OT: UK to move back to imperial units?

[Cursitor Doom]

On Mon, 29 Jul 2019 00:59:32 +0300, Dimiter_Popoff wrote:

__Tell us what you do for a living.__
__Then tell us *when* you do it.__

Oh very well, then. I'm the deputy toilet cleaner (night shift) at
Waterloo East rail station in London (not to be confused with Waterloo
Mainline or Waterloo International stations). I've been there for 5 years
so far and when I get to 10 years' service, they'll give me a pair of
rubber gloves and a brush!



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[Bill Sloman]

On Monday, July 29, 2019 at 10:01:35 AM UTC+10, Clifford Heath wrote:

On 28/7/19 2:28 am, Tom Gardner wrote:
On 27/07/19 16:30, upsidedown@downunder.com wrote:
On Sat, 27 Jul 2019 14:50:02 +0100, Tom Gardner
spamjunk@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote:
BTW, it is "The United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern
Ireland". Presumably if N Ireland does a "reunification" with
Eire, all domain names will have to be registered as .gb
This would also solve the N.I. border issues.
Precisely.

While we're on unlikely suggestions, how about Europe modernises enough
that they can compete on their merits and are competitive without the
need for customs excise, then they wouldn't need a customs border anyhow?

Europe has modernised well enough that Airbus sell more airliners than Boeing, and Germany - on it's own - exports almost as much as the USA while having only a quarter of the population.

Europe does universal education rather better than the USA and seems to be rather better at high technology in consequence. ASML in the Netherlands is now the industry leader in optical lithography - a market that used to be split between US and Japanese suppliers.

China graduates even more engineers, but the political system isn't great.

The point about Europe isn't that it hides behind customs barriers but rather than it has removed internal customs barriers to create the kind of very large internal market that even the US has to envy.

Once you've got manufacturing set up to churn out that kind of volume, selling to the rest of the world isn't difficult. Increase your manufacturing volume by a factor of ten and you can pretty much rely on halving the unit cost of each item that you sell. It does help market penetration into smaller markets.

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Bill Sloman, Sydney

 

[Jan Panteltje]

On a sunny day (Sun, 28 Jul 2019 21:24:21 -0000 (UTC)) it happened Chris
<cbx@noreply.com> wrote in <qhl3q5$ase$16@dont-email.me>:

On Sun, 28 Jul 2019 15:59:59 +0000, Jan Panteltje wrote:

No, US was helping.

Not until Pearl Harbour at the end of 1941.

OK, was there not some weapon research exchange UK -US?
Anyways from 1941 onwards is most of the war.
UK was lucky they invented microwave radar (magnetron).
They were very surprised about V1 and V2 rockets, as UK scientists told their
government such long range rockets could not work with gunpowder (true) .
but Germany did not use gunpowder...


A next world war what will it bring? Anti matter bombs, black hole bomb,
time deletion weapons..
EMP weapons, evaporated earth, mind control weapons?

New encryption systems, low altitude nuclear drones...

The best one WILL win.
Zombies left everywhere...
It is evolution.

Empires came empires went, this will also happen to US and UK.
And the wars will continue.
One ant heap against the other.

 

[Tom Gardner]

On 29/07/19 07:36, Jan Panteltje wrote:

On a sunny day (Sun, 28 Jul 2019 21:24:21 -0000 (UTC)) it happened Chris
cbx@noreply.com> wrote in <qhl3q5$ase$16@dont-email.me>:

On Sun, 28 Jul 2019 15:59:59 +0000, Jan Panteltje wrote:

No, US was helping.

Not until Pearl Harbour at the end of 1941.

OK, was there not some weapon research exchange UK -US?
Anyways from 1941 onwards is most of the war.
UK was lucky they invented microwave radar (magnetron).
They were very surprised about V1 and V2 rockets, as UK scientists told their
government such long range rockets could not work with gunpowder (true) .
but Germany did not use gunpowder...

British Scientific Intelligence was aware of the V1 and V2,
although they didn't know the details. See RV Jones' account
in "Most Secret War" - which is still worth reading 45
years after it was published.

A next world war what will it bring? Anti matter bombs, black hole bomb,
time deletion weapons..
EMP weapons, evaporated earth, mind control weapons?

Cyber attacks.

Nobody /knows/ how effective they will be, nor
their effects.

 

[Tom Gardner]

On 29/07/19 01:01, Clifford Heath wrote:

On 28/7/19 2:28 am, Tom Gardner wrote:
On 27/07/19 16:30, upsidedown@downunder.com wrote:
On Sat, 27 Jul 2019 14:50:02 +0100, Tom Gardner
spamjunk@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote:
BTW, it is "The United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern
Ireland". Presumably if N Ireland does a "reunification" with
Eire, all domain names will have to be registered as .gb
This would also solve the N.I. border issues.
Precisely.

While we're on unlikely suggestions, how about Europe modernises enough that
they can compete on their merits and are competitive without the need for
customs excise, then they wouldn't need a customs border anyhow?

Why don't you suggest that to President Rump?

 

[Tom Gardner]

On 29/07/19 01:00, Cursitor Doom wrote:

On Mon, 29 Jul 2019 00:59:32 +0300, Dimiter_Popoff wrote:

__Tell us what you do for a living.__
__Then tell us *when* you do it.__

Oh very well, then. I'm the deputy toilet cleaner (night shift) at
Waterloo East rail station in London (not to be confused with Waterloo
Mainline or Waterloo International stations). I've been there for 5 years
so far and when I get to 10 years' service, they'll give me a pair of
rubber gloves and a brush!

How do you manage that, given that you don't live in the UK?[1]

Presumably you commute from France on the EuroStar. Must be
a bit awkward now that no longer arrives at Waterloo.

Or perhaps that statement of yours is as valid as your other statements?


[1] as you previously stated in

On 27/07/19 19:55, Cursitor Doom wrote:

On Sat, 27 Jul 2019 20:23:57 +0300, Tauno Voipio wrote:

Including guineas, pounds, shillings and pence?

Served us perfectly well for centuries. I for one would love to see them
re-introduced. In fact I might even move back if that happened.

 

[Tom Gardner]

On 28/07/19 15:30, Cursitor Doom wrote:

Stood alone in 1940 as well as you seem to forget. Not afraid to do it
again, either.

Those that survived sure as hell didn't want to go
through that again.

I wonder what would happen if the Daily Sexpress
and Daily Wail reminded their readers that people
were strongly encouraged to slaughter their pets,
so their food could be given to humans.

 

[Jan Panteltje]

On a sunny day (Mon, 29 Jul 2019 08:00:09 +0100) it happened Tom Gardner
<spamjunk@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote in <ZPw%E.1842519$Ud5.1107892@fx12.am4>:

On 29/07/19 07:36, Jan Panteltje wrote:
On a sunny day (Sun, 28 Jul 2019 21:24:21 -0000 (UTC)) it happened Chris
cbx@noreply.com> wrote in <qhl3q5$ase$16@dont-email.me>:

On Sun, 28 Jul 2019 15:59:59 +0000, Jan Panteltje wrote:

No, US was helping.

Not until Pearl Harbour at the end of 1941.

OK, was there not some weapon research exchange UK -US?
Anyways from 1941 onwards is most of the war.
UK was lucky they invented microwave radar (magnetron).
They were very surprised about V1 and V2 rockets, as UK scientists told their
government such long range rockets could not work with gunpowder (true) .
but Germany did not use gunpowder...

British Scientific Intelligence was aware of the V1 and V2,
although they didn't know the details. See RV Jones' account
in "Most Secret War" - which is still worth reading 45
years after it was published.

Only 96$32 hardcover new on mamazon...
https://www.amazon.com/Most-secret-war-R-Jones/dp/0241897467

I have used up me monny to buy a new 10 core 10.1 inch PAD:
https://www.ebay.com/itm/113824132952
To see if it stands the cyber attacks.

 

[Martin Brown]

On 28/07/2019 08:42, Robert Baer wrote:

Jan Panteltje wrote:

UK to move back to imperial units?

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/jul/26/the-comma-touch-jacob-rees-mogg-sends-language-rules-to-staff


Now all we need is Pi = 3 (or 4)
How very sad when clueless politicians dictate science,
hope UK leaves EU today.

Absolutely unacceptable, and shows the ongoing chaos,
got to be a sign of an IQ equal to apes.
Ask yourself what is the future for UK now,
this sort of dictatorship seems unacceptable to any sane person,
those lot are hopefully still a majority in the UK.
I am not pleased to learn about this folly.

The new UK PM is an old Etonian and Buller Boy at Oxford (infamous for
trashing fine eateries and college rooms in drunken rampages).
The cream of British society: rich, thick and clotted.
I wouldn't trust him to open a village fete. YMMV

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bullingdon_Club

When daddy is insanely rich and very influential and you leave the
distraught owner a blank cheque for repairs you can get away with it.

>   WHERE in the F did 4 come from?

The inbreds in Indiana - most notably a crank called Goodwin who thought
he had squared the circle and actually had pi = 3.2 but also interpreted
as claiming pi = 4. They tried to *legislate* the value of pi!

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indiana_Pi_Bill

and

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indiana_Pi_Bill#Area_of_the_circle

His "reasoning" was nothing like logically consistent. A version of the
story appears in a Random Walk in Science and other books of anecdotes.

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Regards,
Martin Brown

 

[Jan Panteltje]

On a sunny day (Mon, 29 Jul 2019 08:03:12 +0100) it happened Tom Gardner
<spamjunk@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote in <QSw%E.1842520$Ud5.1387111@fx12.am4>:

On 28/07/19 15:30, Cursitor Doom wrote:
Stood alone in 1940 as well as you seem to forget. Not afraid to do it
again, either.

Those that survived sure as hell didn't want to go
through that again.

I wonder what would happen if the Daily Sexpress
and Daily Wail reminded their readers that people
were strongly encouraged to slaughter their pets,
so their food could be given to humans.

And put to work in the coal mines.

 

Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> wrote in news:08bcb49a-7cc7-4cf0-
b61a-b605c02decf3@googlegroups.com:

Someone high on the ASD spectrum has no right to any such opinion.

Like you.

Don't be a half-wit. I'm not on the autism spectrum at all.

"High on the ASD spectrum"

The idiot is high on something. There is no "spectral ladder" with
high and low points for the dipshit to refer to.

 

Chris <cbx@noreply.com> wrote in news:qhl3q5$ase$16@dont-email.me:

On Sun, 28 Jul 2019 15:59:59 +0000, Jan Panteltje wrote:

No, US was helping.

Not until Pearl Harbour at the end of 1941.

Bullshit. We were supplying The UK with steel and other war materiel
in 1940.

 

[Dimiter_Popoff]

On 7/29/2019 3:00, Cursitor Doom wrote:

On Mon, 29 Jul 2019 00:59:32 +0300, Dimiter_Popoff wrote:

__Tell us what you do for a living.__
__Then tell us *when* you do it.__

Oh very well, then. I'm the deputy toilet cleaner (night shift) at
Waterloo East rail station in London (not to be confused with Waterloo
Mainline or Waterloo International stations). I've been there for 5 years
so far and when I get to 10 years' service, they'll give me a pair of
rubber gloves and a brush!

Yeah, how very very witty.

How do they manage to recruit you trolls all of you being cast using the
same form I'll never know.

 

[Phil Allison]

DecadentLinux...@decadence.org wrote:

Bill Sloman


Someone high on the ASD spectrum has no right to any such opinion.



"High on the ASD spectrum"

The idiot is high on something. There is no "spectral ladder" with
high and low points for the dipshit to refer to.

** There is a wide spectrum of individuals with high, middle and low functioning examples.

Alan Turing was a high functioning autistic so can be descried a being "high" on the spectrum.

Ever see the movie "The Imitation Game" ??

The actor portraying Turing does a brilliant job.


..... Phil

 

[Phil Allison]

Clifford Heath the Chirping Cricket wrote:

Phil Allison wrote:

DecadentLinux...@decadence.org wrote:



"High on the ASD spectrum"

The idiot is high on something. There is no "spectral ladder" with
high and low points for the dipshit to refer to.



** There is a wide spectrum of individuals with high, middle and low functioning examples.

Alan Turing was a high functioning autistic so can be descried a being "high" on the spectrum.

Ever see the movie "The Imitation Game" ??

The actor portraying Turing does a brilliant job.


"Spectrum" kinda implies it's one-dimensional, which is false.

** That IS he term used in all the literature.

Graeme Simsion's "Rosie" books have helped a lot of people understand it
better. The autistic community especially praised the third "The Rosie
Result" but all three are good fun. I giggled a lot, it's very cleverly
written, from inside an autistic person's head.

** Sounds like a variation on Sheldon Cooper's algorithm for making new friends.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k0xgjUhEG3U

I have two acquaintances who are obviously autistic - one of whom I cannot stand to be in the same room with for long.

The positive PR that seems to be all over the net about autism is impressive.

But I don't buy it.


..... Phil

 

[Martin Brown]

On 29/07/2019 13:24, jrwalliker@gmail.com wrote:

On Monday, 29 July 2019 13:14:53 UTC+1, Martin Brown wrote:
In physics we were expected to determine local g to better than 3 sig
fig to stand any chance of getting top marks. It was a popular practical
exam since it requires ingenuity to get that precision in a 3 hour exam.
More importantly it required only trivial cheap hardware and good
experimental technique.

Was g in that location slightly different from the value found in
the data books?

Unusually yes. Although the smartest students knew the right answer.

It deviated on the low side from the theoretical predictions of the most
commonly used gravity model latitude dependence too:

https://www.engineeringtoolbox.com/acceleration-gravity-latitude-d_1554.html

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Regards,
Martin Brown

 

On Monday, 29 July 2019 13:14:53 UTC+1, Martin Brown wrote:

In physics we were expected to determine local g to better than 3 sig
fig to stand any chance of getting top marks. It was a popular practical
exam since it requires ingenuity to get that precision in a 3 hour exam.
More importantly it required only trivial cheap hardware and good
experimental technique.

Was g in that location slightly different from the value found in
the data books?

John

 

[Martin Brown]

On 27/07/2019 17:28, Tom Gardner wrote:

On 27/07/19 16:30, upsidedown@downunder.com wrote:
On Sat, 27 Jul 2019 14:50:02 +0100, Tom Gardner
spamjunk@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote:

On 27/07/19 13:45, Dimiter_Popoff wrote:
On 7/27/2019 15:36, Jan Panteltje wrote:

UK to move back to imperial units?
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/jul/26/the-comma-touch-jacob-rees-mogg-sends-language-rules-to-staff



Now all we need is Pi = 3 (or 4)
How very sad when clueless politicians dictate science,
hope UK leaves EU today.

Absolutely unacceptable, and shows the ongoing chaos,
got to be a sign of an IQ equal to apes.
Ask yourself what is the future for UK now,
this sort of dictatorship seems unacceptable to any sane person,
those lot are hopefully still a majority in the UK.
I am not pleased to learn about this folly.

duh




They seem really desperate to find ways to distract as larger part
of the public as possible from the ongoing brexit nonsense. Imperial
units, "we are an emprie", LOL. Then these tanker conflicts etc.,
it will be interesting to watch if/how they are going to get it
their way. Johnson at no 10 wants to look as ballsy as he can, too
bad he is not as brainy as necessary.... I expect things in the UK to
literally fall apart - to the delight of the Kremlin.

Looks that way.

Serious people are seriously suggesting the UK will breakup
if there is a hard brexit.

I'm sure CD and his paymasters will be delighted.

Even two years ago I could only get odds of 2:1 that the UK
would exist in 15 years time. I wouldn't get odds that good now.

BTW, it is "The United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern
Ireland". Presumably if N Ireland does a "reunification" with
Eire, all domain names will have to be registered as .gb

This would also solve the N.I. border issues.

Precisely.

Though it would make the DUP's heads explode! Putting the trade barrier
down the Irish Sea is the only coherent option that might work.

If Scotland splits away, I suppose it would be .ew, which seems
appropriate.

The independent Scotland could then join the Northern Council and then
apply for EU and possibly Euro membership.

They would be welcomed, as E Germany was. It would also serve
to demonstrate "better in than out".

It will be interesting (Chinese usage) to see what happens.
The lunatics are now truly in charge of the asylum.

Boris == Bullshit == Brexit

I expect yet another election within three months.

--
Regards,
Martin Brown

 

[Clifford Heath]

On 29/7/19 9:44 pm, Phil Allison wrote:

DecadentLinux...@decadence.org wrote:

Bill Sloman


Someone high on the ASD spectrum has no right to any such opinion.



"High on the ASD spectrum"

The idiot is high on something. There is no "spectral ladder" with
high and low points for the dipshit to refer to.



** There is a wide spectrum of individuals with high, middle and low functioning examples.

Alan Turing was a high functioning autistic so can be descried a being "high" on the spectrum.

Ever see the movie "The Imitation Game" ??

The actor portraying Turing does a brilliant job.

"Spectrum" kinda implies it's one-dimensional, which is false.

Graeme Simsion's "Rosie" books have helped a lot of people understand it
better. The autistic community especially praised the third "The Rosie
Result" but all three are good fun. I giggled a lot, it's very cleverly
written, from inside an autistic person's head.

Clifford Heath.

 

[Martin Brown]

On 28/07/2019 07:36, Tom Gardner wrote:

On 28/07/19 02:21, John Larkin wrote:
On Sat, 27 Jul 2019 12:36:27 GMT, Jan Panteltje
pNaOnStPeAlMtje@yahoo.com> wrote:


UK to move back to imperial units?
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/jul/26/the-comma-touch-jacob-rees-mogg-sends-language-rules-to-staff


Now all we need is Pi = 3 (or 4)

2pi = 6 is usually close enough.

Only for woodworking tolerances!

It's a game in our place to do math in our heads, standing at the
whiteboard.

Does that RC time constant affect the loop? Think for three or four
seconds and decide.

Newbies and visitors are impressed.

When I was a kid pi*pi = g = 10, and that was allowed
in physics and chemistry exams.

The other handy one was that there are ~ pi x 10^7 seconds in a year.

> Time to resurrect my slipstick

The first course I ran into where a slide rule got you nowhere was
crystallography where answers needed to be 6 sig fig. I had to buy a
calculator SR51. My favourite calculator was my programmable SR59.

In physics we were expected to determine local g to better than 3 sig
fig to stand any chance of getting top marks. It was a popular practical
exam since it requires ingenuity to get that precision in a 3 hour exam.
More importantly it required only trivial cheap hardware and good
experimental technique.

--
Regards,
Martin Brown