OT: UK to move back to imperial units?

[Tom Gardner]

On 29/07/19 13:23, Martin Brown wrote:

On 27/07/2019 17:28, Tom Gardner wrote:
On 27/07/19 16:30, upsidedown@downunder.com wrote:
On Sat, 27 Jul 2019 14:50:02 +0100, Tom Gardner
spamjunk@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote:

On 27/07/19 13:45, Dimiter_Popoff wrote:
On 7/27/2019 15:36, Jan Panteltje wrote:

UK to move back to imperial units?
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/jul/26/the-comma-touch-jacob-rees-mogg-sends-language-rules-to-staff



Now all we need is Pi = 3 (or 4)
How very sad when clueless politicians dictate science,
hope UK leaves EU today.

Absolutely unacceptable, and shows the ongoing chaos,
got to be a sign of an IQ equal to apes.
Ask yourself what is the future for UK now,
this sort of dictatorship seems unacceptable to any sane person,
those lot are hopefully still a majority in the UK.
I am not pleased to learn about this folly.

duh




They seem really desperate to find ways to distract as larger part
of the public as possible from the ongoing brexit nonsense. Imperial
units, "we are an emprie", LOL. Then these tanker conflicts etc.,
it will be interesting to watch if/how they are going to get it
their way. Johnson at no 10 wants to look as ballsy as he can, too
bad he is not as brainy as necessary.... I expect things in the UK to
literally fall apart - to the delight of the Kremlin.

Looks that way.

Serious people are seriously suggesting the UK will breakup
if there is a hard brexit.

I'm sure CD and his paymasters will be delighted.

Even two years ago I could only get odds of 2:1 that the UK
would exist in 15 years time. I wouldn't get odds that good now.

BTW, it is "The United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern
Ireland". Presumably if N Ireland does a "reunification" with
Eire, all domain names will have to be registered as .gb

This would also solve the N.I. border issues.

Precisely.

Though it would make the DUP's heads explode! Putting the trade barrier down the
Irish Sea is the only coherent option that might work.

Given that the DUP is "the political wing of the old testament",
even if I noticed a difference to their heads, I wouldn't care.

But a barrier in the Irish Sea makes the breakup of the UK easier
and even more probable.

If Scotland splits away, I suppose it would be .ew, which seems
appropriate.

The independent Scotland could then join the Northern Council and then
apply for EU and possibly Euro membership.

They would be welcomed, as E Germany was. It would also serve
to demonstrate "better in than out".

It will be interesting (Chinese usage) to see what happens.
The lunatics are now truly in charge of the asylum.

Boris == Bullshit == Brexit

I expect yet another election within three months.

Well, if Boris said there wouldn't be another election,
it will probably happen.

At that point, since I'm too old to emigrate and don't
have any "foreign" grandparents, my only hope is that
other parties can cooperate. I'm not holding my breath.

 

[Cursitor Doom]

On Mon, 29 Jul 2019 13:54:52 +0300, Dimiter_Popoff wrote:

How do they manage to recruit you trolls all of you being cast using the
same form I'll never know.

AFAICS, you're the troll on here. A couple of days ago you were claiming
to be an honest broker but that facade didn't last long, did it? You're
obviously one of the many clowns that inhabit my killfile and you've
crawled out under a new nym just to vent your spleen; you didn't fool me
for a single minute. You're probably Bill Sloman and ICTFP.
"Dimiter_Popoff" indeed LOL!



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Phil Allison <pallison49@gmail.com> wrote in
news:ae70127f-adc5-42e8-b2b9-6c410019cdd0@googlegroups.com:

** There is a wide spectrum of individuals with high, middle
and low functioning examples.

Alan Turing was a high functioning autistic so can be descried
a being "high" on the spectrum.

Ever see the movie "The Imitation Game" ??

Several times.

The actor portraying Turing does a brilliant job.

Hollywood is very good at finding and using very good actors.
You could say that they are a bit of a savant about it.

"Spectrum" kinda implies it's one-dimensional, which is false.

"Spectrum" implies a range. Left, right, high and low do not
apply. Many times lay persons refer to "high function" or "low
function" not knowing what the terms really refer to or if they have
even correctly applied the terms. "High on the spectrum" or "low on
the spectrum" really does not describe anything about it.

** That IS he term used in all the literature.

By the big guys invoking them correctly, yes. I am skeptical of
all downstream of that having much of a big picture clue about what
autism encompasses. I am 100% skeptical of some idiot in a Usenet
newsgroup using it as an insult. And then the dopey dipshit went on
to call them "evil" and explain it. The dipshit fuck is worse than
Donald J. Trump acting just like that idiot does.

There must be a stupid fuck spectrum he falls "high" on.

 

[Chris]

On Mon, 29 Jul 2019 08:00:07 +0000, Jan Panteltje wrote:

On a sunny day (Mon, 29 Jul 2019 08:03:12 +0100) it happened Tom Gardner
spamjunk@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote in
QSw%E.1842520$Ud5.1387111@fx12.am4>:

On 28/07/19 15:30, Cursitor Doom wrote:
Stood alone in 1940 as well as you seem to forget. Not afraid to do it
again, either.

Those that survived sure as hell didn't want to go through that again.

I wonder what would happen if the Daily Sexpress and Daily Wail reminded
their readers that people were strongly encouraged to slaughter their
pets, so their food could be given to humans.

And put to work in the coal mines.

Why not throw in an outbreak of plague as well, just for good measure?

 

[Tom Gardner]

On 29/07/19 13:14, Martin Brown wrote:

On 28/07/2019 07:36, Tom Gardner wrote:
On 28/07/19 02:21, John Larkin wrote:
On Sat, 27 Jul 2019 12:36:27 GMT, Jan Panteltje
pNaOnStPeAlMtje@yahoo.com> wrote:


UK to move back to imperial units?
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/jul/26/the-comma-touch-jacob-rees-mogg-sends-language-rules-to-staff


Now all we need is Pi = 3 (or 4)

2pi = 6 is usually close enough.

Only for woodworking tolerances!

For that you have "soft metric" and "hard metric",
e.g. 6" == 150mm, ahem.

It's a game in our place to do math in our heads, standing at the
whiteboard.

Does that RC time constant affect the loop? Think for three or four
seconds and decide.

Newbies and visitors are impressed.

When I was a kid pi*pi = g = 10, and that was allowed
in physics and chemistry exams.

The other handy one was that there are  ~ pi x 10^7 seconds in a year.

I occasionally say "I'll only be 20 nanocenturies" (i.e. a minute)
or "I'll be less than a nanocentury" i.e. < pi seconds.

Time to resurrect my slipstick

The first course I ran into where a slide rule got you nowhere was
crystallography where answers needed to be 6 sig fig. I had to buy a calculator
SR51. My favourite calculator was my programmable SR59.

My first year exam had a question which required you to calculate
the input and output voltages to a non-inverting opamp with a
gain of 10.

I was one of the few that spotted you /needed/ a calculator to
get the voltages to be coherent.

In physics we were expected to determine local g to better than 3 sig fig to
stand any chance of getting top marks. It was a popular practical exam since it
requires ingenuity to get that precision in a 3 hour exam. More importantly it
required only trivial cheap hardware and good experimental technique.

I still like the standard technique we had to use to
measure voltage to 0.1%: a 2% 50uA meter, a NiFe cell,
some resistance wire, a metre rule, and a Weston cell.

 

[Tom Gardner]

On 29/07/19 13:55, Chris wrote:

On Mon, 29 Jul 2019 08:00:07 +0000, Jan Panteltje wrote:

On a sunny day (Mon, 29 Jul 2019 08:03:12 +0100) it happened Tom Gardner
spamjunk@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote in
QSw%E.1842520$Ud5.1387111@fx12.am4>:

On 28/07/19 15:30, Cursitor Doom wrote:
Stood alone in 1940 as well as you seem to forget. Not afraid to do it
again, either.

Those that survived sure as hell didn't want to go through that again.

I wonder what would happen if the Daily Sexpress and Daily Wail reminded
their readers that people were strongly encouraged to slaughter their
pets, so their food could be given to humans.

And put to work in the coal mines.

Why not throw in an outbreak of plague as well, just for good measure?

Because the other points happened

 

[Phil Hobbs]

On 7/27/19 9:21 PM, John Larkin wrote:

On Sat, 27 Jul 2019 12:36:27 GMT, Jan Panteltje
pNaOnStPeAlMtje@yahoo.com> wrote:


UK to move back to imperial units?
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/jul/26/the-comma-touch-jacob-rees-mogg-sends-language-rules-to-staff

Now all we need is Pi = 3 (or 4)


2pi = 6 is usually close enough.

It's a game in our place to do math in our heads, standing at the
whiteboard.

Ours too.

Does that RC time constant affect the loop? Think for three or four
seconds and decide.

Newbies and visitors are impressed.

I would find it very difficult to design things if I didn't have a
pretty accurate feel for the magnitudes of different effects, e.g. the
parallel capacitance of a resistor.

Cheers

Phil Hobbs


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[Phil Hobbs]

On 7/29/19 8:14 AM, Martin Brown wrote:

On 28/07/2019 07:36, Tom Gardner wrote:
On 28/07/19 02:21, John Larkin wrote:
On Sat, 27 Jul 2019 12:36:27 GMT, Jan Panteltje
pNaOnStPeAlMtje@yahoo.com> wrote:


UK to move back to imperial units?
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/jul/26/the-comma-touch-jacob-rees-mogg-sends-language-rules-to-staff


Now all we need is Pi = 3 (or 4)

2pi = 6 is usually close enough.

Only for woodworking tolerances!

It's a game in our place to do math in our heads, standing at the
whiteboard.

Does that RC time constant affect the loop? Think for three or four
seconds and decide.

Newbies and visitors are impressed.

When I was a kid pi*pi = g = 10, and that was allowed
in physics and chemistry exams.

The other handy one was that there are  ~ pi x 10^7 seconds in a year.

And to engineering accuracy 1 attoparsec = 1 decifoot. (Further proof,
if any were needed, that God is an Englishman.)

Cheers

Phil Hobbs
--
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Principal Consultant
ElectroOptical Innovations LLC / Hobbs ElectroOptics
Optics, Electro-optics, Photonics, Analog Electronics
Briarcliff Manor NY 10510

http://electrooptical.net
http://hobbs-eo.com

 

[Chris]

On 07/27/19 13:36, Jan Panteltje wrote:

UK to move back to imperial units?
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/jul/26/the-comma-touch-jacob-rees-mogg-sends-language-rules-to-staff

Now all we need is Pi = 3 (or 4)
How very sad when clueless politicians dictate science,
hope UK leaves EU today.

Absolutely unacceptable, and shows the ongoing chaos,
got to be a sign of an IQ equal to apes.
Ask yourself what is the future for UK now,
this sort of dictatorship seems unacceptable to any sane person,
those lot are hopefully still a majority in the UK.
I am not pleased to learn about this folly.

duh

What is this BS, the man said that to his staff, doesn't apply to the
whole country.

If you must get your biased fake news from the likes of the Guardian,
BBC or Independent, at least make the effort to verify the sources...

Chris

 

[Phil Hobbs]

On 7/28/19 2:34 AM, Tom Gardner wrote:

On 28/07/19 00:12, John Larkin wrote:
On Sat, 27 Jul 2019 20:23:57 +0300, Tauno Voipio
tauno.voipio@notused.fi.invalid> wrote:

On 27.7.19 15:36, Jan Panteltje wrote:

UK to move back to imperial units?

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/jul/26/the-comma-touch-jacob-rees-mogg-sends-language-rules-to-staff


Now all we need is Pi = 3 (or 4)
How very sad when clueless politicians dictate science,
hope UK leaves EU today.

Absolutely unacceptable, and shows the ongoing chaos,
got to be a sign of an IQ equal to apes.
Ask yourself what is the future for UK now,
this sort of dictatorship seems unacceptable to any sane person,
those lot are hopefully still a majority in the UK.
I am not pleased to learn about this folly.

duh

Including guineas, pounds, shillings and pence?

Why was there a guinea? Maybe a pound made of better grade gold?

So "professionals" such as lawyers and doctors could
charge in Guineas, thus upping their fees 5%

Also fancy tailors.

I expect you will find it goes back to common coinage,
especially before national coins became the norm.

Cheers

Phil Hobbs


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ElectroOptical Innovations LLC / Hobbs ElectroOptics
Optics, Electro-optics, Photonics, Analog Electronics
Briarcliff Manor NY 10510

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http://hobbs-eo.com

 

[Phil Hobbs]

On 7/27/19 6:53 PM, Tom Gardner wrote:

On 27/07/19 20:39, Phil Hobbs wrote:
On 7/27/19 12:35 PM, Tom Gardner wrote:
On 27/07/19 17:19, bitrex wrote:
On 7/27/19 11:04 AM, Tom Gardner wrote:
On 27/07/19 15:38, Joerg wrote:
On 2019-07-27 05:36, Jan Panteltje wrote:

UK to move back to imperial units?
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/jul/26/the-comma-touch-jacob-rees-mogg-sends-language-rules-to-staff


Now all we need is Pi = 3 (or 4)
How very sad when clueless politicians dictate science,
hope UK leaves EU today.

Absolutely unacceptable, and shows the ongoing chaos,
got to be a sign of an IQ equal to apes.
Ask yourself what is the future for UK now,
this sort of dictatorship seems unacceptable to any sane person,
those lot are hopefully still a majority in the UK.
I am not pleased to learn about this folly.


Also, a disdain for mint sauce can result in the revocation of
British citizenship and if a guy doesn't like Extra Special Bitter
that shows lack of pluck so he gets his man card pulled.

For either of those offenses, that penalty would be justified

As for the rest, <exits left, screaming uncontrollably


If you must use mint on lamb you could do this:

https://www.familycircle.com/recipe/lamb-with-mint-crema-tacos/

That's a 404 here, which illustrates good judgement somewhere.


I'd prefer a firey habanero pepper sauce but cilantro and mint makes
a pretty good team

I'm not overfond of capsaicin, but I like it in small amounts.
But it would totally dominate the flavour of good well-hung lamb.

OTOH, mint is a pleasing aroma, and the vinegar cuts
through the fattiness of the best lamb.


Exactly.  Round here French mint grows wild, so we pick a bunch and
put it into the food processor with rice vinegar, a bit of water, and
a tiny tiny bit of sugar.

Yes, just so.

Except my father taught me to hand-chop the mint,
and I still do that out of habit.

Worryingly, I suppose that's like the "leg of lamb"
fable I used to teach my daughter not to accept
things without understanding...

  "Mummy, why do you cut off the end of the leg of lamb
  before roasting it?"

  "Because that's what your granny always did".

  "Granny, why did you cut off the end of the leg of lamb
  before roasting it?"

  Pause for thought.

  "Because the oven was too small for it to fit in
  otherwise".

But I'll also correctly claim that a leafy texture
and partly crushing the leaves is A Good Thing.


Just the thing for roast lamb or lamb chops.  (I prefer chops, because
various-people-who-shall-not-be-named think it's a good idea to put
cloves of garlic in roast lamb.  Blech.)

I like garlic, but wouldn't put it a simple roast.

Spoils the gravy, too. Same for putting halved lemons in the cavity of
roast chicken.

Cheers

Phil Hobbs

--
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Principal Consultant
ElectroOptical Innovations LLC / Hobbs ElectroOptics
Optics, Electro-optics, Photonics, Analog Electronics
Briarcliff Manor NY 10510

http://electrooptical.net
http://hobbs-eo.com

 

[Phil Hobbs]

On 7/27/19 6:56 PM, Tom Gardner wrote:

On 27/07/19 23:29, Phil Hobbs wrote:
On 7/27/19 4:00 PM, John Larkin wrote:
On Sat, 27 Jul 2019 15:39:15 -0400, Phil Hobbs
pcdhSpamMeSenseless@electrooptical.net> wrote:

On 7/27/19 12:35 PM, Tom Gardner wrote:
On 27/07/19 17:19, bitrex wrote:
On 7/27/19 11:04 AM, Tom Gardner wrote:
On 27/07/19 15:38, Joerg wrote:
On 2019-07-27 05:36, Jan Panteltje wrote:

UK to move back to imperial units?
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/jul/26/the-comma-touch-jacob-rees-mogg-sends-language-rules-to-staff



Now all we need is Pi = 3 (or 4)
How very sad when clueless politicians dictate science,
hope UK leaves EU today.

Absolutely unacceptable, and shows the ongoing chaos,
got to be a sign of an IQ equal to apes.
Ask yourself what is the future for UK now,
this sort of dictatorship seems unacceptable to any sane person,
those lot are hopefully still a majority in the UK.
I am not pleased to learn about this folly.


Also, a disdain for mint sauce can result in the revocation of
British citizenship and if a guy doesn't like Extra Special Bitter
that shows lack of pluck so he gets his man card pulled.

For either of those offenses, that penalty would be justified

As for the rest, <exits left, screaming uncontrollably


If you must use mint on lamb you could do this:

https://www.familycircle.com/recipe/lamb-with-mint-crema-tacos/

That's a 404 here, which illustrates good judgement somewhere.


I'd prefer a firey habanero pepper sauce but cilantro and mint
makes a
pretty good team

I'm not overfond of capsaicin, but I like it in small amounts.
But it would totally dominate the flavour of good well-hung lamb.

OTOH, mint is a pleasing aroma, and the vinegar cuts
through the fattiness of the best lamb.


Exactly.  Round here French mint grows wild, so we pick a bunch and put
it into the food processor with rice vinegar, a bit of water, and a
tiny
tiny bit of sugar.

Just the thing for roast lamb or lamb chops.  (I prefer chops, because
various-people-who-shall-not-be-named think it's a good idea to put
cloves of garlic in roast lamb.  Blech.)

Cheers

Phil Hobbs

I said to Mo, "Am I using too much garlic?"

Her response was "Excuse me, but I don't understand those words."

We are celebrating now, because the fresh garlic crop, huge pungent
bulbs, have arrived.

There are lots of recipes where MAGA\h\h\h\h mega garlic is just
right. Roast lamb is not one of them.

Pro tip: Nowadays New Zealand lamb is mostly mutton--way too strong
tasting, and tough as nails.  Get the domestic stuff.

I tend to leave meat in the fridge /well/ past its
"sell by" date. If the best meat is hung for 30 days,
I might as well try to emulate what the butchers ought
to have done.

Yeah, but you have to keep the surface dry to avoid spoilage, and that's
a pain.

Cheers

Phil Hobbs

--
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Principal Consultant
ElectroOptical Innovations LLC / Hobbs ElectroOptics
Optics, Electro-optics, Photonics, Analog Electronics
Briarcliff Manor NY 10510

http://electrooptical.net
http://hobbs-eo.com

 

[John Larkin]

On Mon, 29 Jul 2019 10:12:19 -0400, Phil Hobbs
<pcdhSpamMeSenseless@electrooptical.net> wrote:

On 7/27/19 9:21 PM, John Larkin wrote:
On Sat, 27 Jul 2019 12:36:27 GMT, Jan Panteltje
pNaOnStPeAlMtje@yahoo.com> wrote:


UK to move back to imperial units?
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/jul/26/the-comma-touch-jacob-rees-mogg-sends-language-rules-to-staff

Now all we need is Pi = 3 (or 4)


2pi = 6 is usually close enough.

It's a game in our place to do math in our heads, standing at the
whiteboard.

Ours too.


Does that RC time constant affect the loop? Think for three or four
seconds and decide.

Newbies and visitors are impressed.

I would find it very difficult to design things if I didn't have a
pretty accurate feel for the magnitudes of different effects, e.g. the
parallel capacitance of a resistor.

Cheers

Phil Hobbs

The mental math is analog, like a slide rule, not actual arithmetic.
There are tricks, like crudely approximating a few constants and
reciprocals and logs, that get within 25% or so of the right answer.
That's close enough to decide whether it's worth grabbing a calculator
or running Spice.

Like the old GR "lightning empiricism" game.


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lunatic fringe electronics

 

[John Larkin]

On Mon, 29 Jul 2019 10:14:49 -0400, Phil Hobbs
<pcdhSpamMeSenseless@electrooptical.net> wrote:

On 7/29/19 8:14 AM, Martin Brown wrote:
On 28/07/2019 07:36, Tom Gardner wrote:
On 28/07/19 02:21, John Larkin wrote:
On Sat, 27 Jul 2019 12:36:27 GMT, Jan Panteltje
pNaOnStPeAlMtje@yahoo.com> wrote:


UK to move back to imperial units?
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/jul/26/the-comma-touch-jacob-rees-mogg-sends-language-rules-to-staff


Now all we need is Pi = 3 (or 4)

2pi = 6 is usually close enough.

Only for woodworking tolerances!

It's a game in our place to do math in our heads, standing at the
whiteboard.

Does that RC time constant affect the loop? Think for three or four
seconds and decide.

Newbies and visitors are impressed.

When I was a kid pi*pi = g = 10, and that was allowed
in physics and chemistry exams.

The other handy one was that there are  ~ pi x 10^7 seconds in a year.

And to engineering accuracy 1 attoparsec = 1 decifoot. (Further proof,
if any were needed, that God is an Englishman.)

Cheers

Phil Hobbs

Well, the Bible *was* originally in English.

As Warf said, Shakespeare sounds so much better in the original
Klingon.


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lunatic fringe electronics

 

[John Larkin]

On Mon, 29 Jul 2019 10:06:00 -0400, Phil Hobbs
<pcdhSpamMeSenseless@electrooptical.net> wrote:

On 7/27/19 6:53 PM, Tom Gardner wrote:
On 27/07/19 20:39, Phil Hobbs wrote:
On 7/27/19 12:35 PM, Tom Gardner wrote:
On 27/07/19 17:19, bitrex wrote:
On 7/27/19 11:04 AM, Tom Gardner wrote:
On 27/07/19 15:38, Joerg wrote:
On 2019-07-27 05:36, Jan Panteltje wrote:

UK to move back to imperial units?
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/jul/26/the-comma-touch-jacob-rees-mogg-sends-language-rules-to-staff


Now all we need is Pi = 3 (or 4)
How very sad when clueless politicians dictate science,
hope UK leaves EU today.

Absolutely unacceptable, and shows the ongoing chaos,
got to be a sign of an IQ equal to apes.
Ask yourself what is the future for UK now,
this sort of dictatorship seems unacceptable to any sane person,
those lot are hopefully still a majority in the UK.
I am not pleased to learn about this folly.


Also, a disdain for mint sauce can result in the revocation of
British citizenship and if a guy doesn't like Extra Special Bitter
that shows lack of pluck so he gets his man card pulled.

For either of those offenses, that penalty would be justified

As for the rest, <exits left, screaming uncontrollably


If you must use mint on lamb you could do this:

https://www.familycircle.com/recipe/lamb-with-mint-crema-tacos/

That's a 404 here, which illustrates good judgement somewhere.


I'd prefer a firey habanero pepper sauce but cilantro and mint makes
a pretty good team

I'm not overfond of capsaicin, but I like it in small amounts.
But it would totally dominate the flavour of good well-hung lamb.

OTOH, mint is a pleasing aroma, and the vinegar cuts
through the fattiness of the best lamb.


Exactly.  Round here French mint grows wild, so we pick a bunch and
put it into the food processor with rice vinegar, a bit of water, and
a tiny tiny bit of sugar.

Yes, just so.

Except my father taught me to hand-chop the mint,
and I still do that out of habit.

Worryingly, I suppose that's like the "leg of lamb"
fable I used to teach my daughter not to accept
things without understanding...

  "Mummy, why do you cut off the end of the leg of lamb
  before roasting it?"

  "Because that's what your granny always did".

  "Granny, why did you cut off the end of the leg of lamb
  before roasting it?"

  Pause for thought.

  "Because the oven was too small for it to fit in
  otherwise".

But I'll also correctly claim that a leafy texture
and partly crushing the leaves is A Good Thing.


Just the thing for roast lamb or lamb chops.  (I prefer chops, because
various-people-who-shall-not-be-named think it's a good idea to put
cloves of garlic in roast lamb.  Blech.)

I like garlic, but wouldn't put it a simple roast.

Spoils the gravy, too. Same for putting halved lemons in the cavity of
roast chicken.

Cheers

Phil Hobbs

We recently had dinner cooked by a French artist. I don't like his art
much but the food was great. He puts the heel of a loaf of French
baguette into the cavity of the chicken when he bakes it, with
something else. That's fabulous. His grandmother showed him how to do
that.


--

John Larkin Highland Technology, Inc

lunatic fringe electronics

 

[John Larkin]

On Mon, 29 Jul 2019 15:32:22 +0100, Chris <xxx.syseng.yyy@gfsys.co.uk>
wrote:

On 07/27/19 13:36, Jan Panteltje wrote:

UK to move back to imperial units?
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/jul/26/the-comma-touch-jacob-rees-mogg-sends-language-rules-to-staff

Now all we need is Pi = 3 (or 4)
How very sad when clueless politicians dictate science,
hope UK leaves EU today.

Absolutely unacceptable, and shows the ongoing chaos,
got to be a sign of an IQ equal to apes.
Ask yourself what is the future for UK now,
this sort of dictatorship seems unacceptable to any sane person,
those lot are hopefully still a majority in the UK.
I am not pleased to learn about this folly.

duh




What is this BS, the man said that to his staff, doesn't apply to the
whole country.

If you must get your biased fake news from the likes of the Guardian,
BBC or Independent, at least make the effort to verify the sources...

Chris

Perhaps someone has finally bred a politician with a sense of humor?

John, esq.


--

John Larkin Highland Technology, Inc

lunatic fringe electronics

 

[Phil Hobbs]

On 7/29/19 10:32 AM, Chris wrote:

On 07/27/19 13:36, Jan Panteltje wrote:

UK to move back to imperial units?

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/jul/26/the-comma-touch-jacob-rees-mogg-sends-language-rules-to-staff


Now all we need is Pi = 3 (or 4)
How very sad when clueless politicians dictate science,
hope UK leaves EU today.

Absolutely unacceptable, and shows the ongoing chaos,
got to be a sign of an IQ equal to apes.
Ask yourself what is the future for UK now,
this sort of dictatorship seems unacceptable to any sane person,
those lot are hopefully still a majority in the UK.
I am not pleased to learn about this folly.

duh




What is this BS, the man said that to his staff, doesn't apply to the
whole country.

If you must get your biased fake news from the likes of the Guardian,
BBC or Independent, at least make the effort to verify the sources...

Chris

He's just being a Panteltje. We're used to it round here.

Cheers

Phil Hobbs

--
Dr Philip C D Hobbs
Principal Consultant
ElectroOptical Innovations LLC / Hobbs ElectroOptics
Optics, Electro-optics, Photonics, Analog Electronics
Briarcliff Manor NY 10510

http://electrooptical.net
http://hobbs-eo.com

 

[Phil Hobbs]

On 7/29/19 11:41 AM, John Larkin wrote:

On Mon, 29 Jul 2019 10:12:19 -0400, Phil Hobbs
pcdhSpamMeSenseless@electrooptical.net> wrote:

On 7/27/19 9:21 PM, John Larkin wrote:
On Sat, 27 Jul 2019 12:36:27 GMT, Jan Panteltje
pNaOnStPeAlMtje@yahoo.com> wrote:


UK to move back to imperial units?
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/jul/26/the-comma-touch-jacob-rees-mogg-sends-language-rules-to-staff

Now all we need is Pi = 3 (or 4)


2pi = 6 is usually close enough.

It's a game in our place to do math in our heads, standing at the
whiteboard.

Ours too.


Does that RC time constant affect the loop? Think for three or four
seconds and decide.

Newbies and visitors are impressed.

I would find it very difficult to design things if I didn't have a
pretty accurate feel for the magnitudes of different effects, e.g. the
parallel capacitance of a resistor.

Cheers

Phil Hobbs

The mental math is analog, like a slide rule, not actual arithmetic.
There are tricks, like crudely approximating a few constants and
reciprocals and logs, that get within 25% or so of the right answer.
That's close enough to decide whether it's worth grabbing a calculator
or running Spice.

I do a bit of both. Memorizing a few facts helps too, e.g. for thermal
vias, PTH copper is about 40-um thick and small vias (10 mil) are mostly
copper.

I do a lot of "photon budgets", which are basically feasibility
calculations mostly based on first principles and material properties.
It's a lot easier to know how your design is doing when you know how
good it could potentially be, so you know how close you are.

I've been working like a maniac the last couple of years, but once I get
my third edition submitted, I'm hoping to string a bunch of photon
budgets together into another book. It's a very useful skill that
should be more widely distributed.

Like the old GR "lightning empiricism" game.

Yup. Wasn't that Philbrick? ISTR stealing the idea from a Pease column.

Cheers

Phil Hobbs

--
Dr Philip C D Hobbs
Principal Consultant
ElectroOptical Innovations LLC / Hobbs ElectroOptics
Optics, Electro-optics, Photonics, Analog Electronics
Briarcliff Manor NY 10510

http://electrooptical.net
http://hobbs-eo.com

 

[John Larkin]

On Mon, 29 Jul 2019 12:13:25 -0400, Phil Hobbs
<pcdhSpamMeSenseless@electrooptical.net> wrote:

On 7/29/19 11:41 AM, John Larkin wrote:
On Mon, 29 Jul 2019 10:12:19 -0400, Phil Hobbs
pcdhSpamMeSenseless@electrooptical.net> wrote:

On 7/27/19 9:21 PM, John Larkin wrote:
On Sat, 27 Jul 2019 12:36:27 GMT, Jan Panteltje
pNaOnStPeAlMtje@yahoo.com> wrote:


UK to move back to imperial units?
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/jul/26/the-comma-touch-jacob-rees-mogg-sends-language-rules-to-staff

Now all we need is Pi = 3 (or 4)


2pi = 6 is usually close enough.

It's a game in our place to do math in our heads, standing at the
whiteboard.

Ours too.


Does that RC time constant affect the loop? Think for three or four
seconds and decide.

Newbies and visitors are impressed.

I would find it very difficult to design things if I didn't have a
pretty accurate feel for the magnitudes of different effects, e.g. the
parallel capacitance of a resistor.

Cheers

Phil Hobbs

The mental math is analog, like a slide rule, not actual arithmetic.
There are tricks, like crudely approximating a few constants and
reciprocals and logs, that get within 25% or so of the right answer.
That's close enough to decide whether it's worth grabbing a calculator
or running Spice.

I do a bit of both. Memorizing a few facts helps too, e.g. for thermal
vias, PTH copper is about 40-um thick and small vias (10 mil) are mostly
copper.

We have debated here about whether to pave a copper pour with a lot of
small vias or a fewer number of big ones.

I do a lot of "photon budgets", which are basically feasibility
calculations mostly based on first principles and material properties.
It's a lot easier to know how your design is doing when you know how
good it could potentially be, so you know how close you are.

I've been working like a maniac the last couple of years, but once I get
my third edition submitted, I'm hoping to string a bunch of photon
budgets together into another book. It's a very useful skill that
should be more widely distributed.


Like the old GR "lightning empiricism" game.

Yup. Wasn't that Philbrick? ISTR stealing the idea from a Pease column.

Cheers

Phil Hobbs

Right, it was Philbrick. There's a section in one of Jim Williams'
books about that.

There used to be technology in Massachusetts!


--

John Larkin Highland Technology, Inc

lunatic fringe electronics

 

[Dimiter_Popoff]

On 7/29/2019 15:23, Martin Brown wrote:

On 27/07/2019 17:28, Tom Gardner wrote:
On 27/07/19 16:30, upsidedown@downunder.com wrote:
On Sat, 27 Jul 2019 14:50:02 +0100, Tom Gardner
spamjunk@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote:

On 27/07/19 13:45, Dimiter_Popoff wrote:
On 7/27/2019 15:36, Jan Panteltje wrote:

UK to move back to imperial units?
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/jul/26/the-comma-touch-jacob-rees-mogg-sends-language-rules-to-staff



Now all we need is Pi = 3 (or 4)
How very sad when clueless politicians dictate science,
hope UK leaves EU today.

Absolutely unacceptable, and shows the ongoing chaos,
got to be a sign of an IQ equal to apes.
Ask yourself what is the future for UK now,
this sort of dictatorship seems unacceptable to any sane person,
those lot are hopefully still a majority in the UK.
I am not pleased to learn about this folly.

duh




They seem really desperate to find ways to distract as larger part
of the public as possible from the ongoing brexit nonsense. Imperial
units, "we are an emprie", LOL. Then these tanker conflicts etc.,
it will be interesting to watch if/how they are going to get it
their way. Johnson at no 10 wants to look as ballsy as he can, too
bad he is not as brainy as necessary.... I expect things in the UK to
literally fall apart - to the delight of the Kremlin.

Looks that way.

Serious people are seriously suggesting the UK will breakup
if there is a hard brexit.

I'm sure CD and his paymasters will be delighted.

Even two years ago I could only get odds of 2:1 that the UK
would exist in 15 years time. I wouldn't get odds that good now.

BTW, it is "The United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern
Ireland". Presumably if N Ireland does a "reunification" with
Eire, all domain names will have to be registered as .gb

This would also solve the N.I. border issues.

Precisely.

Though it would make the DUP's heads explode! Putting the trade barrier
down the Irish Sea is the only coherent option that might work.

If Scotland splits away, I suppose it would be .ew, which seems
appropriate.

The independent Scotland could then join the Northern Council and then
apply for EU and possibly Euro membership.

They would be welcomed, as E Germany was. It would also serve
to demonstrate "better in than out".

It will be interesting (Chinese usage) to see what happens.
The lunatics are now truly in charge of the asylum.

Boris == Bullshit == Brexit

I expect yet another election within three months.

*** The lunatics are now truly in charge of the asylum. ***

Hey, this is the best line I have seen so far re the brexit
madness!


Dimiter

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