OT: United States of Feeding Tubes

xray · Mar 24, 2005

On 24 Mar 2005 08:30:37 GMT, Daniel Haude
<haude@kir.physnet.uni-hamburg.de> wrote:

That may be, but if you're not interested in reading the off-topic
political stuff, just don't read it. Killfile the thread.

This is one.

I don't think that the quality of the on-topic technical discussions
suffers from the mudslinging.

Ok. I'll accept your point of view, but I don't really believe it.

Keith Williams · Mar 24, 2005

In article <6it4419oipd0klrltaog2teh41jh8u9svl@4ax.com>,
rianz.15.barryl@neverbox.com says...

On Tue, 22 Mar 2005 06:12:01 GMT, xray <notreally@hotmail.invalid
wrote:

snip

I don't recall all the details, but in essence...
There is a woman in Florida whose brain got fried some years back (I
think it was a high fever and I think about 10 yrs ago). Since then she
has been in a vegetative state and is kept alive by the medical center
where she is. Her husband wants to let her die but her parents want her
kept alive. She didn't document her wishes in writing before this
unfortunate turn of events. It has been fought in courts for years. A
couple days ago the court finally ruled with the husband's view and her
feeding tube was removed.

One thing has always puzzled me about these sad cases. Who picks up
the bill? presumably it runs into $$100's -1000's per day, so it would
soon bankrupt the guardian or next-of-kin. Whats the answer?

AIUI, insurance. In this case, liability insurance for the "accident"
that put her in that state. The husband wants that $$.

Her parents have significant money too, and have offered to take over
responsibility for her care.

--
Keith

Jim Thompson · Mar 24, 2005

On Thu, 24 Mar 2005 08:57:17 -0500, Keith Williams <krw@att.bizzzz>
wrote:

In article <6it4419oipd0klrltaog2teh41jh8u9svl@4ax.com>,
rianz.15.barryl@neverbox.com says...
[snip]
One thing has always puzzled me about these sad cases. Who picks up
the bill? presumably it runs into $$100's -1000's per day, so it would
soon bankrupt the guardian or next-of-kin. Whats the answer?

AIUI, insurance. In this case, liability insurance for the "accident"
that put her in that state. The husband wants that $$.

Her parents have significant money too, and have offered to take over
responsibility for her care.

The media has misconscrewed this all out of proportion.

The settlement has already been paid.

The bulk of the insurance settlement went directly to Terri for her
care.

The remainder went to the husband (as damages) but he spent that also
on Terri.

So, AIUI, there is no more money, period.

May God save us from the God Squad.

...Jim Thompson
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Rich Grise · Mar 24, 2005

On Thu, 24 Mar 2005 09:37:23 +0000, xray wrote:

On 24 Mar 2005 08:30:37 GMT, Daniel Haude
haude@kir.physnet.uni-hamburg.de> wrote:

That may be, but if you're not interested in reading the off-topic
political stuff, just don't read it. Killfile the thread.

This is one.

I don't think that the quality of the on-topic technical discussions
suffers from the mudslinging.

Ok. I'll accept your point of view, but I don't really believe it.

I think of it kind of like a pub - guys[0] go and hang out, and swap
stories, and sometimes talk shop. It's a camaraderie thing. And
yes, it can be terribly cliquish, but so can a pub.

I've found out that filtering out the OT political stuff leaves
really good technical stuff - about five minutes' worth of reading
at a sitting. The rest of the stuff is fun to read between Jeopardy
and CSI. ;-)

Cheers!
Rich

[0] and gals, from time to time, although they mostly get scared
away. ;-)

Chris Carlen · Mar 24, 2005

xray wrote:

On 23 Mar 2005 17:13:02 -0800, Winfield Hill
hill_a@t_rowland-dotties-harvard-dot.s-edu> wrote:

Richard the Dreaded Libertarian wrote...
You can't reason with anti-gun nuts. They're used to abject obedience
to whichever king or emperor happens to be in the catbird seat.
Another helpful post.

The whole subthread is probably a waste of time and politically
oriented, so what exactly is your point, Win?

Actually the whole thread, not just the subthread.

I don't know how the current environment became defacto, but I admit I
participated in the destruction during the elections. I miss the good
old days where off topic posts were mostly personality related and not
political. That continues, but this does too.

The real thrust here is that if you make enough impressive technical
posts, then you are allowed to also make provocative off-topic posts. If
you haven't proven yourself technically, then you are not respected in
your other opinions.

It's a clique just like back in highschool.

You have successfully exposed the delusion that if one is intelligent
enough to succeed at a technically challenging subject, then one must be
wise about matters such as politics, religion, society, etc.

Intelligence != wisdom

--
_______________________________________________________________________
Christopher R. Carlen
Principal Laser/Optical Technologist
Sandia National Laboratories CA USA
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Chris Carlen · Mar 24, 2005

xray wrote:

On 24 Mar 2005 08:30:37 GMT, Daniel Haude
haude@kir.physnet.uni-hamburg.de> wrote:

That may be, but if you're not interested in reading the off-topic
political stuff, just don't read it. Killfile the thread.

This is one.

I don't think that the quality of the on-topic technical discussions
suffers from the mudslinging.

Ok. I'll accept your point of view, but I don't really believe it.

It's pretty much correct.

Who cares what people talk about. Listen to what you like.

Good day!

--
_______________________________________________________________________
Christopher R. Carlen
Principal Laser/Optical Technologist
Sandia National Laboratories CA USA
crcarleRemoveThis@BOGUSsandia.gov
NOTE, delete texts: "RemoveThis" and "BOGUS" from email address to reply.

Mark Jones · Mar 24, 2005

Jim Thompson wrote:

On Thu, 24 Mar 2005 08:57:17 -0500, Keith Williams <krw@att.bizzzz
wrote:

In article <6it4419oipd0klrltaog2teh41jh8u9svl@4ax.com>,
rianz.15.barryl@neverbox.com says...

[snip]

One thing has always puzzled me about these sad cases. Who picks up
the bill? presumably it runs into $$100's -1000's per day, so it would
soon bankrupt the guardian or next-of-kin. Whats the answer?

AIUI, insurance. In this case, liability insurance for the "accident"
that put her in that state. The husband wants that $$.

Her parents have significant money too, and have offered to take over
responsibility for her care.

The media has misconscrewed this all out of proportion.

The settlement has already been paid.

The bulk of the insurance settlement went directly to Terri for her
care.

The remainder went to the husband (as damages) but he spent that also
on Terri.

So, AIUI, there is no more money, period.

May God save us from the God Squad.

...Jim Thompson

The supreme court just denied reinsertion of her feeding tube.

Michael A. Terrell · Mar 24, 2005

Keith Williams wrote:

AIUI, insurance. In this case, liability insurance for the "accident"
that put her in that state. The husband wants that $$.

Her parents have significant money too, and have offered to take over
responsibility for her care.

--
Keith

? She is being taken care of by Hospice.

--
?

Michael A. Terrell
Central Florida

Michael A. Terrell · Mar 24, 2005

xray wrote:

On 24 Mar 2005 08:30:37 GMT, Daniel Haude
haude@kir.physnet.uni-hamburg.de> wrote:

That may be, but if you're not interested in reading the off-topic
political stuff, just don't read it. Killfile the thread.

This is one.

I don't think that the quality of the on-topic technical discussions
suffers from the mudslinging.

Ok. I'll accept your point of view, but I don't really believe it.

Have you seen the MRI of her brain with it compared to a normal
brain? It has shrank down considerably from a normal brain and doctors
have stated that there is no hope of her ever recovering enough to do
anything but lay in bed and keep her alive with a lot of medical
equipment. As much as I value life, this isn't living.

Has your news source mentioned that the video tape was taken years
ago, right after she first came out of the coma?

This has been on the local news for years with both sides ranting and
raving about the issue.

--
?

Michael A. Terrell
Central Florida

Jim Thompson · Mar 24, 2005

On Thu, 24 Mar 2005 10:58:28 -0500, Mark Jones <abuse@127.0.0.1>
wrote:

Jim Thompson wrote:
On Thu, 24 Mar 2005 08:57:17 -0500, Keith Williams <krw@att.bizzzz
wrote:

In article <6it4419oipd0klrltaog2teh41jh8u9svl@4ax.com>,
rianz.15.barryl@neverbox.com says...

[snip]

One thing has always puzzled me about these sad cases. Who picks up
the bill? presumably it runs into $$100's -1000's per day, so it would
soon bankrupt the guardian or next-of-kin. Whats the answer?

AIUI, insurance. In this case, liability insurance for the "accident"
that put her in that state. The husband wants that $$.

Her parents have significant money too, and have offered to take over
responsibility for her care.

The media has misconscrewed this all out of proportion.

The settlement has already been paid.

The bulk of the insurance settlement went directly to Terri for her
care.

The remainder went to the husband (as damages) but he spent that also
on Terri.

So, AIUI, there is no more money, period.

May God save us from the God Squad.

...Jim Thompson

The supreme court just denied reinsertion of her feeding tube.

480)460-2350 | |
| E-mail Address at Website Fax

John Woodgate · Mar 24, 2005

I read in sci.electronics.design that Jim Thompson
<thegreatone@example.com> wrote (in
<jar541151kl5rck3q6lkr5fu5ujbmrvgdo@4ax.com&gt

about 'United States of
Feeding Tubes', on Thu, 24 Mar 2005:

I think they actually simply refused to hear the case

Like Pontius Pilate.
--
Regards, John Woodgate, OOO - Own Opinions Only.
There are two sides to every question, except
'What is a Moebius strip?'
http://www.jmwa.demon.co.uk Also see http://www.isce.org.uk

Jim Thompson · Mar 24, 2005

On Thu, 24 Mar 2005 17:31:37 +0000, John Woodgate
<jmw@jmwa.demon.contraspam.yuk> wrote:

I read in sci.electronics.design that Jim Thompson
thegreatone@example.com> wrote (in
jar541151kl5rck3q6lkr5fu5ujbmrvgdo@4ax.com&gt about 'United States of
Feeding Tubes', on Thu, 24 Mar 2005:
I think they actually simply refused to hear the case

Like Pontius Pilate.

480)460-2350 | |
| E-mail Address at Website Fax

John Woodgate · Mar 24, 2005

I read in sci.electronics.design that Jim Thompson
<thegreatone@example.com> wrote (in
<2v0641lqb13uidell6ghq7debc8q9q4cqh@4ax.com&gt

about 'United States of
Feeding Tubes', on Thu, 24 Mar 2005:

On Thu, 24 Mar 2005 17:31:37 +0000, John Woodgate
jmw@jmwa.demon.contraspam.yuk> wrote:

I read in sci.electronics.design that Jim Thompson
thegreatone@example.com> wrote (in
jar541151kl5rck3q6lkr5fu5ujbmrvgdo@4ax.com&gt about 'United States of
Feeding Tubes', on Thu, 24 Mar 2005:
I think they actually simply refused to hear the case

Like Pontius Pilate.

Exactly.... let the fruitcakes fight amongst themselves ;-)

...Jim Thompson

I suspect a legislative arm reaction against the executive arm
initiative. Maybe?
--
Regards, John Woodgate, OOO - Own Opinions Only.
There are two sides to every question, except
'What is a Moebius strip?'
http://www.jmwa.demon.co.uk Also see http://www.isce.org.uk

Rich Grise · Mar 24, 2005

On Thu, 24 Mar 2005 07:49:53 -0700, Jim Thompson wrote:

The media has misconscrewed this all out of proportion.

misconstrued.

Keith Williams · Mar 24, 2005

In article <pan.2005.03.24.19.05.33.419155@example.net>,
richgrise@example.net says...

On Thu, 24 Mar 2005 07:49:53 -0700, Jim Thompson wrote:

The media has misconscrewed this all out of proportion.

misconstrued.

You misunderestimate Jim.

--
Keith

Jim Thompson · Mar 24, 2005

On Thu, 24 Mar 2005 18:42:21 +0000, John Woodgate
<jmw@jmwa.demon.contraspam.yuk> wrote:

I read in sci.electronics.design that Jim Thompson
thegreatone@example.com> wrote (in
2v0641lqb13uidell6ghq7debc8q9q4cqh@4ax.com&gt about 'United States of
Feeding Tubes', on Thu, 24 Mar 2005:
On Thu, 24 Mar 2005 17:31:37 +0000, John Woodgate
jmw@jmwa.demon.contraspam.yuk> wrote:

I read in sci.electronics.design that Jim Thompson
thegreatone@example.com> wrote (in
jar541151kl5rck3q6lkr5fu5ujbmrvgdo@4ax.com&gt about 'United States of
Feeding Tubes', on Thu, 24 Mar 2005:
I think they actually simply refused to hear the case

Like Pontius Pilate.

Exactly.... let the fruitcakes fight amongst themselves ;-)

...Jim Thompson

I suspect a legislative arm reaction against the executive arm
initiative. Maybe?

480)460-2350 | |
| E-mail Address at Website Fax

Winfield Hill · Mar 24, 2005

Jim Thompson wrote...

It's turning into a rather hilarious impasse. No branch can order
another branch to do anything. Government at its best... stalled ;-)

As it should be when the government tries to get into something
it has no business meddling in, private family medical decisions.

--
Thanks,
- Win

Jim Thompson · Mar 24, 2005

On 24 Mar 2005 14:49:37 -0800, Winfield Hill
<hill_a@t_rowland-dotties-harvard-dot.s-edu> wrote:

Jim Thompson wrote...

It's turning into a rather hilarious impasse. No branch can order
another branch to do anything. Government at its best... stalled ;-)

As it should be when the government tries to get into something
it has no business meddling in, private family medical decisions.

Absolutely! Hey, Win! We're in agreement on something! How about
that!

As I've indicated before, I'm far right on defense and budgets, but
Libertarian (or worse

on personal matters.

I wouldn't even have a problem if you wanted to smoke a little pot ;-)

Have you evaluated those power FET models yet? I'm interested to know
which model is valid, and for what reasons.

In my distant past I built my own subcircuits to account for gate
charge effects in large FETs. But I've long ago gotten away from
power circuits.

...Jim Thompson
--
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| Analog Innovations, Inc. | et |
| Analog/Mixed-Signal ASIC's and Discrete Systems | manus |
| Phoenix, Arizona Voice

480)460-2350 | |
| E-mail Address at Website Fax

Winfield Hill · Mar 24, 2005

Jim Thompson wrote...

I wouldn't even have a problem if you wanted to smoke a little pot ;-)

What, never touch the stuff, or other drugs either for that matter.
Just because I hate Bush doesn't mean I'm a hippie.

Have you evaluated those power FET models yet? I'm interested to
know which model is valid, and for what reasons.

Actually, I just returned from a few vacation days in FL, and despite
many recommendations otherwise, took my new laptop along. And yes,
I spent a few hours poking around with 11 different 2n7000 models.

It's amazing how much difference there is between them. None of them
do well in the subthreshold region. Moreover, a paralleled 6M drain-
source resistor, used by several of them, is not my idea of predicting
low-current performance!

Some use subcircuits and add extra fixed capacitances here and there,
such as Philips' 12.3pF, and Anasoft's 23.5pF or 27.4pF gate-source.
I wonder how they come up with those particular values? Strange,
these folks don't see the value of adding series source inductance.

Some attempt to model fast switching, but sadly fall short. Adding a
343-ohm series gate resistor, as a few do, certainly does not suffice!
And where do they get such an odd precise value? 343 ohms, sheesh!

In my distant past I built my own subcircuits to account for gate
charge effects in large FETs. But I've long ago gotten away from
power circuits.

I'm just ramping up my attention to these models, and am getting more
interested. Tell me more about how you imagine using the FETs...

--
Thanks,
- Win

Michael A. Terrell · Mar 25, 2005

Winfield Hill wrote:

Actually, I just returned from a few vacation days in FL, and despite
many recommendations otherwise, took my new laptop along. And yes,
I spent a few hours poking around with 11 different 2n7000 models.

--
Thanks,
- Win

What part of Florida did you visit and how was the weather where you
were staying? Its been strange here lately. Cold for a few days, then
hot enough to need the AC and some heavy storms and tornado watches.

--
?

Michael A. Terrell
Central Florida

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