OT: Sanctions...

[whit3rd]

On Thursday, March 31, 2022 at 12:37:56 PM UTC-7, Commander Kinsey wrote:

> Why would Russia attack me? I\'m thinking of defecting to their wonderful country.

Oh, you\'re thinking? Not just obeying? The cheka have you on their list...

Seriously, the \'why would Russia\' questions don\'t always have rational answers.

 

[Commander Kinsey]

On Thu, 31 Mar 2022 20:26:21 +0100, John Doe <always.look@message.header> wrote:

Always Wrong, the foulmouthed troll who threatened
to kill me for not supporting \"freedom\"...

He uses Linux, don\'t expect any brains.

 

[Commander Kinsey]

On Thu, 31 Mar 2022 21:40:16 +0100, whit3rd <whit3rd@gmail.com> wrote:

On Thursday, March 31, 2022 at 12:37:56 PM UTC-7, Commander Kinsey wrote:

Why would Russia attack me? I\'m thinking of defecting to their wonderful country.

Oh, you\'re thinking? Not just obeying? The cheka have you on their list...

Seriously, the \'why would Russia\' questions don\'t always have rational answers.

You\'re showing your lack of intelligence, assuming the opponent is stupid. Do you have the stars and stripes hanging from the back of your \"truck\"?

 

[Commander Kinsey]

On Thu, 31 Mar 2022 04:07:11 +0100, Anthony William Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> wrote:

On Thursday, March 31, 2022 at 12:34:36 AM UTC+11, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Wed, 30 Mar 2022 01:05:00 +0100, Anthony William Sloman <bill....@ieee.org> wrote:

On Wednesday, March 30, 2022 at 7:19:38 AM UTC+11, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Tue, 29 Mar 2022 20:37:18 +0100, whit3rd <whi...@gmail.com> wrote:

On Tuesday, March 29, 2022 at 12:25:57 PM UTC-7, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Tue, 29 Mar 2022 19:25:47 +0100, <DecadentLinux...@decadence.org> wrote:

\"They\" stole nothing, you fucking idiot.

You do know what the USSR was don\'t you? Go look up an old map.

My \'Atlacc Mira\' pretty clearly shows Ukraine inside USSR, but not
that ownership devolves to Russia (also inside USSR).

Putin is, nominally, an elected official of Russia, not USSR.

Russia was 90% of the USSR, Russia should have what the USSR was.

Why? It wasn\'t as if the USSR delivered much in the way of benefits to it\'s members. Getting rid of monolithic Communist party rule has improved the state of all the former satellites. Russia itself hasn\'t done as well, mainly because their politicians don\'t seem to have a clue about encouraging and regulating free enterprise, and have set up a kleptocracy which rips off the country for the benefit of the kleptocrats just as badly as the Communist Party ripped off the country for the benefit of party members - there were more party members than there are kleptocrats, but the population as a whole doesn\'t seem to be doing any better.

Just look at the amount of goods Russia sold. Just look at the increase in expense of gas etc when we refused to buy from them.

You didn\'t bother finding the relevant international trade statistics, which probably means that you haven\'t got a clue about them.

https://crsreports.congress.gov/product/pdf/IF/IF12066

About all Russia does sell is oil and gas. It\'s an otherwise pathetic economy.

Those are the most used most expensive things in the world. Look up \"Arab riches oil\".

Ukraine must surrender and stop trying to join the pansy little EU.

The EU isn\'t little. It\'s population is 444 million people, an third again bigger than the US and about three times the population of Russia.

OCD.

Obsessive compulsive disorder?

[claps]

It\'s a pathetic organisation nobody likes.

More right-wing delusion.

You say that like right wing is a bad thing. Left wing is control. Why do you want to be controlled?

It\'s bad enough having Sturgeon and Boris both ruling Scotland, I don\'t want Brussels making even more rules.

Of course you don\'t. They stop you from doing all the criminal stuff that made you money.

If it was criminal it would be illegal by my own government\'s ruling, I don\'t need a foreign power giving me more laws.

The EU isn\'t a real thing, they\'re member countries in their own right. It\'s as stupid as the USA with state and federal laws.

Or the United Provinces of the Netherlands, or the Commonwealth of Australia. Every right-winger seems to want to be a medieval baron, dominating his local dung-heap.

No, I want to own my own stuff. Pure logic.

Ukraine just took back a city that the Russian\'s had briefly occupied. Surrendering to Russia wouldn\'t be all that sensible. Doing a bit of territorial expansion into Russia might be a bit ambitious, but it would strengthen their negotiating position.

Putin must have more weapons than the Ukraine, he should level it.

He\'s been trying to for a month now. He may have finally have realised that he hasn\'t got the numerical superiority he needs to win before he runs out of weapons and the people who have been trained - not well all that well - to use them. He\'s even running out of generals to lead his demoralised cannon-fodder.

The Ukraine has fuck all to fight back with. He should have just nuked the Ukraine in one surprise attack.

> Occupying a thoroughly pissed off country isn\'t easy - the US thought that they were going be enough more attractive than Saddam Hussein to be able to occupy Irak. Putin probably won\'t have that illusion.

The US couldn\'t kill Hussein, they were pathetic. Big bomb, level the whole country, the USA has enough power to do that. We don\'t need Iraqis.

 

[Commander Kinsey]

On Thu, 31 Mar 2022 13:13:03 +0100, Martin Brown <\'\'\'newspam\'\'\'@nonad.co.uk> wrote:

On 31/03/2022 04:07, Anthony William Sloman wrote:
On Thursday, March 31, 2022 at 12:34:36 AM UTC+11, Commander Kinsey
wrote:
On Wed, 30 Mar 2022 01:05:00 +0100, Anthony William Sloman
bill....@ieee.org> wrote:


Ukraine just took back a city that the Russian\'s had briefly
occupied. Surrendering to Russia wouldn\'t be all that sensible.
Doing a bit of territorial expansion into Russia might be a bit
ambitious, but it would strengthen their negotiating position.

Putin must have more weapons than the Ukraine, he should level it.

He\'s been trying to for a month now. He may have finally have
realised that he hasn\'t got the numerical superiority he needs to win
before he runs out of weapons and the people who have been trained -
not well all that well - to use them. He\'s even running out of
generals to lead his demoralised cannon-fodder.

It is even weirder that that. GCHQ reckons pissed off conscript Russian
soldiers have been shooting down their own air support and sabotaging
vehicle convoys not to mention broadcasting the location of their field
commanders in the clear. Not exactly professional behaviour!

Defectors, brainwashed by American propaganda that \"the west\" is wonderful.

https://www.businessinsider.com/gchq-putin-advisers-arent-telling-him-truth-about-ukraine-invasion-2022-3?r=US&IR=T

https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/britains-gchq-spy-chief-says-russian-soldiers-refused-carry-out-orders-ukraine-2022-03-30/

It seems Western intelligence agencies (with the sole exception of the
French) had more idea of Putin\'s plans than most Russians. The Frogs
have just fired their intelligence head of secret service:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-60938538

Occupying a thoroughly pissed off country isn\'t easy - the US thought
that they were going be enough more attractive than Saddam Hussein to
be able to occupy Irak. Putin probably won\'t have that illusion.

Vietnam followed closely by Afghanistan was probably the nadir for the US.
Grenada in 1983 was perhaps the most bizarre US invasion & occupation.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_invasion_of_Grenada

I find it more than a little peculiar that the deranged far right
nutters that infest this group are posting in support of Putin!

What on earth makes you think right wing is wrong? Left wing steals your money for public services you\'ll probably never use. Forced charity, or theft.

> I guess that is what watching Russia Today does to your brain.

It\'s the only unbiassed channel. Don\'t believe any British or American news.

 

[John Doe]

Electronics...

https://english.alarabiya.net/News/world/2022/04/01/US-slaps-sanctions-on-Russian-tech-firms-including-largest-chip-maker

\"US slaps sanctions on Russian tech firms, including largest chip maker\"

\"The United States hit a series of Russian tech firms with sanctions
Thursday, including the nation\'s largest chip maker, in the latest
punitive move against Vladimir Putin\'s \"war machine.\"






--

I wrote:

I don\'t understand why we are putting sanctions on Russia. THE SANCTIONS
ARE HURTING AMERICANS MORE THAN RUSSIA\'S INVASION OF UKRAINE HURT
AMERICANS. Seems lots of people want to hurt Russia more than they want to
help their own country.

Russia\'s non-aggressive response to Ukraine\'s unfair tariffs on its oil
pipes was to build oil pipes around Ukraine. This recent invasion didn\'t
even interrupt oil supply to Europe. But Europeans insist on doing so!

Jimmy Carter, known for trashing our economy (but of course it was the
other guy\'s fault), prevented us from selling wheat to Russia. Now Russia
exports wheat.

It\'s not working!

Killing 500,000 Iraqi children with sanctions is \"worth it\" according to
Madeleine Albright...

https://youtu.be/RM0uvgHKZe8

 

[m syadoz]

It has not escaped my notice that the date of implementation for the only rubles order is April 1. Prima Aprilis Putin. Joke’s on you.

#####


Like the nuclear weapons he has brandished rhetorically, an actual cutoff would entail some mutually assured destruction.==Bloomberg opinion

https://www.bloomberg.com/opinion/articles/2022-03-31/putin-would-be-crazy-to-cut-off-europe-s-gas-or-desperate



On Thursday, March 31, 2022 at 12:24:56 PM UTC-5, m syadoz wrote:

Selected paras

https://metro.co.uk/2022/03/31/ukraine-putin-threatens-to-cut-europe-off-from-russian-gas-16381746/

French finance Minister Bruno Le Maire said France and Germany rejected Russia’s demand.

The G7 previously rejected the proposal outright when it was first touted by the Kremlin.

Following the announcement, German chancellor Olaf Scholz said his government would keep paying in euros and dollars, setting up a showdown with Russia.

Speaking to Reuters, an anonymous Western security official cast doubt on Mr Putin’s threats.

They said: ‘It is also incredibly difficult for Russia to stop selling oil and gas to western Europe and even if over a period they might be able to increase some sales to the east, to China, to India, it is not going to replace sales that they are currently making to western Europe.

‘I am very skeptical these sorts of threats will be seen through, I think it would just be too damaging to the Russian state.’

 

[Anthony William Sloman]

On Friday, April 1, 2022 at 10:27:33 AM UTC+11, John Doe wrote:

I wrote:

I don\'t understand why we are putting sanctions on Russia. THE SANCTIONS ARE HURTING AMERICANS MORE THAN RUSSIA\'S INVASION OF UKRAINE HURT AMERICANS. Seems lots of people want to hurt Russia more than they want to help their own country.

John Doe doesn\'t understand much at the best of times. Getting a more honest and responsible government in Russia would offer definite advantages to the US and the rest of the world, but John Doe is too dim to realise that Putin and his kleptocrats are danger to themselves and the rest of the world

> > Russia\'s non-aggressive response to Ukraine\'s unfair tariffs on its oil pipes was to build oil pipes around Ukraine. This recent invasion didn\'t even interrupt oil supply to Europe. But Europeans insist on doing so!

With good reason, but not one that John doe can udnerstand.

> > Jimmy Carter, known for trashing our economy (but of course it was the other guy\'s fault), prevented us from selling wheat to Russia. Now Russia exports wheat.

The USSR always exported wheat, most of it grown in the Ukraine. The Ukraine was producing 14% of the world\'s wheat.

https://www.reuters.com/world/ukraine-sow-many-crops-possible-this-spring-president-2022-03-11/

> > It\'s not working!

Not that John Doe can explain why.

<snip>

Electronics...

https://english.alarabiya.net/News/world/2022/04/01/US-slaps-sanctions-on-Russian-tech-firms-including-largest-chip-maker

\"US slaps sanctions on Russian tech firms, including largest chip maker\"

\"The United States hit a series of Russian tech firms with sanctions Thursday, including the nation\'s largest chip maker, in the latest punitive move against Vladimir Putin\'s \"war machine.\"

So what?

--
Bill Sloman, Sydney

 

[m syadoz]

germany is considering expropriating the German subsidiaries of Gazprom and Rosneft.
Lol

https://www.handelsblatt.com/politik/deutschland/ukraine-krieg-energieversorgung-bedroht-habeck-spielt-rettung-russischer-tochterunternehmen-durch/28217476.html

On Thursday, March 31, 2022 at 8:45:43 PM UTC-5, m syadoz wrote:

It has not escaped my notice that the date of implementation for the only rubles order is April 1. Prima Aprilis Putin. Joke’s on you.

#####


Like the nuclear weapons he has brandished rhetorically, an actual cutoff would entail some mutually assured destruction.==Bloomberg opinion

https://www.bloomberg.com/opinion/articles/2022-03-31/putin-would-be-crazy-to-cut-off-europe-s-gas-or-desperate
On Thursday, March 31, 2022 at 12:24:56 PM UTC-5, m syadoz wrote:
Selected paras

https://metro.co.uk/2022/03/31/ukraine-putin-threatens-to-cut-europe-off-from-russian-gas-16381746/

French finance Minister Bruno Le Maire said France and Germany rejected Russia’s demand.

The G7 previously rejected the proposal outright when it was first touted by the Kremlin.

Following the announcement, German chancellor Olaf Scholz said his government would keep paying in euros and dollars, setting up a showdown with Russia.

Speaking to Reuters, an anonymous Western security official cast doubt on Mr Putin’s threats.

They said: ‘It is also incredibly difficult for Russia to stop selling oil and gas to western Europe and even if over a period they might be able to increase some sales to the east, to China, to India, it is not going to replace sales that they are currently making to western Europe.

‘I am very skeptical these sorts of threats will be seen through, I think it would just be too damaging to the Russian state.’

 

[John Doe]

Germany can run on windmills and unicorns?

This little troll sure is excited...



m syadoz <syadoz1@gmail.com> wrote:

 

[John Doe]

Ditte Juul Jorgensen, Director-General for @Energy4Europe, European
Commission, today...

\"Our unity is our strength. Working closely with Member States and
operators. EU coordination today to establish a common approach on
currency payments for gas contracts with Russia.\"

Italy wants to make a deal. Seems Germany and France are bloviating.
Can Germany run on windmills and unicorns?

Important stuff comes by the middle of this month.









I wrote:

This looks like a BIG if not HUGE story the media is not focusing on.

Just search Google for...

Russia (gas OR oil) Rubles

Russia says European countries who are arming its enemy (Ukraine) must pay
for Russian oil and gas in Rubles. Those countries are refusing to do so,
citing \"unfairness\" and \"breach of contract\".

I wonder how easy it is to turn off those pipes.

 

[server]

\"Commander Kinsey\" <CK1@nospam.com> wrote in
newsp.1jwyvadsmvhs6z@ryzen.lan:

On Thu, 31 Mar 2022 20:26:21 +0100, John Dope
always.look@message.header> wrote:

Always Wrong, the foulmouthed troll who threatened
to kill me for not supporting \"freedom\"...

He uses Linux, don\'t expect any brains.

You\'re an idiot, and that also includes any grasp of computer
science.

This is a Windows machine I post from, so you are a stupid analyst
wannabe as well. It doesn\'t get any more stupid. Oh wait... there is
the abject idiot you replied to.

Just get out on the road and walk to Russia so you can live there,
like you say you want.

Get the fuck out of free nations. Fuck you and the whore you were
shat out of.

 

[Commander Kinsey]

On Fri, 01 Apr 2022 22:47:56 +0100, <DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno@decadence.org> wrote:

\"Commander Kinsey\" <CK1@nospam.com> wrote in
newsp.1jwyvadsmvhs6z@ryzen.lan:

On Thu, 31 Mar 2022 20:26:21 +0100, John Dope
always.look@message.header> wrote:

Always Wrong, the foulmouthed troll who threatened
to kill me for not supporting \"freedom\"...

He uses Linux, don\'t expect any brains.


You\'re an idiot, and that also includes any grasp of computer
science.

This is a Windows machine I post from, so you are a stupid analyst
wannabe as well. It doesn\'t get any more stupid. Oh wait... there is
the abject idiot you replied to.

Just get out on the road and walk to Russia so you can live there,
like you say you want.

Get the fuck out of free nations. Fuck you and the whore you were
shat out of.

\"DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno\" - idiot.

 

[server]

\"Commander Kinsey\" <CK1@nospam.com> wrote in
newsp.1jw0mfwumvhs6z@ryzen.lan:

What on earth makes you think right wing is wrong? Left wing
steals your money for public services you\'ll probably never use.
Forced charity, or theft.

Tax revenues make the world go round. You thinking they \"steal\" your
money is you being an absolute idiot.

It does not matter what services get put in place, you stupid fuck.
The one step at a time forward march into civility is the key, and you
righyt wing total retards are broken with your lack of grasp of that
simple fact.

 

[Commander Kinsey]

On Fri, 01 Apr 2022 22:53:22 +0100, <DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno@decadence.org> wrote:

\"Commander Kinsey\" <CK1@nospam.com> wrote in
newsp.1jw0mfwumvhs6z@ryzen.lan:

What on earth makes you think right wing is wrong? Left wing
steals your money for public services you\'ll probably never use.
Forced charity, or theft.

Tax revenues make the world go round. You thinking they \"steal\" your
money is you being an absolute idiot.

It does not matter what services get put in place, you stupid fuck.
The one step at a time forward march into civility is the key, and you
righyt wing total retards are broken with your lack of grasp of that
simple fact.

They\'re paying for things I don\'t want them to pay for. You think that service is useful, then pay it, voluntarily. It\'s called charity.

 

[server]

\"Commander Kinsey\" <CK1@nospam.com> wrote in
newsp.1jyu2toqmvhs6z@ryzen.lan:

On Fri, 01 Apr 2022 22:47:56 +0100,
DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno@decadence.org> wrote:

\"Commander Kinsey\" <CK1@nospam.com> wrote in
newsp.1jwyvadsmvhs6z@ryzen.lan:

On Thu, 31 Mar 2022 20:26:21 +0100, John Dope
always.look@message.header> wrote:

Always Wrong, the foulmouthed troll who threatened
to kill me for not supporting \"freedom\"...

He uses Linux, don\'t expect any brains.


You\'re an idiot, and that also includes any grasp of computer
science.

This is a Windows machine I post from, so you are a stupid
analyst
wannabe as well. It doesn\'t get any more stupid. Oh wait...
there is the abject idiot you replied to.

Just get out on the road and walk to Russia so you can live
there,
like you say you want.

Get the fuck out of free nations. Fuck you and the whore you
were
shat out of.

\"DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno\" - idiot.

Yeah, and all you are the commander of is your anus. You\'re a
piece of shit. They should put your whore mother in prison for
failing to flush you the moment the severely ass fucked street slut
shat you.

 

[server]

\"Commander Kinsey\" <CK1@nospam.com> wrote in
newsp.1jyu4y0pmvhs6z@ryzen.lan:

> They\'re paying for things I don\'t want them to pay for.

Good for you, fuckhead. It is not your decision.

You think
that service is useful,

I think you could do the world a service if you jumped off of the
roof of a tall building.

> then pay it, voluntarily.

You\'re an idiot. Any observer can see that fact.

It\'s called
charity.

No. It\'s called your whore mother forgot to pull the flush handle.
You stink, boy.

 

[Commander Kinsey]

On Fri, 01 Apr 2022 23:22:20 +0100, <DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno@decadence.org> wrote:

\"Commander Kinsey\" <CK1@nospam.com> wrote in
newsp.1jyu2toqmvhs6z@ryzen.lan:

On Fri, 01 Apr 2022 22:47:56 +0100,
DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno@decadence.org> wrote:

\"Commander Kinsey\" <CK1@nospam.com> wrote in
newsp.1jwyvadsmvhs6z@ryzen.lan:

On Thu, 31 Mar 2022 20:26:21 +0100, John Dope
always.look@message.header> wrote:

Always Wrong, the foulmouthed troll who threatened
to kill me for not supporting \"freedom\"...

He uses Linux, don\'t expect any brains.


You\'re an idiot, and that also includes any grasp of computer
science.

This is a Windows machine I post from, so you are a stupid
analyst
wannabe as well. It doesn\'t get any more stupid. Oh wait...
there is the abject idiot you replied to.

Just get out on the road and walk to Russia so you can live
there,
like you say you want.

Get the fuck out of free nations. Fuck you and the whore you
were
shat out of.

\"DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno\" - idiot.

Yeah, and all you are the commander of is your anus. You\'re a
piece of shit. They should put your whore mother in prison for
failing to flush you the moment the severely ass fucked street slut
shat you.

QED, your insults are terrible. Did you get those from insult generator?

 

[Commander Kinsey]

On Fri, 01 Apr 2022 23:27:07 +0100, <DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno@decadence.org> wrote:

\"Commander Kinsey\" <CK1@nospam.com> wrote in
newsp.1jyu4y0pmvhs6z@ryzen.lan:

They\'re paying for things I don\'t want them to pay for.

Good for you, fuckhead. It is not your decision.

It\'s my money, so anyone using it without my permission is a thief.

You think
that service is useful,

I think you could do the world a service if you jumped off of the
roof of a tall building.

Not at the taxpayer\'s expense.

then pay it, voluntarily.

You\'re an idiot. Any observer can see that fact.

Did that point whoosh over your head? Let\'s try explaining it like you\'re five:

If say the NHS was made a charity, how many would pay? If you\'re right and everyone wants the NHS, then everyone would pay. So why make it mandatory?

 

[StupidAs StupidGet]

On Friday, April 1, 2022 at 3:27:13 PM UTC-7, DecadentLinux...@decadence.org wrote:

\"Commander Kinsey\" <C...@nospam.com> wrote in
newsp.1jyu4...@ryzen.lan:
They\'re paying for things I don\'t want them to pay for.
Good for you, fuckhead. It is not your decision.
You think
that service is useful,
I think you could do the world a service if you jumped off of the
roof of a tall building.

Even better if you jump with him.