OT: Suicide or genocide?

[John Larkin]

On Sat, 18 Apr 2020 12:10:56 -0700 (PDT), whit3rd <whit3rd@gmail.com>
wrote:

On Saturday, April 18, 2020 at 8:25:00 AM UTC-7, dagmarg...@yahoo.com wrote:

Seems reasonable. The shutdown was to prevent hospitals from being
overwhelmed. Not to prevent people from getting sick, but just to
make sure they don't all get sick at the same time.

Well, we've managed that -- hospitals are underwhelmed -- so why not
get back to work?

We decided not to dance on the cliff edge, and it worked, we didn't fall into
the sea! So, why don't we go back and dance on the cliff edge!

Right. Let's lock down every year, for every flu and cold virus that
shows initial exponential growth, which will of course be all of them.
Can't be too careful.



--

John Larkin Highland Technology, Inc
picosecond timing precision measurement

jlarkin att highlandtechnology dott com
http://www.highlandtechnology.com

 

[bitrex]

On 4/18/2020 3:45 PM, John Larkin wrote:

On Sat, 18 Apr 2020 15:05:32 -0400, bitrex <user@example.net> wrote:

On 4/18/2020 2:57 PM, John Larkin wrote:
On Sat, 18 Apr 2020 14:30:36 -0400, bitrex <user@example.net> wrote:

On 4/18/2020 2:25 PM, bitrex wrote:
On 4/18/2020 9:26 AM, Clive Arthur wrote:
Not a normally reliable news source, but the pictures probably don't lie.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8232253/Americans-answer-Trumps-call-liberate-states-governors-stringent-coronavirus-lockdowns.html



The pictures are sometimes hilarious, like the guy who says "Covid-19 is
a LIE" but is wearing a mask and suit.

The woman (I think?) holding what looks to be a Bible with a patch on
their jacket that says "Natural Born Hellraiser." A true disciple of the
Lord I am sure.

gosh Trumpers really will do just about anything for their 15 minutes.

Well, anything but put in an honest day's work, that is.

Grow and truck your food, and supply you housing and energy, useless
stuff like that.


None of the "protestors" look like they're destitute walking around with
5 grand worth of tattoos and $2000 rifles, joyriding on 15k ATVs and
rolling 60k trucks acting like they're all going to go broke any minute
unless America re-opens on their say-so.

What a bunch of flag-wavin' Bible-thumping frauds.

You are nasty. You are afraid and insecure. You need to hate. You are
probably not very good at electronic design. All those are related.

I'm a New Englander - some people think this automatically implies
"nasty" or hateful or stand-offish or something, which isn't the case.
We don't have a lot of use for pretense or false pleasantry, though. we
tend to call a spade a spade.

This country is probably here to begin with because my
great-great-great-great grandfathers had the ability to tell a different
bunch of God-fearing "patriots" they were full of shit, too. Up yours
and God save the Queen!

 

[whit3rd]

On Saturday, April 18, 2020 at 12:56:25 PM UTC-7, John Larkin wrote:

On Sat, 18 Apr 2020 12:10:56 -0700 (PDT), whit3rd <whit3rd@gmail.com
wrote:

We decided not to dance on the cliff edge, and it worked, we didn't fall into
the sea! So, why don't we go back and dance on the cliff edge!

Right. Let's lock down every year, for every flu and cold virus that
shows initial exponential growth, which will of course be all of them.
Can't be too careful.

Even one order of magnitude matters. Three matters a lot.
One-meter cliff, we dance. One-kilometer cliff, we don't.
Learn to use numbers.

 

[bitrex]

On 4/18/2020 3:45 PM, John Larkin wrote:

On Sat, 18 Apr 2020 15:05:32 -0400, bitrex <user@example.net> wrote:

On 4/18/2020 2:57 PM, John Larkin wrote:
On Sat, 18 Apr 2020 14:30:36 -0400, bitrex <user@example.net> wrote:

On 4/18/2020 2:25 PM, bitrex wrote:
On 4/18/2020 9:26 AM, Clive Arthur wrote:
Not a normally reliable news source, but the pictures probably don't lie.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8232253/Americans-answer-Trumps-call-liberate-states-governors-stringent-coronavirus-lockdowns.html



The pictures are sometimes hilarious, like the guy who says "Covid-19 is
a LIE" but is wearing a mask and suit.

The woman (I think?) holding what looks to be a Bible with a patch on
their jacket that says "Natural Born Hellraiser." A true disciple of the
Lord I am sure.

gosh Trumpers really will do just about anything for their 15 minutes.

Well, anything but put in an honest day's work, that is.

Grow and truck your food, and supply you housing and energy, useless
stuff like that.


None of the "protestors" look like they're destitute walking around with
5 grand worth of tattoos and $2000 rifles, joyriding on 15k ATVs and
rolling 60k trucks acting like they're all going to go broke any minute
unless America re-opens on their say-so.

What a bunch of flag-wavin' Bible-thumping frauds.

You are nasty. You are afraid and insecure. You need to hate. You are
probably not very good at electronic design. All those are related.

I'm honest about what I can and can't do wrt electronics design with my
clients.

I haven't starved yet either, there's plenty of work to go around it seems.

 

[John Larkin]

On Sat, 18 Apr 2020 13:17:52 -0700 (PDT), whit3rd <whit3rd@gmail.com>
wrote:

On Saturday, April 18, 2020 at 12:56:25 PM UTC-7, John Larkin wrote:
On Sat, 18 Apr 2020 12:10:56 -0700 (PDT), whit3rd <whit3rd@gmail.com
wrote:

We decided not to dance on the cliff edge, and it worked, we didn't fall into
the sea! So, why don't we go back and dance on the cliff edge!

Right. Let's lock down every year, for every flu and cold virus that
shows initial exponential growth, which will of course be all of them.
Can't be too careful.

Even one order of magnitude matters. Three matters a lot.
One-meter cliff, we dance. One-kilometer cliff, we don't.
Learn to use numbers.

OK, shut down the economy and shelter in place, the whole northern
hemisphere at least, every year, from November 1 to May 1 maybe.

Of course, since we won't get flu or colds any more, our acquired
immunities will fade away.

--

John Larkin Highland Technology, Inc
picosecond timing precision measurement

jlarkin att highlandtechnology dott com
http://www.highlandtechnology.com

 

[bitrex]

On 4/18/2020 3:53 PM, John Larkin wrote:

On Sat, 18 Apr 2020 21:10:05 +0200, Jeroen Belleman
jeroen@nospam.please> wrote:

On 2020-04-18 20:39, Phil Hobbs wrote:
On 2020-04-18 13:28, jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
On Sat, 18 Apr 2020 10:15:56 -0700 (PDT), dagmargoodboat@yahoo.com
wrote:

On Saturday, April 18, 2020 at 12:47:22 PM UTC-4,
jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
On Sat, 18 Apr 2020 08:24:55 -0700 (PDT), dagmargoodboat@yahoo.com
wrote:

On Saturday, April 18, 2020 at 9:27:07 AM UTC-4, Clive Arthur wrote:
Not a normally reliable news source, but the pictures probably
don't lie.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8232253/Americans-answer-Trumps-call-liberate-states-governors-stringent-coronavirus-lockdowns.html


--
Cheers
Clive

Seems reasonable. The shutdown was to prevent hospitals from being
overwhelmed. Not to prevent people from getting sick, but just to
make sure they don't all get sick at the same time.

Well, we've managed that -- hospitals are underwhelmed -- so why not
get back to work?

About 40,000 Americans die in car accidents every year. Lots more are
grievously injured. But we don't shut the country down over that. (Or
ban cars, for that matter. Instead, we bail car companies out.)

Cheers,
James Arthur

Two ways to save a lot of lives:

Outlaw cigarettes.

Set the speed governors on all cars to 50 MPH.


The cigarette industry struck a devil's bargain with the states. Let
us keep giving millions of people emphysema and cancer and you get
more tax revenue.

From wiki:

According to a 2014 review in the New England Journal of Medicine,
tobacco will, if current smoking patterns persist, kill about 1
billion people in the 21st century, half of them before the age of
70.[9]


Why is no-one panicked about that?

Don't forget alcohol -- 88,000 annually.
https://www.cdc.gov/alcohol/fact-sheets/alcohol-use.htm

But there's a simple cure for this -- no need for a lock-down,
just eliminate food. Everyone succumbing to anything has, at
one point, eaten food. Eliminate food for a year or two, and
we eliminate all human disease, 100%.

Simple. What could possibly go wrong?

(And as a bonus, you eliminate income inequality at the same time.)

So let's continue preventing people from doing anything they'd do
to put food on their tables, and we'll save lives. It's for the
children.

Grins,
James

Chicago taxes cigarettes over $7 per pack. Many low-income smokers
spend over 20% of their income on cigarettes.

Who here has ever smoked? I'd like to know.

I did for a couple of years in high school, but never since.

Cheers

Phil Hobbs



I grew up in an environment of inveterate smokers. I vividly
remember family parties where the room was blue with smoke. I
never smoked myself. I've always found it disgusting. It was
so bad, in fact, that until my forties I hated the very smell
of oranges because my father used to eat one while smoking
after dinner. The association of cigarette smoke and oranges
had anchored itself in my mind so strongly that it took me
well over twentyfive years to free myself of it.

That's not the only weird olfactory recollection I have though.
Smells have a way of jogging my memory, amazingly selectively,
in both good and bad ways.

Jeroen Belleman

I had three uncles that died of lung cancer. Wesley had one cancerous
lung removed, and then went back to smoking.

Smoking kills about half a million people a year in the USA. We should
panic about that.

Science developed a quite-likely safer alternative by inhaling an
emulsion of nicotine of a desired concentration, propylene glycol, and
flavoring without carcinogen-producing combustion using a lithium ion
battery pack, an invention that will likely save thousands of lives.

And everyone lost their minds over it.

 

[John Larkin]

On Sat, 18 Apr 2020 15:05:32 -0400, bitrex <user@example.net> wrote:

On 4/18/2020 2:57 PM, John Larkin wrote:
On Sat, 18 Apr 2020 14:30:36 -0400, bitrex <user@example.net> wrote:

On 4/18/2020 2:25 PM, bitrex wrote:
On 4/18/2020 9:26 AM, Clive Arthur wrote:
Not a normally reliable news source, but the pictures probably don't lie.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8232253/Americans-answer-Trumps-call-liberate-states-governors-stringent-coronavirus-lockdowns.html



The pictures are sometimes hilarious, like the guy who says "Covid-19 is
a LIE" but is wearing a mask and suit.

The woman (I think?) holding what looks to be a Bible with a patch on
their jacket that says "Natural Born Hellraiser." A true disciple of the
Lord I am sure.

gosh Trumpers really will do just about anything for their 15 minutes.

Well, anything but put in an honest day's work, that is.

Grow and truck your food, and supply you housing and energy, useless
stuff like that.


None of the "protestors" look like they're destitute walking around with
5 grand worth of tattoos and $2000 rifles, joyriding on 15k ATVs and
rolling 60k trucks acting like they're all going to go broke any minute
unless America re-opens on their say-so.

What a bunch of flag-wavin' Bible-thumping frauds.

You are nasty. You are afraid and insecure. You need to hate. You are
probably not very good at electronic design. All those are related.

--

John Larkin Highland Technology, Inc
picosecond timing precision measurement

jlarkin att highlandtechnology dott com
http://www.highlandtechnology.com

 

On Saturday, April 18, 2020 at 1:28:09 PM UTC-4, jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:

On Sat, 18 Apr 2020 10:15:56 -0700 (PDT), dagmargoodboat@yahoo.com
wrote:

On Saturday, April 18, 2020 at 12:47:22 PM UTC-4, jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
On Sat, 18 Apr 2020 08:24:55 -0700 (PDT), dagmargoodboat@yahoo.com
wrote:

On Saturday, April 18, 2020 at 9:27:07 AM UTC-4, Clive Arthur wrote:
Not a normally reliable news source, but the pictures probably don't lie.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8232253/Americans-answer-Trumps-call-liberate-states-governors-stringent-coronavirus-lockdowns.html

--
Cheers
Clive

Seems reasonable. The shutdown was to prevent hospitals from being
overwhelmed. Not to prevent people from getting sick, but just to
make sure they don't all get sick at the same time.

Well, we've managed that -- hospitals are underwhelmed -- so why not
get back to work?

About 40,000 Americans die in car accidents every year. Lots more are
grievously injured. But we don't shut the country down over that. (Or
ban cars, for that matter. Instead, we bail car companies out.)

Cheers,
James Arthur

Two ways to save a lot of lives:

Outlaw cigarettes.

Set the speed governors on all cars to 50 MPH.


The cigarette industry struck a devil's bargain with the states. Let
us keep giving millions of people emphysema and cancer and you get
more tax revenue.

From wiki:

According to a 2014 review in the New England Journal of Medicine,
tobacco will, if current smoking patterns persist, kill about 1
billion people in the 21st century, half of them before the age of
70.[9]


Why is no-one panicked about that?

Don't forget alcohol -- 88,000 annually.
https://www.cdc.gov/alcohol/fact-sheets/alcohol-use.htm

But there's a simple cure for this -- no need for a lock-down,
just eliminate food. Everyone succumbing to anything has, at
one point, eaten food. Eliminate food for a year or two, and
we eliminate all human disease, 100%.

Simple. What could possibly go wrong?

(And as a bonus, you eliminate income inequality at the same time.)

So let's continue preventing people from doing anything they'd do
to put food on their tables, and we'll save lives. It's for the
children.

Grins,
James

Chicago taxes cigarettes over $7 per pack. Many low-income smokers
spend over 20% of their income on cigarettes.

Who here has ever smoked? I'd like to know.

When I was five I scooped up a cigarette tossed from a passing truck,
collected a curious buddy, and took a sample puff. Yuck!

I threw it away.

Cheers,
James

 

[bitrex]

On 4/18/2020 4:32 PM, John Larkin wrote:

On Sat, 18 Apr 2020 13:17:52 -0700 (PDT), whit3rd <whit3rd@gmail.com
wrote:

On Saturday, April 18, 2020 at 12:56:25 PM UTC-7, John Larkin wrote:
On Sat, 18 Apr 2020 12:10:56 -0700 (PDT), whit3rd <whit3rd@gmail.com
wrote:

We decided not to dance on the cliff edge, and it worked, we didn't fall into
the sea! So, why don't we go back and dance on the cliff edge!

Right. Let's lock down every year, for every flu and cold virus that
shows initial exponential growth, which will of course be all of them.
Can't be too careful.

Even one order of magnitude matters. Three matters a lot.
One-meter cliff, we dance. One-kilometer cliff, we don't.
Learn to use numbers.

OK, shut down the economy and shelter in place, the whole northern
hemisphere at least, every year, from November 1 to May 1 maybe.

Of course, since we won't get flu or colds any more, our acquired
immunities will fade away.

Why are conservatives so blase about the lives of the living and so
focused on the lives of the unborn?

Oh, right. Saying one cares deeply about the unborn requires no effort
or personal sacrifices.

 

[John Larkin]

On Sat, 18 Apr 2020 16:41:53 -0400, bitrex <user@example.net> wrote:

On 4/18/2020 3:53 PM, John Larkin wrote:
On Sat, 18 Apr 2020 21:10:05 +0200, Jeroen Belleman
jeroen@nospam.please> wrote:

On 2020-04-18 20:39, Phil Hobbs wrote:
On 2020-04-18 13:28, jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
On Sat, 18 Apr 2020 10:15:56 -0700 (PDT), dagmargoodboat@yahoo.com
wrote:

On Saturday, April 18, 2020 at 12:47:22 PM UTC-4,
jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
On Sat, 18 Apr 2020 08:24:55 -0700 (PDT), dagmargoodboat@yahoo.com
wrote:

On Saturday, April 18, 2020 at 9:27:07 AM UTC-4, Clive Arthur wrote:
Not a normally reliable news source, but the pictures probably
don't lie.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8232253/Americans-answer-Trumps-call-liberate-states-governors-stringent-coronavirus-lockdowns.html


--
Cheers
Clive

Seems reasonable. The shutdown was to prevent hospitals from being
overwhelmed. Not to prevent people from getting sick, but just to
make sure they don't all get sick at the same time.

Well, we've managed that -- hospitals are underwhelmed -- so why not
get back to work?

About 40,000 Americans die in car accidents every year. Lots more are
grievously injured. But we don't shut the country down over that. (Or
ban cars, for that matter. Instead, we bail car companies out.)

Cheers,
James Arthur

Two ways to save a lot of lives:

Outlaw cigarettes.

Set the speed governors on all cars to 50 MPH.


The cigarette industry struck a devil's bargain with the states. Let
us keep giving millions of people emphysema and cancer and you get
more tax revenue.

From wiki:

According to a 2014 review in the New England Journal of Medicine,
tobacco will, if current smoking patterns persist, kill about 1
billion people in the 21st century, half of them before the age of
70.[9]


Why is no-one panicked about that?

Don't forget alcohol -- 88,000 annually.
https://www.cdc.gov/alcohol/fact-sheets/alcohol-use.htm

But there's a simple cure for this -- no need for a lock-down,
just eliminate food. Everyone succumbing to anything has, at
one point, eaten food. Eliminate food for a year or two, and
we eliminate all human disease, 100%.

Simple. What could possibly go wrong?

(And as a bonus, you eliminate income inequality at the same time.)

So let's continue preventing people from doing anything they'd do
to put food on their tables, and we'll save lives. It's for the
children.

Grins,
James

Chicago taxes cigarettes over $7 per pack. Many low-income smokers
spend over 20% of their income on cigarettes.

Who here has ever smoked? I'd like to know.

I did for a couple of years in high school, but never since.

Cheers

Phil Hobbs



I grew up in an environment of inveterate smokers. I vividly
remember family parties where the room was blue with smoke. I
never smoked myself. I've always found it disgusting. It was
so bad, in fact, that until my forties I hated the very smell
of oranges because my father used to eat one while smoking
after dinner. The association of cigarette smoke and oranges
had anchored itself in my mind so strongly that it took me
well over twentyfive years to free myself of it.

That's not the only weird olfactory recollection I have though.
Smells have a way of jogging my memory, amazingly selectively,
in both good and bad ways.

Jeroen Belleman

I had three uncles that died of lung cancer. Wesley had one cancerous
lung removed, and then went back to smoking.

Smoking kills about half a million people a year in the USA. We should
panic about that.


Science developed a quite-likely safer alternative by inhaling an
emulsion of nicotine of a desired concentration, propylene glycol, and
flavoring without carcinogen-producing combustion using a lithium ion
battery pack, an invention that will likely save thousands of lives.

And everyone lost their minds over it.

Have you switched to vaping?

Vaping has addicted millions of kids to nicotine.

--

John Larkin Highland Technology, Inc
picosecond timing precision measurement

jlarkin att highlandtechnology dott com
http://www.highlandtechnology.com

 

[bitrex]

On 4/18/2020 5:00 PM, John Larkin wrote:

On Sat, 18 Apr 2020 16:41:53 -0400, bitrex <user@example.net> wrote:

On 4/18/2020 3:53 PM, John Larkin wrote:
On Sat, 18 Apr 2020 21:10:05 +0200, Jeroen Belleman
jeroen@nospam.please> wrote:

On 2020-04-18 20:39, Phil Hobbs wrote:
On 2020-04-18 13:28, jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
On Sat, 18 Apr 2020 10:15:56 -0700 (PDT), dagmargoodboat@yahoo.com
wrote:

On Saturday, April 18, 2020 at 12:47:22 PM UTC-4,
jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
On Sat, 18 Apr 2020 08:24:55 -0700 (PDT), dagmargoodboat@yahoo.com
wrote:

On Saturday, April 18, 2020 at 9:27:07 AM UTC-4, Clive Arthur wrote:
Not a normally reliable news source, but the pictures probably
don't lie.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8232253/Americans-answer-Trumps-call-liberate-states-governors-stringent-coronavirus-lockdowns.html


--
Cheers
Clive

Seems reasonable. The shutdown was to prevent hospitals from being
overwhelmed. Not to prevent people from getting sick, but just to
make sure they don't all get sick at the same time.

Well, we've managed that -- hospitals are underwhelmed -- so why not
get back to work?

About 40,000 Americans die in car accidents every year. Lots more are
grievously injured. But we don't shut the country down over that. (Or
ban cars, for that matter. Instead, we bail car companies out.)

Cheers,
James Arthur

Two ways to save a lot of lives:

Outlaw cigarettes.

Set the speed governors on all cars to 50 MPH.


The cigarette industry struck a devil's bargain with the states. Let
us keep giving millions of people emphysema and cancer and you get
more tax revenue.

From wiki:

According to a 2014 review in the New England Journal of Medicine,
tobacco will, if current smoking patterns persist, kill about 1
billion people in the 21st century, half of them before the age of
70.[9]


Why is no-one panicked about that?

Don't forget alcohol -- 88,000 annually.
https://www.cdc.gov/alcohol/fact-sheets/alcohol-use.htm

But there's a simple cure for this -- no need for a lock-down,
just eliminate food. Everyone succumbing to anything has, at
one point, eaten food. Eliminate food for a year or two, and
we eliminate all human disease, 100%.

Simple. What could possibly go wrong?

(And as a bonus, you eliminate income inequality at the same time.)

So let's continue preventing people from doing anything they'd do
to put food on their tables, and we'll save lives. It's for the
children.

Grins,
James

Chicago taxes cigarettes over $7 per pack. Many low-income smokers
spend over 20% of their income on cigarettes.

Who here has ever smoked? I'd like to know.

I did for a couple of years in high school, but never since.

Cheers

Phil Hobbs



I grew up in an environment of inveterate smokers. I vividly
remember family parties where the room was blue with smoke. I
never smoked myself. I've always found it disgusting. It was
so bad, in fact, that until my forties I hated the very smell
of oranges because my father used to eat one while smoking
after dinner. The association of cigarette smoke and oranges
had anchored itself in my mind so strongly that it took me
well over twentyfive years to free myself of it.

That's not the only weird olfactory recollection I have though.
Smells have a way of jogging my memory, amazingly selectively,
in both good and bad ways.

Jeroen Belleman

I had three uncles that died of lung cancer. Wesley had one cancerous
lung removed, and then went back to smoking.

Smoking kills about half a million people a year in the USA. We should
panic about that.


Science developed a quite-likely safer alternative by inhaling an
emulsion of nicotine of a desired concentration, propylene glycol, and
flavoring without carcinogen-producing combustion using a lithium ion
battery pack, an invention that will likely save thousands of lives.

And everyone lost their minds over it.

Have you switched to vaping?

Vaping has addicted millions of kids to nicotine.

The legal age to buy the products is 21 in my state, 21 year olds aren't
children. At least not by any legal definition of the term.

What's very remarkable about visiting a college campus now is there are
almost no "kids" smoking, anywhere. You can walk for a half hour through
Brown University campus and not see a single student smoking cigs. Even
20 years ago when I was in school there were many smokers standing
around outside the class buildings at colleges.

 

[bitrex]

On 4/18/2020 5:00 PM, John Larkin wrote:

On Sat, 18 Apr 2020 16:41:53 -0400, bitrex <user@example.net> wrote:

On 4/18/2020 3:53 PM, John Larkin wrote:
On Sat, 18 Apr 2020 21:10:05 +0200, Jeroen Belleman
jeroen@nospam.please> wrote:

On 2020-04-18 20:39, Phil Hobbs wrote:
On 2020-04-18 13:28, jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
On Sat, 18 Apr 2020 10:15:56 -0700 (PDT), dagmargoodboat@yahoo.com
wrote:

On Saturday, April 18, 2020 at 12:47:22 PM UTC-4,
jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
On Sat, 18 Apr 2020 08:24:55 -0700 (PDT), dagmargoodboat@yahoo.com
wrote:

On Saturday, April 18, 2020 at 9:27:07 AM UTC-4, Clive Arthur wrote:
Not a normally reliable news source, but the pictures probably
don't lie.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8232253/Americans-answer-Trumps-call-liberate-states-governors-stringent-coronavirus-lockdowns.html


--
Cheers
Clive

Seems reasonable. The shutdown was to prevent hospitals from being
overwhelmed. Not to prevent people from getting sick, but just to
make sure they don't all get sick at the same time.

Well, we've managed that -- hospitals are underwhelmed -- so why not
get back to work?

About 40,000 Americans die in car accidents every year. Lots more are
grievously injured. But we don't shut the country down over that. (Or
ban cars, for that matter. Instead, we bail car companies out.)

Cheers,
James Arthur

Two ways to save a lot of lives:

Outlaw cigarettes.

Set the speed governors on all cars to 50 MPH.


The cigarette industry struck a devil's bargain with the states. Let
us keep giving millions of people emphysema and cancer and you get
more tax revenue.

From wiki:

According to a 2014 review in the New England Journal of Medicine,
tobacco will, if current smoking patterns persist, kill about 1
billion people in the 21st century, half of them before the age of
70.[9]


Why is no-one panicked about that?

Don't forget alcohol -- 88,000 annually.
https://www.cdc.gov/alcohol/fact-sheets/alcohol-use.htm

But there's a simple cure for this -- no need for a lock-down,
just eliminate food. Everyone succumbing to anything has, at
one point, eaten food. Eliminate food for a year or two, and
we eliminate all human disease, 100%.

Simple. What could possibly go wrong?

(And as a bonus, you eliminate income inequality at the same time.)

So let's continue preventing people from doing anything they'd do
to put food on their tables, and we'll save lives. It's for the
children.

Grins,
James

Chicago taxes cigarettes over $7 per pack. Many low-income smokers
spend over 20% of their income on cigarettes.

Who here has ever smoked? I'd like to know.

I did for a couple of years in high school, but never since.

Cheers

Phil Hobbs



I grew up in an environment of inveterate smokers. I vividly
remember family parties where the room was blue with smoke. I
never smoked myself. I've always found it disgusting. It was
so bad, in fact, that until my forties I hated the very smell
of oranges because my father used to eat one while smoking
after dinner. The association of cigarette smoke and oranges
had anchored itself in my mind so strongly that it took me
well over twentyfive years to free myself of it.

That's not the only weird olfactory recollection I have though.
Smells have a way of jogging my memory, amazingly selectively,
in both good and bad ways.

Jeroen Belleman

I had three uncles that died of lung cancer. Wesley had one cancerous
lung removed, and then went back to smoking.

Smoking kills about half a million people a year in the USA. We should
panic about that.


Science developed a quite-likely safer alternative by inhaling an
emulsion of nicotine of a desired concentration, propylene glycol, and
flavoring without carcinogen-producing combustion using a lithium ion
battery pack, an invention that will likely save thousands of lives.

And everyone lost their minds over it.

Have you switched to vaping?

Vaping has addicted millions of kids to nicotine.

Did u know alcohol has addicted millions of kids to alcohol? And even
though the dangers of drunk-driving are well-known almost every bar in
the suburbs has a large parking lot. ???????

 

[bitrex]

On 4/18/2020 6:08 PM, Phil Hobbs wrote:

On 2020-04-18 15:53, John Larkin wrote:
On Sat, 18 Apr 2020 21:10:05 +0200, Jeroen Belleman
jeroen@nospam.please> wrote:

On 2020-04-18 20:39, Phil Hobbs wrote:
On 2020-04-18 13:28, jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
On Sat, 18 Apr 2020 10:15:56 -0700 (PDT), dagmargoodboat@yahoo.com
wrote:

On Saturday, April 18, 2020 at 12:47:22 PM UTC-4,
jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
On Sat, 18 Apr 2020 08:24:55 -0700 (PDT), dagmargoodboat@yahoo.com
wrote:

On Saturday, April 18, 2020 at 9:27:07 AM UTC-4, Clive Arthur
wrote:
Not a normally reliable news source, but the pictures probably
don't lie.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8232253/Americans-answer-Trumps-call-liberate-states-governors-stringent-coronavirus-lockdowns.html



--
Cheers
Clive

Seems reasonable.  The shutdown was to prevent hospitals from being
overwhelmed.  Not to prevent people from getting sick, but just to
make sure they don't all get sick at the same time.

Well, we've managed that -- hospitals are underwhelmed -- so why
not
get back to work?

About 40,000 Americans die in car accidents every year. Lots
more are
grievously injured.  But we don't shut the country down over
that. (Or
ban cars, for that matter. Instead, we bail car companies out.)

Cheers,
James Arthur

Two ways to save a lot of lives:

Outlaw cigarettes.

Set the speed governors on all cars to 50 MPH.


The cigarette industry struck a devil's bargain with the states. Let
us keep giving millions of people emphysema and cancer and you get
more tax revenue.

  From wiki:

According to a 2014 review in the New England Journal of Medicine,
tobacco will, if current smoking patterns persist, kill about 1
billion people in the 21st century, half of them before the age of
70.[9]


Why is no-one panicked about that?

Don't forget alcohol -- 88,000 annually.
   https://www.cdc.gov/alcohol/fact-sheets/alcohol-use.htm

But there's a simple cure for this -- no need for a lock-down,
just eliminate food.  Everyone succumbing to anything has, at
one point, eaten food.  Eliminate food for a year or two, and
we eliminate all human disease, 100%.

Simple.  What could possibly go wrong?

(And as a bonus, you eliminate income inequality at the same time.)

So let's continue preventing people from doing anything they'd do
to put food on their tables, and we'll save lives.  It's for the
children.

Grins,
James

Chicago taxes cigarettes over $7 per pack. Many low-income smokers
spend over 20% of their income on cigarettes.

Who here has ever smoked? I'd like to know.

I did for a couple of years in high school, but never since.

Cheers

Phil Hobbs



I grew up in an environment of inveterate smokers. I vividly
remember family parties where the room was blue with smoke. I
never smoked myself. I've always found it disgusting. It was
so bad, in fact, that until my forties I hated the very smell
of oranges because my father used to eat one while smoking
after dinner. The association of cigarette smoke and oranges
had anchored itself in my mind so strongly that it took me
well over twentyfive years to free myself of it.

That's not the only weird olfactory recollection I have though.
Smells have a way of jogging my memory, amazingly selectively,
in both good and bad ways.

Jeroen Belleman

I had three uncles that died of lung cancer. Wesley had one cancerous
lung removed, and then went back to smoking.

Smoking kills about half a million people a year in the USA. We should
panic about that.

George Carlin nailed it 20 years ago.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j3Ptk6EHT8I

Weird hearing a leftist talk about liberty.

Cheers

Phil Hobbs

Where was your pogue-Irish family at when the Constitution was written,
still farming potatoes in the old country looking for a king's ass to
kiss, I expect.

 

[Phil Hobbs]

On 2020-04-18 15:53, John Larkin wrote:

On Sat, 18 Apr 2020 21:10:05 +0200, Jeroen Belleman
jeroen@nospam.please> wrote:

On 2020-04-18 20:39, Phil Hobbs wrote:
On 2020-04-18 13:28, jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
On Sat, 18 Apr 2020 10:15:56 -0700 (PDT), dagmargoodboat@yahoo.com
wrote:

On Saturday, April 18, 2020 at 12:47:22 PM UTC-4,
jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
On Sat, 18 Apr 2020 08:24:55 -0700 (PDT), dagmargoodboat@yahoo.com
wrote:

On Saturday, April 18, 2020 at 9:27:07 AM UTC-4, Clive Arthur wrote:
Not a normally reliable news source, but the pictures probably
don't lie.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8232253/Americans-answer-Trumps-call-liberate-states-governors-stringent-coronavirus-lockdowns.html


--
Cheers
Clive

Seems reasonable. The shutdown was to prevent hospitals from being
overwhelmed. Not to prevent people from getting sick, but just to
make sure they don't all get sick at the same time.

Well, we've managed that -- hospitals are underwhelmed -- so why not
get back to work?

About 40,000 Americans die in car accidents every year. Lots more are
grievously injured. But we don't shut the country down over that. (Or
ban cars, for that matter. Instead, we bail car companies out.)

Cheers,
James Arthur

Two ways to save a lot of lives:

Outlaw cigarettes.

Set the speed governors on all cars to 50 MPH.


The cigarette industry struck a devil's bargain with the states. Let
us keep giving millions of people emphysema and cancer and you get
more tax revenue.

From wiki:

According to a 2014 review in the New England Journal of Medicine,
tobacco will, if current smoking patterns persist, kill about 1
billion people in the 21st century, half of them before the age of
70.[9]


Why is no-one panicked about that?

Don't forget alcohol -- 88,000 annually.
https://www.cdc.gov/alcohol/fact-sheets/alcohol-use.htm

But there's a simple cure for this -- no need for a lock-down,
just eliminate food. Everyone succumbing to anything has, at
one point, eaten food. Eliminate food for a year or two, and
we eliminate all human disease, 100%.

Simple. What could possibly go wrong?

(And as a bonus, you eliminate income inequality at the same time.)

So let's continue preventing people from doing anything they'd do
to put food on their tables, and we'll save lives. It's for the
children.

Grins,
James

Chicago taxes cigarettes over $7 per pack. Many low-income smokers
spend over 20% of their income on cigarettes.

Who here has ever smoked? I'd like to know.

I did for a couple of years in high school, but never since.

Cheers

Phil Hobbs



I grew up in an environment of inveterate smokers. I vividly
remember family parties where the room was blue with smoke. I
never smoked myself. I've always found it disgusting. It was
so bad, in fact, that until my forties I hated the very smell
of oranges because my father used to eat one while smoking
after dinner. The association of cigarette smoke and oranges
had anchored itself in my mind so strongly that it took me
well over twentyfive years to free myself of it.

That's not the only weird olfactory recollection I have though.
Smells have a way of jogging my memory, amazingly selectively,
in both good and bad ways.

Jeroen Belleman

I had three uncles that died of lung cancer. Wesley had one cancerous
lung removed, and then went back to smoking.

Smoking kills about half a million people a year in the USA. We should
panic about that.

George Carlin nailed it 20 years ago.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j3Ptk6EHT8I

Weird hearing a leftist talk about liberty.

Cheers

Phil Hobbs

--
Dr Philip C D Hobbs
Principal Consultant
ElectroOptical Innovations LLC / Hobbs ElectroOptics
Optics, Electro-optics, Photonics, Analog Electronics
Briarcliff Manor NY 10510

http://electrooptical.net
http://hobbs-eo.com

 

On Saturday, April 18, 2020 at 3:11:02 PM UTC-4, whit3rd wrote:

On Saturday, April 18, 2020 at 8:25:00 AM UTC-7, dagmarg...@yahoo.com wrote:

Seems reasonable. The shutdown was to prevent hospitals from being
overwhelmed. Not to prevent people from getting sick, but just to
make sure they don't all get sick at the same time.

Well, we've managed that -- hospitals are underwhelmed -- so why not
get back to work?

We decided not to dance on the cliff edge, and it worked, we didn't fall into
the sea! So, why don't we go back and dance on the cliff edge!

That argument surprises me. Hunkering down month after month is
a) untenable, and b) ineffective.

As soon as hunkered-down people emerge there's still virus circulating,
and they're still susceptible.

Besides being ruinous, locking healthy people up indefinitely and
arbitrarily is inhuman, a gross violation of human rights, and
serves no purpose.

Cheers,
James Arthur

 

[bitrex]

On 4/18/2020 6:08 PM, Phil Hobbs wrote:

On 2020-04-18 15:53, John Larkin wrote:
On Sat, 18 Apr 2020 21:10:05 +0200, Jeroen Belleman
jeroen@nospam.please> wrote:

On 2020-04-18 20:39, Phil Hobbs wrote:
On 2020-04-18 13:28, jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
On Sat, 18 Apr 2020 10:15:56 -0700 (PDT), dagmargoodboat@yahoo.com
wrote:

On Saturday, April 18, 2020 at 12:47:22 PM UTC-4,
jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
On Sat, 18 Apr 2020 08:24:55 -0700 (PDT), dagmargoodboat@yahoo.com
wrote:

On Saturday, April 18, 2020 at 9:27:07 AM UTC-4, Clive Arthur
wrote:
Not a normally reliable news source, but the pictures probably
don't lie.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8232253/Americans-answer-Trumps-call-liberate-states-governors-stringent-coronavirus-lockdowns.html



--
Cheers
Clive

Seems reasonable.  The shutdown was to prevent hospitals from being
overwhelmed.  Not to prevent people from getting sick, but just to
make sure they don't all get sick at the same time.

Well, we've managed that -- hospitals are underwhelmed -- so why
not
get back to work?

About 40,000 Americans die in car accidents every year. Lots
more are
grievously injured.  But we don't shut the country down over
that. (Or
ban cars, for that matter. Instead, we bail car companies out.)

Cheers,
James Arthur

Two ways to save a lot of lives:

Outlaw cigarettes.

Set the speed governors on all cars to 50 MPH.


The cigarette industry struck a devil's bargain with the states. Let
us keep giving millions of people emphysema and cancer and you get
more tax revenue.

  From wiki:

According to a 2014 review in the New England Journal of Medicine,
tobacco will, if current smoking patterns persist, kill about 1
billion people in the 21st century, half of them before the age of
70.[9]


Why is no-one panicked about that?

Don't forget alcohol -- 88,000 annually.
   https://www.cdc.gov/alcohol/fact-sheets/alcohol-use.htm

But there's a simple cure for this -- no need for a lock-down,
just eliminate food.  Everyone succumbing to anything has, at
one point, eaten food.  Eliminate food for a year or two, and
we eliminate all human disease, 100%.

Simple.  What could possibly go wrong?

(And as a bonus, you eliminate income inequality at the same time.)

So let's continue preventing people from doing anything they'd do
to put food on their tables, and we'll save lives.  It's for the
children.

Grins,
James

Chicago taxes cigarettes over $7 per pack. Many low-income smokers
spend over 20% of their income on cigarettes.

Who here has ever smoked? I'd like to know.

I did for a couple of years in high school, but never since.

Cheers

Phil Hobbs



I grew up in an environment of inveterate smokers. I vividly
remember family parties where the room was blue with smoke. I
never smoked myself. I've always found it disgusting. It was
so bad, in fact, that until my forties I hated the very smell
of oranges because my father used to eat one while smoking
after dinner. The association of cigarette smoke and oranges
had anchored itself in my mind so strongly that it took me
well over twentyfive years to free myself of it.

That's not the only weird olfactory recollection I have though.
Smells have a way of jogging my memory, amazingly selectively,
in both good and bad ways.

Jeroen Belleman

I had three uncles that died of lung cancer. Wesley had one cancerous
lung removed, and then went back to smoking.

Smoking kills about half a million people a year in the USA. We should
panic about that.

George Carlin nailed it 20 years ago.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j3Ptk6EHT8I

Weird hearing a leftist talk about liberty.

Cheers

Phil Hobbs

All of Europe would still be kissing the Catholic Church and the King's
ass if it weren't for "leftism." And it sure seems like a bunch of
conservatives are nostalgic for the experience, these days.

 

[whit3rd]

On Saturday, April 18, 2020 at 1:32:23 PM UTC-7, John Larkin wrote:

On Sat, 18 Apr 2020 13:17:52 -0700 (PDT), whit3rd <whit3rd@gmail.com
wrote:

Learn to use numbers.

OK, shut down the economy and shelter in place, the whole northern
hemisphere at least, every year, from November 1 to May 1 maybe.

Your assignment was to use numbers. F.

 

[Ricky C]

On Saturday, April 18, 2020 at 9:27:07 AM UTC-4, Clive Arthur wrote:

Not a normally reliable news source, but the pictures probably don't lie.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8232253/Americans-answer-Trumps-call-liberate-states-governors-stringent-coronavirus-lockdowns.html

Holding signs with important points like,

"#fake crisis"

"Every business is essential"

"Reopen Now"

and then some people have less lofty sights...

"I need a haircut"

Ok.

--

Rick C.

- Get 1,000 miles of free Supercharging
- Tesla referral code - https://ts.la/richard11209

 

[John Larkin]

On Sat, 18 Apr 2020 15:35:43 -0700 (PDT), whit3rd <whit3rd@gmail.com>
wrote:

On Saturday, April 18, 2020 at 1:32:23 PM UTC-7, John Larkin wrote:
On Sat, 18 Apr 2020 13:17:52 -0700 (PDT), whit3rd <whit3rd@gmail.com
wrote:

Learn to use numbers.

OK, shut down the economy and shelter in place, the whole northern
hemisphere at least, every year, from November 1 to May 1 maybe.

Your assignment was to use numbers. F.

Dates are numbers.

Our local Board of Stupidvisors now require masks to be worn in
public. Most people on the streets, including me, don't.

Mo made me a colorful pleated mask with yoga ladies pictured. I carry
it in my pocket in the remote event that a cop harasses me or I need
to go into City Hall.

Freeway traffic is building back up. Pity, because last week I could
take the empty freeway and get to work in 7 minutes door-to-door. I'll
have to resume using back streets again soon.

https://www.dropbox.com/s/isv3s14vyudrod8/US101_4-18-2020.jpg?raw=1


--

John Larkin Highland Technology, Inc
picosecond timing precision measurement

jlarkin att highlandtechnology dott com
http://www.highlandtechnology.com

 

[mpm]

On Saturday, April 18, 2020 at 7:34:11 PM UTC-4, Ricky C wrote:

and then some people have less lofty sights...

"I need a haircut"

Funny you mention that...

I've made a pretty good profit the last couple of weeks on RGS.
A lot of their stores are not open, but people's hair keeps growing.
(Mine own is starting to bug me....)
Eventually, there's going to be a lot of pent-up demand for haircuts. (?)

And Regis owns Supercuts (a low budget option), so they may have quite a few new customers if we ever get back to normal.

I got in low enough that I should (famous last words) easily triple my investment.