OT: Sanctions...

[John Doe]

Ed Lee <edward.ming.lee@gmail.com> wrote:

> I am just applying John Doe\'s logic

Your comrade cannot follow a conversation.

That\'s not even close to my logic. The United Kingdom is not acting like a
hostile neighbor to the European Union. It is not inviting a powerful
EU-hostile MILITARY organization onto its territory.

A little research goes a long way, but you cannot be bothered.

 

[Commander Kinsey]

On Thu, 07 Apr 2022 01:21:13 +0100, John Doe <always.look@message.header> wrote:

whit3rd <whit3rd@gmail.com> wrote:

John Doe wrote:

For anyone who has time to do the research...

Since the Cold War ended, after Russia gave up Ukraine and many other
border countries, the MILITARY organization NATO has been expanding
eastward to those former Russian border countries.

Ukraine has its own government,

The problem is we Westerners were told by Western propaganda that Ukraine
is somehow a one-nation state. That is as false as it is foolish. Ukraine
is and always was a deeply divided country: Western Ukraine is
traditionally nazistic (they were on Hitler\'s side during WW2, and they
continue to be nazis) people speak their own dialect of Ukrainian language
and hate everyone else; Transcarpathia (Ruthenia) is anti-West Ukrainian
and moderately pro-Russian but most of all Ruthenians (speak their
language as well as Russian and Ukrainian) want to be reunited with
Hungary; Central Ukraine is the true Ukraine. Central Ukraine is very laid
back, moderately anti-West Ukrainian, moderately pro-Russian, speak
Ukrainian and Russian. Southern and Eastern Ukraine are very anti-West
Ukrainian, very pro-Russian, speak predominantly Russian. Crimea always
considered itself Russian; they hate West Ukrainians.

NATO is not a nation, but its members are nations with borders.

NATO is for cheer-leading the invasion of 3rd world countries, based on
whatever flimsy pretexts, but then freaking out when Russia does the same
to a country on its next important border.

Ukraine is less than 200 miles from Moscow.

Imperialist warmongers can\'t get enough WAR WAR WAR.

Our media goes nuts when Russia arms Syrian forces. We have our fingers in
wars that are halfway around the world while we do not even defend our own
borders.

Well said. Why didn\'t we get upset about NATO killing millions all over the world? Because they\'re in countries we\'ve never heard of like Syria. Oh but the Ukraine is geographically closer to us, they must be good guys.

 

[server]

\"Commander Kinsey\" <CK1@nospam.com> wrote in
newsp.1j6d3mmkmvhs6z@ryzen.lan:

> He\'s the only real leader left.

You really are a complete idiot.

> And the Chinky.

And that declaration of your idiocy is certain.

 

[Edward Hernandez]

The John Doe troll stated the following in message-id
<sdhn7c$pkp$4@dont-email.me>:

> The troll doesn\'t even know how to format a USENET post...

And the John Doe troll stated the following in message-id
<sg3kr7$qt5$1@dont-email.me>:

The reason Bozo cannot figure out how to get Google to keep from
breaking its lines in inappropriate places is because Bozo is
CLUELESS...

And yet, the clueless John Doe troll has itself posted yet another
incorrectly formatted USENET posting on Thu, 7 Apr 2022 00:25:47 -0000
(UTC) in message-id <t2lb2a$rtk$2@dont-email.me>.

Further, John Doe stated the following in message-id
<svsh05$lbh$5@dont-email.me> posted Fri, 4 Mar 2022 08:01:09 -0000
(UTC):

Compared to other regulars, Bozo contributes practically nothing
except insults to this group.

Yet, since Wed, 5 Jan 2022 04:10:38 -0000 (UTC) John Doe\'s post ratio to
USENET has been 57.5% of its posts contributing \"nothing except insults\"
to USENET.

KPzNIrDFBFxX

 

[Edward Hernandez]

The John Doe troll stated the following in message-id
<sdhn7c$pkp$4@dont-email.me>:

> The troll doesn\'t even know how to format a USENET post...

And the John Doe troll stated the following in message-id
<sg3kr7$qt5$1@dont-email.me>:

The reason Bozo cannot figure out how to get Google to keep from
breaking its lines in inappropriate places is because Bozo is
CLUELESS...

And yet, the clueless John Doe troll has itself posted yet another
incorrectly formatted USENET posting on Thu, 7 Apr 2022 00:25:59 -0000
(UTC) in message-id <t2lb2n$rtk$3@dont-email.me>.

Further, Troll Doe stated the following in message-id
<svsh05$lbh$5@dont-email.me> posted Fri, 4 Mar 2022 08:01:09 -0000
(UTC):

Compared to other regulars, Bozo contributes practically nothing
except insults to this group.

Yet, since Wed, 5 Jan 2022 04:10:38 -0000 (UTC) Troll Doe\'s post ratio
to USENET has been 57.5% of its posts contributing \"nothing except
insults\" to USENET.

FbP820qvSAC4

 

[Ed Lee]

On Wednesday, April 6, 2022 at 5:21:19 PM UTC-7, John Doe wrote:

whit3rd <whi...@gmail.com> wrote:

John Doe wrote:

For anyone who has time to do the research...

Since the Cold War ended, after Russia gave up Ukraine and many other
border countries, the MILITARY organization NATO has been expanding
eastward to those former Russian border countries.

Ukraine has its own government,
The problem is we Westerners were told by Western propaganda that Ukraine
is somehow a one-nation state. That is as false as it is foolish. Ukraine
is and always was a deeply divided country: Western Ukraine is
traditionally nazistic (they were on Hitler\'s side during WW2, and they
continue to be nazis) people speak their own dialect of Ukrainian language
and hate everyone else; Transcarpathia (Ruthenia) is anti-West Ukrainian
and moderately pro-Russian but most of all Ruthenians (speak their
language as well as Russian and Ukrainian) want to be reunited with
Hungary; Central Ukraine is the true Ukraine. Central Ukraine is very laid
back, moderately anti-West Ukrainian, moderately pro-Russian, speak
Ukrainian and Russian. Southern and Eastern Ukraine are very anti-West
Ukrainian, very pro-Russian, speak predominantly Russian. Crimea always
considered itself Russian; they hate West Ukrainians.

That might be true before, but after the invasion, most of the population is anti-Russia. In any case, they should resolve their conflict themselves. Russia, US, EU or any other countries can not forced their polices onto Ukraine.

 

[Commander Kinsey]

On Thu, 07 Apr 2022 01:35:11 +0100, Ed Lee <edward.ming.lee@gmail.com> wrote:

On Wednesday, April 6, 2022 at 5:21:19 PM UTC-7, John Doe wrote:
whit3rd <whi...@gmail.com> wrote:

John Doe wrote:

For anyone who has time to do the research...

Since the Cold War ended, after Russia gave up Ukraine and many other
border countries, the MILITARY organization NATO has been expanding
eastward to those former Russian border countries.

Ukraine has its own government,
The problem is we Westerners were told by Western propaganda that Ukraine
is somehow a one-nation state. That is as false as it is foolish. Ukraine
is and always was a deeply divided country: Western Ukraine is
traditionally nazistic (they were on Hitler\'s side during WW2, and they
continue to be nazis) people speak their own dialect of Ukrainian language
and hate everyone else; Transcarpathia (Ruthenia) is anti-West Ukrainian
and moderately pro-Russian but most of all Ruthenians (speak their
language as well as Russian and Ukrainian) want to be reunited with
Hungary; Central Ukraine is the true Ukraine. Central Ukraine is very laid
back, moderately anti-West Ukrainian, moderately pro-Russian, speak
Ukrainian and Russian. Southern and Eastern Ukraine are very anti-West
Ukrainian, very pro-Russian, speak predominantly Russian. Crimea always
considered itself Russian; they hate West Ukrainians.

That might be true before, but after the invasion, most of the population is anti-Russia. In any case, they should resolve their conflict themselves. Russia, US, EU or any other countries can not forced their polices onto Ukraine.

Agreed. The only military each country should have is that for it\'s own defensive purposes. Do you go round to your neighbour\'s house and get involved in a domestic argument? Or leave them to it?

 

[server]

\"Commander Kinsey\" <CK1@nospam.com> wrote in
newsp.1j6lx713mvhs6z@ryzen.lan:

> At least you\'re not American, they say \"could care less\".

Another presumption from the bloody utter retard Kinsey.

 

[Ed Lee]

On Wednesday, April 6, 2022 at 5:31:18 PM UTC-7, John Doe wrote:

Ed Lee <edward....@gmail.com> wrote:

I am just applying John Doe\'s logic
Your comrade cannot follow a conversation.

That\'s not even close to my logic. The United Kingdom is not acting like a
hostile neighbor to the European Union.

Ukraine was not hostile to Russia before invasion of Crimea. All they want is to get back their territory.

> It is not inviting a powerful EU-hostile MILITARY organization onto its territory.

Ukraine wants NATO for protection, not to invade Russia. NATO would not invade Russia on behalf of Ukraine anyway.

> A little research goes a long way, but you cannot be bothered.

I have done enough research.

 

[Ed Lee]

On Wednesday, April 6, 2022 at 5:52:34 PM UTC-7, Commander Kinsey wrote:

On Thu, 07 Apr 2022 01:44:36 +0100, Ed Lee <edward....@gmail.com> wrote:

On Wednesday, April 6, 2022 at 5:31:18 PM UTC-7, John Doe wrote:
Ed Lee <edward....@gmail.com> wrote:

I am just applying John Doe\'s logic
Your comrade cannot follow a conversation.

That\'s not even close to my logic. The United Kingdom is not acting like a
hostile neighbor to the European Union.

Ukraine was not hostile to Russia before invasion of Crimea. All they want is to get back their territory.

It is not inviting a powerful EU-hostile MILITARY organization onto its territory.

Ukraine wants NATO for protection, not to invade Russia. NATO would not invade Russia on behalf of Ukraine anyway.
What do you call sanctions that make the Russian innocent civilians pay three times as much for food? What NATO is doing is criminal.

Unfortunate victim of conflict. Even if they are paying three times for food, it\'s still a lot better than Ukrainians in Mariupol area who can\'t get food at all, or the dead Ukrainians who has no use for food.

 

[John Doe]

Ed Lee <edward.ming.lee@gmail.com> wrote:

John Doe wrote:
Ed Lee wrote:

I am just applying John Doe\'s logic

That\'s not even close to my logic. The United Kingdom is not acting
like a hostile neighbor to the European Union.

All they want is to get back their territory.

The poster has not been paying attention. Some factions in Ukraine are
EXTREMELY hostile to Russia.

Ukraine has been bombing Russia-sympathetic people in Ukraine, for years.

It is not inviting a powerful EU-hostile MILITARY organization onto its
territory.

Ukraine wants NATO for protection, not to invade Russia.

That is bullshit. Even if that were what Ukraine\'s government wants (it
isn\'t), that\'s not what NATO wants.

NATO wants to EXTERMINATE Russia.

That\'s proved by HISTORY. NATO has aggressively expanded ever since the
end of the Cold War.

Imperialist warmongers should at least be honest about what they want.

> NATO would not invade Russia on behalf of Ukraine anyway.

Mexico or Canada might want a Russian MILITARY organization for
\"protection\". But we Americans would not allow that.

A little research goes a long way, but you cannot be bothered.

I have done enough research.

You obviously haven\'t done any research.

 

[Ed Lee]

On Wednesday, April 6, 2022 at 6:14:17 PM UTC-7, John Doe wrote:

Ed Lee <edward....@gmail.com> wrote:

John Doe wrote:
Ed Lee wrote:

I am just applying John Doe\'s logic
That\'s not even close to my logic. The United Kingdom is not acting
like a hostile neighbor to the European Union.
All they want is to get back their territory.
The poster has not been paying attention. Some factions in Ukraine are
EXTREMELY hostile to Russia.

Ukraine has been bombing Russia-sympathetic people in Ukraine, for years.

They just want to get rid of the \"Little Green Men\", who are Russia-sympathetic Russians.

It is not inviting a powerful EU-hostile MILITARY organization onto its
territory.

Ukraine wants NATO for protection, not to invade Russia.
That is bullshit. Even if that were what Ukraine\'s government wants (it
isn\'t), that\'s not what NATO wants.

NATO wants to EXTERMINATE Russia.

Article 5:
....
taking . . . such action as it deems neces­sary, includ­ing the use of armed force, to restore and main­tain the secur­ity of the North Atlantic area.\"

Russia is not in NATO area. NATO cannot invade or exterminate Russia.

 

[whit3rd]

On Wednesday, April 6, 2022 at 5:21:19 PM UTC-7, John Doe wrote:

whit3rd <whi...@gmail.com> wrote:

NATO is not a nation, but its members are nations with borders.

NATO is for cheer-leading the invasion of 3rd world countries, based on
whatever flimsy pretexts,

The phrase \'flimsy pretext\' reminds me of some rumors
of Nazis in Ukraine.

but then freaking out when Russia does the same
to a country on its next important border.

Thousands died in the 9/11 attacks, in airliners, Pentagon offices,
and the World Trade Center. NATO responded to
that attack with force. Is Afghanistan the third world country you are
referring to? Such bloodshed is not a flimsy pretext.

> Ukraine is less than 200 miles from Moscow.

So? How far is Afghanistan from New York City?
When and how did Ukraine attack Moscow?

Why should Russia attack if not as a counterattack, and
why would Russia violate that \"important border\" if not
imperialism and aggression and general warmongering?

Warmongers, imperialism, aggression, are not NATO
principles, but are legitimate NATO concerns.

 

[John Doe]

Ed Lee <edward.ming.lee@gmail.com> wrote:

John Doe wrote:
whit3rd wrote:
John Doe wrote:

For anyone who has time to do the research...

Since the Cold War ended, after Russia gave up Ukraine and many
other border countries, the MILITARY organization NATO has been
expanding eastward to those former Russian border countries.

Ukraine has its own government

The problem is we Westerners were told by Western propaganda that
Ukraine is somehow a one-nation state. That is as false as it is
foolish. Ukraine is and always was a deeply divided country: Western
Ukraine is traditionally nazistic (they were on Hitler\'s side during
WW2, and they continue to be nazis) people speak their own dialect of
Ukrainian language and hate everyone else; Transcarpathia (Ruthenia) is
anti-West Ukrainian and moderately pro-Russian but most of all
Ruthenians (speak their language as well as Russian and Ukrainian) want
to be reunited with Hungary; Central Ukraine is the true Ukraine.
Central Ukraine is very laid back, moderately anti-West Ukrainian,
moderately pro-Russian, speak Ukrainian and Russian. Southern and
Eastern Ukraine are very anti-West Ukrainian, very pro-Russian, speak
predominantly Russian. Crimea always considered itself Russian; they
hate West Ukrainians.

That might be true before, but after the invasion, most of the
population is anti-Russia. In any case, they should resolve their
conflict themselves. Russia, US, EU or any other countries can not
forced their polices onto Ukraine.

A little research shows Ukraine is not the only issue for Russia. NATO has
been AGGRESSIVELY expanding eastward towards Russia ever since the end of
the Cold War when Russia gave up control of Ukraine and many other
countries.

Imperialist warmongers should at least be honest about their ambitions to
EXTERMINATE Russia. Instead, they pretend like all they want is Mr Rogers
Neighborhood, while they put troops and missiles in Russia\'s border
countries. At some point NATO\'s expansion was not about DEFENSE anymore.

 

[Commander Kinsey]

On Thu, 07 Apr 2022 02:01:25 +0100, Ed Lee <edward.ming.lee@gmail.com> wrote:

On Wednesday, April 6, 2022 at 5:52:34 PM UTC-7, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Thu, 07 Apr 2022 01:44:36 +0100, Ed Lee <edward....@gmail.com> wrote:

On Wednesday, April 6, 2022 at 5:31:18 PM UTC-7, John Doe wrote:
Ed Lee <edward....@gmail.com> wrote:

I am just applying John Doe\'s logic
Your comrade cannot follow a conversation.

That\'s not even close to my logic. The United Kingdom is not acting like a
hostile neighbor to the European Union.

Ukraine was not hostile to Russia before invasion of Crimea. All they want is to get back their territory.

It is not inviting a powerful EU-hostile MILITARY organization onto its territory.

Ukraine wants NATO for protection, not to invade Russia. NATO would not invade Russia on behalf of Ukraine anyway.
What do you call sanctions that make the Russian innocent civilians pay three times as much for food? What NATO is doing is criminal.

Unfortunate victim of conflict. Even if they are paying three times for food, it\'s still a lot better than Ukrainians in Mariupol area who can\'t get food at all, or the dead Ukrainians who has no use for food.

Not a valid excuse. If we want to get involved in the war, we should shoot at Russian military, and do nothing else.

 

[Commander Kinsey]

On Thu, 07 Apr 2022 02:20:58 +0100, Ed Lee <edward.ming.lee@gmail.com> wrote:

On Wednesday, April 6, 2022 at 6:14:17 PM UTC-7, John Doe wrote:
Ed Lee <edward....@gmail.com> wrote:

John Doe wrote:
Ed Lee wrote:

I am just applying John Doe\'s logic
That\'s not even close to my logic. The United Kingdom is not acting
like a hostile neighbor to the European Union.
All they want is to get back their territory.
The poster has not been paying attention. Some factions in Ukraine are
EXTREMELY hostile to Russia.

Ukraine has been bombing Russia-sympathetic people in Ukraine, for years.

They just want to get rid of the \"Little Green Men\", who are Russia-sympathetic Russians.

It is not inviting a powerful EU-hostile MILITARY organization onto its
territory.

Ukraine wants NATO for protection, not to invade Russia.
That is bullshit. Even if that were what Ukraine\'s government wants (it
isn\'t), that\'s not what NATO wants.

NATO wants to EXTERMINATE Russia.

Article 5:
...
taking . . . such action as it deems necessary, including the use of armed force, to restore and maintain the security of the North Atlantic area.\"

So it\'s just another warmonger - a bunch of countries that got together to form a gang.

 

[Commander Kinsey]

On Thu, 07 Apr 2022 02:21:13 +0100, whit3rd <whit3rd@gmail.com> wrote:

On Wednesday, April 6, 2022 at 5:21:19 PM UTC-7, John Doe wrote:
whit3rd <whi...@gmail.com> wrote:

NATO is not a nation, but its members are nations with borders.

NATO is for cheer-leading the invasion of 3rd world countries, based on
whatever flimsy pretexts,

The phrase \'flimsy pretext\' reminds me of some rumors
of Nazis in Ukraine.

The Nazis would have ruled the world a lot better than the NATO pansies.

but then freaking out when Russia does the same
to a country on its next important border.

Thousands died in the 9/11 attacks, in airliners, Pentagon offices,
and the World Trade Center. NATO responded to
that attack with force. Is Afghanistan the third world country you are
referring to? Such bloodshed is not a flimsy pretext.

That was so funny when America, the country that thought it was in charge of the world, lost it\'s big towers. I fell of my chair laughing in hysterics.

 

[Commander Kinsey]

On Thu, 07 Apr 2022 02:23:38 +0100, John Doe <always.look@message.header> wrote:

Ed Lee <edward.ming.lee@gmail.com> wrote:

John Doe wrote:
whit3rd wrote:
John Doe wrote:

For anyone who has time to do the research...

Since the Cold War ended, after Russia gave up Ukraine and many
other border countries, the MILITARY organization NATO has been
expanding eastward to those former Russian border countries.

Ukraine has its own government

The problem is we Westerners were told by Western propaganda that
Ukraine is somehow a one-nation state. That is as false as it is
foolish. Ukraine is and always was a deeply divided country: Western
Ukraine is traditionally nazistic (they were on Hitler\'s side during
WW2, and they continue to be nazis) people speak their own dialect of
Ukrainian language and hate everyone else; Transcarpathia (Ruthenia) is
anti-West Ukrainian and moderately pro-Russian but most of all
Ruthenians (speak their language as well as Russian and Ukrainian) want
to be reunited with Hungary; Central Ukraine is the true Ukraine.
Central Ukraine is very laid back, moderately anti-West Ukrainian,
moderately pro-Russian, speak Ukrainian and Russian. Southern and
Eastern Ukraine are very anti-West Ukrainian, very pro-Russian, speak
predominantly Russian. Crimea always considered itself Russian; they
hate West Ukrainians.

That might be true before, but after the invasion, most of the
population is anti-Russia. In any case, they should resolve their
conflict themselves. Russia, US, EU or any other countries can not
forced their polices onto Ukraine.

A little research shows Ukraine is not the only issue for Russia. NATO has
been AGGRESSIVELY expanding eastward towards Russia ever since the end of
the Cold War when Russia gave up control of Ukraine and many other
countries.

Imperialist warmongers should at least be honest about their ambitions to
EXTERMINATE Russia. Instead, they pretend like all they want is Mr Rogers
Neighborhood, while they put troops and missiles in Russia\'s border
countries. At some point NATO\'s expansion was not about DEFENSE anymore.

Not just Russia, they have India and China on their side. Good luck to them, I\'m considering defecting, I\'m fed up of the pansy West.

 

[Anthony William Sloman]

On Thursday, April 7, 2022 at 11:46:26 AM UTC+10, Commander Kinsey wrote:

On Thu, 07 Apr 2022 02:01:25 +0100, Ed Lee <edward....@gmail.com> wrote:

On Wednesday, April 6, 2022 at 5:52:34 PM UTC-7, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Thu, 07 Apr 2022 01:44:36 +0100, Ed Lee <edward....@gmail.com> wrote:

On Wednesday, April 6, 2022 at 5:31:18 PM UTC-7, John Doe wrote:
Ed Lee <edward....@gmail.com> wrote:

I am just applying John Doe\'s logic
Your comrade cannot follow a conversation.

That\'s not even close to my logic. The United Kingdom is not acting like a
hostile neighbor to the European Union.

Ukraine was not hostile to Russia before invasion of Crimea. All they want is to get back their territory.

It is not inviting a powerful EU-hostile MILITARY organization onto its territory.

Ukraine wants NATO for protection, not to invade Russia. NATO would not invade Russia on behalf of Ukraine anyway.
What do you call sanctions that make the Russian innocent civilians pay three times as much for food? What NATO is doing is criminal.

Unfortunate victim of conflict. Even if they are paying three times for food, it\'s still a lot better than Ukrainians in Mariupol area who can\'t get food at all, or the dead Ukrainians who has no use for food.

Not a valid excuse. If we want to get involved in the war, we should shoot at Russian military, and do nothing else.

Nobody wants to get involved in a war. Wars are very expensive and get people killed.

Supporting one side or the other in other people\'s wars is what everybody does. Shipping weapons to the side you favour and cutting exports to the side you don\'t favour is entirely traditional.

Commander Kinsey is a full bottle about traditions that he likes, and can be relied on to ignore those that he doesn\'t like.

--
Bill Sloman, Sydney

 

[Anthony William Sloman]

On Thursday, April 7, 2022 at 11:49:41 AM UTC+10, Commander Kinsey wrote:

On Thu, 07 Apr 2022 02:21:13 +0100, whit3rd <whi...@gmail.com> wrote:
On Wednesday, April 6, 2022 at 5:21:19 PM UTC-7, John Doe wrote:
whit3rd <whi...@gmail.com> wrote:

NATO is not a nation, but its members are nations with borders.

NATO is for cheer-leading the invasion of 3rd world countries, based on whatever flimsy pretexts,

Not that John doe can come up with an example of such and invasion.

The phrase \'flimsy pretext\' reminds me of some rumors of Nazis in Ukraine.

The Nazis would have ruled the world a lot better than the NATO pansies.

Commander Kinsey sees himself as a member of the master race. He looks more like a member of the masturbating race - a total wanker.

> >> but then freaking out when Russia does the same to a country on its next important border.

John Doe does have a decidedly imperfect grasp of reality. Does he really think that Germany ought to invade France?

> > Thousands died in the 9/11 attacks, in airliners, Pentagon offices, and the World Trade Center. NATO responded to that attack with force.

Some NATO members went along with US military responses to that attack. NATO - as such - didn\'t.

Is Afghanistan the third world country you are referring to? Such bloodshed is not a flimsy pretext.

That was so funny when America, the country that thought it was in charge of the world, lost it\'s big towers. I fell of my chair laughing in hysterics.

2977 people seem to have died. It\'s not something that anybody sane would laugh about. My reaction at the time, immediately after the second aircraft had hit (which I saw on a television screen) was that \"this is war\". The US reaction did involve starting two separate wars, neither of which was all that effective at getting rid of Al Qaeda, and that was even less funny. The US invasion of Irak ended up causing some 600,000 excess death there, which was pretty silly, since Saddam Hussein had always been opposed to Al Qaeda, and the invasion of Irak provoked a lot of Muslims to join Al Qaeda.

Commander Kinsey does seem to be a card-carrying pyschopath, as well as a complete wanker.

--
Bill Sloman, Sydney