OT: That didn't take very long!

On Sat, 22 Jun 2019 12:44:52 +0000 (UTC),
DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno@decadence.org wrote:

John Larkin <jjlarkin@highlandtechnology.com> wrote in
news:5s0qge1p94tvuushtp1pp7tka3omcj4dkl@4ax.com:

It's a lot lighter than some rusty old muscle car.

You have obviously never seen a 350HP small block V8 pull the front
wheels of an AMC Gremlin a foot and a half off the ground at the start
line.

You talk about weight. I talk about power. So despite the double
weight, dufus.... those muscle cars could STILL set you back in the
seat better than your shit V6. You obviously have no clue, but seem to
be full of stupid irrelavent comments like "rusty" and "old".

AlwaysWrong thinks an AMC Gremlin is a "muscle car". LOL! That's
funny, even for an AlwaysWrong post!
 
On Sat, 22 Jun 2019 21:51:59 -0400, krw@notreal.com wrote:

On Sat, 22 Jun 2019 10:00:01 -0700 (PDT), Rick C
gnuarm.deletethisbit@gmail.com> wrote:

On Saturday, June 22, 2019 at 12:37:41 PM UTC-4, John Larkin wrote:
On Sat, 22 Jun 2019 14:24:41 +0000 (UTC),
DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno@decadence.org wrote:

John Larkin <jjlarkin@highlandtechnology.com> wrote in
news:p9csgel9a413jrbsmsniprl64dvfb5fbn9@4ax.com:

As I said, put any of those things in mud or snow and they will be
helpless. I spend a lot more time driving in the mountains than on
a
drag strip.

Nice try at a sidestep.

Your post referred to being set back in the seat.

You have this unending problem with accepting anything.

I'm having fun. Are you having fun?

Yeah, I'm having fun. Getting ready to drive my Tesla.

Evidently it takes a lot of preparation.

All that charging and route planning is most of the fun.


--

John Larkin Highland Technology, Inc

lunatic fringe electronics
 
On Saturday, June 22, 2019 at 3:13:42 PM UTC-7, John Larkin wrote:

Absolutely, I'm one of the weirdest people who post to s.e.d.

I actually design electronics.

What makes you weird, though, is that you go to a sci.* newsgroup and
slander scientists...
 
On Saturday, June 22, 2019 at 10:18:20 PM UTC-4, John Larkin wrote:
On Sat, 22 Jun 2019 21:51:59 -0400, krw@notreal.com wrote:

On Sat, 22 Jun 2019 10:00:01 -0700 (PDT), Rick C
gnuarm.deletethisbit@gmail.com> wrote:

On Saturday, June 22, 2019 at 12:37:41 PM UTC-4, John Larkin wrote:
On Sat, 22 Jun 2019 14:24:41 +0000 (UTC),
DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno@decadence.org wrote:

John Larkin <jjlarkin@highlandtechnology.com> wrote in
news:p9csgel9a413jrbsmsniprl64dvfb5fbn9@4ax.com:

As I said, put any of those things in mud or snow and they will be
helpless. I spend a lot more time driving in the mountains than on
a
drag strip.

Nice try at a sidestep.

Your post referred to being set back in the seat.

You have this unending problem with accepting anything.

I'm having fun. Are you having fun?

Yeah, I'm having fun. Getting ready to drive my Tesla.

Evidently it takes a lot of preparation.

All that charging and route planning is most of the fun.

It was a bit more than usual. I had to do some laundry before I packed my bag.

Coming down last week I met a very pretty girl while charging. I had talked to her before and we exchanged emails. I'm looking forward to seeing her again soon. Good place to charge. Filling a gas tank doesn't give enough time to chat.

--

Rick C.

+--++ Get 1,000 miles of free Supercharging
+--++ Tesla referral code - https://ts.la/richard11209
 
On Saturday, June 22, 2019 at 6:13:42 PM UTC-4, John Larkin wrote:
Absolutely, I'm one of the weirdest people who post to s.e.d.

I actually design electronics.

I like the way Larkin posts two totally unrelated statements and then says nothing else about them.

Actually the second one is not completely correct. It should read, "The only thing I know about is designing electronics".

--

Rick C.

+--+- Get 1,000 miles of free Supercharging
+--+- Tesla referral code - https://ts.la/richard11209
 
It does NOT, however, give the idiots with vehicles ANY right or
reason to bitch about a fucking thing. Electric cars are going >to be on the road. Bicycle riders are going to be on the road. >FUCKYOU and ANYONE ELSE who thinks we should not be.

Hold on here MF and back up a bit. You don't get it I guess.

Bring on the electric cars. Oh yeah, I know that some of them are faster than anything I have ever driven. They might only have 250 ft./lbs. torque, BUT IT STARTS AT ZERO RPM ! And there's no gears, they don't need them.

Bicycles, electric cars, why would I have a problem with this ? Shit, if we stopped burning fossils except to cook meat I am cool with that.

All I want is nothing automatic. That leaves out Win 10.

Bring over a stickshift and the first time I take off I will not over rev it or stall it. I know how, and I know how to feel it.

But with electric that is all over with. The torque curve of an electric motor, If you got the juice its got the torque.
 
AlwaysWrong thinks an AMC Gremlin is a "muscle car". LOL! That's
funny, even for an AlwaysWrong post!

Umm like.

They had that inline six. those were great. you had to advance the timing, and usually so much you had to rotate the spark plug wires. Then richen up the idle mixture to give it a little more oomph.

So little did I do to this car and how fast it did go.

My Ma had one with the same engine and I did my thing on it. She is like "What the fuck did you do to this thing ?". We are talking with the 232-258 engine, 0-50MPH in five seconds. My shitcan MOVED ! I forgot what happened to it. Oh, I bought another car and sold it to a guy who needed an engine for his ice cream truck. Drove it for half a year and mad about fifty bucks on it I can't bitch.

Whatever, I am going on a tangent and I am stopping.

Now
 
On Sat, 22 Jun 2019 21:05:35 -0700, Rick C wrote:

On Saturday, June 22, 2019 at 6:13:42 PM UTC-4, John Larkin wrote:

Absolutely, I'm one of the weirdest people who post to s.e.d.

I actually design electronics.

I like the way Larkin posts two totally unrelated statements and then
says nothing else about them.

Actually the second one is not completely correct. It should read, "The
only thing I know about is designing electronics".

As opposed to "knowing very little about a lot" like some other people
here. >:->



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On Sunday, June 23, 2019 at 12:13:42 AM UTC+2, John Larkin wrote:
On Sat, 22 Jun 2019 19:09:34 +0000 (UTC), DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno
DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno@decadence.org> wrote:

John Larkin <jjlarkin@highland_snip_technology.com> wrote in
news:c6msge568ollarot2h4t56lg0niclp4a1h@4ax.com:

But why would anyone want to do that? Hundreds of hours of dirty work
for a few seconds of front wheels up? Bizarre.

Nwadays, it costs money to enjoy a hobby. Back in the sixties and
seventies, folks had garages and engines could be had for a few dollars.

Some could not afford RC planes and cars and demolition derbies and
drag races was what were embraced.

You not seeing man for what he is or was is what is bizarre.

And *your* 'normal' is far off the mark from the common 'normal' of
the days when you came up. You're an oddball.

Absolutely, I'm one of the weirdest people who post to s.e.d.

I actually design electronics.

Not exactly. He tinkers with designs until they work. The stories he posts seem to suggest that each minimal change becomes a "new design".

He's not exactly a fount of stories about how some new design insight got turned into a new and completely different line of products.

Phil Hobbs has a different posting style, which does seem to reflect more design content.

--
Bill Sloman, Sydney
 
On Sunday, June 23, 2019 at 12:03:19 PM UTC+2, Cursitor Doom wrote:
On Sat, 22 Jun 2019 21:05:35 -0700, Rick C wrote:

On Saturday, June 22, 2019 at 6:13:42 PM UTC-4, John Larkin wrote:

Absolutely, I'm one of the weirdest people who post to s.e.d.

I actually design electronics.

I like the way Larkin posts two totally unrelated statements and then
says nothing else about them.

Actually the second one is not completely correct. It should read, "The
only thing I know about is designing electronics".

As opposed to "knowing very little about a lot" like some other people
here. >:-

How would Cursitor Doom know that? He seems to know very litle about absolutely everything - and most of what he thinks he knows seems to be wrong - so his opinions about what other people might know really are a waste of bandwidth.

--
Bill Sloman, sydney
 
whit3rd <whit3rd@gmail.com> wrote in news:403936de-a16a-44e8-a3f9-
4e1d06f35379@googlegroups.com:

On Saturday, June 22, 2019 at 3:13:42 PM UTC-7, John Larkin wrote:

Absolutely, I'm one of the weirdest people who post to s.e.d.

I actually design electronics.

What makes you weird, though, is that you go to a sci.* newsgroup and
slander scientists...

Oh, he has a true Trumpesque mentality there. Way way above the
schott noise. Has trouble giving others credit.

Just as Trump makes a LOT of prepared statements. Notice how he
exposes his weirdness whenever he goes off script.

Johnny cannot accept that others have education and experience, just
like he does.
 
On Sun, 23 Jun 2019 14:26:03 +0000 (UTC),
DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno@decadence.org wrote:

krw@notreal.com wrote in
news:4vmtgehgh1n5escgimqb7tb4474ehu0bfp@4ax.com:

On Sat, 22 Jun 2019 09:42:30 -0700, John Larkin
jjlarkin@highland_snip_technology.com> wrote:

On Fri, 21 Jun 2019 22:09:27 -0400, bitrex <user@example.net
wrote:

On 6/21/19 10:35 AM, John Larkin wrote:
On Fri, 21 Jun 2019 09:44:09 -0400, krw@notreal.com wrote:

On Tue, 18 Jun 2019 13:33:31 -0700 (PDT), Rick C
gnuarm.deletethisbit@gmail.com> wrote:

On Tuesday, June 18, 2019 at 3:50:40 PM UTC-4, Michael
Terrell wrote:

Moron buys an EV, then damns everyone who won't. I haven't
owned a car in over 25 years. Only trucks. The last car was
a high powered, retired Sherriff's cruiser. I've owned
smaller cars, but I am tall, and they were painful to drive.
Even some trucks are too small for me to drive. My favorite
car was a restored 1966 red GTO that could wrap the
speedometer back to the zero pin.

I bought it with a blown engine and rebuilt it. I installed
a heavy duty three speed automatic transmission in it, and
modified the drive train and chassis to make it fit, in
place of the two speed Powerglide transmission. Gasoline was
8.9 cents a gallon for high test, on base, and it wouldn't
hold three dollars worth of gasoline.


The latest is a large SUV, because I needed the low chassis,
and extra legroom to be able to get in and out without help.
You can stick your electric skateboards where the sun
doesn't shine, along with all your lies.

The United States of America is exporting oil, bitch!

How does it feel that every vehicle you've ever owned is pig
dog slow compared to a Tesla? My model X which has plenty of
room and carries up to 6 passengers will still stomp on
anything you've ever owned. It won't wrap the speedo needle
though, doesn't have one.

Musk's bitch at work. Amazing, even for a fanboi.

Tesla drivers seem to think in terms of alternating bursts of
acceleration and deceleration. I guess some people enjoy that,
but I know that a lot of passengers don't. Maybe they seldom
have passengers.

I have two driving modes; mine is pretty dynamic, but I tone
the jerk (1st derivative of acceleration, not a synonym for me)
way down when my wife is onboard. I know some guys who get sick
from jerk too.

Funny, when she is driving the Audi she enjoys flooring it,
like getting onto a freeway. It's the 3.2L non-turbo V6 and
really pushes a bod into the seat.



telsa owners are the BMW owners of the EV world.

More like the Volvo owners.

Subaru owners are plenty smug.

Failed ex IBM fellows are too.

AlwaysWrong just can't resist being so damned wrong. ...about
everything. Always!
 
jurb6006@gmail.com wrote in
news:0f1f83ed-5f26-4846-9cbb-9533ecd370d2@googlegroups.com:

It does NOT, however, give the idiots with vehicles ANY right or
reason to bitch about a fucking thing. Electric cars are going
to be on the road. Bicycle riders are going to be on the road.
FUCKYOU and ANYONE ELSE who thinks we should not be.

Hold on here MF and back up a bit. You don't get it I guess.

Bring on the electric cars. Oh yeah, I know that some of them are
faster than anything I have ever driven. They might only have 250
ft./lbs. torque, BUT IT STARTS AT ZERO RPM ! And there's no gears,
they don't need them.

Bicycles, electric cars, why would I have a problem with this ?
Shit, if we stopped burning fossils except to cook meat I am cool
with that.

All I want is nothing automatic. That leaves out Win 10.

Bring over a stickshift and the first time I take off I will not
over rev it or stall it. I know how, and I know how to feel it.

But with electric that is all over with. The torque curve of an
electric motor, If you got the juice its got the torque.

I said nothing agisnt electric cars, ya dope.

I was merely telling the idiots who think they own the road
because they buy fuel that they are full of shit.
 
krw@notreal.com wrote in
news:2imtge1sh52rso25u9j3vvb561ij5v2oro@4ax.com:

On Sat, 22 Jun 2019 12:44:52 +0000 (UTC),
DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno@decadence.org wrote:

John Larkin <jjlarkin@highlandtechnology.com> wrote in
news:5s0qge1p94tvuushtp1pp7tka3omcj4dkl@4ax.com:

It's a lot lighter than some rusty old muscle car.

You have obviously never seen a 350HP small block V8 pull the
front
wheels of an AMC Gremlin a foot and a half off the ground at the
start line.

You talk about weight. I talk about power. So despite the
double
weight, dufus.... those muscle cars could STILL set you back in
the seat better than your shit V6. You obviously have no clue,
but seem to be full of stupid irrelavent comments like "rusty" and
"old".

AlwaysWrong thinks an AMC Gremlin is a "muscle car". LOL! That's
funny, even for an AlwaysWrong post!

It is when one places a hot Chevy small block V8 in it. And that
was before the V6 was even produced.

So yeah, dumbfuck. A hopped up Gremlin could do 9 second
quarters.'

Also had a corvair with the tranny flipped over and a 350 Corvette
motor hooked up to it in the back seat.

You really are one stupid fuck.

Lil' Red Wagon had a 426 Hemi in it.

No, you stupid asshole...

Everyone knows that a muscle car was a car the NYC mob used to run
down chumps late on their payments.
 
krw@notreal.com wrote in
news:4vmtgehgh1n5escgimqb7tb4474ehu0bfp@4ax.com:

On Sat, 22 Jun 2019 09:42:30 -0700, John Larkin
jjlarkin@highland_snip_technology.com> wrote:

On Fri, 21 Jun 2019 22:09:27 -0400, bitrex <user@example.net
wrote:

On 6/21/19 10:35 AM, John Larkin wrote:
On Fri, 21 Jun 2019 09:44:09 -0400, krw@notreal.com wrote:

On Tue, 18 Jun 2019 13:33:31 -0700 (PDT), Rick C
gnuarm.deletethisbit@gmail.com> wrote:

On Tuesday, June 18, 2019 at 3:50:40 PM UTC-4, Michael
Terrell wrote:

Moron buys an EV, then damns everyone who won't. I haven't
owned a car in over 25 years. Only trucks. The last car was
a high powered, retired Sherriff's cruiser. I've owned
smaller cars, but I am tall, and they were painful to drive.
Even some trucks are too small for me to drive. My favorite
car was a restored 1966 red GTO that could wrap the
speedometer back to the zero pin.

I bought it with a blown engine and rebuilt it. I installed
a heavy duty three speed automatic transmission in it, and
modified the drive train and chassis to make it fit, in
place of the two speed Powerglide transmission. Gasoline was
8.9 cents a gallon for high test, on base, and it wouldn't
hold three dollars worth of gasoline.


The latest is a large SUV, because I needed the low chassis,
and extra legroom to be able to get in and out without help.
You can stick your electric skateboards where the sun
doesn't shine, along with all your lies.

The United States of America is exporting oil, bitch!

How does it feel that every vehicle you've ever owned is pig
dog slow compared to a Tesla? My model X which has plenty of
room and carries up to 6 passengers will still stomp on
anything you've ever owned. It won't wrap the speedo needle
though, doesn't have one.

Musk's bitch at work. Amazing, even for a fanboi.

Tesla drivers seem to think in terms of alternating bursts of
acceleration and deceleration. I guess some people enjoy that,
but I know that a lot of passengers don't. Maybe they seldom
have passengers.

I have two driving modes; mine is pretty dynamic, but I tone
the jerk (1st derivative of acceleration, not a synonym for me)
way down when my wife is onboard. I know some guys who get sick
from jerk too.

Funny, when she is driving the Audi she enjoys flooring it,
like getting onto a freeway. It's the 3.2L non-turbo V6 and
really pushes a bod into the seat.



telsa owners are the BMW owners of the EV world.

More like the Volvo owners.

Subaru owners are plenty smug.

Failed ex IBM fellows are too.
 
On Sunday, June 23, 2019 at 4:32:33 PM UTC+2, DecadentLinux...@decadence.org wrote:
whit3rd <whit3rd@gmail.com> wrote in news:403936de-a16a-44e8-a3f9-
4e1d06f35379@googlegroups.com:

On Saturday, June 22, 2019 at 3:13:42 PM UTC-7, John Larkin wrote:

Absolutely, I'm one of the weirdest people who post to s.e.d.

I actually design electronics.

What makes you weird, though, is that you go to a sci.* newsgroup and
slander scientists...


Oh, he has a true Trumpesque mentality there. Way way above the
schott noise. Has trouble giving others credit.

Just as Trump makes a LOT of prepared statements. Notice how he
exposes his weirdness whenever he goes off script.

Johnny cannot accept that others have education and experience, just
like he does.

John Larkin's education wasn't all that impressive - Tulane isn't a high status college, and John skipped a lot of the lectures he didn't find interesting and doesn't seem to filled in the gaps that left.

You can fill in what your university didn't tell you, but John doesn't seem to be one of the people who have done that.

--
Bill Sloman, Sydney

--
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krw@notreal.com wrote in news:kd3vgepffhejaft6qm490cv2lcb5h6otb3@
4ax.com:

On Sun, 23 Jun 2019 14:26:03 +0000 (UTC),
DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno@decadence.org wrote:

krw@notreal.com wrote in
news:4vmtgehgh1n5escgimqb7tb4474ehu0bfp@4ax.com:

On Sat, 22 Jun 2019 09:42:30 -0700, John Larkin
jjlarkin@highland_snip_technology.com> wrote:

On Fri, 21 Jun 2019 22:09:27 -0400, bitrex <user@example.net
wrote:

On 6/21/19 10:35 AM, John Larkin wrote:
On Fri, 21 Jun 2019 09:44:09 -0400, krw@notreal.com wrote:

On Tue, 18 Jun 2019 13:33:31 -0700 (PDT), Rick C
gnuarm.deletethisbit@gmail.com> wrote:

On Tuesday, June 18, 2019 at 3:50:40 PM UTC-4, Michael
Terrell wrote:

Moron buys an EV, then damns everyone who won't. I haven't
owned a car in over 25 years. Only trucks. The last car
was
a high powered, retired Sherriff's cruiser. I've owned
smaller cars, but I am tall, and they were painful to
drive.
Even some trucks are too small for me to drive. My
favorite
car was a restored 1966 red GTO that could wrap the
speedometer back to the zero pin.

I bought it with a blown engine and rebuilt it. I
installed
a heavy duty three speed automatic transmission in it, and
modified the drive train and chassis to make it fit, in
place of the two speed Powerglide transmission. Gasoline
was
8.9 cents a gallon for high test, on base, and it wouldn't
hold three dollars worth of gasoline.


The latest is a large SUV, because I needed the low
chassis,
and extra legroom to be able to get in and out without
help.
You can stick your electric skateboards where the sun
doesn't shine, along with all your lies.

The United States of America is exporting oil, bitch!

How does it feel that every vehicle you've ever owned is
pig
dog slow compared to a Tesla? My model X which has plenty
of
room and carries up to 6 passengers will still stomp on
anything you've ever owned. It won't wrap the speedo
needle
though, doesn't have one.

Musk's bitch at work. Amazing, even for a fanboi.

Tesla drivers seem to think in terms of alternating bursts of
acceleration and deceleration. I guess some people enjoy
that,
but I know that a lot of passengers don't. Maybe they seldom
have passengers.

I have two driving modes; mine is pretty dynamic, but I tone
the jerk (1st derivative of acceleration, not a synonym for
me)
way down when my wife is onboard. I know some guys who get
sick
from jerk too.

Funny, when she is driving the Audi she enjoys flooring it,
like getting onto a freeway. It's the 3.2L non-turbo V6 and
really pushes a bod into the seat.



telsa owners are the BMW owners of the EV world.

More like the Volvo owners.

Subaru owners are plenty smug.

Failed ex IBM fellows are too.

AlwaysWrong just can't resist being so damned wrong. ...about
everything. Always!

Yeah... You retired with 'honors'.

Back in the 4 layer days. Probably used tape instead of
computers.
 
Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> wrote in
news:92508ab3-6a84-4127-bdce-66edd4dfc53e@googlegroups.com:

On Sunday, June 23, 2019 at 4:32:33 PM UTC+2,
DecadentLinux...@decadence.org wrote:
whit3rd <whit3rd@gmail.com> wrote in
news:403936de-a16a-44e8-a3f9- 4e1d06f35379@googlegroups.com:

On Saturday, June 22, 2019 at 3:13:42 PM UTC-7, John Larkin
wrote:

Absolutely, I'm one of the weirdest people who post to s.e.d.

I actually design electronics.

What makes you weird, though, is that you go to a sci.*
newsgroup and slander scientists...


Oh, he has a true Trumpesque mentality there. Way way above
the
schott noise. Has trouble giving others credit.

Just as Trump makes a LOT of prepared statements. Notice how
he
exposes his weirdness whenever he goes off script.

Johnny cannot accept that others have education and experience,
just
like he does.

John Larkin's education wasn't all that impressive - Tulane isn't
a high status college, and John skipped a lot of the lectures he
didn't find interesting and doesn't seem to filled in the gaps
that left.

You can fill in what your university didn't tell you, but John
doesn't seem to be one of the people who have done that.

Electrical engineering and 'electronics' is a very broad industry
with damned near more niches than the medical community has spun up.

We are so important to so many other industries, many of which
were spawned by 'electrical' advancements... optics is the perfect
example, and chip epitaxy too...

The world owes a lot to man's capacity to control electrons and
'holes' and where they go and what information their 'bursts' carry.
And certainly to the science and research behind it. Our colleges
were shaped by essentially by original and modern electronics
metrology technology.
 
On Sat, 22 Jun 2019 20:49:17 -0700 (PDT), whit3rd <whit3rd@gmail.com>
wrote:

On Saturday, June 22, 2019 at 3:13:42 PM UTC-7, John Larkin wrote:

Absolutely, I'm one of the weirdest people who post to s.e.d.

I actually design electronics.

What makes you weird, though, is that you go to a sci.* newsgroup and
slander scientists...

Questioning the usefulness of computer simulation of poorly understood
chaotic systems isn't slander.

https://www.dropbox.com/s/deoemgz23x047pj/christy_dec8.jpg?raw=1

I work with PhD scientists all the time. There are a couple of real
scientists here that I get along with fine. Real scientists relish
lively discussion and new ideas.




--

John Larkin Highland Technology, Inc

lunatic fringe electronics
 
On Sun, 23 Jun 2019 14:32:27 +0000 (UTC),
DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno@decadence.org wrote:

whit3rd <whit3rd@gmail.com> wrote in news:403936de-a16a-44e8-a3f9-
4e1d06f35379@googlegroups.com:

On Saturday, June 22, 2019 at 3:13:42 PM UTC-7, John Larkin wrote:

Absolutely, I'm one of the weirdest people who post to s.e.d.

I actually design electronics.

What makes you weird, though, is that you go to a sci.* newsgroup and
slander scientists...


Oh, he has a true Trumpesque mentality there. Way way above the
schott noise. Has trouble giving others credit.

Just as Trump makes a LOT of prepared statements. Notice how he
exposes his weirdness whenever he goes off script.

Johnny cannot accept that others have education and experience, just
like he does.

Show us something electronic that you have designed.

You never have.


--

John Larkin Highland Technology, Inc

lunatic fringe electronics
 

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