 4:30 PM, Tom Del Rosso wrote:
bitrex wrote:

A civil society will find a way to make peace with guns, and an
un-civil society will find a way to make war with knives.

The United States in aggregate tends to not be strongly one
thing or the other.

We made peace with guns even when fully automatic Tommy Guns were
legally available. All societies started making war with
whatever weapons they had access to as soon as they started
drugging up to feel better.



Prior to around WW2 the main "regulation" on firearms was cost, a
good-quality handgun like a Colt 1911 or something cost half a
months salary for a middle-class person in the 30 (and that's
assuming you had no other expenses, it would have taken longer to
actually save up for one.) it cost maybe $50 and you could buy a
new car for $600.

It was unlikely you could get one on credit from anyone other than
a loan shark, the banking system personal loan industry was in its
infancy and credit availability was determined on "character
evaluation" (are you wealthy and white? and not Irish or Italian,
please), not an objective "score" of any kind.


Tommy guns and military-type weapons, fully automatic weapons
etc., were
more widely available than now but were priced at the modern
equivalent of 7 or 8 thousand dollars per and ammunition wasn't
that cheap, either. they were owned in significant quantity only
by law enforcement/military, gangsters, and the very wealthy.

And drugs, not then or now, has never had anything to do with their
mindset.

This dude watched reefer madness and is stupid enough to believe
it. Throughou the millennia, it has never ever been about any drugs
or inebriants.

He probably thinks we never went to the moon, and that the Earth is
flat.

 

Lasse Langwadt Christensen <langwadt@fonz.dk> wrote in
news:be0e0001-d1ed-4cb7-b0e1-0ce527b2cafe@googlegroups.com:

tirsdag den 6. august 2019 kl. 22.30.42 UTC+2 skrev Tom Del Rosso:
bitrex wrote:

A civil society will find a way to make peace with guns, and an
un-civil society will find a way to make war with knives.

The United States in aggregate tends to not be strongly one
thing or the other.

We made peace with guns even when fully automatic Tommy Guns were
legally available. All societies started making war with
whatever weapons they had access to as soon as they started
drugging up to feel better.

there were plenty of drug use back when Al Capone made tommy guns
famous

humans have been using drugs and killing each other since the dawn
of time

Yeah... that's like the idiots who said that pool halls caused
crime back in the '50s. Hundreds of pool halls closed across the
country as cities upped their business license fee and shut them out.

 

[Tom Del Rosso]

Lasse Langwadt Christensen wrote:

tirsdag den 6. august 2019 kl. 22.30.42 UTC+2 skrev Tom Del Rosso:
bitrex wrote:

A civil society will find a way to make peace with guns, and an
un-civil society will find a way to make war with knives.

The United States in aggregate tends to not be strongly one thing or
the other.

We made peace with guns even when fully automatic Tommy Guns were
legally available. All societies started making war with whatever
weapons they had access to as soon as they started drugging up to
feel better.

there were plenty of drug use back when Al Capone made tommy guns
famous

humans have been using drugs and killing each other since the dawn of
time

The mafia is a different phenomenon. Different sort of drugs too.
There were no random mass shootings. The point being, it might not be
the drugs but it sure isn't the guns that changed.

 

[Whoey Louie]

On Tuesday, August 6, 2019 at 6:05:04 PM UTC-4, DecadentLinux...@decadence.org wrote:

bloggs.fredbloggs.fred@gmail.com wrote in
news:700108eb-3cdd-4cae-911e-fae709c2e63f@googlegroups.com:

On Monday, August 5, 2019 at 7:01:38 PM UTC-4,
DecadentLinux...@decadence.org wrote:
bloggs.fredbloggs.fred@gmail.com wrote in
news:f613542a-3bba-4fd9-809d-8096fced9c08@googlegroups.com:

I'm not too sure about the low-IQ ignoramus in El Paso thinking
that's an immigrant invasion.

That fucker himself probably isn't even 'white'.

I'd bet he would have to hate himself if he knew his ancestry
by his
own criterion.

Most of these idiots have a 100% bent mentality. They are not
even
superior to our evolutionary ancestors. Shame that there is not
a gene we can scan for and eliminate by way of.

Looks like the shooter in Dayton was Antifa, very left leaning
socialist, and Elizabeth Warren supporter.

That dopey fuck looked so stupid he probably did not know what he
was.

Time and time again,
the idiots claiming some "vast right wing conspiracy" of white
supremacists, who can be controlled only through a weapons ban,
demonstrate they don't know what they're talking about.

Nothing was said about a weapons ban in my post. What the public
is doing is not what this post was about.

I posted it before all the yada yada horsehsit that folks and the
news spewed forth with after.

https://heavy.com/news/2019/08/connor-betts/

Did not visit the site, but I am certain he was a loon. I blame
Dayton's schhol that kicked him out. I want to know exactly what
authority did they pass thta info about his list to?

It's was widely reported a couple days ago that the school reported
his lists to the police. The police investigated it, talked to the
other students, he was suspended. What more they did beyond that,
eg require psychiatric help, IDK. That was ten years ago. It's easy
in hindsight to say that because one of these kids winds up a mass
murderer that we should have done something draconian. But in the
real world, there are a whole lot of troubled kids, with problems,
and unless the new procedure is to be to confine them all for life,
there is only so much you can do.

One part of the problem that could be easily addressed is to stop
most troubled people like him from being able to just walk into a
gun store in many states and buy all the guns they want. MAny states,
eg Florida, that's exactly what happens. There you had Cruz, the Parkland
school shooter, do exactly that. Even though police had been to his
home 21 times for trouble involving him, where he was out of control
punching holes in walls, threatening his mother. The police also knew
he was under treatment for mental health problems, they had called a
state mental health person to his house on at least one occasion. Yet
there was nothing in the law that prevented him from walking into Dick;s
Sporting Goods and buying guns. What's needed is a uniform gun law
across the country where for each gun purchase you need a permit that is
issued by the chief of police after a background investigation and the
chief can deny it if he believes there is a risk to public safety.
It would also cut way down on straw purchases, unless you think the
cousin of a gang banger is likely to go to the local police to apply for
a permit to buy six pistols.

If that answer is none... they hold some blame. If the answer is
"the police" then THEY hold some blame.

Try to follow the news. The police involvement was ten years ago.
As of now, there is no indication that he had any more involvement with
the police beyond that. Cops are not omniscient.



The point is that this

asshole was "known about" LONG before he did anything.

Idiot. The post was talking about El Paso

One thing we;re dealing with here is Monday morning quarterbacking.
A whole lot of people will come forward and say, yeah, I just knew he
was going to do this, now that he actually did. But would they have
said that if you asked them a month ago? And what do we do with all
the people who have some risk indicators, even if some authorities
are notified? They can talk to them, talk to their families, but then
what? Unless they commit a serious crime, what should we have the police
and govt do?

 

[Whoey Louie]

On Monday, August 5, 2019 at 7:01:38 PM UTC-4, DecadentLinux...@decadence.org wrote:

bloggs.fredbloggs.fred@gmail.com wrote in
news:f613542a-3bba-4fd9-809d-8096fced9c08@googlegroups.com:

I'm not too sure about the low-IQ ignoramus in El Paso thinking
that's an immigrant invasion.

That fucker himself probably isn't even 'white'.

I'd bet he would have to hate himself if he knew his ancestry by his
own criterion.

Most of these idiots have a 100% bent mentality. They are not even
superior to our evolutionary ancestors. Shame that there is not a gene
we can scan for and eliminate by way of.

Maybe someone should check your genes?

 

[Whoey Louie]

On Tuesday, August 6, 2019 at 6:58:36 PM UTC-4, DecadentLinux...@decadence.org wrote:

bitrex <user@example.net> wrote in
news:Ogm2F.173606$I%1.146823@fx08.iad:

On 8/6/19 4:30 PM, Tom Del Rosso wrote:
bitrex wrote:

A civil society will find a way to make peace with guns, and an
un-civil society will find a way to make war with knives.

The United States in aggregate tends to not be strongly one
thing or the other.

We made peace with guns even when fully automatic Tommy Guns were
legally available. All societies started making war with
whatever weapons they had access to as soon as they started
drugging up to feel better.



Prior to around WW2 the main "regulation" on firearms was cost, a
good-quality handgun like a Colt 1911 or something cost half a
months salary for a middle-class person in the 30 (and that's
assuming you had no other expenses, it would have taken longer to
actually save up for one.) it cost maybe $50 and you could buy a
new car for $600.

It was unlikely you could get one on credit from anyone other than
a loan shark, the banking system personal loan industry was in its
infancy and credit availability was determined on "character
evaluation" (are you wealthy and white? and not Irish or Italian,
please), not an objective "score" of any kind.


Tommy guns and military-type weapons, fully automatic weapons
etc., were
more widely available than now but were priced at the modern
equivalent of 7 or 8 thousand dollars per and ammunition wasn't
that cheap, either. they were owned in significant quantity only
by law enforcement/military, gangsters, and the very wealthy.

And drugs, not then or now, has never had anything to do with their
mindset.

This dude watched reefer madness and is stupid enough to believe
it. Throughou the millennia, it has never ever been about any drugs
or inebriants.

He probably thinks we never went to the moon, and that the Earth is
flat.

That's clearly wrong too. Many of the shooters have been on
drugs for mental illness. Adam Lanza (Sandy Hook), and Cruz (Parkland School),
Dylan Roof (Charleston Church) for example. We know the Dayton shooter
suffered from bipoloar disorder, so he likely was taking drugs or should
have been. Some of them, we never learn about because of the confidentiality
of medical records. And certainly there is an incredible number of homicides aside
from mass murders where drugs were involved, either the perp using them
or the sale of drugs being involved.

 

[Whoey Louie]

On Tuesday, August 6, 2019 at 4:30:42 PM UTC-4, Tom Del Rosso wrote:

bitrex wrote:

A civil society will find a way to make peace with guns, and an
un-civil society will find a way to make war with knives.

The United States in aggregate tends to not be strongly one thing or
the other.

We made peace with guns even when fully automatic Tommy Guns were
legally available. All societies started making war with whatever
weapons they had access to as soon as they started drugging up to feel
better.

BS. That's why gun control was passed in the 30s, it tightly controlled
fully automatic weapons. If we made peace with them, accepted them,
then they would be still widely available and instead, they are close
to impossible to obtain. Sadly I'm sure there are lots of people that
think we'd all be safer if they were available. That nut case Sean Hannity
proposed that all schools be ringed with armed citizens, put one on every
floor, in every hall. Do the same with malls. That's his new conservative
vision for Trump's Amerika.

 

Whoey Louie <trader4@optonline.net> wrote in news:28ed19d9-6629-4de8-
bc15-954844ea89fa@googlegroups.com:

Maybe someone should check your genes?

It is a damned shame we do not, because your entire bloodline would
be erased.