Parasitic values

Jim Thompson · May 24, 2004

On Mon, 24 May 2004 16:11:31 GMT, Bob Stephens
<stephensyomamadigital@earthlink.net> wrote:

[snip]

I think these stats are unrealistic as regards cost of living and effective
taxation. I refuse to believe that California - where I reside - is the
24th highest taxed state in the Union. In other words half the nation pays
more in taxes than we do? Impossible. They need to factor in hidden taxes
such as "purchase and use" tax on just about everything from automobiles to
fax machines, property taxes, not to mention the embedded environmentaly
driven taxers on gasoline and utitlities - fees for the hearing impaired,
earthquake victims, gender-challenged etc...

Watch out for line wraps....

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...Jim Thompson
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Spehro Pefhany · May 24, 2004

On Sun, 23 May 2004 09:04:05 -0700, the renowned "Richard Henry"
<rphenry@home.com> wrote:

"Jim Thompson" <thegreatone@example.com> wrote in message
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On Sun, 23 May 2004 05:51:06 GMT, Fred Bloggs <nospam@nospam.com
wrote:

Jim Thompson wrote:
... went into a hotel restaurant wearing a $1000 Sakowitz
suede jacket, with no tie, and was told I wasn't properly dressed...

HOW CRASS!!!!!!!!!! You were NOT properly dressed.

I live in the west... wearing a tie makes you sweat.

I only wear ties to weddings and funerals ;-)

And they are unsafe around soldering irons and rotating machinery.

Soldering irons? Silk doesn't burn very readily (and any other
material for a tie is unacceptable), and in any case a simple gold tie
clip deals with it. But there are possible biohazards:

http://www.reuters.com/newsArticle.jhtml?type=healthNews&storyID=5240341

Best regards,
Spehro Pefhany
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John Larkin · May 25, 2004

On Mon, 24 May 2004 01:13:55 -0400, Activ8 <reply2group@ndbbm.net>
wrote:

On Sun, 23 May 2004 22:06:31 -0000, null) wrote:

Activ8 <reply2group@ndbbm.net> wrote:

Why even go to a french resaraunt, let alone honor them by wearing a tie?

Because, even though some of y'all have a way with wine grapes,
someone has to teach you New World upstarts the proper way
of dealing with garden pests.

Francois, "Enfants de la patrie, le jour de gloire est arrive...".

I had perfectly good escargot in an Italian restaurant, so I still
don't need no stinkin' french

I have just three things to say to you, grasshopper:

Quenelles.

Cassoulet with duck confit.

Raspberries with creme fraise.

Oh, did I mention sauce bernaise?

John

Jim Thompson · May 25, 2004

On Mon, 24 May 2004 19:50:16 -0700, John Larkin
<jjlarkin@highlandSNIPtechTHISnologyPLEASE.com> wrote:

On Mon, 24 May 2004 01:13:55 -0400, Activ8 <reply2group@ndbbm.net
wrote:

On Sun, 23 May 2004 22:06:31 -0000, null) wrote:

Activ8 <reply2group@ndbbm.net> wrote:

Why even go to a french resaraunt, let alone honor them by wearing a tie?

Because, even though some of y'all have a way with wine grapes,
someone has to teach you New World upstarts the proper way
of dealing with garden pests.

Francois, "Enfants de la patrie, le jour de gloire est arrive...".

I had perfectly good escargot in an Italian restaurant, so I still
don't need no stinkin' french

I have just three things to say to you, grasshopper:

Quenelles.

Cassoulet with duck confit.

Raspberries with creme fraise.

Oh, did I mention sauce bernaise?

John

Guess who's coming to dinner ?

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John Larkin · May 25, 2004

On Mon, 24 May 2004 20:12:09 -0700, Jim Thompson
<thegreatone@example.com> wrote:

On Mon, 24 May 2004 19:50:16 -0700, John Larkin
jjlarkin@highlandSNIPtechTHISnologyPLEASE.com> wrote:

On Mon, 24 May 2004 01:13:55 -0400, Activ8 <reply2group@ndbbm.net
wrote:

On Sun, 23 May 2004 22:06:31 -0000, null) wrote:

Activ8 <reply2group@ndbbm.net> wrote:

Why even go to a french resaraunt, let alone honor them by wearing a tie?

Because, even though some of y'all have a way with wine grapes,
someone has to teach you New World upstarts the proper way
of dealing with garden pests.

Francois, "Enfants de la patrie, le jour de gloire est arrive...".

I had perfectly good escargot in an Italian restaurant, so I still
don't need no stinkin' french

I have just three things to say to you, grasshopper:

Quenelles.

Cassoulet with duck confit.

Raspberries with creme fraise.

Oh, did I mention sauce bernaise?

John

Guess who's coming to dinner ?

...Jim Thompson

A nice steak with bernaise, and some of those twice-cooked pommes
frites, can be pretty satisfying, too.

I ate at Paul Bocuse's place, north of Lyon, once. That was just after
eating at a chateau run by Michel Gerard's sister. Good grub, both.
The French may be, well, not the chummiest guys on the planet, but
they sure know how to treat themselves well. Actually, outside of the
big cities, they were very nice. Even met Paul B, who was very
gracious.

I just read the claim that the French Laundry restaurant, in
Yountville Ca, may be the best restaurant in the world. Gotta try it
some time.

John

Activ8 · May 25, 2004

On Mon, 24 May 2004 19:50:16 -0700, John Larkin wrote:

On Mon, 24 May 2004 01:13:55 -0400, Activ8 <reply2group@ndbbm.net
wrote:

On Sun, 23 May 2004 22:06:31 -0000, null) wrote:

Activ8 <reply2group@ndbbm.net> wrote:

Why even go to a french resaraunt, let alone honor them by wearing a tie?

Because, even though some of y'all have a way with wine grapes,
someone has to teach you New World upstarts the proper way
of dealing with garden pests.

Francois, "Enfants de la patrie, le jour de gloire est arrive...".

I had perfectly good escargot in an Italian restaurant, so I still
don't need no stinkin' french

I have just three things to say to you, grasshopper:

Brings to mind raw cicada larvae. It wasn't locust and honey. IIRC,
it was the brits (english back then, I suppose) who first called
cicada locust when in fact locust = grasshopper.

Quenelles.

Sounds familliar. I like crepes, too. I still don't need a french
restaurant. Sounds like a quick fix, though.

Cassoulet with duck confit.

Sounds good. I'll shoot a duck and download a few recipes.

Raspberries with creme fraise.

Whipped creme? Don't use the stuff much. I pick the berries out back
and eat as I go.

Oh, did I mention sauce bernaise?

Can't remember what it was like, but I think mom made it once. I
never said they couldn't cook, I just don't need them to cook for
me. The chef can be purple for all I care.

hmm... I ordered a steak sandwich au jus once and the waitress
repeated it back pronouncing the s. A frenchie would've died.

'scuse me. I'm having Zatarain's cravings.
--
Best Regards,
Mike

Bob Stephens · May 25, 2004

On Tue, 25 May 2004 06:14:16 -0400, Activ8 wrote:

Why even go to a french resaraunt, let alone honor them by wearing a tie?

They invented the necktie? Figures. Useless ornamental piece of crap.
And the Belgians taught the French how to cook anyway.
--
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programmed by fellas with compassion and vision."
-D. Fagen
(remove yomama)

John Larkin · May 25, 2004

On Tue, 25 May 2004 06:14:16 -0400, Activ8 <reply2group@ndbbm.net>
wrote:

On Mon, 24 May 2004 19:50:16 -0700, John Larkin wrote:

On Mon, 24 May 2004 01:13:55 -0400, Activ8 <reply2group@ndbbm.net
wrote:

On Sun, 23 May 2004 22:06:31 -0000, null) wrote:

Activ8 <reply2group@ndbbm.net> wrote:

Why even go to a french resaraunt, let alone honor them by wearing a tie?

Because, even though some of y'all have a way with wine grapes,
someone has to teach you New World upstarts the proper way
of dealing with garden pests.

Francois, "Enfants de la patrie, le jour de gloire est arrive...".

I had perfectly good escargot in an Italian restaurant, so I still
don't need no stinkin' french

I have just three things to say to you, grasshopper:

Brings to mind raw cicada larvae. It wasn't locust and honey. IIRC,
it was the brits (english back then, I suppose) who first called
cicada locust when in fact locust = grasshopper.

Quenelles.

Sounds familliar. I like crepes, too. I still don't need a french
restaurant. Sounds like a quick fix, though.

Cassoulet with duck confit.

Sounds good. I'll shoot a duck and download a few recipes.

Confit is a pain. You pack the duck parts in fat and stuff for a few
months. Or years, I forget.

Raspberries with creme fraise.

Whipped creme? Don't use the stuff much. I pick the berries out back
and eat as I go.

Whipped cream is creme chantilly. Creme fraise is more like Devon
clotted cream, only better.

Oh, did I mention sauce bernaise?

Can't remember what it was like, but I think mom made it once. I
never said they couldn't cook, I just don't need them to cook for
me. The chef can be purple for all I care.

OK, there are some awfully good Thai dudes who cook in the French
style.

'scuse me. I'm having Zatarain's cravings.

I used to know old man Zatarain when I was a kid. He had an old house
on (I think) Prytania street, and he rebuilt the whole sorta-basementy
ground floor (there are of course no basements in NOLA!) into a
grotto-shrine sort of thing, with holy statues and plants and drippy
water things everywhere. It was very weird and spooky and me and my
friends used to play around in it. He was friendly, probably glad to
have visitors, even kids.

I don't much care for the packaged mixes (jambalaya, dirty rice, RB&R
in a box, for pete's sake!) but his crab boil is still the best.

I made RB&R last weekend. Ran out of genuine Red Camellias so I had to
buy some red kidney beans locally. Mo was very skeptical, but it
turned out to be an excellent batch. You can get good, very good,
anduille sausage and outstanding ham hocks around here (Norcal.) Good
with jasmine rice, if you can imagine that.

John

Richard Henry · May 25, 2004

"Activ8" <reply2group@ndbbm.net> wrote in message
news:qj17bzti8f3h$.dlg@news.individual.net...

On Mon, 24 May 2004 19:50:16 -0700, John Larkin wrote:
Raspberries with creme fraise.

Whipped creme? Don't use the stuff much. I pick the berries out back
and eat as I go.

<jealousy>

When I grew up in New England, we lived in several houses, each of which had
a raspberry thicket in the back yard. Summertime breakfast recipe: pour a
half-bowl of Wheaties, go to the backyard and add a half-bowl of
raspberries, return to the house for milk and sugar.

I have tried to grow raspberries and blackberries in the backyard (San Diego
suburbs) but they just die off. On the other hand, I have fresh oranges,
lemons and guavas available right now.

Jim Thompson · May 25, 2004

On Mon, 24 May 2004 20:45:02 -0700, John Larkin
<jjlarkin@highlandSNIPtechTHISnologyPLEASE.com> wrote:

[snip]

A nice steak with bernaise, and some of those twice-cooked pommes
frites, can be pretty satisfying, too.

[snip]
John

My wife does a nice filet in a red-wine-reduction sauce, serves with
new potatoes, par-boiled, then browned, with a side of asparagus.

(Personally I think the cooking in Alsace is better ;-)

...Jim Thompson
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John Larkin · May 25, 2004

On Tue, 25 May 2004 08:28:23 -0700, "Richard Henry" <rphenry@home.com>
wrote:

jealousy

When I grew up in New England, we lived in several houses, each of which had
a raspberry thicket in the back yard. Summertime breakfast recipe: pour a
half-bowl of Wheaties, go to the backyard and add a half-bowl of
raspberries, return to the house for milk and sugar.

I have tried to grow raspberries and blackberries in the backyard (San Diego
suburbs) but they just die off. On the other hand, I have fresh oranges,
lemons and guavas available right now.

There are lots of blackberries in San Francisco. We pick them in Glen
Canyon, two blocks from our house, and on Mount Davidson, and even
along some of the dirt lanes near our house. They're one critter that
thrives in an urban environment... they're almost indestructable.

Soak them in water for a couple of hours; the worms will come to the
surface for air. I do an old-South family recipe, blackberries baked
in a pastry shell, looks sort of like a burrrito. The name, nowadays,
is highly politically incorrect.

John

Bob Stephens · May 25, 2004

On Tue, 25 May 2004 10:11:54 -0700, John Larkin wrote:

On Tue, 25 May 2004 08:28:23 -0700, "Richard Henry" <rphenry@home.com
wrote:

jealousy

When I grew up in New England, we lived in several houses, each of which had
a raspberry thicket in the back yard. Summertime breakfast recipe: pour a
half-bowl of Wheaties, go to the backyard and add a half-bowl of
raspberries, return to the house for milk and sugar.

I have tried to grow raspberries and blackberries in the backyard (San Diego
suburbs) but they just die off. On the other hand, I have fresh oranges,
lemons and guavas available right now.

There are lots of blackberries in San Francisco. We pick them in Glen
Canyon, two blocks from our house, and on Mount Davidson, and even
along some of the dirt lanes near our house. They're one critter that
thrives in an urban environment... they're almost indestructable.

Soak them in water for a couple of hours; the worms will come to the
surface for air. I do an old-South family recipe, blackberries baked
in a pastry shell, looks sort of like a burrrito. The name, nowadays,
is highly politically incorrect.

John

I transplanted some raspberries from San Francisco to Redondo Beach (LA)
and they did fine. We also grow Boysenberries and Loganberries in the LA
area. Knott too far from Orange County you know

Bob
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programmed by fellas with compassion and vision."
-D. Fagen
(remove yomama)

KR Williams · May 25, 2004

In article <uCJsc.32168$PU5.14897@fed1read06>, rphenry@home.com
says...

"Activ8" <reply2group@ndbbm.net> wrote in message
news:qj17bzti8f3h$.dlg@news.individual.net...
On Mon, 24 May 2004 19:50:16 -0700, John Larkin wrote:
Raspberries with creme fraise.

Whipped creme? Don't use the stuff much. I pick the berries out back
and eat as I go.

jealousy

When I grew up in New England, we lived in several houses, each of which had
a raspberry thicket in the back yard. Summertime breakfast recipe: pour a
half-bowl of Wheaties, go to the backyard and add a half-bowl of
raspberries, return to the house for milk and sugar.

We have tons of blackberries[*] in our back yard. We never get
'em though. The birds know when they're just almost ripe and get
there first.

[*] perhaps that's why the street was named "Blackberry Rd." ;-)

--
Keith

Activ8 · May 25, 2004

On Tue, 25 May 2004 08:18:27 -0700, John Larkin wrote:

On Tue, 25 May 2004 06:14:16 -0400, Activ8 <reply2group@ndbbm.net
wrote:

On Mon, 24 May 2004 19:50:16 -0700, John Larkin wrote:

On Mon, 24 May 2004 01:13:55 -0400, Activ8 <reply2group@ndbbm.net
wrote:

On Sun, 23 May 2004 22:06:31 -0000, null) wrote:

Activ8 <reply2group@ndbbm.net> wrote:

Why even go to a french resaraunt, let alone honor them by wearing a tie?

Because, even though some of y'all have a way with wine grapes,
someone has to teach you New World upstarts the proper way
of dealing with garden pests.

Francois, "Enfants de la patrie, le jour de gloire est arrive...".

I had perfectly good escargot in an Italian restaurant, so I still
don't need no stinkin' french

I have just three things to say to you, grasshopper:

Brings to mind raw cicada larvae. It wasn't locust and honey. IIRC,
it was the brits (english back then, I suppose) who first called
cicada locust when in fact locust = grasshopper.

Quenelles.

Sounds familliar. I like crepes, too. I still don't need a french
restaurant. Sounds like a quick fix, though.

Cassoulet with duck confit.

Sounds good. I'll shoot a duck and download a few recipes.

Confit is a pain. You pack the duck parts in fat and stuff for a few
months. Or years, I forget.

Raspberries with creme fraise.

Whipped creme? Don't use the stuff much. I pick the berries out back
and eat as I go.

Whipped cream is creme chantilly. Creme fraise is more like Devon
clotted cream, only better.

Oh, did I mention sauce bernaise?

Can't remember what it was like, but I think mom made it once. I
never said they couldn't cook, I just don't need them to cook for
me. The chef can be purple for all I care.

OK, there are some awfully good Thai dudes who cook in the French
style.

'scuse me. I'm having Zatarain's cravings.

I used to know old man Zatarain when I was a kid. He had an old house
on (I think) Prytania street, and he rebuilt the whole sorta-basementy
ground floor (there are of course no basements in NOLA!) into a
grotto-shrine sort of thing, with holy statues and plants and drippy
water things everywhere. It was very weird and spooky and me and my
friends used to play around in it. He was friendly, probably glad to
have visitors, even kids.

You mentioned that last month and I was thinking about it when I
found the Zatarain's bargain at Big Lots. I couldn't remember who
knew the old boy.

I don't much care for the packaged mixes (jambalaya, dirty rice, RB&R
in a box, for pete's sake!) but his crab boil is still the best.

It's not as good as freshly prepared, but it's a great quick fix. I
usually do something with ground beef other than burgers. I added
two scissor cut red chili peppers and it was great. Lacking
Zatarain's (I buy it once in a while) I'll just mix my ground round
with wild rice and cream of mushroom soup and spices. Beans i leiu
of rice. It takes self control for me to stop when I'm full.

I made RB&R last weekend. Ran out of genuine Red Camellias so I had to
buy some red kidney beans locally. Mo was very skeptical, but it
turned out to be an excellent batch. You can get good, very good,
anduille sausage and outstanding ham hocks around here (Norcal.) Good
with jasmine rice, if you can imagine that.

No. I've never tried jasmine anything - mental note. Maybe tea.

--
Best Regards,
Mike

Activ8 · May 25, 2004

On Tue, 25 May 2004 08:28:23 -0700, Richard Henry wrote:

"Activ8" <reply2group@ndbbm.net> wrote in message
news:qj17bzti8f3h$.dlg@news.individual.net...
On Mon, 24 May 2004 19:50:16 -0700, John Larkin wrote:
Raspberries with creme fraise.

Whipped creme? Don't use the stuff much. I pick the berries out back
and eat as I go.

jealousy

When I grew up in New England, we lived in several houses, each of which had
a raspberry thicket in the back yard. Summertime breakfast recipe: pour a
half-bowl of Wheaties, go to the backyard and add a half-bowl of
raspberries, return to the house for milk and sugar.

I have tried to grow raspberries and blackberries in the backyard (San Diego
suburbs) but they just die off. On the other hand, I have fresh oranges,
lemons and guavas available right now.

I have to cut the berrys back every year. They won't stop growing.
--
Best Regards,
Mike

Reg Edwards · May 27, 2004

"John Popelish" wrote

Not at all. If the inductor looks purely resistive, it is the
inductance and capacitance that have canceled each other, leaving
whatever series resistance the inductor had as the only remaining
visible impedance. The value of that resistance really isn't involved
in the calculation of that capacitance. If no inductance remains,
then XC=XL.

==========================
Resistance values DO affect the effective values of L and C and of the
resonant frequency.

For example, a resistance in series with an inductance can be transformed to
an equivalent higher value parallel resistance and a higher value
inductance. With an associated capacitance this reduces the resonant
frequency.

And a resistance in series with a capacitor can be transformed to a parallel
combination of higher resistance and smaller capacitance which increases
resonant frequency.

The magnitude of the effects increases with lower values of Q = Series R /
X.

Pure values of resistance can be transformed to considerably different
purely resistive values by parasitic L and C.

In the extreme case, at the resonant frequency, effective Rp = L /C / Rs
where Rp and Rs are respectively the parallel and and series resistance
values.

But this is not magic. It's only elementary circuit behaviour.

Parasitic L and C are distributed values. A more exact analysis of the
effects is obtained by considering a lumped resistor to be a short
transmission line. But rarely is this necessary.
----
Reg.

Terry Given · May 27, 2004

"Reg Edwards" <g4fgq.regp@ZZZbtinternet.com> wrote in message
news:c93sv1$kaj$1@titan.btinternet.com...

"John Popelish" wrote
Not at all. If the inductor looks purely resistive, it is the
inductance and capacitance that have canceled each other, leaving
whatever series resistance the inductor had as the only remaining
visible impedance. The value of that resistance really isn't involved
in the calculation of that capacitance. If no inductance remains,
then XC=XL.

==========================
Resistance values DO affect the effective values of L and C and of the
resonant frequency.

For example, a resistance in series with an inductance can be transformed
to
an equivalent higher value parallel resistance and a higher value
inductance. With an associated capacitance this reduces the resonant
frequency.

And a resistance in series with a capacitor can be transformed to a
parallel
combination of higher resistance and smaller capacitance which increases
resonant frequency.

The magnitude of the effects increases with lower values of Q = Series R /
X.

Pure values of resistance can be transformed to considerably different
purely resistive values by parasitic L and C.

In the extreme case, at the resonant frequency, effective Rp = L /C / Rs
where Rp and Rs are respectively the parallel and and series resistance
values.

But this is not magic. It's only elementary circuit behaviour.

Parasitic L and C are distributed values. A more exact analysis of the
effects is obtained by considering a lumped resistor to be a short
transmission line. But rarely is this necessary.
----
Reg.

Thankfully Reg is right. Imagine what a pain most circuit design would be
then. When I was at University, in a fit of inspired stupidity I analysed a
2nd order LC filter with resistive Rs & Rl, using Maxwells equations.
Unsurprisingly, it was a LOT of work, and gave me the exact same answer as
the laplace approach. The problem with approximations is when you dont
realise you are using them

Cheers
Terry

Randy Yates · May 28, 2004

"Terry Given" <the_domes@xtra.co.nz> writes:

When I was at University, in a fit of inspired stupidity I analysed a
2nd order LC filter with resistive Rs & Rl, using Maxwells equations.
Unsurprisingly, it was a LOT of work, and gave me the exact same answer as
the laplace approach.

Damned impressive anyway!
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Terry Given · May 28, 2004

"Randy Yates" <yates@ieee.org> wrote in message
news:smdl2q5t.fsf@ieee.org...

"Terry Given" <the_domes@xtra.co.nz> writes:
[...]
When I was at University, in a fit of inspired stupidity I analysed a
2nd order LC filter with resistive Rs & Rl, using Maxwells equations.
Unsurprisingly, it was a LOT of work, and gave me the exact same answer
as
the laplace approach.

Damned impressive anyway!
% Randy Yates % "She's sweet on Wagner-I think she'd die
for

Nah, just handle-cranking. I was hell impressed when my (ex-) father-in-law
showed me a 16x16 matrix he inverted BY HAND (civil engineer). Lots of
cross-checking, and VERY big bits of paper. Now I see why Walter spent
$20,000 on his first HP calculator (alas I cant recall the model no. but it
was bigger than a typewriter)

I also discovered a not-too-dissimilar worked example (Kraus'
electromagnetics IIRC)

It provided an object lesson in the appropriate use of approximations though

Cheers
Terry

unitron · May 28, 2004

John Larkin <jjlarkin@highlandSNIPtechTHISnologyPLEASE.com> wrote in message news:<k2k2b09ap5idqn2dhlfa0t4qu48463stp9@4ax.com>...

On Mon, 24 May 2004 00:05:17 -0000, fps@idiom.com ((null)) wrote:

John Larkin <jjlarkin@highlandSNIPtechTHISnologyPLEASE.com> wrote:
On Sun, 23 May 2004 22:06:31 -0000, fps@idiom.com ((null)) wrote:
Activ8 <reply2group@ndbbm.net> wrote:

Why even go to a french resaraunt, let alone honor them by wearing a tie?

Because, even though some of y'all have a way with wine grapes,
someone has to teach you New World upstarts the proper way
of dealing with garden pests.

Exactly. You put garlic and butter on them, and then you eat them.

Got it in one, bubba.

I will say one can eat *really* *well* in the Excited Snakes -
I picked up 20 pounds since I moved here.

Francois, mmmm barbecue mmmmm.

Barbeque is said to be the only native USian food. I'd argue that
cajun is another. Both are massively yummy when done right.

John

I was about to say something about the various disagreements
possible about exactly what barbecue is (strangely enough there are
any number of people outside of eastern NC who think it involves
tomatoes and many even think it's made of something other than pork)
when I noticed that there doesn't even seem to be consensus on the
spelling.

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