OT: Suicide or genocide?

On 4/18/2020 7:34 PM, Ricky C wrote:
On Saturday, April 18, 2020 at 9:27:07 AM UTC-4, Clive Arthur wrote:
Not a normally reliable news source, but the pictures probably don't lie.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8232253/Americans-answer-Trumps-call-liberate-states-governors-stringent-coronavirus-lockdowns.html

Holding signs with important points like,

"#fake crisis"

"Every business is essential"

"Reopen Now"

and then some people have less lofty sights...

"I need a haircut"

Ok.

Yes these people are going to fight the next civil war so long as the
barber shops stay open during that.
 
jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
On Sat, 18 Apr 2020 12:51:31 -0400, bitrex <user@example.net> wrote:

Nobody has found a good way to codify "The wealthy get to do whatever
they want and the poor get the State's gun up their ass and their
every move controlled" into a coherent and acceptable written legal
framework, yet, though the United States has made the most advances
in this area.

How did you acquire your proctological fixation?

In post-US Department of Education and UFT schools.
 
bitrex wrote:
On 4/18/2020 1:28 PM, jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:

Who here has ever smoked? I'd like to know.


Oh I expect, the right-winger who wants freedom for himself but wants
to know everyone else's medical history in detail.

Right bitrex, it was a right-wing adminstration that pushed out the
regulations requiring digital storage of medical data in the 90's.
 
On Sunday, April 19, 2020 at 1:25:00 AM UTC+10, dagmarg...@yahoo.com wrote:
On Saturday, April 18, 2020 at 9:27:07 AM UTC-4, Clive Arthur wrote:
Not a normally reliable news source, but the pictures probably don't lie.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8232253/Americans-answer-Trumps-call-liberate-states-governors-stringent-coronavirus-lockdowns.html

Seems reasonable. The shutdown was to prevent hospitals from being
overwhelmed. Not to prevent people from getting sick, but just to
make sure they don't all get sick at the same time.

If done right, it can stop lots of people getting sick at all. It seems to be working that way in Australia.

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/australia/

Well, we've managed that -- hospitals are underwhelmed -- so why not
get back to work?

Depends how many more people you are willing to have ending up dead.

A more rigorous lock-down and effective contact tracing could stop the epidemic in it's tracks, after which you could get back to work a whole lot more comprehensively.

About 40,000 Americans die in car accidents every year. Lots more are
grievously injured. But we don't shut the country down over that. (Or
ban cars, for that matter. Instead, we bail car companies out.)

James Arthur does go in for false analogies. You can stop an epidemic. It seems to be more difficult to completely eliminate car accidents, though deaths per vehicle miles travelled seem to have gone down steadily over the last century.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transportation_safety_in_the_United_States#/media/File:US_traffic_deaths_per_VMT,_VMT,_per_capita,_and_total_annual_deaths.png

--
Bill Sloman, Sydney
 
On Sunday, April 19, 2020 at 2:47:22 AM UTC+10, jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
On Sat, 18 Apr 2020 08:24:55 -0700 (PDT), dagmargoodboat@yahoo.com
wrote:

On Saturday, April 18, 2020 at 9:27:07 AM UTC-4, Clive Arthur wrote:
Not a normally reliable news source, but the pictures probably don't lie.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8232253/Americans-answer-Trumps-call-liberate-states-governors-stringent-coronavirus-lockdowns.html

Seems reasonable. The shutdown was to prevent hospitals from being
overwhelmed. Not to prevent people from getting sick, but just to
make sure they don't all get sick at the same time.

Well, we've managed that -- hospitals are underwhelmed -- so why not
get back to work?

About 40,000 Americans die in car accidents every year. Lots more are
grievously injured. But we don't shut the country down over that. (Or
ban cars, for that matter. Instead, we bail car companies out.)

Two ways to save a lot of lives:

Outlaw cigarettes.

Won't work, as Prohibition demonstrated. Even taxing tobacco to a discouraging degree produces quite a bit of cigarette smuggling.

> Set the speed governors on all cars to 50 MPH.

Same problem.

The cigarette industry struck a devil's bargain with the states. Let
us keep giving millions of people emphysema and cancer and you get
more tax revenue.

From wiki:

According to a 2014 review in the New England Journal of Medicine,
tobacco will, if current smoking patterns persist, kill about 1
billion people in the 21st century, half of them before the age of
70.[9]

Why is no-one panicked about that?

Every last smoker deserves a Darwin award. If you are silly enough to keep on smoking, your genes need to be removed from the gene pool. It's a bit tough on your kids, who are getting selected out too - secondary smoking does kill people - but evolution is brutal.

--
Bill Sloman, Sydney
 
On Sunday, April 19, 2020 at 5:45:21 AM UTC+10, John Larkin wrote:
On Sat, 18 Apr 2020 15:05:32 -0400, bitrex <user@example.net> wrote:

On 4/18/2020 2:57 PM, John Larkin wrote:
On Sat, 18 Apr 2020 14:30:36 -0400, bitrex <user@example.net> wrote:

On 4/18/2020 2:25 PM, bitrex wrote:
On 4/18/2020 9:26 AM, Clive Arthur wrote:

<snip>

Grow and truck your food, and supply you housing and energy, useless
stuff like that.


None of the "protestors" look like they're destitute walking around with
5 grand worth of tattoos and $2000 rifles, joyriding on 15k ATVs and
rolling 60k trucks acting like they're all going to go broke any minute
unless America re-opens on their say-so.

What a bunch of flag-wavin' Bible-thumping frauds.

You are nasty. You are afraid and insecure. You need to hate. You are
probably not very good at electronic design. All those are related.

Everybody with any sense is nasty about Trump supporters. That doesn't make them afraid or insecure, or bad at electronic design.

John Larkin likes to think that he is good at electronic design, where his actual skill is in electronic evolution, where he comes up with lots of trivial variations, and selects the ones that simulate well.

At an unconscious level he is aware of this, which makes him nasty and insecure, and prone to project his own defect onto others.

--
Bill Sloman, Sydney
 
On Sunday, April 19, 2020 at 5:56:25 AM UTC+10, John Larkin wrote:
On Sat, 18 Apr 2020 12:10:56 -0700 (PDT), whit3rd <whit3rd@gmail.com
wrote:

On Saturday, April 18, 2020 at 8:25:00 AM UTC-7, dagmarg...@yahoo.com wrote:

Seems reasonable. The shutdown was to prevent hospitals from being
overwhelmed. Not to prevent people from getting sick, but just to
make sure they don't all get sick at the same time.

Well, we've managed that -- hospitals are underwhelmed -- so why not
get back to work?

We decided not to dance on the cliff edge, and it worked, we didn't fall into
the sea! So, why don't we go back and dance on the cliff edge!

Right. Let's lock down every year, for every flu and cold virus that
shows initial exponential growth, which will of course be all of them.
Can't be too careful.

John Larkin really can't get it into his head that Covid-19 kills a lot more people than seasonal flu, and quite a few people who aren't old or frail. The carnage in New York isn't something we see every year.

--
Bill Sloman, Sydney
 
On Sunday, April 19, 2020 at 8:09:18 AM UTC+10, dagmarg...@yahoo.com wrote:
On Saturday, April 18, 2020 at 3:11:02 PM UTC-4, whit3rd wrote:
On Saturday, April 18, 2020 at 8:25:00 AM UTC-7, dagmarg...@yahoo.com wrote:

Seems reasonable. The shutdown was to prevent hospitals from being
overwhelmed. Not to prevent people from getting sick, but just to
make sure they don't all get sick at the same time.

Well, we've managed that -- hospitals are underwhelmed -- so why not
get back to work?

We decided not to dance on the cliff edge, and it worked, we didn't fall into
the sea! So, why don't we go back and dance on the cliff edge!

That argument surprises me. Hunkering down month after month is
a) untenable, and b) ineffective.

You don't have to hunker down for months. If you do it right, about one monht is enough.

As soon as hunkered-down people emerge there's still virus circulating,
and they're still susceptible.

There shouldn't be any virus circulating, if you have done it right. It looks as if Australia is going to have to quarantine visitors from the US for a fortnight for the foreseeable future. South Korea never bothered with lock down, and relied entirely on contact tracing and the isolation of potentially infected people.

Besides being ruinous, locking healthy people up indefinitely and
arbitrarily is inhuman, a gross violation of human rights, and
serves no purpose.

It serves one entirely obvious purpose, which is to make it a lot less likely that they will get infected with Covid-19, or pass it on to anybody else if they do.

Australia's lock-down level seems to mean that it takes two infected people to produce another infection - on average.

Contact tracing has revealed that infected people mostly don't infect anybody else, and that occasional disasters have lead a single infected person to infect thirty or so other people - she was a nurse at an aged care home, and had ignored a "scratchy throat" which meant that she infected ten other staff and twenty patients.

--
Bill Sloman, Sydney
 
On Sunday, April 19, 2020 at 3:16:02 AM UTC+10, dagmarg...@yahoo.com wrote:
On Saturday, April 18, 2020 at 12:47:22 PM UTC-4, jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
On Sat, 18 Apr 2020 08:24:55 -0700 (PDT), dagmargoodboat@yahoo.com
wrote:

On Saturday, April 18, 2020 at 9:27:07 AM UTC-4, Clive Arthur wrote:
Not a normally reliable news source, but the pictures probably don't lie.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8232253/Americans-answer-Trumps-call-liberate-states-governors-stringent-coronavirus-lockdowns.html

--
Cheers
Clive

Seems reasonable. The shutdown was to prevent hospitals from being
overwhelmed. Not to prevent people from getting sick, but just to
make sure they don't all get sick at the same time.

Well, we've managed that -- hospitals are underwhelmed -- so why not
get back to work?

About 40,000 Americans die in car accidents every year. Lots more are
grievously injured. But we don't shut the country down over that. (Or
ban cars, for that matter. Instead, we bail car companies out.)

Cheers,
James Arthur

Two ways to save a lot of lives:

Outlaw cigarettes.

Set the speed governors on all cars to 50 MPH.


The cigarette industry struck a devil's bargain with the states. Let
us keep giving millions of people emphysema and cancer and you get
more tax revenue.

From wiki:

According to a 2014 review in the New England Journal of Medicine,
tobacco will, if current smoking patterns persist, kill about 1
billion people in the 21st century, half of them before the age of
70.[9]


Why is no-one panicked about that?

Don't forget alcohol -- 88,000 annually.
https://www.cdc.gov/alcohol/fact-sheets/alcohol-use.htm

But there's a simple cure for this -- no need for a lock-down,
just eliminate food. Everyone succumbing to anything has, at
one point, eaten food. Eliminate food for a year or two, and
we eliminate all human disease, 100%.

Simple. What could possibly go wrong?

(And as a bonus, you eliminate income inequality at the same time.)

So let's continue preventing people from doing anything they'd do
to put food on their tables, and we'll save lives. It's for the
children.

Australia seems to have managed to set up a lock down effective enough that each newly infected person has only got a 50% chance of infecting somebody else before they get detected and isolated, or their immune system kills off their virus population.

It doesn't seem to have stopped anybody putting food on their table.

Agriculture is still producing food - it's an essential service - and the people distributing it to the retailers who sell to the population as a whole are still out there doing that.

The government has raise unemployment benefits a lot - roughly doubled them - and spent quite a bit a more to keep people who aren't actually working being paid anyway.

New cases are down by a factor of ten from the peak, so we are in sight of complete elimination, and the government should be able get back into Scrooge mode fairly soon.

--
Bill Sloman, Sydney
 
On 4/19/2020 12:21 AM, Bill Sloman wrote:
On Sunday, April 19, 2020 at 5:45:21 AM UTC+10, John Larkin wrote:
On Sat, 18 Apr 2020 15:05:32 -0400, bitrex <user@example.net> wrote:

On 4/18/2020 2:57 PM, John Larkin wrote:
On Sat, 18 Apr 2020 14:30:36 -0400, bitrex <user@example.net> wrote:

On 4/18/2020 2:25 PM, bitrex wrote:
On 4/18/2020 9:26 AM, Clive Arthur wrote:

snip

Grow and truck your food, and supply you housing and energy, useless
stuff like that.


None of the "protestors" look like they're destitute walking around with
5 grand worth of tattoos and $2000 rifles, joyriding on 15k ATVs and
rolling 60k trucks acting like they're all going to go broke any minute
unless America re-opens on their say-so.

What a bunch of flag-wavin' Bible-thumping frauds.

You are nasty. You are afraid and insecure. You need to hate. You are
probably not very good at electronic design. All those are related.

Everybody with any sense is nasty about Trump supporters. That doesn't make them afraid or insecure, or bad at electronic design.

John Larkin likes to think that he is good at electronic design, where his actual skill is in electronic evolution, where he comes up with lots of trivial variations, and selects the ones that simulate well.

At an unconscious level he is aware of this, which makes him nasty and insecure, and prone to project his own defect onto others.

They tend to openly admit they're "haters" themselves, or "deplorables"
or somesuch and seem proud of the fact.

Someone who feels the mokinker "deplorable" is in fact applicable to
themselves and accepts it willingly should expect to be treated that
way. It makes little sense to anyone but an 8-year-old (or 8-year-olds
in adult bodies) to whine about it at that point.
 
On Saturday, April 18, 2020 at 1:28:09 PM UTC-4, John Larkin wrote:

Who here has ever smoked? I'd like to know.

I've never smoked and I don't like Alcohol.
 
On Saturday, April 18, 2020 at 8:37:04 PM UTC-4, mpm wrote:
On Saturday, April 18, 2020 at 7:34:11 PM UTC-4, Ricky C wrote:

and then some people have less lofty sights...

"I need a haircut"

Funny you mention that...

I've made a pretty good profit the last couple of weeks on RGS.
A lot of their stores are not open, but people's hair keeps growing.
(Mine own is starting to bug me....)
Eventually, there's going to be a lot of pent-up demand for haircuts. (?)

And Regis owns Supercuts (a low budget option), so they may have quite a few new customers if we ever get back to normal.

I got in low enough that I should (famous last words) easily triple my investment.

I cut my own. I cut it to a burr. It takes about ten minutes every other month. You can buy decent electric clippers for under $10.
 
Michael Terrell <terrell.michael.a@gmail.com> wrote in news:ed54bc38-
88b6-456c-827f-c6459ea82e43@googlegroups.com:

On Saturday, April 18, 2020 at 1:28:09 PM UTC-4, John Larkin wrote:


Who here has ever smoked? I'd like to know.


I've never smoked and I don't like Alcohol.

And yet that fucking rotted molar still damn near killed you.
Then, there is those pesky long chain triglycerides. And it is
certainly evident that it had an effect on your neural functions.
 
dagmargoodboat@yahoo.com wrote:
On Saturday, April 18, 2020 at 1:28:09 PM UTC-4,
jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:

Chicago taxes cigarettes over $7 per pack. Many low-income smokers
spend over 20% of their income on cigarettes.

Who here has ever smoked? I'd like to know.

When I was five I scooped up a cigarette tossed from a passing truck,
collected a curious buddy, and took a sample puff. Yuck!

I threw it away.

When I was five I overheard two neighbors talking about how they were
both trying to quit but couldn't. If I didn't know already I knew then
I would never take a puff.
 
On 4/22/2020 12:12 PM, Tom Del Rosso wrote:
dagmargoodboat@yahoo.com wrote:
On Saturday, April 18, 2020 at 1:28:09 PM UTC-4,
jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:

Chicago taxes cigarettes over $7 per pack. Many low-income smokers
spend over 20% of their income on cigarettes.

Who here has ever smoked? I'd like to know.

When I was five I scooped up a cigarette tossed from a passing truck,
collected a curious buddy, and took a sample puff. Yuck!

I threw it away.

When I was five I overheard two neighbors talking about how they were
both trying to quit but couldn't. If I didn't know already I knew then
I would never take a puff.
You did better than many folks would. To them that would have
triggered an urge to try it.
 
Pimpom wrote:
On 4/22/2020 12:12 PM, Tom Del Rosso wrote:
dagmargoodboat@yahoo.com wrote:
On Saturday, April 18, 2020 at 1:28:09 PM UTC-4,
jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:

Chicago taxes cigarettes over $7 per pack. Many low-income smokers
spend over 20% of their income on cigarettes.

Who here has ever smoked? I'd like to know.

When I was five I scooped up a cigarette tossed from a passing
truck, collected a curious buddy, and took a sample puff. Yuck!

I threw it away.

When I was five I overheard two neighbors talking about how they were
both trying to quit but couldn't. If I didn't know already I knew
then I would never take a puff.


You did better than many folks would. To them that would have
triggered an urge to try it.

To me it sounded like it controlled them, and I hated being controlled.
 
John Larkin wrote:
On Sat, 18 Apr 2020 14:39:23 -0400, Phil Hobbs
pcdhSpamMeSenseless@electrooptical.net> wrote:

On 2020-04-18 13:28, jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:

Who here has ever smoked? I'd like to know.

I did for a couple of years in high school, but never since.

I've used them to light firecrackers.

I used a length of clothsline rope. It burned for hours.
 
"Tom Del Rosso" <fizzbintuesday@that-google-mail-domain.com> wrote in
news:r7r288$cds$1@dont-email.me:

John Larkin wrote:
On Sat, 18 Apr 2020 14:39:23 -0400, Phil Hobbs
pcdhSpamMeSenseless@electrooptical.net> wrote:

On 2020-04-18 13:28, jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:

Who here has ever smoked? I'd like to know.

I did for a couple of years in high school, but never since.

I've used them to light firecrackers.

I used a length of clothsline rope. It burned for hours.

Except now clotheline rope is all synthetic.

I smoked for 17 years two packs a day and I smoked them. They did
not sit in ash trays, or get given to the bums. *I* smoked them.

I quit cold turkey in 1987 at 27 yo, and never looked back.

Now rope is the only thing I smoke, and not the synthetic variety.
 
On 2020-04-23, Tom Del Rosso <fizzbintuesday@that-google-mail-domain.com> wrote:
John Larkin wrote:
On Sat, 18 Apr 2020 14:39:23 -0400, Phil Hobbs
pcdhSpamMeSenseless@electrooptical.net> wrote:

On 2020-04-18 13:28, jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:

Who here has ever smoked? I'd like to know.

I did for a couple of years in high school, but never since.

I've used them to light firecrackers.

I used a length of clothsline rope. It burned for hours.

Ah, a "slow match".
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slow_match

I much prefer hemp to tobacco too :^)


--
Jasen.
 

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