OT: Wow, compact fluorescent light bulbs already obsolete

[Rick C]

On Friday, January 24, 2020 at 7:31:33 PM UTC-5, tabb...@gmail.com wrote:

On Friday, 24 January 2020 22:22:15 UTC, Rick C wrote:
On Friday, January 24, 2020 at 1:11:14 PM UTC-5, tabby wrote:
On Friday, 24 January 2020 09:38:01 UTC, Rick C wrote:
On Friday, January 24, 2020 at 4:08:10 AM UTC-5, tabby wrote:
On Wednesday, 22 January 2020 11:35:18 UTC, Rick C wrote:
On Wednesday, January 22, 2020 at 1:32:55 AM UTC-5, tabby wrote:

When do you feel the need to use a light bulb that is shorter lived and uses more power than one that lasts much longer and uses a quarter or less of the power?

the only time now is when using them to limit inrush current. CFLs & LEDs are no use for that. When the ban struck, a lot of people were still using light fittings that couldn't use CFLs, so wanted to use filaments.

What is all the drama bout? Why are people so into "old guy" mode??? "You kids, get off my lawn!!!"

There's just no valid basis to ban people from using lightbulbs. It's entirely political. Hardly surprising it has proven unpopular.

There's no ban.

https://bulbcenter.com/products/philips-229799-100-watt-a19-frost-2-500-life-hours-1-470-lumens-130-volt?variant=28775311736896&currency=USD

If you want them, you can get them.

Just quit making stuff up, ok?

that's in America you twerp.

From the web site...
Contact Us
ADDRESS:
6330 N Andrews Ave
#177
Fort Lauderdale, FL 33309

Why is it you just can't seem to bother with reading something useful instead of believing the stuff you make up???

The lightbulb ban is not something I made up, google it for all the info. Silly twerp.

Ok, one more time for those who really, really just can't seem to even use Google to search for the simplest of information.

The incandescent lamp is in no way banned. The US government says so and I've already shown you that you can buy them which you seem to not have looked at (still linked above from a US company).

"Basics of the Energy Independence and Security Act of 2007, as it pertains to lighting and light bulbs:

It does not ban the use or purchase of incandescent bulbs."

If the US government says they aren't banned, who are you to say they are???

https://www.epa.gov/cfl/how-energy-independence-and-security-act-2007-affects-light-bulbs

Now that we have established that you are too lazy to even Google the topic yourself... here is another link that should explain it adequately so that even you can understand...

https://insights.regencylighting.com/was-there-actually-an-incandescent-light-bulb-ban

I'm tired of spoon feeding you only to have to spit it all back out. I can point you to information, but I can't make you read it and Lord knows, I can't make you understand.

Read, learn, don't... I don't care. But you can't say I didn't prove my point.

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[Bill Sloman]

On Saturday, January 25, 2020 at 12:49:14 PM UTC+11, Rick C wrote:

On Friday, January 24, 2020 at 7:31:33 PM UTC-5, tabb...@gmail.com wrote:
On Friday, 24 January 2020 22:22:15 UTC, Rick C wrote:
On Friday, January 24, 2020 at 1:11:14 PM UTC-5, tabby wrote:
On Friday, 24 January 2020 09:38:01 UTC, Rick C wrote:
On Friday, January 24, 2020 at 4:08:10 AM UTC-5, tabby wrote:
On Wednesday, 22 January 2020 11:35:18 UTC, Rick C wrote:
On Wednesday, January 22, 2020 at 1:32:55 AM UTC-5, tabby wrote:

When do you feel the need to use a light bulb that is shorter lived and uses more power than one that lasts much longer and uses a quarter or less of the power?

the only time now is when using them to limit inrush current. CFLs & LEDs are no use for that. When the ban struck, a lot of people were still using light fittings that couldn't use CFLs, so wanted to use filaments.

What is all the drama bout? Why are people so into "old guy" mode??? "You kids, get off my lawn!!!"

There's just no valid basis to ban people from using lightbulbs. It's entirely political. Hardly surprising it has proven unpopular.

There's no ban.

https://bulbcenter.com/products/philips-229799-100-watt-a19-frost-2-500-life-hours-1-470-lumens-130-volt?variant=28775311736896&currency=USD

If you want them, you can get them.

Just quit making stuff up, ok?

that's in America you twerp.

From the web site...
Contact Us
ADDRESS:
6330 N Andrews Ave
#177
Fort Lauderdale, FL 33309

Why is it you just can't seem to bother with reading something useful instead of believing the stuff you make up???

The lightbulb ban is not something I made up, google it for all the info. Silly twerp.

Ok, one more time for those who really, really just can't seem to even use Google to search for the simplest of information.

The incandescent lamp is in no way banned. The US government says so and I've already shown you that you can buy them which you seem to not have looked at (still linked above from a US company).

"Basics of the Energy Independence and Security Act of 2007, as it pertains to lighting and light bulbs:

It does not ban the use or purchase of incandescent bulbs."

If the US government says they aren't banned, who are you to say they are???

https://www.epa.gov/cfl/how-energy-independence-and-security-act-2007-affects-light-bulbs

Now that we have established that you are too lazy to even Google the topic yourself... here is another link that should explain it adequately so that even you can understand...

https://insights.regencylighting.com/was-there-actually-an-incandescent-light-bulb-ban

I'm tired of spoon feeding you only to have to spit it all back out. I can point you to information, but I can't make you read it and Lord knows, I can't make you understand.

Read, learn, don't... I don't care. But you can't say I didn't prove my point.

NT is perfectly capable of doing exactly that. He is as far up himself as John Larkin, and even sillier.

--
Bill Sloman, Sydney

 

On Saturday, 25 January 2020 02:00:12 UTC, Bill Sloman wrote:

On Saturday, January 25, 2020 at 11:34:41 AM UTC+11, tabby wrote:
On Saturday, 25 January 2020 00:12:39 UTC, Bill Sloman wrote:
On Saturday, January 25, 2020 at 5:34:46 AM UTC+11, tabby wrote:
On Friday, 24 January 2020 12:27:40 UTC, Bill Sloman wrote:
On Friday, January 24, 2020 at 8:08:10 PM UTC+11, tabby wrote:
On Wednesday, 22 January 2020 11:35:18 UTC, Rick C wrote:
On Wednesday, January 22, 2020 at 1:32:55 AM UTC-5, tabby wrote:

When do you feel the need to use a light bulb that is shorter lived and uses more power than one that lasts much longer and uses a quarter or less of the power?

the only time now is when using them to limit inrush current. CFLs & LEDs are no use for that. When the ban struck, a lot of people were still using light fittings that couldn't use CFLs, so wanted to use filaments.

What is all the drama bout? Why are people so into "old guy" mode??? "You kids, get off my lawn!!!"

There's just no valid basis to ban people from using lightbulbs.. It's entirely political. Hardly surprising it has proven unpopular.

There's certainly a reasonable justification for discouraging people from wasting energy.

discourage, sure. Ban, no.

A ban is a pretty effective way of discouraging people. It's not going to be entirely effective, and people who desperately need a filament bulb don't have to buy them from the shops.

discouraging & banning are obviously different things

Obviously. "Discouraging" is aimed at changing consumer behaviour, and banning is aimed at changing supplier behaviour. Different means to a common end.

And is is presumptive to call it wasting energy in the many cases where the choice was use filament versus get & fit a new luminaire.

Wasting energy is quite specific. It may be impractical to avoid wasting the energy, but using a filament lamp is still wasteful, even if you can justify it to yourself.

filament bulbs waste energy. Replacing fittings also uses energy.

The cost of a filament bulb is generally quite a bit lower than the cost of the energy it uses over its lifetime. The amount of energy invested in fabricating a fitting which could accommodate a different light source can be quite low, but what you buy is also driven by aesthetics, so it really doesn't come into it.

Since this time you have been sensible, even if stupid, I'll respond this once. The main energy use does not occur in manufacturing the new fitting, it occurs in the other steps of the process.

And people like NT are great at inventing justification.

And you are 100% not worth continuing to discuss with. You are full of twisted superstupidity, rolled up with your narcissistic toxic trolling. Goodbye you loser.

NT describes himself with exquisite precision - not usually his strong suite.

good night childish narcissist.

 

On Saturday, 25 January 2020 01:49:14 UTC, Rick C wrote:

On Friday, January 24, 2020 at 7:31:33 PM UTC-5, tabby wrote:
On Friday, 24 January 2020 22:22:15 UTC, Rick C wrote:
On Friday, January 24, 2020 at 1:11:14 PM UTC-5, tabby wrote:
On Friday, 24 January 2020 09:38:01 UTC, Rick C wrote:
On Friday, January 24, 2020 at 4:08:10 AM UTC-5, tabby wrote:
On Wednesday, 22 January 2020 11:35:18 UTC, Rick C wrote:
On Wednesday, January 22, 2020 at 1:32:55 AM UTC-5, tabby wrote:

When do you feel the need to use a light bulb that is shorter lived and uses more power than one that lasts much longer and uses a quarter or less of the power?

the only time now is when using them to limit inrush current. CFLs & LEDs are no use for that. When the ban struck, a lot of people were still using light fittings that couldn't use CFLs, so wanted to use filaments.

What is all the drama bout? Why are people so into "old guy" mode??? "You kids, get off my lawn!!!"

There's just no valid basis to ban people from using lightbulbs. It's entirely political. Hardly surprising it has proven unpopular.

There's no ban.

https://bulbcenter.com/products/philips-229799-100-watt-a19-frost-2-500-life-hours-1-470-lumens-130-volt?variant=28775311736896&currency=USD

If you want them, you can get them.

Just quit making stuff up, ok?

that's in America you twerp.

From the web site...
Contact Us
ADDRESS:
6330 N Andrews Ave
#177
Fort Lauderdale, FL 33309

Why is it you just can't seem to bother with reading something useful instead of believing the stuff you make up???

The lightbulb ban is not something I made up, google it for all the info. Silly twerp.

Ok, one more time for those who really, really just can't seem to even use Google to search for the simplest of information.

The incandescent lamp is in no way banned. The US government says so and I've already shown you that you can buy them which you seem to not have looked at (still linked above from a US company).

"Basics of the Energy Independence and Security Act of 2007, as it pertains to lighting and light bulbs:

It does not ban the use or purchase of incandescent bulbs."

If the US government says they aren't banned, who are you to say they are???

https://www.epa.gov/cfl/how-energy-independence-and-security-act-2007-affects-light-bulbs

Now that we have established that you are too lazy to even Google the topic yourself... here is another link that should explain it adequately so that even you can understand...

https://insights.regencylighting.com/was-there-actually-an-incandescent-light-bulb-ban

I'm tired of spoon feeding you only to have to spit it all back out. I can point you to information, but I can't make you read it and Lord knows, I can't make you understand.

Read, learn, don't... I don't care. But you can't say I didn't prove my point.

I am truly mind boggled that you are so utterly stupid. Sorry, just lost for words. Since you haven't figured out the obvious, what the US's position on them is has absolutely nothing to do with it. The ban is rightpondian.

You are really pulling a slowman here.


NT

 

[Martin Brown]

On 25/01/2020 09:07, tabbypurr@gmail.com wrote:

On Saturday, 25 January 2020 01:49:14 UTC, Rick C wrote:
On Friday, January 24, 2020 at 7:31:33 PM UTC-5, tabby wrote:

The lightbulb ban is not something I made up, google it for all
the info. Silly twerp.

Ok, one more time for those who really, really just can't seem to
even use Google to search for the simplest of information.

The incandescent lamp is in no way banned. The US government says
so and I've already shown you that you can buy them which you seem
to not have looked at (still linked above from a US company).

"Basics of the Energy Independence and Security Act of 2007, as it
pertains to lighting and light bulbs:

It does not ban the use or purchase of incandescent bulbs."

If the US government says they aren't banned, who are you to say
they are???

https://www.epa.gov/cfl/how-energy-independence-and-security-act-2007-affects-light-bulbs

Now that we have established that you are too lazy to even Google the
topic yourself... here is another link that should explain it adequately
so that even you can understand...

https://insights.regencylighting.com/was-there-actually-an-incandescent-light-bulb-ban

I'm tired of spoon feeding you only to have to spit it all back out. I
can point you to information, but I can't make you read it and Lord
knows, I can't make you understand.

Read, learn, don't... I don't care. But you can't say I didn't
prove my point.

I am truly mind boggled that you are so utterly stupid. Sorry, just
lost for words. Since you haven't figured out the obvious, what the
US's position on them is has absolutely nothing to do with it. The
ban is rightpondian.

You are really pulling a slowman here.

There might be an EU "ban" on paper but it is trivial to obtain classic
filament bulbs in the UK even now. You just have to buy 10 at a time:

https://www.amazon.co.uk/60Watt-Clear-Standard-Bulb-Base/dp/B0052XXRVY

or in ones and twos

https://www.rapidonline.com/incandescent-bulbs
(they don't have much choice remaining now)

The EU ban (which as of sept 2018 includes halogens) isn't enforced.
They are not in supermarkets or on retail outlets but that is all.

https://www.which.co.uk/news/2018/08/eu-halogen-light-bulb-ban-everything-you-need-to-know/

--
Regards,
Martin Brown

 

On Saturday, 25 January 2020 10:01:57 UTC, Martin Brown wrote:

On 25/01/2020 09:07, tabbypurr wrote:
On Saturday, 25 January 2020 01:49:14 UTC, Rick C wrote:
On Friday, January 24, 2020 at 7:31:33 PM UTC-5, tabby wrote:

The lightbulb ban is not something I made up, google it for all
the info. Silly twerp.

Ok, one more time for those who really, really just can't seem to
even use Google to search for the simplest of information.

The incandescent lamp is in no way banned. The US government says
so and I've already shown you that you can buy them which you seem
to not have looked at (still linked above from a US company).

"Basics of the Energy Independence and Security Act of 2007, as it
pertains to lighting and light bulbs:

It does not ban the use or purchase of incandescent bulbs."

If the US government says they aren't banned, who are you to say
they are???

https://www.epa.gov/cfl/how-energy-independence-and-security-act-2007-affects-light-bulbs



Now that we have established that you are too lazy to even Google the
topic yourself... here is another link that should explain it adequately
so that even you can understand...

https://insights.regencylighting.com/was-there-actually-an-incandescent-light-bulb-ban



I'm tired of spoon feeding you only to have to spit it all back out. I
can point you to information, but I can't make you read it and Lord
knows, I can't make you understand.

Read, learn, don't... I don't care. But you can't say I didn't
prove my point.

I am truly mind boggled that you are so utterly stupid. Sorry, just
lost for words. Since you haven't figured out the obvious, what the
US's position on them is has absolutely nothing to do with it. The
ban is rightpondian.

You are really pulling a slowman here.

There might be an EU "ban" on paper but it is trivial to obtain classic
filament bulbs in the UK even now. You just have to buy 10 at a time:

https://www.amazon.co.uk/60Watt-Clear-Standard-Bulb-Base/dp/B0052XXRVY

those are rough service lamps. The ban has been a mess, with loopholes existing if you don't mind paying many times the price.

or in ones and twos

https://www.rapidonline.com/incandescent-bulbs
(they don't have much choice remaining now)

it's permitted to sell off existing stocks, but no more may enter. Rough service are also permitted - not for general service, but no-one polices that. Note that there are no 100 watters there.

The EU ban (which as of sept 2018 includes halogens) isn't enforced.
They are not in supermarkets or on retail outlets but that is all.

https://www.which.co.uk/news/2018/08/eu-halogen-light-bulb-ban-everything-you-need-to-know/

The ban is an utter mess, but it does still exist and makes getting filament lamps issueful. It has also resulted in the waste of god knows how many fittings & manhours in new build houses. And it was 100% completely unnecessary.


NT

 

[Bill Sloman]

On Saturday, January 25, 2020 at 8:10:16 PM UTC+11, tabb...@gmail.com wrote:

On Saturday, 25 January 2020 02:00:12 UTC, Bill Sloman wrote:
On Saturday, January 25, 2020 at 11:34:41 AM UTC+11, tabby wrote:
On Saturday, 25 January 2020 00:12:39 UTC, Bill Sloman wrote:
On Saturday, January 25, 2020 at 5:34:46 AM UTC+11, tabby wrote:
On Friday, 24 January 2020 12:27:40 UTC, Bill Sloman wrote:
On Friday, January 24, 2020 at 8:08:10 PM UTC+11, tabby wrote:
On Wednesday, 22 January 2020 11:35:18 UTC, Rick C wrote:
On Wednesday, January 22, 2020 at 1:32:55 AM UTC-5, tabby wrote:

<snip>

discourage, sure. Ban, no.

A ban is a pretty effective way of discouraging people. It's not going to be entirely effective, and people who desperately need a filament bulb don't have to buy them from the shops.

discouraging & banning are obviously different things

Obviously. "Discouraging" is aimed at changing consumer behaviour, and banning is aimed at changing supplier behaviour. Different means to a common end.

And is is presumptive to call it wasting energy in the many cases where the choice was use filament versus get & fit a new luminaire.

Wasting energy is quite specific. It may be impractical to avoid wasting the energy, but using a filament lamp is still wasteful, even if you can justify it to yourself.

filament bulbs waste energy. Replacing fittings also uses energy.

The cost of a filament bulb is generally quite a bit lower than the cost of the energy it uses over its lifetime. The amount of energy invested in fabricating a fitting which could accommodate a different light source can be quite low, but what you buy is also driven by aesthetics, so it really doesn't come into it.

Since this time you have been sensible, even if stupid, I'll respond this once. The main energy use does not occur in manufacturing the new fitting, it occurs in the other steps of the process.

A typical NT response. He claims that the main energy loss doesn't occur in "manufacturing the new fitting, but in the "other steps in the process".

As usual, he doesn't say what these other steps might be. From any rational point of view "manufacturing a new fitting" starts with extracting the raw materials and finishes when it ends in a box on the retailers shelf, which doesn't leave a lot of room for other processes, so what he's actually doing is putting up a fog of meaningless pontification and skulking off into it.

And people like NT are great at inventing justification.

And you are 100% not worth continuing to discuss with. You are full of twisted superstupidity, rolled up with your narcissistic toxic trolling. Goodbye you loser.

NT describes himself with exquisite precision - not usually his strong suite.

good night childish narcissist.

NT looking in the mirror again. The childishness involved in his case seems to be some kind of second childhood - there are echoes in his style that seem to have been carried over from a time when he some idea what he was talking about, which must have been quite a while ago.

--
Bill Sloman, Sydney

 

[Rick C]

On Saturday, January 25, 2020 at 4:07:20 AM UTC-5, tabb...@gmail.com wrote:

On Saturday, 25 January 2020 01:49:14 UTC, Rick C wrote:
On Friday, January 24, 2020 at 7:31:33 PM UTC-5, tabby wrote:
On Friday, 24 January 2020 22:22:15 UTC, Rick C wrote:
On Friday, January 24, 2020 at 1:11:14 PM UTC-5, tabby wrote:
On Friday, 24 January 2020 09:38:01 UTC, Rick C wrote:
On Friday, January 24, 2020 at 4:08:10 AM UTC-5, tabby wrote:
On Wednesday, 22 January 2020 11:35:18 UTC, Rick C wrote:
On Wednesday, January 22, 2020 at 1:32:55 AM UTC-5, tabby wrote:

When do you feel the need to use a light bulb that is shorter lived and uses more power than one that lasts much longer and uses a quarter or less of the power?

the only time now is when using them to limit inrush current. CFLs & LEDs are no use for that. When the ban struck, a lot of people were still using light fittings that couldn't use CFLs, so wanted to use filaments.

What is all the drama bout? Why are people so into "old guy" mode??? "You kids, get off my lawn!!!"

There's just no valid basis to ban people from using lightbulbs. It's entirely political. Hardly surprising it has proven unpopular.

There's no ban.

https://bulbcenter.com/products/philips-229799-100-watt-a19-frost-2-500-life-hours-1-470-lumens-130-volt?variant=28775311736896&currency=USD

If you want them, you can get them.

Just quit making stuff up, ok?

that's in America you twerp.

From the web site...
Contact Us
ADDRESS:
6330 N Andrews Ave
#177
Fort Lauderdale, FL 33309

Why is it you just can't seem to bother with reading something useful instead of believing the stuff you make up???

The lightbulb ban is not something I made up, google it for all the info. Silly twerp.

Ok, one more time for those who really, really just can't seem to even use Google to search for the simplest of information.

The incandescent lamp is in no way banned. The US government says so and I've already shown you that you can buy them which you seem to not have looked at (still linked above from a US company).

"Basics of the Energy Independence and Security Act of 2007, as it pertains to lighting and light bulbs:

It does not ban the use or purchase of incandescent bulbs."

If the US government says they aren't banned, who are you to say they are???

https://www.epa.gov/cfl/how-energy-independence-and-security-act-2007-affects-light-bulbs

Now that we have established that you are too lazy to even Google the topic yourself... here is another link that should explain it adequately so that even you can understand...

https://insights.regencylighting.com/was-there-actually-an-incandescent-light-bulb-ban

I'm tired of spoon feeding you only to have to spit it all back out. I can point you to information, but I can't make you read it and Lord knows, I can't make you understand.

Read, learn, don't... I don't care. But you can't say I didn't prove my point.

I am truly mind boggled that you are so utterly stupid. Sorry, just lost for words. Since you haven't figured out the obvious, what the US's position on them is has absolutely nothing to do with it. The ban is rightpondian.

You are really pulling a slowman here.

I can't believe this guy is literally unable to acknowledge being wrong. There is no better proof than the fact that incandescent light bulbs can still be bought and this guy can't seem to use Google.

Nuff' said.

--

Rick C.

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[dcaster@krl.org]

On Saturday, January 25, 2020 at 2:26:47 PM UTC-5, Rick C wrote:

I can't believe this guy is literally unable to acknowledge being wrong. There is no better proof than the fact that incandescent light bulbs can still be bought and this guy can't seem to use Google.

Nuff' said.

--
Except for saying that one can not buy a 60 watt ordinary light bulb in your local grocery store. In other words incandescent light bulbs are effectively banned.

If it looks like a duck, walks like a duck, sounds like a duck

Dan

Rick C.

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[Rick C]

On Saturday, January 25, 2020 at 10:05:03 PM UTC-5, dca...@krl.org wrote:

On Saturday, January 25, 2020 at 2:26:47 PM UTC-5, Rick C wrote:




I can't believe this guy is literally unable to acknowledge being wrong.. There is no better proof than the fact that incandescent light bulbs can still be bought and this guy can't seem to use Google.

Nuff' said.

--
Except for saying that one can not buy a 60 watt ordinary light bulb in your local grocery store. In other words incandescent light bulbs are effectively banned.

If it looks like a duck, walks like a duck, sounds like a duck

Not banned, obsolete. Once people caught on that LEDs and CFLs were practical and cheaper to use, why would anyone want them who wasn't a crank. Buggy whips are not banned and you can't get them at the store anymore either. Silly argument really. The only duck is Groucho Marx doing his duck walk while making fun of you.

Which incandescent bulbs *can* you buy at the supermarket? NONE, because they don't sell enough of them to justify using the shelf space.

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Rick C.

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[Bill Sloman]

On Sunday, January 26, 2020 at 2:05:03 PM UTC+11, dca...@krl.org wrote:

On Saturday, January 25, 2020 at 2:26:47 PM UTC-5, Rick C wrote:




I can't believe this guy is literally unable to acknowledge being wrong. There is no better proof than the fact that incandescent light bulbs can still be bought and this guy can't seem to use Google.

Nuff' said.

--
Except for saying that one can not buy a 60 watt ordinary light bulb in your local grocery store. In other words incandescent light bulbs are effectively banned.

Ineffectively banned, though not rendered all that hard to get hold of.

Something like Prohibition and the war on drugs ...

> If it looks like a duck, walks like a duck, sounds like a duck

It' probably Dan.

--
Bill Sloman, Sydney

 

On Saturday, 25 January 2020 19:26:47 UTC, Rick C wrote:

On Saturday, January 25, 2020 at 4:07:20 AM UTC-5, tabby wrote:
On Saturday, 25 January 2020 01:49:14 UTC, Rick C wrote:
On Friday, January 24, 2020 at 7:31:33 PM UTC-5, tabby wrote:
On Friday, 24 January 2020 22:22:15 UTC, Rick C wrote:
On Friday, January 24, 2020 at 1:11:14 PM UTC-5, tabby wrote:
On Friday, 24 January 2020 09:38:01 UTC, Rick C wrote:
On Friday, January 24, 2020 at 4:08:10 AM UTC-5, tabby wrote:
On Wednesday, 22 January 2020 11:35:18 UTC, Rick C wrote:
On Wednesday, January 22, 2020 at 1:32:55 AM UTC-5, tabby wrote:

When do you feel the need to use a light bulb that is shorter lived and uses more power than one that lasts much longer and uses a quarter or less of the power?

the only time now is when using them to limit inrush current. CFLs & LEDs are no use for that. When the ban struck, a lot of people were still using light fittings that couldn't use CFLs, so wanted to use filaments.

What is all the drama bout? Why are people so into "old guy" mode??? "You kids, get off my lawn!!!"

There's just no valid basis to ban people from using lightbulbs. It's entirely political. Hardly surprising it has proven unpopular.

There's no ban.

https://bulbcenter.com/products/philips-229799-100-watt-a19-frost-2-500-life-hours-1-470-lumens-130-volt?variant=28775311736896&currency=USD

If you want them, you can get them.

Just quit making stuff up, ok?

that's in America you twerp.

From the web site...
Contact Us
ADDRESS:
6330 N Andrews Ave
#177
Fort Lauderdale, FL 33309

Why is it you just can't seem to bother with reading something useful instead of believing the stuff you make up???

The lightbulb ban is not something I made up, google it for all the info. Silly twerp.

Ok, one more time for those who really, really just can't seem to even use Google to search for the simplest of information.

The incandescent lamp is in no way banned. The US government says so and I've already shown you that you can buy them which you seem to not have looked at (still linked above from a US company).

"Basics of the Energy Independence and Security Act of 2007, as it pertains to lighting and light bulbs:

It does not ban the use or purchase of incandescent bulbs."

If the US government says they aren't banned, who are you to say they are???

https://www.epa.gov/cfl/how-energy-independence-and-security-act-2007-affects-light-bulbs

Now that we have established that you are too lazy to even Google the topic yourself... here is another link that should explain it adequately so that even you can understand...

https://insights.regencylighting.com/was-there-actually-an-incandescent-light-bulb-ban

I'm tired of spoon feeding you only to have to spit it all back out. I can point you to information, but I can't make you read it and Lord knows, I can't make you understand.

Read, learn, don't... I don't care. But you can't say I didn't prove my point.

I am truly mind boggled that you are so utterly stupid. Sorry, just lost for words. Since you haven't figured out the obvious, what the US's position on them is has absolutely nothing to do with it. The ban is rightpondian.

You are really pulling a slowman here.

I can't believe this guy is literally unable to acknowledge being wrong. There is no better proof than the fact that incandescent light bulbs can still be bought and this guy can't seem to use Google.

Nuff' said.

Lol, mind boggling. That you can buy some incandescent lightbulbs in the US has precisely zero bearing on the bans in various places but lol whatever. Sorry there's stupid and there's just on your own planet.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phase-out_of_incandescent_light_bulbs


NT

 

On Saturday, 25 January 2020 14:15:12 UTC, Bill Sloman wrote:

On Saturday, January 25, 2020 at 8:10:16 PM UTC+11, tabby wrote:
On Saturday, 25 January 2020 02:00:12 UTC, Bill Sloman wrote:
On Saturday, January 25, 2020 at 11:34:41 AM UTC+11, tabby wrote:
On Saturday, 25 January 2020 00:12:39 UTC, Bill Sloman wrote:
On Saturday, January 25, 2020 at 5:34:46 AM UTC+11, tabby wrote:
On Friday, 24 January 2020 12:27:40 UTC, Bill Sloman wrote:
On Friday, January 24, 2020 at 8:08:10 PM UTC+11, tabby wrote:
On Wednesday, 22 January 2020 11:35:18 UTC, Rick C wrote:
On Wednesday, January 22, 2020 at 1:32:55 AM UTC-5, tabby wrote:

snip

discourage, sure. Ban, no.

A ban is a pretty effective way of discouraging people. It's not going to be entirely effective, and people who desperately need a filament bulb don't have to buy them from the shops.

discouraging & banning are obviously different things

Obviously. "Discouraging" is aimed at changing consumer behaviour, and banning is aimed at changing supplier behaviour. Different means to a common end.

And is is presumptive to call it wasting energy in the many cases where the choice was use filament versus get & fit a new luminaire.

Wasting energy is quite specific. It may be impractical to avoid wasting the energy, but using a filament lamp is still wasteful, even if you can justify it to yourself.

filament bulbs waste energy. Replacing fittings also uses energy.

The cost of a filament bulb is generally quite a bit lower than the cost of the energy it uses over its lifetime. The amount of energy invested in fabricating a fitting which could accommodate a different light source can be quite low, but what you buy is also driven by aesthetics, so it really doesn't come into it.

Since this time you have been sensible, even if stupid, I'll respond this once. The main energy use does not occur in manufacturing the new fitting, it occurs in the other steps of the process.

A typical NT response. He claims that the main energy loss doesn't occur in "manufacturing the new fitting, but in the "other steps in the process".

As usual, he doesn't say what these other steps might be. From any rational point of view "manufacturing a new fitting" starts with extracting the raw materials and finishes when it ends in a box on the retailers shelf, which doesn't leave a lot of room for other processes, so what he's actually doing is putting up a fog of meaningless pontification and skulking off into it.

I see you're too stupid to consider that the electrician coming out to the house to replace the fitting takes energy use. Sometimes further work is also 'needed', consuming more energy. And of course the light needs to be delivered or collected, often with a fair bit more householder looking around (transport). Not to worry.

Yes, I wasn't specific, I assumed anyone familiar with something as simple as the replacement of a light fitting would be aware of what other consumptions of energy were involved.

Yet another moronic troll by slowman. More is sure to follow.


NT

 

[Bill Sloman]

On Sunday, January 26, 2020 at 9:39:07 PM UTC+11, tabb...@gmail.com wrote:

On Saturday, 25 January 2020 19:26:47 UTC, Rick C wrote:
On Saturday, January 25, 2020 at 4:07:20 AM UTC-5, tabby wrote:
On Saturday, 25 January 2020 01:49:14 UTC, Rick C wrote:
On Friday, January 24, 2020 at 7:31:33 PM UTC-5, tabby wrote:
On Friday, 24 January 2020 22:22:15 UTC, Rick C wrote:
On Friday, January 24, 2020 at 1:11:14 PM UTC-5, tabby wrote:
On Friday, 24 January 2020 09:38:01 UTC, Rick C wrote:
On Friday, January 24, 2020 at 4:08:10 AM UTC-5, tabby wrote:
On Wednesday, 22 January 2020 11:35:18 UTC, Rick C wrote:
On Wednesday, January 22, 2020 at 1:32:55 AM UTC-5, tabby wrote:

When do you feel the need to use a light bulb that is shorter lived and uses more power than one that lasts much longer and uses a quarter or less of the power?

the only time now is when using them to limit inrush current. CFLs & LEDs are no use for that. When the ban struck, a lot of people were still using light fittings that couldn't use CFLs, so wanted to use filaments.

What is all the drama bout? Why are people so into "old guy" mode??? "You kids, get off my lawn!!!"

There's just no valid basis to ban people from using lightbulbs. It's entirely political. Hardly surprising it has proven unpopular.

There's no ban.

https://bulbcenter.com/products/philips-229799-100-watt-a19-frost-2-500-life-hours-1-470-lumens-130-volt?variant=28775311736896&currency=USD

If you want them, you can get them.

Just quit making stuff up, ok?

that's in America you twerp.

From the web site...
Contact Us
ADDRESS:
6330 N Andrews Ave
#177
Fort Lauderdale, FL 33309

Why is it you just can't seem to bother with reading something useful instead of believing the stuff you make up???

The lightbulb ban is not something I made up, google it for all the info. Silly twerp.

Ok, one more time for those who really, really just can't seem to even use Google to search for the simplest of information.

The incandescent lamp is in no way banned. The US government says so and I've already shown you that you can buy them which you seem to not have looked at (still linked above from a US company).

"Basics of the Energy Independence and Security Act of 2007, as it pertains to lighting and light bulbs:

It does not ban the use or purchase of incandescent bulbs."

If the US government says they aren't banned, who are you to say they are???

https://www.epa.gov/cfl/how-energy-independence-and-security-act-2007-affects-light-bulbs

Now that we have established that you are too lazy to even Google the topic yourself... here is another link that should explain it adequately so that even you can understand...

https://insights.regencylighting.com/was-there-actually-an-incandescent-light-bulb-ban

I'm tired of spoon feeding you only to have to spit it all back out. I can point you to information, but I can't make you read it and Lord knows, I can't make you understand.

Read, learn, don't... I don't care. But you can't say I didn't prove my point.

I am truly mind boggled that you are so utterly stupid. Sorry, just lost for words. Since you haven't figured out the obvious, what the US's position on them is has absolutely nothing to do with it. The ban is rightpondian.

You are really pulling a slowman here.

I can't believe this guy is literally unable to acknowledge being wrong. There is no better proof than the fact that incandescent light bulbs can still be bought and this guy can't seem to use Google.

Nuff' said.

Lol, mind boggling. That you can buy some incandescent lightbulbs in the US has precisely zero bearing on the bans in various places but lol whatever. Sorry there's stupid and there's just on your own planet.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phase-out_of_incandescent_light_bulbs

NT hasn't noticed that his link is about phasing out incandescent lamps, not banning them. As he says, "there's stupid and there's just on your own planet".

--
Bill Sloman, Sydney

 

[Bill Sloman]

On Sunday, January 26, 2020 at 9:34:25 PM UTC+11, tabb...@gmail.com wrote:

On Saturday, 25 January 2020 14:15:12 UTC, Bill Sloman wrote:
On Saturday, January 25, 2020 at 8:10:16 PM UTC+11, tabby wrote:
On Saturday, 25 January 2020 02:00:12 UTC, Bill Sloman wrote:
On Saturday, January 25, 2020 at 11:34:41 AM UTC+11, tabby wrote:
On Saturday, 25 January 2020 00:12:39 UTC, Bill Sloman wrote:
On Saturday, January 25, 2020 at 5:34:46 AM UTC+11, tabby wrote:
On Friday, 24 January 2020 12:27:40 UTC, Bill Sloman wrote:
On Friday, January 24, 2020 at 8:08:10 PM UTC+11, tabby wrote:
On Wednesday, 22 January 2020 11:35:18 UTC, Rick C wrote:
On Wednesday, January 22, 2020 at 1:32:55 AM UTC-5, tabby wrote:

<snip>

As usual, he doesn't say what these other steps might be. From any rational point of view "manufacturing a new fitting" starts with extracting the raw materials and finishes when it ends in a box on the retailers shelf, which doesn't leave a lot of room for other processes, so what he's actually doing is putting up a fog of meaningless pontification and skulking off into it.


I see you're too stupid to consider that the electrician coming out to the house to replace the fitting takes energy use.

Not a lot, and a lot of the point of compact fluoesecent lamps and and the LED bulbs that are now replacing them is they will go into existing fittings.

NT is much too senile to think about changing light bulbs for himself.

> Sometimes further work is also 'needed', consuming more energy.

Not a lot.

> And of course the light needs to be delivered or collected, often with a fair bit more householder looking around (transport). Not to worry.

Energy-saving individual walk to the shop and get some of their daily exercise in the process. NT needs a motorised wheel-chair

> Yes, I wasn't specific, I assumed anyone familiar with something as simple as the replacement of a light fitting would be aware of what other consumptions of energy were involved.

More twaddle. You posted your usual vague generalisations, and are now making dogs dinner of trying to improvise some sort of justification for the twaddle.

Yet another moronic troll by slowman. More is sure to follow.

NT doesn't seem to notice that he's moronic troll around here - narcissists are blind to their own faults. Rubbing his nose in his own nonsense isn't an edifying operation, but that's house training for you.

--
Bill Sloman, Sydney

 

On Sunday, 26 January 2020 12:16:49 UTC, Bill Sloman wrote:

On Sunday, January 26, 2020 at 9:34:25 PM UTC+11, tabb wrote:
On Saturday, 25 January 2020 14:15:12 UTC, Bill Sloman wrote:
On Saturday, January 25, 2020 at 8:10:16 PM UTC+11, tabby wrote:
On Saturday, 25 January 2020 02:00:12 UTC, Bill Sloman wrote:
On Saturday, January 25, 2020 at 11:34:41 AM UTC+11, tabby wrote:
On Saturday, 25 January 2020 00:12:39 UTC, Bill Sloman wrote:
On Saturday, January 25, 2020 at 5:34:46 AM UTC+11, tabby wrote:
On Friday, 24 January 2020 12:27:40 UTC, Bill Sloman wrote:
On Friday, January 24, 2020 at 8:08:10 PM UTC+11, tabby wrote:
On Wednesday, 22 January 2020 11:35:18 UTC, Rick C wrote:
On Wednesday, January 22, 2020 at 1:32:55 AM UTC-5, tabby wrote:

snip

As usual, he doesn't say what these other steps might be. From any rational point of view "manufacturing a new fitting" starts with extracting the raw materials and finishes when it ends in a box on the retailers shelf, which doesn't leave a lot of room for other processes, so what he's actually doing is putting up a fog of meaningless pontification and skulking off into it.


I see you're too stupid to consider that the electrician coming out to the house to replace the fitting takes energy use.

Not a lot, and a lot of the point of compact fluoesecent lamps and and the LED bulbs that are now replacing them is they will go into existing fittings.

NT is much too senile to think about changing light bulbs for himself.

Sometimes further work is also 'needed', consuming more energy.

Not a lot.

And of course the light needs to be delivered or collected, often with a fair bit more householder looking around (transport). Not to worry.

Energy-saving individual walk to the shop and get some of their daily exercise in the process. NT needs a motorised wheel-chair

Yes, I wasn't specific, I assumed anyone familiar with something as simple as the replacement of a light fitting would be aware of what other consumptions of energy were involved.

More twaddle. You posted your usual vague generalisations, and are now making dogs dinner of trying to improvise some sort of justification for the twaddle.

Yet another moronic troll by slowman. More is sure to follow.

NT doesn't seem to notice that he's moronic troll around here - narcissists are blind to their own faults. Rubbing his nose in his own nonsense isn't an edifying operation, but that's house training for you.

So to sum up, yes of course there are other energy consumptions but you were too moronic to realise.


> NT hasn't noticed that his link is about phasing out incandescent lamps, not banning them. As he says, "there's stupid and there's just on your own planet".

it includes info about the bans. You're a time wasting idiot. Back to the idiot troll filter for you. Lol at everyone walking to the shops. I'm done with your moronic time wasting BS.

 

[Bill Sloman]

On Monday, January 27, 2020 at 8:30:05 AM UTC+11, tabb...@gmail.com wrote:

On Sunday, 26 January 2020 12:16:49 UTC, Bill Sloman wrote:
On Sunday, January 26, 2020 at 9:34:25 PM UTC+11, tabb wrote:
On Saturday, 25 January 2020 14:15:12 UTC, Bill Sloman wrote:
On Saturday, January 25, 2020 at 8:10:16 PM UTC+11, tabby wrote:
On Saturday, 25 January 2020 02:00:12 UTC, Bill Sloman wrote:
On Saturday, January 25, 2020 at 11:34:41 AM UTC+11, tabby wrote:
On Saturday, 25 January 2020 00:12:39 UTC, Bill Sloman wrote:
On Saturday, January 25, 2020 at 5:34:46 AM UTC+11, tabby wrote:
On Friday, 24 January 2020 12:27:40 UTC, Bill Sloman wrote:
On Friday, January 24, 2020 at 8:08:10 PM UTC+11, tabby wrote:
On Wednesday, 22 January 2020 11:35:18 UTC, Rick C wrote:
On Wednesday, January 22, 2020 at 1:32:55 AM UTC-5, tabby wrote:

snip

As usual, he doesn't say what these other steps might be. From any rational point of view "manufacturing a new fitting" starts with extracting the raw materials and finishes when it ends in a box on the retailers shelf, which doesn't leave a lot of room for other processes, so what he's actually doing is putting up a fog of meaningless pontification and skulking off into it.


I see you're too stupid to consider that the electrician coming out to the house to replace the fitting takes energy use.

Not a lot, and a lot of the point of compact fluoesecent lamps and and the LED bulbs that are now replacing them is they will go into existing fittings.

NT is much too senile to think about changing light bulbs for himself.

Sometimes further work is also 'needed', consuming more energy.

Not a lot.

And of course the light needs to be delivered or collected, often with a fair bit more householder looking around (transport). Not to worry.

Energy-saving individual walk to the shop and get some of their daily exercise in the process. NT needs a motorised wheel-chair

Yes, I wasn't specific, I assumed anyone familiar with something as simple as the replacement of a light fitting would be aware of what other consumptions of energy were involved.

More twaddle. You posted your usual vague generalisations, and are now making dogs dinner of trying to improvise some sort of justification for the twaddle.

Yet another moronic troll by slowman. More is sure to follow.

NT doesn't seem to notice that he's moronic troll around here - narcissists are blind to their own faults. Rubbing his nose in his own nonsense isn't an edifying operation, but that's house training for you.

So to sum up, yes of course there are other energy consumptions but you were too moronic to realise.

Trivially small, which NT was stupid enough to think he could use to justify his pontification.

NT hasn't noticed that his link is about phasing out incandescent lamps, not banning them. As he says, "there's stupid and there's just on your own planet".

it includes info about the bans.

Such as they were.

> You're a time wasting idiot. Back to the idiot troll filter for you. Lol at everyone walking to the shops.

That's exactly what I do. Living close to centre of a large city has its advantages, and of course lots of people do live close to the centres of large cities, which is what makes them large.

> I'm done with your moronic time wasting BS.

You much prefer your own, which is understandable, but doesn't say anything good about your judgment.

--
Bill Sloman, Sydney

 

On Monday, 27 January 2020 03:38:16 UTC, Bill Sloman wrote:

On Monday, January 27, 2020 at 8:30:05 AM UTC+11, tabby wrote:
On Sunday, 26 January 2020 12:16:49 UTC, Bill Sloman wrote:
On Sunday, January 26, 2020 at 9:34:25 PM UTC+11, tabb wrote:
On Saturday, 25 January 2020 14:15:12 UTC, Bill Sloman wrote:
On Saturday, January 25, 2020 at 8:10:16 PM UTC+11, tabby wrote:
On Saturday, 25 January 2020 02:00:12 UTC, Bill Sloman wrote:
On Saturday, January 25, 2020 at 11:34:41 AM UTC+11, tabby wrote:
On Saturday, 25 January 2020 00:12:39 UTC, Bill Sloman wrote:
On Saturday, January 25, 2020 at 5:34:46 AM UTC+11, tabby wrote:
On Friday, 24 January 2020 12:27:40 UTC, Bill Sloman wrote:
On Friday, January 24, 2020 at 8:08:10 PM UTC+11, tabby wrote:
On Wednesday, 22 January 2020 11:35:18 UTC, Rick C wrote:
On Wednesday, January 22, 2020 at 1:32:55 AM UTC-5, tabby wrote:

snip

As usual, he doesn't say what these other steps might be. From any rational point of view "manufacturing a new fitting" starts with extracting the raw materials and finishes when it ends in a box on the retailers shelf, which doesn't leave a lot of room for other processes, so what he's actually doing is putting up a fog of meaningless pontification and skulking off into it.


I see you're too stupid to consider that the electrician coming out to the house to replace the fitting takes energy use.

Not a lot, and a lot of the point of compact fluoesecent lamps and and the LED bulbs that are now replacing them is they will go into existing fittings.

NT is much too senile to think about changing light bulbs for himself..

Sometimes further work is also 'needed', consuming more energy.

Not a lot.

And of course the light needs to be delivered or collected, often with a fair bit more householder looking around (transport). Not to worry.

Energy-saving individual walk to the shop and get some of their daily exercise in the process. NT needs a motorised wheel-chair

Yes, I wasn't specific, I assumed anyone familiar with something as simple as the replacement of a light fitting would be aware of what other consumptions of energy were involved.

More twaddle. You posted your usual vague generalisations, and are now making dogs dinner of trying to improvise some sort of justification for the twaddle.

Yet another moronic troll by slowman. More is sure to follow.

NT doesn't seem to notice that he's moronic troll around here - narcissists are blind to their own faults. Rubbing his nose in his own nonsense isn't an edifying operation, but that's house training for you.

So to sum up, yes of course there are other energy consumptions but you were too moronic to realise.

Trivially small,

you have some evidence to back that up?

 

[Bill Sloman]

On Wednesday, January 29, 2020 at 1:24:54 AM UTC+11, tabb...@gmail.com wrote:

On Monday, 27 January 2020 03:38:16 UTC, Bill Sloman wrote:
On Monday, January 27, 2020 at 8:30:05 AM UTC+11, tabby wrote:
On Sunday, 26 January 2020 12:16:49 UTC, Bill Sloman wrote:
On Sunday, January 26, 2020 at 9:34:25 PM UTC+11, tabb wrote:
On Saturday, 25 January 2020 14:15:12 UTC, Bill Sloman wrote:
On Saturday, January 25, 2020 at 8:10:16 PM UTC+11, tabby wrote:
On Saturday, 25 January 2020 02:00:12 UTC, Bill Sloman wrote:
On Saturday, January 25, 2020 at 11:34:41 AM UTC+11, tabby wrote:
On Saturday, 25 January 2020 00:12:39 UTC, Bill Sloman wrote:
On Saturday, January 25, 2020 at 5:34:46 AM UTC+11, tabby wrote:
On Friday, 24 January 2020 12:27:40 UTC, Bill Sloman wrote:
On Friday, January 24, 2020 at 8:08:10 PM UTC+11, tabby wrote:
On Wednesday, 22 January 2020 11:35:18 UTC, Rick C wrote:
On Wednesday, January 22, 2020 at 1:32:55 AM UTC-5, tabby wrote:

snip

As usual, he doesn't say what these other steps might be. From any rational point of view "manufacturing a new fitting" starts with extracting the raw materials and finishes when it ends in a box on the retailers shelf, which doesn't leave a lot of room for other processes, so what he's actually doing is putting up a fog of meaningless pontification and skulking off into it.


I see you're too stupid to consider that the electrician coming out to the house to replace the fitting takes energy use.

Not a lot, and a lot of the point of compact fluoesecent lamps and and the LED bulbs that are now replacing them is they will go into existing fittings.

NT is much too senile to think about changing light bulbs for himself.

Sometimes further work is also 'needed', consuming more energy.

Not a lot.

And of course the light needs to be delivered or collected, often with a fair bit more householder looking around (transport). Not to worry.

Energy-saving individual walk to the shop and get some of their daily exercise in the process. NT needs a motorised wheel-chair

Yes, I wasn't specific, I assumed anyone familiar with something as simple as the replacement of a light fitting would be aware of what other consumptions of energy were involved.

More twaddle. You posted your usual vague generalisations, and are now making dogs dinner of trying to improvise some sort of justification for the twaddle.

Yet another moronic troll by slowman. More is sure to follow.

NT doesn't seem to notice that he's moronic troll around here - narcissists are blind to their own faults. Rubbing his nose in his own nonsense isn't an edifying operation, but that's house training for you.

So to sum up, yes of course there are other energy consumptions but you were too moronic to realise.

Trivially small,

you have some evidence to back that up?

If I was arguing with somebody who knew what evidence was, I'd go out and find it. It would be wasted on you.

--
Bill Sloman, Sydney

 

[Rick C]

On Tuesday, January 28, 2020 at 8:27:56 PM UTC-5, tabb...@gmail.com wrote:

On Wednesday, 29 January 2020 00:59:14 UTC, Bill Sloman
FWIW if we look at the costs, the purchase price of the fitting is usually a minor part of the total cost for the average homeowner to have a light fitting replaced.

Everyone I know would either do it themselves or have a friend come over and do it. Cost: a six pack.

--

Rick C.

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