OT: Sanctions...

[John Doe]

I don\'t understand why we are putting sanctions on Russia. THE SANCTIONS
ARE HURTING AMERICANS MORE THAN RUSSIA\'S INVASION OF UKRAINE HURT
AMERICANS. Seems lots of people want to hurt Russia more than they want to
help their own country.

Russia\'s non-aggressive response to Ukraine\'s unfair tariffs on its oil
pipes was to build oil pipes around Ukraine. This recent invasion didn\'t
even interrupt oil supply to Europe. But Europeans insist on doing so!

Jimmy Carter, known for trashing our economy (but of course it was the
other guy\'s fault), prevented us from selling wheat to Russia. Now Russia
exports wheat.

It\'s not working!

Killing 500,000 Iraqi children with sanctions is \"worth it\" according to
Madeleine Albright...

https://youtu.be/RM0uvgHKZe8

 

[Rickster]

On Sunday, March 27, 2022 at 8:43:18 AM UTC-4, John Doe wrote:
> I don\'t understand why we are putting sanctions on Russia.

Yes, you are right. You don\'t understand.

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[John Doe]

Rickster <gnuarm.deletethisbit@gmail.com> wrote:

John Doe wrote:

I don\'t understand why we are putting sanctions on Russia. THE SANCTIONS
ARE HURTING AMERICANS MORE THAN RUSSIA\'S INVASION OF UKRAINE HURT
AMERICANS. Seems lots of people want to hurt Russia more than they want
to help their own country.

Russia\'s non-aggressive response to Ukraine\'s unfair tariffs on its oil
pipes was to build oil pipes around Ukraine. This recent invasion didn\'t
even interrupt oil supply to Europe. But Europeans insist on doing so!

Jimmy Carter, known for trashing our economy (but of course it was the
other guy\'s fault), prevented us from selling wheat to Russia. Now
Russia exports wheat.

It\'s not working!

Killing 500,000 Iraqi children with sanctions is \"worth it\" according to
Madeleine Albright...

https://youtu.be/RM0uvgHKZe8

Yes, you are right. You don\'t understand.

Then explain.

 

[John Doe]

Rickster <gnuarm.deletethisbit@gmail.com> wrote:

John Doe wrote:

I don\'t understand why we are putting sanctions on Russia. THE
SANCTIONS ARE HURTING AMERICANS MORE THAN RUSSIA\'S INVASION OF UKRAINE
HURT AMERICANS. Seems lots of people want to hurt Russia more than they
want to help their own country.

Russia\'s non-aggressive response to Ukraine\'s unfair tariffs on its oil
pipes was to build oil pipes around Ukraine. This recent invasion
didn\'t even interrupt oil supply to Europe. But Europeans insist on
doing so!

Jimmy Carter, known for trashing our economy (but of course it was the
other guy\'s fault), prevented us from selling wheat to Russia. Now
Russia exports wheat.

It\'s not working!

Killing 500,000 Iraqi children with sanctions is \"worth it\" according
to Madeleine Albright...

https://youtu.be/RM0uvgHKZe8

Yes, you are right. You don\'t understand.

Then explain.

 

[Ed Lee]

On Sunday, March 27, 2022 at 7:19:05 AM UTC-7, John Doe wrote:

Rickster <gnuarm.del...@gmail.com> wrote:

John Doe wrote:
I don\'t understand why we are putting sanctions on Russia. THE
SANCTIONS ARE HURTING AMERICANS MORE THAN RUSSIA\'S INVASION OF UKRAINE
HURT AMERICANS. Seems lots of people want to hurt Russia more than they
want to help their own country.

Russia\'s non-aggressive response to Ukraine\'s unfair tariffs on its oil
pipes was to build oil pipes around Ukraine. This recent invasion
didn\'t even interrupt oil supply to Europe. But Europeans insist on
doing so!

Jimmy Carter, known for trashing our economy (but of course it was the
other guy\'s fault), prevented us from selling wheat to Russia. Now
Russia exports wheat.

It\'s not working!

Killing 500,000 Iraqi children with sanctions is \"worth it\" according
to Madeleine Albright...

https://youtu.be/RM0uvgHKZe8
Yes, you are right. You don\'t understand.
Then explain.

Because Russian military bombs/kills/murders unarmed civilian like you and me. That\'s hardly non-aggressive.

 

[Ed Lee]

On Sunday, March 27, 2022 at 10:25:47 AM UTC-7, Cursitor Doom wrote:

On Sun, 27 Mar 2022 07:24:30 -0700 (PDT), Ed Lee
edward....@gmail.com> wrote:

On Sunday, March 27, 2022 at 7:19:05 AM UTC-7, John Doe wrote:
Rickster <gnuarm.del...@gmail.com> wrote:

John Doe wrote:
I don\'t understand why we are putting sanctions on Russia. THE
SANCTIONS ARE HURTING AMERICANS MORE THAN RUSSIA\'S INVASION OF UKRAINE
HURT AMERICANS. Seems lots of people want to hurt Russia more than they
want to help their own country.

Russia\'s non-aggressive response to Ukraine\'s unfair tariffs on its oil
pipes was to build oil pipes around Ukraine. This recent invasion
didn\'t even interrupt oil supply to Europe. But Europeans insist on
doing so!

Jimmy Carter, known for trashing our economy (but of course it was the
other guy\'s fault), prevented us from selling wheat to Russia. Now
Russia exports wheat.

It\'s not working!

Killing 500,000 Iraqi children with sanctions is \"worth it\" according
to Madeleine Albright...

https://youtu.be/RM0uvgHKZe8
Yes, you are right. You don\'t understand.
Then explain.

Because Russian military bombs/kills/murders unarmed civilian like you and me. That\'s hardly non-aggressive.
The Russians didn\'t have any choice. Any country under threat has to
draw the line somewhere.

Under what threat? Being driven out of another country?

 

[server]

On Sun, 27 Mar 2022 10:35:36 -0700 (PDT), Ed Lee
<edward.ming.lee@gmail.com> wrote:

On Sunday, March 27, 2022 at 10:25:47 AM UTC-7, Cursitor Doom wrote:
On Sun, 27 Mar 2022 07:24:30 -0700 (PDT), Ed Lee
edward....@gmail.com> wrote:

On Sunday, March 27, 2022 at 7:19:05 AM UTC-7, John Doe wrote:
Rickster <gnuarm.del...@gmail.com> wrote:

John Doe wrote:
I don\'t understand why we are putting sanctions on Russia. THE
SANCTIONS ARE HURTING AMERICANS MORE THAN RUSSIA\'S INVASION OF UKRAINE
HURT AMERICANS. Seems lots of people want to hurt Russia more than they
want to help their own country.

Russia\'s non-aggressive response to Ukraine\'s unfair tariffs on its oil
pipes was to build oil pipes around Ukraine. This recent invasion
didn\'t even interrupt oil supply to Europe. But Europeans insist on
doing so!

Jimmy Carter, known for trashing our economy (but of course it was the
other guy\'s fault), prevented us from selling wheat to Russia. Now
Russia exports wheat.

It\'s not working!

Killing 500,000 Iraqi children with sanctions is \"worth it\" according
to Madeleine Albright...

https://youtu.be/RM0uvgHKZe8
Yes, you are right. You don\'t understand.
Then explain.

Because Russian military bombs/kills/murders unarmed civilian like you and me. That\'s hardly non-aggressive.
The Russians didn\'t have any choice. Any country under threat has to
draw the line somewhere.

Under what threat? Being driven out of another country?

Ukraine, a former Soviet puppet colony, is a democracy with an
increasingly european culture.

That is a threat to the Russian language, alphabet, culture, and
tradition of despotic mass-murdering dictators-for-life. Nostalgia for
Stalin. The Russian culture, or roughly half of it, still wants that.

Part of the price Russia will pay is brain drain. That will make the
rest of the population yet more tribal.

I wonder what China really wants to do here.



--

I yam what I yam - Popeye

 

[Ed Lee]

On Sunday, March 27, 2022 at 10:54:46 AM UTC-7, jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:

On Sun, 27 Mar 2022 10:35:36 -0700 (PDT), Ed Lee
edward....@gmail.com> wrote:

On Sunday, March 27, 2022 at 10:25:47 AM UTC-7, Cursitor Doom wrote:
On Sun, 27 Mar 2022 07:24:30 -0700 (PDT), Ed Lee
edward....@gmail.com> wrote:

On Sunday, March 27, 2022 at 7:19:05 AM UTC-7, John Doe wrote:
Rickster <gnuarm.del...@gmail.com> wrote:

John Doe wrote:
I don\'t understand why we are putting sanctions on Russia. THE
SANCTIONS ARE HURTING AMERICANS MORE THAN RUSSIA\'S INVASION OF UKRAINE
HURT AMERICANS. Seems lots of people want to hurt Russia more than they
want to help their own country.

Russia\'s non-aggressive response to Ukraine\'s unfair tariffs on its oil
pipes was to build oil pipes around Ukraine. This recent invasion
didn\'t even interrupt oil supply to Europe. But Europeans insist on
doing so!

Jimmy Carter, known for trashing our economy (but of course it was the
other guy\'s fault), prevented us from selling wheat to Russia. Now
Russia exports wheat.

It\'s not working!

Killing 500,000 Iraqi children with sanctions is \"worth it\" according
to Madeleine Albright...

https://youtu.be/RM0uvgHKZe8
Yes, you are right. You don\'t understand.
Then explain.

Because Russian military bombs/kills/murders unarmed civilian like you and me. That\'s hardly non-aggressive.
The Russians didn\'t have any choice. Any country under threat has to
draw the line somewhere.

Under what threat? Being driven out of another country?
Ukraine, a former Soviet puppet colony, is a democracy with an
increasingly european culture.

That is a threat to the Russian language, alphabet, culture, and
tradition of despotic mass-murdering dictators-for-life. Nostalgia for
Stalin. The Russian culture, or roughly half of it, still wants that.

Yes, they can want and enforce that within their border. Even in the dispute eastern corner of Ukraine, if they stick to the international laws on engagement, perhaps the west would not go so far.

Part of the price Russia will pay is brain drain. That will make the
rest of the population yet more tribal.

I wonder what China really wants to do here.

They have to be careful, because Ukraine is a critical path of their Belt and Road. If China is too friendly to Russia, belt might be cut and road might be blocked.

 

[John Doe]

jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:

Ed Lee wrote:
Cursitor Doom wrote:
Ed Lee wrote:
John Doe wrote:
Rickster <gnuarm.del...@gmail.com> wrote:
John Doe wrote:

I don\'t understand why we are putting sanctions on Russia. THE
SANCTIONS ARE HURTING AMERICANS MORE THAN RUSSIA\'S INVASION OF
UKRAINE HURT AMERICANS. Seems lots of people want to hurt Russia
more than they want to help their own country.

Russia\'s non-aggressive response to Ukraine\'s unfair tariffs on
its oil pipes was to build oil pipes around Ukraine. This recent
invasion didn\'t even interrupt oil supply to Europe. But Europeans
insist on doing so!

Jimmy Carter, known for trashing our economy (but of course it was
the other guy\'s fault), prevented us from selling wheat to Russia.
Now Russia exports wheat.

It\'s not working!

Killing 500,000 Iraqi children with sanctions is \"worth it\"
according to Madeleine Albright...

https://youtu.be/RM0uvgHKZe8
Yes, you are right. You don\'t understand.
Then explain.

Because Russian military bombs/kills/murders unarmed civilian like
you and me. That\'s hardly non-aggressive.

The Russians didn\'t have any choice. Any country under threat has to
draw the line somewhere.

Under what threat? Being driven out of another country?

Ukraine, a former Soviet puppet colony,

Russia is taking back a small portion of the territory it gave up in the
1990s, in response to NATO expansion.

> is a democracy

Hardly. State run media only, private media has been jailed. Opposition
parties have been jailed.

> with an increasingly european culture.

You misspelled \"Nazi\".

That is a threat to the Russian language, alphabet, culture, and
tradition of despotic mass-murdering dictators-for-life.

Everybody\'s language is threatened. English will be threatened if we don\'t
wise up. Many foreigners do not like the dollar being national currency,
either.

> Part of the price Russia will pay is brain drain.

That\'s why we have been paying Russia for taking our astronauts to the
space station, for the last 13 years. Now watch John Larkin crap on space
exploration...

The Russian government sponsors a lot of technical competitions, like in
programming. Brain drain is an interesting concept, but a brain is born
every minute.

> That will make the rest of the population yet more tribal.

They are tougher than Westerners, they might be less sophisticated, but
our population is getting really weird.

> I wonder what China really wants to do here.

Play us against the Russians and vice versa. China has everything to lose.
The problem is their language.

 

[John Doe]

Ed Lee <edward.ming.lee@gmail.com> wrote:

> Yes, they can want and enforce that within their border.

I don\'t know about your country, but... If Russia were meddling in Mexico
or Canada, we would be there.

They have to be careful, because Ukraine is a critical path of their
Belt and Road. If China is too friendly to Russia, belt might be cut
and road might be blocked.

What???

Speaking of roads. Now that Ukraine no longer has access to the sea, it
wants to use railroads to transport grain (its major industry), but what
if Russia decides to take out its railroads...

Russian citizens are doing very well compared to many Ukrainian citizens
(gas prices have dropped), including the millions who have left. Too bad
their leaders are too stupid to make a deal.

 

[server]

On Sun, 27 Mar 2022 11:05:59 -0700 (PDT), Ed Lee
<edward.ming.lee@gmail.com> wrote:

On Sunday, March 27, 2022 at 10:54:46 AM UTC-7, jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
On Sun, 27 Mar 2022 10:35:36 -0700 (PDT), Ed Lee
edward....@gmail.com> wrote:

On Sunday, March 27, 2022 at 10:25:47 AM UTC-7, Cursitor Doom wrote:
On Sun, 27 Mar 2022 07:24:30 -0700 (PDT), Ed Lee
edward....@gmail.com> wrote:

On Sunday, March 27, 2022 at 7:19:05 AM UTC-7, John Doe wrote:
Rickster <gnuarm.del...@gmail.com> wrote:

John Doe wrote:
I don\'t understand why we are putting sanctions on Russia. THE
SANCTIONS ARE HURTING AMERICANS MORE THAN RUSSIA\'S INVASION OF UKRAINE
HURT AMERICANS. Seems lots of people want to hurt Russia more than they
want to help their own country.

Russia\'s non-aggressive response to Ukraine\'s unfair tariffs on its oil
pipes was to build oil pipes around Ukraine. This recent invasion
didn\'t even interrupt oil supply to Europe. But Europeans insist on
doing so!

Jimmy Carter, known for trashing our economy (but of course it was the
other guy\'s fault), prevented us from selling wheat to Russia. Now
Russia exports wheat.

It\'s not working!

Killing 500,000 Iraqi children with sanctions is \"worth it\" according
to Madeleine Albright...

https://youtu.be/RM0uvgHKZe8
Yes, you are right. You don\'t understand.
Then explain.

Because Russian military bombs/kills/murders unarmed civilian like you and me. That\'s hardly non-aggressive.
The Russians didn\'t have any choice. Any country under threat has to
draw the line somewhere.

Under what threat? Being driven out of another country?
Ukraine, a former Soviet puppet colony, is a democracy with an
increasingly european culture.

That is a threat to the Russian language, alphabet, culture, and
tradition of despotic mass-murdering dictators-for-life. Nostalgia for
Stalin. The Russian culture, or roughly half of it, still wants that.

Yes, they can want and enforce that within their border. Even in the dispute eastern corner of Ukraine, if they stick to the international laws on engagement, perhaps the west would not go so far.

Part of the price Russia will pay is brain drain. That will make the
rest of the population yet more tribal.

I wonder what China really wants to do here.

They have to be careful, because Ukraine is a critical path of their Belt and Road. If China is too friendly to Russia, belt might be cut and road might be blocked.

I\'m not a fan of the New York Times. I canceled my subscription, so my
wife signed up for hers. So here it is.

But today\'s section 1 is really good. It\'s mostly about Putin and is
detailed and, for the NYT, shockingly balanced. Worth getting.



--

I yam what I yam - Popeye

 

[John Doe]

Speaking of less advanced civilizations, I have been getting a good look
at Ukraine.

Busy intersections without streetlights or stop signs... And it snows
there!

I\'m pretty sure Ukraine is full of natural resources, but Russia looks
more advanced, so where is the money going...

....





John Doe <always.look@message.header> wrote:

jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:

That will make the rest of the population yet more tribal.

They are tougher than Westerners, they might be less sophisticated, but
our population is getting really weird.

 

[Ed Lee]

On Sunday, March 27, 2022 at 1:26:34 PM UTC-7, John Doe wrote:

That\'s what Henry Kissinger and other diplomats have said.

I have seen no one point to respected diplomats who have NOT cautioned
against NATO expansion to Russia\'s border countries.

Russia/China wouldn\'t be allowed to expand into Mexico or Canada!
Free country or whatever the rhetoric might be.

Yes, US would probably invade Mexico. But US military is not allowed to bomb apt/school/hospital and kill unarmed civilian.

 

[John Doe]

Russia allegedly pulled back a bit, before taking out fuel depots. For sure,
Russia is not going rampant like the reactionary warmongers say, but I have a
hunch it might be very limited. Like maybe they will bring Ukraine to its
knees (where it should be already) without destroying its capital city.

Bombing its railroads would be a killer, without injury or death.

 

[John Doe]

Ed Lee wrote:

John Doe wrote:

That\'s what Henry Kissinger and other diplomats have said.

I have seen no one point to respected diplomats who have NOT cautioned
against NATO expansion to Russia\'s border countries.

Russia/China wouldn\'t be allowed to expand into Mexico or Canada! Free
country or whatever the rhetoric might be.

Yes, US would probably invade Mexico. But US military is not allowed to
bomb apt/school/hospital and kill unarmed civilian.

Most civilians have arms.

 

[Ed Lee]

On Sunday, March 27, 2022 at 1:50:53 PM UTC-7, John Doe wrote:

Ed Lee wrote:

John Doe wrote:

That\'s what Henry Kissinger and other diplomats have said.

I have seen no one point to respected diplomats who have NOT cautioned
against NATO expansion to Russia\'s border countries.

Russia/China wouldn\'t be allowed to expand into Mexico or Canada! Free
country or whatever the rhetoric might be.

Yes, US would probably invade Mexico. But US military is not allowed to
bomb apt/school/hospital and kill unarmed civilian.
Most civilians have arms.

Including civilians lining up to buy breads. What are they going to do? Kill Russians with breads?

 

[Ralph Mowery]

In article <e710a2c0-f7fe-45ac-acc7-7b79dec81d6bn@googlegroups.com>,
edward.ming.lee@gmail.com says...

Yes, US would probably invade Mexico. But US military is not allowed to bomb apt/school/hospital and kill unarmed civilian.

This must be after ww2 where the US bombed two cities with nukies and
fire bombed another city that I believe killed more civilians than the
nukes did in Japan.

 

[John Doe]

Ed Lee <edward.ming.lee@gmail.com> wrote:

John Doe wrote:
Ed Lee wrote:
John Doe wrote:

That\'s what Henry Kissinger and other diplomats have said.

I have seen no one point to respected diplomats who have NOT cautioned
against NATO expansion to Russia\'s border countries.

Russia/China wouldn\'t be allowed to expand into Mexico or Canada! Free
country or whatever the rhetoric might be.

Yes, US would probably invade Mexico. But US military is not allowed to
bomb apt/school/hospital and kill unarmed civilian.

Most civilians have arms.

Including civilians lining up to buy breads. What are they going to do?
Kill Russians with breads?

That was propaganda.

 

[John Doe]

Anti-Russian jokes...

Before the war, Russia had the second-best army in the world.
Now Russia has the second-best army in Ukraine.

What\'s the difference between a dollar and a ruble?
A dollar.

 

[Commander Kinsey]

On Sun, 27 Mar 2022 13:43:11 +0100, John Doe <always.look@message.header> wrote:

I don\'t understand why we are putting sanctions on Russia. THE SANCTIONS
ARE HURTING AMERICANS MORE THAN RUSSIA\'S INVASION OF UKRAINE HURT
AMERICANS. Seems lots of people want to hurt Russia more than they want to
help their own country.

And they\'re hurting the Russian civilians, their price of food has tripled. In a war, aren\'t you supposed to go after the military, not the civilians? The war crimes being committed here are by the west, not Russia. Buy an I love Russia tshirt from Ebay and wear it proudly whenever you go out. It\'s so funny to hear everyone tutting.