OT: That didn't take very long!

On 6/17/19 5:25 AM, Michael Terrell wrote:
On Sunday, June 16, 2019 at 5:14:36 PM UTC-4, bitrex wrote:

Guy buys a book to not read it. Gosh if everyone bought books to not
read them it would be a great economic time to be a book-seller regardless.

Guy thinks he knows everything. You've never both something as a joke? You run joke candidates, and think you are so smart.

There was a new article on the radio a few days ago. It was about eliminating the fuel tax, and taxing you on the miles you drive. It's about time that the EVs and Biofuel tax cheats start paying their fair share of the cost for roads and bridges.

Many Americans seem determined to be the Middle East's and OPEC's bitch
their whole lives but I'm not into it myself.
 
>However, there are plenty of references on how Trump is already >sneaking past the Constitution, and how he regards XI as King and >maybe he should give it a shot:

Where, in a fucking looney bin where you probably are ?

I DO read links, up with one or stand uncredible.

Who the fuck think... nevermind just get a link, one valid quote. I might even accept a youtube video if it is of HIM saying it.

You aren't going to do that because you CAN'T.

Put up or shut up.
 
>Hitler didn't believe he was always right, at least not >privately, he was wracked by guilt and self-doubt constantly.

And you know this how ?
 
On Monday, June 17, 2019 at 8:53:49 PM UTC-7, John Larkin wrote:

> Of course most people aren't rational. That includes most economists.

Most people I've met are rational on a variety of subjects. I don't know
many economists, and doubt that you have a good basis for such a judgment.

Merchants of hot air can discuss economics without making any sense, but that's
not a relevant datum.
 
>Even people who favor getting rid of birthright citizenship for >the children of illegal immigrants tend to agree it’s not >possible without a constitutional amendment or, at the very >least, an act of Congress.

They can remove someone's citizenship, if they can do that they can stop the birthright citizenship. But then, rather than let the fuck with the Constitution, which gives me the willies because they are such fuckers, just keep the pregnant Women the fuck out.

Easy. Common sense. (oh that's why they don't do it) Effective. (now they'll never do it)

Amma tellya gin. I do not want those who have no skills, no jobs, no desire to become one of us, have no intention of learning the language, got a bunch of kids they can't feed and a bunch of diseases we haven't seen since the dark ages.

If you do, GET OUT.
 
On 6/18/19 1:24 AM, jurb6006@gmail.com wrote:
Hitler didn't believe he was always right, at least not >privately, he was wracked by guilt and self-doubt constantly.

And you know this how ?

Other bizzare things Goebbels wrote:

"Lenin is the greatest man, second only to Hitler, and that the
difference between Communism and the Hitler faith is very slight."

??????? he was for it before he was against it I guess

"Capitalism is the immoral distribution of capital… Germany will become
free at that moment when the thirty millions on the left and the thirty
millions on the right make common cause. Only one movement is capable of
doing this: National Socialism, embodied in one Führer – Adolf Hitler."

???????? ok I guess the gays aren't invited though.
 
On Tuesday, June 18, 2019 at 1:42:10 AM UTC-4, jurb...@gmail.com wrote:
Even people who favor getting rid of birthright citizenship for >the children of illegal immigrants tend to agree it’s not >possible without a constitutional amendment or, at the very >least, an act of Congress.

They can remove someone's citizenship, if they can do that they can stop the birthright citizenship. But then, rather than let the fuck with the Constitution, which gives me the willies because they are such fuckers, just keep the pregnant Women the fuck out.

I'll push for a Constitutional amendment to end birthright citizenship if it is made retroactive to the time of the colonies first formation. No one who was not born in this country of two parents who were already citizens shall be given citizenship. This will require everyone in the country who is of foreign decent to PROVE they are here legitimately.


Easy. Common sense. (oh that's why they don't do it) Effective. (now they'll never do it)

Amma tellya gin. I do not want those who have no skills, no jobs, no desire to become one of us, have no intention of learning the language, got a bunch of kids they can't feed and a bunch of diseases we haven't seen since the dark ages.

If you do, GET OUT.

I'll vote for this if we apply it to all equally. So when we apply the job test to retirees they will be kicked out the country. Think of all the money we will save on Medicare!

--

Rick C.

++- Get 1,000 miles of free Supercharging
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On Monday, June 17, 2019 at 9:40:13 PM UTC-4, mpm wrote:
On Monday, June 17, 2019 at 9:05:17 PM UTC-4, Michael Terrell wrote:

I am on two 1000mG tablets a day, ...

That's what I thought.
I'm on 500 mG, twice a day (before lunch and dinner), but I nearly always forget to take the dose at dinner. I suspect I am under-dosed, somewhat self-inflicted.

Try cutting one of them in half, and take half at lunch, with the other at suppertime. It's easier to remember if you take it with every meal, and it reduces the urge to overeat. I learned that when I started taking Metformin, but by the time I had been diagnosed with Diabetes, it had already damaged my already poor vision. It was below 20/200 and 20/400 when I was drafted.. Several years of being bed ridden, and undiagnosed only made it worse. Spreading it out over three meals leaves a more consistant supply in your bloodstream, and you don't need as much late in the day, unless you are very active after supper. This was how I quickly took my A1C from >11.0 to an average of 7.0. I also prefer the Glipizide. You take it a half hour before you eat, so it is already getting into your bloodstream before you eat.

My problem these days is eating enough. Your body reduces your energy level, rather than burning fat, if you are no longer able to remain active. Your blood sugar can spike, then drop to a dangerously low level. I have had mine drop to the low to mid 60 s range a few times, during the forced evacuations from hurricanes. I now leave a few dry, high sugar items in my truck, for emergencies like these. They sell those overpriced Glucose tablets, but I prefer the 'Bob's Sweet Stripes' candies. They are 20 calories of sugar, and they dissolve quickly when your Glucose level is too low.

https://www.samsclub.com/sams/bob-s-sweet-stripes-350-ct-tub-square/prod19770111.ip

BTW, if they ever do put you on Insulin, those plastic tubes from Glucose tablets are perfect to store an opened bottle in.

I also have a tiny 12V cooler to store mine in, during power outages.
 
bitrex <user@example.net> wrote in
news:jkZNE.41732$IQ6.15366@fx09.iad:

Many Americans seem determined to be the Middle East's and OPEC's
bitch their whole lives but I'm not into it myself.

I have ridden a bike for the last 35 years. Everywhere.

City moves used cars or plane trips, but aside form that, it has
been my legs.

The sad thing I noticed is that Clinton's alternate fuels tax
breaks are not there for my ass as an alternate fuel. That is truly
sad because even alternate fuels have a footprint. Fuels are used
to generate the power used to charge them.

My old Diesel Jetta gt 42 MPG the way I drove it.

Cars do not need to be built like the muscle cars. They can be a
lot more efficient.

But man those cars are what set Americans apart. Cheep,
affordable, and powerful.

Not a Ferrari, but we do not see them spitting out hundreds of
thousands of cars a year either.
 
Michael Terrell <terrell.michael.a@gmail.com> wrote in
news:a029785f-839b-40ab-b45a-1f6a31f17f26@googlegroups.com:

On Monday, June 17, 2019 at 3:57:29 PM UTC-4, Steve Wilson wrote:
John Larkin wrote:

Their most dangerous conviction was that they were always right
about everything and should therefore control everything.

The least dangerous thing that attitude causes is to wreck the
economy.

Sounds like Trump.

He now wants to change the constitution so he can become king for
life!

America has never had a king, no matter what your perverted
fantasies desire to be true.

Not a big lingual dude, eh. You are a sad example of an American
with a perverted grasp of reality.

A President can't change the US
Constitutions,

There is only ONE, you stupid putz.

no matter how much you wish we were lead by fools
like you are.

Wow. You are an English master... NOT!

Amendments take a long, time consuming process, not
Obama's 'Pen and phone'.

Man, you party centric retards are what is fucking this nation up.
I would not want to be friends with any overtly fucking opinionated
jerk like you.

You cannot even wrote a correct sentence and you want us to
believe that you have a grasp of how things get done in Washington?

Yeah right. Go back to whatever you did for the last two years
while you were gone from here. You were not missed.



>
 
jurb6006@gmail.com wrote in
news:f97ba972-0a34-4056-94e4-806aa064008b@googlegroups.com:

However, there are plenty of references on how Trump is already
sneaking past the Constitution, and how he regards XI as King and
maybe he should give it a shot:

Where, in a fucking looney bin where you probably are ?

I DO read links, up with one or stand uncredible.

Who the fuck think... nevermind just get a link, one valid quote.
I might even accept a youtube video if it is of HIM saying it.

You aren't going to do that because you CAN'T.

Put up or shut up.

Wow. What a child you are. You should change your name from
jurb6006 to TrumpTard666.

Did you go to the Sarah Huckabee Sanders school of blind loyalty
and ignorance?
 
On Tuesday, June 18, 2019 at 5:53:49 AM UTC+2, John Larkin wrote:
On Tue, 18 Jun 2019 01:51:43 +0100, Tom Gardner
spamjunk@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote:

On 18/06/19 01:33, John Larkin wrote:
On Tue, 18 Jun 2019 01:08:46 +0100, Tom Gardner
spamjunk@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote:

On 17/06/19 20:51, John Larkin wrote:
On Mon, 17 Jun 2019 14:54:28 -0400, bitrex <user@example.net> wrote:

On 6/17/19 12:50 PM, Tom Gardner wrote:
On 17/06/19 17:45, John Larkin wrote:
On Mon, 17 Jun 2019 17:21:25 +0100, Tom Gardner
spamjunk@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote:

On 17/06/19 16:29, John Larkin wrote:

<snip>

Their most dangerous conviction was that they were always right about
everything and should therefore control everything.

The same is true of rampant free-marketeers and libertarians.

But they have to compete. And we have elections.

The least dangerous thing that attitude causes is to wreck the
economy.

Unfortunately rampant capitalism (and their accountants
and MBAs) /did/ wreck the economy.

"Capitalism" was a slur invented by Marx. We don't live in a world
dominated by Capital. I don't think anyone ever has.

Even if correct, that wouldn't change the principal
point.

Capitalists /did/ wreck the economy.

Is the economy wrecked?

Most of us noticed the global financial crisis - which grew out of the US sub-prime mortgage crisis.

It certainly wrecked the international economy, and only a liberal dose of neo-Keynesian deficit-funded pump priming stopped a re-run of the Great Depression.

> I hadn't noticed. Which Capitalists did that?

John Larkin did notice, but didn't understand what was going on. The capitalists in the US fringe banking business who dealt out "sub-prime" mortages to people who weren't going to be able to pay them off are directly responsible, but the people who packaged the sub-prime mortgages and sold them on as if they were tradable commodities are probably equally cupable. None of them have been prosecuted.

In a free economy, of course people are allowed to have herd instincts
and do collective stupid things.

The free-marketeers and economists base their understanding
on the concept that people make rational decisions. The more
intelligent specimens of those communities are only just
beginning to understand how flawed that is.

Of course most people aren't rational. That includes most economists.

The economists who chose to act as if they beleive that free market participants are purely rational agents have a perfectly rational justification for their attitude - it gets them patronage from the wealthy, who like the twaddle that these "economists" produce.

John Larkin uttering judgements about other people's rationality is trifle comical.

He has the irrational belief that what he reads on denialist propaganda web-sites is true, while the climate science community is engaged in some kind of confidence trick.

--
Bill Sloman, Sydney
 
On Tuesday, June 18, 2019 at 2:51:47 AM UTC+2, Tom Gardner wrote:
On 18/06/19 01:33, John Larkin wrote:
On Tue, 18 Jun 2019 01:08:46 +0100, Tom Gardner
spamjunk@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote:

On 17/06/19 20:51, John Larkin wrote:
On Mon, 17 Jun 2019 14:54:28 -0400, bitrex <user@example.net> wrote:

On 6/17/19 12:50 PM, Tom Gardner wrote:
On 17/06/19 17:45, John Larkin wrote:
On Mon, 17 Jun 2019 17:21:25 +0100, Tom Gardner
spamjunk@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote:

On 17/06/19 16:29, John Larkin wrote:

<snip>

Unfortunately rampant capitalism (and their accountants
and MBAs) /did/ wreck the economy.

"Capitalism" was a slur invented by Marx. We don't live in a world
dominated by Capital. I don't think anyone ever has.

Even if correct, that wouldn't change the principal
point.

Capitalists /did/ wreck the economy.


In a free economy, of course people are allowed to have herd instincts
and do collective stupid things.

The free-marketeers and economists base their understanding
on the concept that people make rational decisions. The more
intelligent specimens of those communities are only just
beginning to understand how flawed that is.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Daniel_Kahneman

In fact Keynes made the point in the 1930's, and most economists got the message. The economists who were in the business of telling the rich what they wanted to hear carefully failed to get the message, and did well out of telling their wealthy patrons what they wanted to hear.

It is true that the rational market participant lets you set up mathematically tractable economic models, but since these tractable models have very limited predictive power, they aren't exactly useful (except for justify policies that suit the well-off).

--
Bill Sloman, Sydney
 
On Monday, June 17, 2019 at 11:52:05 PM UTC+2, John Larkin wrote:
On Mon, 17 Jun 2019 19:57:25 GMT, Steve Wilson <no@spam.com> wrote:

John Larkin <jjlarkin@highland_snip_technology.com> wrote:

Their most dangerous conviction was that they were always right about
everything and should therefore control everything.

The least dangerous thing that attitude causes is to wreck the
economy.

Sounds like Trump.

Not a bit. He is reducing government regulation.

More giving fat cats more opportunities to rip off the rest of the country.

He now wants to change the constitution so he can become king for life!

Really?

Sounds plausible. Trump doesn't have a particularly firm grip of reality (which is one of the reasons he lies so much).

--
Bill Sloman, Sydney
 
On 18/06/19 04:53, John Larkin wrote:
On Tue, 18 Jun 2019 01:51:43 +0100, Tom Gardner
spamjunk@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote:

On 18/06/19 01:33, John Larkin wrote:
On Tue, 18 Jun 2019 01:08:46 +0100, Tom Gardner
spamjunk@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote:

On 17/06/19 20:51, John Larkin wrote:
On Mon, 17 Jun 2019 14:54:28 -0400, bitrex <user@example.net> wrote:

On 6/17/19 12:50 PM, Tom Gardner wrote:
On 17/06/19 17:45, John Larkin wrote:
On Mon, 17 Jun 2019 17:21:25 +0100, Tom Gardner
spamjunk@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote:

On 17/06/19 16:29, John Larkin wrote:
The great mass murders of the last century, a couple hundred million
starved and murdered, were engineered by socialists.

Except for those in that centuries, previous centuries,
and the current century that can only be described as
capitalists - and who embody and demonstrate traditional
libertarian ideals.

I was thinking of Stalin, Hitler, Mao, Pol Pot, Kim, Castro, Maduro.
Who did you have in mind?

Those people were indeed grade one bastards.

Slavers are the obvious example.

But there are many less extreme ones. All you have to do
is look at the fascist and/or religious dictatorships.



JL isn't particularly hip to the influence time or culture in his
analysis of world history; in his universe Hitler and Stalin and Mao
became "socialist" one day and all evil sprung out of that one decision,
and not the fact that these were people who had an enormously effective
personality cult surrounding them and that their attraction to the
people, the masses of millions of people who desperately wanted them to
be in power (at least for a while), was almost entirely divorced from
what they actually believed about organizing a society.

What were Hitler, Stalin, and Mao's actual convictions on what
principles should be used to organize a society? Well if you read their
writings what you'll notice is that for the most part it seems like they
didn't really have many. Or at least nothing particularly consistent. It
varied with time and political necessity. The only really consistent
thing about them was that they were inconsistent in what they believed
about things

Their most dangerous conviction was that they were always right about
everything and should therefore control everything.

The same is true of rampant free-marketeers and libertarians.

But they have to compete. And we have elections.



The least dangerous thing that attitude causes is to wreck the
economy.

Unfortunately rampant capitalism (and their accountants
and MBAs) /did/ wreck the economy.

"Capitalism" was a slur invented by Marx. We don't live in a world
dominated by Capital. I don't think anyone ever has.

Even if correct, that wouldn't change the principal
point.

Capitalists /did/ wreck the economy.

Is the economy wrecked? I hadn't noticed. Which Capitalists did that?

Didn't you notice the 2007 crash? Many people did,
and many are still suffering from the consequences.

Which capitalists did that? Those that created CDAs
and lent money to people that were never going to be
able to afford repayments. When it went pear-shaped
they walked away and let you, me and our children
pick up and repay the debts.

The people that did that were accountants and MBAs
and bankers, and I doubt even a brain-dead libertarian
would think they were socialists or communists.

As the wags put it, "Osama bin Laden would have been
more effective if he had been a banker".


Another example, currently playing out...

My cousin works for a large aerospace company, and
they are in the process of being merged with another
aerospace company to make synergistic savings.
Unfortunately there is no overlap between the two
companies, so there is no duplication to remove.

Nonetheless savings must be made, presumably to
repay the highly leveraged buyout. So significant
profitable business is being canned. In future
the work will be done overseas.


In a free economy, of course people are allowed to have herd instincts
and do collective stupid things.

The free-marketeers and economists base their understanding
on the concept that people make rational decisions. The more
intelligent specimens of those communities are only just
beginning to understand how flawed that is.

Of course most people aren't rational. That includes most economists.

Their theories and predictions tend to presume that,
and people act on the false presumption.

What could possibly go wrong?
 
On Tue, 18 Jun 2019 13:19:31 +0100, Tom Gardner
<spamjunk@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote:

On 18/06/19 04:53, John Larkin wrote:
On Tue, 18 Jun 2019 01:51:43 +0100, Tom Gardner
spamjunk@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote:

On 18/06/19 01:33, John Larkin wrote:
On Tue, 18 Jun 2019 01:08:46 +0100, Tom Gardner
spamjunk@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote:

On 17/06/19 20:51, John Larkin wrote:
On Mon, 17 Jun 2019 14:54:28 -0400, bitrex <user@example.net> wrote:

On 6/17/19 12:50 PM, Tom Gardner wrote:
On 17/06/19 17:45, John Larkin wrote:
On Mon, 17 Jun 2019 17:21:25 +0100, Tom Gardner
spamjunk@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote:

On 17/06/19 16:29, John Larkin wrote:
The great mass murders of the last century, a couple hundred million
starved and murdered, were engineered by socialists.

Except for those in that centuries, previous centuries,
and the current century that can only be described as
capitalists - and who embody and demonstrate traditional
libertarian ideals.

I was thinking of Stalin, Hitler, Mao, Pol Pot, Kim, Castro, Maduro.
Who did you have in mind?

Those people were indeed grade one bastards.

Slavers are the obvious example.

But there are many less extreme ones. All you have to do
is look at the fascist and/or religious dictatorships.



JL isn't particularly hip to the influence time or culture in his
analysis of world history; in his universe Hitler and Stalin and Mao
became "socialist" one day and all evil sprung out of that one decision,
and not the fact that these were people who had an enormously effective
personality cult surrounding them and that their attraction to the
people, the masses of millions of people who desperately wanted them to
be in power (at least for a while), was almost entirely divorced from
what they actually believed about organizing a society.

What were Hitler, Stalin, and Mao's actual convictions on what
principles should be used to organize a society? Well if you read their
writings what you'll notice is that for the most part it seems like they
didn't really have many. Or at least nothing particularly consistent. It
varied with time and political necessity. The only really consistent
thing about them was that they were inconsistent in what they believed
about things

Their most dangerous conviction was that they were always right about
everything and should therefore control everything.

The same is true of rampant free-marketeers and libertarians.

But they have to compete. And we have elections.



The least dangerous thing that attitude causes is to wreck the
economy.

Unfortunately rampant capitalism (and their accountants
and MBAs) /did/ wreck the economy.

"Capitalism" was a slur invented by Marx. We don't live in a world
dominated by Capital. I don't think anyone ever has.

Even if correct, that wouldn't change the principal
point.

Capitalists /did/ wreck the economy.

Is the economy wrecked? I hadn't noticed. Which Capitalists did that?

Didn't you notice the 2007 crash? Many people did,
and many are still suffering from the consequences.

That was mostly a real estate bubble with a lot of paper profits and
paper losses.

It was driven by Fanny and Freddy here, quasi-government entities.
They encouraged banks to lend, so the banks did. Capitalist banks
never would have made the insane loans that they did if they couldn't
hand off the rotten packages to the government.







Which capitalists did that? Those that created CDAs
and lent money to people that were never going to be
able to afford repayments. When it went pear-shaped
they walked away and let you, me and our children
pick up and repay the debts.

The people that did that were accountants and MBAs
and bankers, and I doubt even a brain-dead libertarian
would think they were socialists or communists.

As the wags put it, "Osama bin Laden would have been
more effective if he had been a banker".


Another example, currently playing out...

My cousin works for a large aerospace company, and
they are in the process of being merged with another
aerospace company to make synergistic savings.

Raytheon and Collins? Collins/UTAS/Pratt is one of my best customers.
Raytheon is pretty good too.

Unfortunately there is no overlap between the two
companies, so there is no duplication to remove.

I just read an interview with the CEO of Raytheon, in Aviation Week.
He expects a billion a year in profit from synergies. The merger would
have been forbidden on antitrust grounds if there had been much market
overlap.

I'm expecting good things here. Raytheon is a lot better at
electronics than UTAS. The synergy isn't in markets, it's in skills.

Nonetheless savings must be made, presumably to
repay the highly leveraged buyout.

If we're talking Ratyheon and Collins/UTC, it's a stock deal, a
merger. No debt is involved.


--

John Larkin Highland Technology, Inc

lunatic fringe electronics
 
On 6/18/19 4:23 AM, DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno@decadence.org wrote:
bitrex <user@example.net> wrote in
news:jkZNE.41732$IQ6.15366@fx09.iad:

Many Americans seem determined to be the Middle East's and OPEC's
bitch their whole lives but I'm not into it myself.



I have ridden a bike for the last 35 years. Everywhere.

City moves used cars or plane trips, but aside form that, it has
been my legs.

The sad thing I noticed is that Clinton's alternate fuels tax
breaks are not there for my ass as an alternate fuel. That is truly
sad because even alternate fuels have a footprint. Fuels are used
to generate the power used to charge them.

My old Diesel Jetta gt 42 MPG the way I drove it.

Also it probably weighed about 2500 lbs, my 2017 Chevy Volt weights
about 3,700 pounds and gets 41 MPG running on the gas engine alone. an
impressive engineering feat I think. It could stand to be about 400
pounds lighter and then it might actually drive like a sports sedan but
it also carries 9 airbags.

Cars do not need to be built like the muscle cars. They can be a
lot more efficient.

The gas-electric serial hybrid design is an excellent one; the
mechanical transmission is the second most unreliable part of the car,
furiously complicated full of about 3000 moving parts and an efficiency
loser. tossing all that and using the engine to drive a generator that
spins motors on the wheels, like a diesel locomotive, is elegant and
with modern motors and gen-sets very efficient.
But man those cars are what set Americans apart. Cheep,
affordable, and powerful.

Not a Ferrari, but we do not see them spitting out hundreds of
thousands of cars a year either.

New cars of any type aren't particularly affordable anymore, new car
prices have outstripped inflation and real wage growth by a large
margin. about the closest thing that could be described to a "budget"
US-made real sports car is the Chevy Camaro with a V6 and manual
transmission you can get that for around 32k.

Ford and GM want out of the passenger car business for the most part,
the real profit margin is in SUVs and pickups/light trucks. The
"crossover" body style has become popular as a do-everything vehicle in
part because of the car price vs. wage thing, most families used to be
able to afford to have both a sedan and a wagon in the garage.
 
On Tuesday, June 18, 2019 at 11:29:26 AM UTC-4, bitrex wrote:
The gas-electric serial hybrid design is an excellent one; the
mechanical transmission is the second most unreliable part of the car,
furiously complicated full of about 3000 moving parts and an efficiency
loser. tossing all that and using the engine to drive a generator that
spins motors on the wheels, like a diesel locomotive, is elegant and
with modern motors and gen-sets very efficient.

Funny, talking about efficiency when an ICE is in the car. Even with a hybrid the ICE has terrible efficiency. That's the problem. Lots of weight and still horribly inefficient.

So what is the first most unreliable part of the car?

--

Rick C.

+++ Get 1,000 miles of free Supercharging
+++ Tesla referral code - https://ts.la/richard11209
 
On 18/06/19 15:40, John Larkin wrote:
On Tue, 18 Jun 2019 13:19:31 +0100, Tom Gardner <spamjunk@blueyonder.co.uk
wrote:

On 18/06/19 04:53, John Larkin wrote:
On Tue, 18 Jun 2019 01:51:43 +0100, Tom Gardner
spamjunk@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote:

On 18/06/19 01:33, John Larkin wrote:
On Tue, 18 Jun 2019 01:08:46 +0100, Tom Gardner
spamjunk@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote:

On 17/06/19 20:51, John Larkin wrote:
On Mon, 17 Jun 2019 14:54:28 -0400, bitrex <user@example.net
wrote:

On 6/17/19 12:50 PM, Tom Gardner wrote:
On 17/06/19 17:45, John Larkin wrote:
On Mon, 17 Jun 2019 17:21:25 +0100, Tom Gardner
spamjunk@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote:

On 17/06/19 16:29, John Larkin wrote:
The great mass murders of the last century, a couple
hundred million starved and murdered, were engineered
by socialists.

Except for those in that centuries, previous centuries,
and the current century that can only be described as
capitalists - and who embody and demonstrate traditional
libertarian ideals.

I was thinking of Stalin, Hitler, Mao, Pol Pot, Kim,
Castro, Maduro. Who did you have in mind?

Those people were indeed grade one bastards.

Slavers are the obvious example.

But there are many less extreme ones. All you have to do is
look at the fascist and/or religious dictatorships.



JL isn't particularly hip to the influence time or culture in
his analysis of world history; in his universe Hitler and
Stalin and Mao became "socialist" one day and all evil sprung
out of that one decision, and not the fact that these were
people who had an enormously effective personality cult
surrounding them and that their attraction to the people, the
masses of millions of people who desperately wanted them to be
in power (at least for a while), was almost entirely divorced
from what they actually believed about organizing a society.

What were Hitler, Stalin, and Mao's actual convictions on what
principles should be used to organize a society? Well if you
read their writings what you'll notice is that for the most
part it seems like they didn't really have many. Or at least
nothing particularly consistent. It varied with time and
political necessity. The only really consistent thing about
them was that they were inconsistent in what they believed
about things

Their most dangerous conviction was that they were always right
about everything and should therefore control everything.

The same is true of rampant free-marketeers and libertarians.

But they have to compete. And we have elections.



The least dangerous thing that attitude causes is to wreck the
economy.

Unfortunately rampant capitalism (and their accountants and MBAs)
/did/ wreck the economy.

"Capitalism" was a slur invented by Marx. We don't live in a world
dominated by Capital. I don't think anyone ever has.

Even if correct, that wouldn't change the principal point.

Capitalists /did/ wreck the economy.

Is the economy wrecked? I hadn't noticed. Which Capitalists did that?

Didn't you notice the 2007 crash? Many people did, and many are still
suffering from the consequences.


That was mostly a real estate bubble with a lot of paper profits and paper
losses.

Yup. Traditional capitalist speculation at work.


It was driven by Fanny and Freddy here, quasi-government entities. They
encouraged banks to lend, so the banks did. Capitalist banks never would have
made the insane loans that they did if they couldn't hand off the rotten
packages to the government.

Yup. That is indeed what the capitalists did, and how
the capitalists screwed the economy and us and our
children.

Not communists. Not socialists. Capitalists.



Which capitalists did that? Those that created CDAs and lent money to
people that were never going to be able to afford repayments. When it went
pear-shaped they walked away and let you, me and our children pick up and
repay the debts.

The people that did that were accountants and MBAs and bankers, and I doubt
even a brain-dead libertarian would think they were socialists or
communists.

As the wags put it, "Osama bin Laden would have been more effective if he
had been a banker".


Another example, currently playing out...

My cousin works for a large aerospace company, and they are in the process
of being merged with another aerospace company to make synergistic
savings.

Raytheon and Collins? Collins/UTAS/Pratt is one of my best customers.
Raytheon is pretty good too.

I /think/ Collins is part of it, and I /think/ UTAS
is where my cousin is - but his company seems to change
name/ownership every couple of years and I'm too bored
to keep track.


Unfortunately there is no overlap between the two companies, so there is no
duplication to remove.

I just read an interview with the CEO of Raytheon, in Aviation Week. He
expects a billion a year in profit from synergies. The merger would have been
forbidden on antitrust grounds if there had been much market overlap.

I'm expecting good things here. Raytheon is a lot better at electronics than
UTAS. The synergy isn't in markets, it's in skills.

My cousin's company is nothing to do with electronics,
and that's possibly the basis of the lack of synergy.

As I understand it, and that's a weak statement, the
lack of synergy is in skills as well as anything else.


Nonetheless savings must be made, presumably to repay the highly leveraged
buyout.

If we're talking Ratyheon and Collins/UTC, it's a stock deal, a merger. No
debt is involved.

Pass.

Nonetheless, the result (I'm told) is that the US
will lose skilled profitable work and capability.
 
On Tuesday, June 18, 2019 at 2:51:30 AM UTC-4, Michael Terrell wrote:
On Monday, June 17, 2019 at 9:40:13 PM UTC-4, mpm wrote:
On Monday, June 17, 2019 at 9:05:17 PM UTC-4, Michael Terrell wrote:

I am on two 1000mG tablets a day, ...

That's what I thought.
I'm on 500 mG, twice a day (before lunch and dinner), but I nearly always forget to take the dose at dinner. I suspect I am under-dosed, somewhat self-inflicted.

Try cutting one of them in half, and take half at lunch, with the other at suppertime. It's easier to remember if you take it with every meal, and it reduces the urge to overeat. I learned that when I started taking Metformin, but by the time I had been diagnosed with Diabetes, it had already damaged my already poor vision.

I believe that is what I said, vision is damaged by >>>uncontrolled<<< diabetes.

I'm glad we cleared this up.

--

Rick C.

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