[OT] Photos from Brother Bush's Rape Room

[John Fields]

On Wed, 12 May 2004 01:04:18 -0300, YD <yd.techHAT@techie.com> wrote:

I do wish people would leave off being apologetic, it just opens them
up to usenet bullies. So you knew his grandfather? Damn, you're old.

Not all Germans were Nazi, in case you didn't know already. And anyone
would be unhappy about your crappy attitudes. In fact, I think it's
you being unhappy about something, go figure.

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Yeah, I _am_ old, and what I'm unhappy about is self-righteous
assholes like you that have to drop in and start spewing their crap
before they even know what they're talking about.

Hey, asshole, I wrote a story and Ralph just _had_ to whine about that
my use of a shower head upset him what with all the memories of the
Holocaust and all, plus some other heart-wrenching drivel about his
granfather's generation. Go read the thread before you get your
panties in a bunch and start throwing shit around.
---

History will repeat itself and the way things are going you and your
kind will have a lot to do with the world going down the drain.
Hopefully reason will prevail.

---
If you're fatalistic and condemned to believing that history will
repeat itself, then reason won't prevail, since it didn't the first
time. Maybe it's time for you and _your_ kind to think about getting
a new attitude and helping, instead of just sitting around with your
thumbs up your asses watching your self-fulfilling prophecy unfold.

---

I'm just about to class you with JSD, RSW and FB. Lighten up and try
to sound at least half-way reasonable at times.

---
Like it matters to me whom you "class" me with, just as long as it's
not with you...

--
John Fields

 

[Reg Edwards]

Oil fields occupied. Wells and pipelines under guard. Sole Objectives
achieved.

Now nothing to do except entertain ourselves with the prisoners. We wanna
go home.

 

[Daniel Haude]

On Wed, 12 May 2004 10:24:18 GMT,
Rich Grise <null@example.net> wrote
in Msg. <mXmoc.187523$L31.173505@nwrddc01.gnilink.net>

Yeah, so they got him. Mission accomplished. So howcome American
troops are still killing people? What's the new mission? What is
_really_ Bush's goal?

Why is everybody afraid to ask these questions?

I asked exactly these and got only very vague answers to the effect that
there is some hope that the Iraq invasion would eventually make the world
a better place, while of course nobody could know as of yet if it would
blah blah. The reasons for this war remain unknown unknowns, it seems.

--Daniel

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"With me is nothing wrong! And with you?" (from r.a.m.p)

 

[Daniel Haude]

On 12 May 2004 04:43:06 -0700,
Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> wrote
in Msg. <7c584d27.0405120343.f9a3d8c@posting.google.com>

toor@iquest.net (John S. Dyson) wrote in message news:<c7ra1k$2d3f$1@news.iquest.net>...
All French/German/British/American intelligence almost PROVED the WMDs.

Love that "almost".

Bill, you stole my line!

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"With me is nothing wrong! And with you?" (from r.a.m.p)

 

[Daniel Haude]

On Wed, 12 May 2004 12:02:15 GMT,
Fred Bloggs <nospam@nospam.com> wrote
in Msg. <40A21244.30707@nospam.com>

This problem with all these killings and kidnappings is the result of
asinine Rumsfeld mentality of thinking he can commercialize everything-
including the work of re-building a basic infra-structure in a deadly
war zone.

On Fri, 05 Dec 2003 14:51:15 GMT,
Fred Bloggs <nospam@nospam.com> wrote
in Msg. <3FD09B54.1010009@nospam.com>

Are you saying Donald Rumsfeld is not educated? Have you anything even
remotely close to the achievement of graduating from Princeton
University with an Honors Degree in political science?

At least I'm not 'asinine'.

--
"With me is nothing wrong! And with you?" (from r.a.m.p)

 

[John Fields]

On Wed, 12 May 2004 01:15:41 -0300, YD <yd.techHAT@techie.com> wrote:

JF a leftist??? Next you'll claim he's pals with RSW. Go take a break,
mmm-k?

---
Hey, I like Steve.

I don't often agree with his politics, but he's up-front about what he
believes in, he's articulate and knowledgeable, and his technical
expertise is excellent, as is his ftp site.

--
John Fields

 

[Bill Sloman]

toor@iquest.net (John S. Dyson) wrote in message news:<c7sgcf$2off$1@news.iquest.net>...

In article <c7rmja$2grf$3@news.iquest.net>,
toor@iquest.net (John S. Dyson) writes:
In article <bj30a0h06eft0bdnnrnglb0jl7i1u2tmnd@4ax.com>,
Savage John Fields <jfields@austininstruments.com> blathers:
On Mon, 10 May 2004 23:02:47 GMT, "Tom Del Rosso"
tdnews01@att.net.invalid> wrote:

In news:Fajmc.28720$Ia6.4539796@attbi_s03,
Scott Stephens typed:

http://www.aztlan.net/iraqi_women_raped.htm

In the heading: "US based Jewish pornographers".

This new set of pictures may be real, but that kind of puts the source
into question.

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Well, of course the _pictures_ are real, but it's not hard to dress up
a bunch of folks to look like GIs and a few women to pretend they're
_not_ whores and stage the whole thing, then put the pictures into
circulation and let the cards fall where they may...

The good thing is that the perpetrators will be prosecuted, but the
Islamists will NOT be condemned for the beheadings. There are
misguided people who prefer the death of Americans over the
ludicrious embarassment of anyone else.

Imagine having your head sawed off, while still alive? That is torture.
That is murder.

Of course it is.

Al Q'iada is a terrorist organisation, who make their impression by
killing people. The sooner they are all locked up in an asylum for the
terminally psychopathic, the better.

Unfortunately, they claim to be "freedom fighters", protecting the
Arab world from the oppression by the godless Americans.

If the godless Americans can be shown to be acting in a
non-God-fearing way, by using obscene hazing rituals to "soften up"
Iraki prisoners for interrogation, this plays right into Al Q'iada's
hands, and delays the day when their supporters wake up and toss them
all into a top-security lunatic asylum, with the other Hannibal
Lectors of this world.

Nobody bothers spending column inches condemning Al Q'iada for being
psychopathic - that is utterly predictable and old news. When the
American "liberators" of Irak misbehave, and hand Al Q'iada an
unexpected and unnecessary propaganda victory, that is unexpected, and
it is news.

Rumsfeld's cavalier attitude to the Geneva conventions is just one
more of the short-sighted errors made by Dubbya's administration - if
he was as bright as Fred Bloggs used to claim, Rumsfeld would have
worked out why the countries that signed the Geneva conventions
consented to the constraints involved, rather than dismissing them as
namby-pamby.

------
Bill Sloman, Nijmegen

 

[John Fields]

On 12 May 2004 12:38:59 GMT, Daniel Haude
<haude@physnet.uni-hamburg.de> wrote:

On Wed, 12 May 2004 10:24:18 GMT,
Rich Grise <null@example.net> wrote
in Msg. <mXmoc.187523$L31.173505@nwrddc01.gnilink.net

Yeah, so they got him. Mission accomplished. So howcome American
troops are still killing people? What's the new mission? What is
_really_ Bush's goal?

Why is everybody afraid to ask these questions?

I asked exactly these and got only very vague answers to the effect that
there is some hope that the Iraq invasion would eventually make the world
a better place, while of course nobody could know as of yet if it would
blah blah. The reasons for this war remain unknown unknowns, it seems.

---
The reasons for the war were:

1. We want unfettered access to the oil and with Saddam Hussein in
power we'd have to ask "pretty please" and kiss his ass to get it,
so we went to war because we like oil, we don't like Saddam
Hussein and we don't like to to kiss ass.

2. Saddam Hussein pissed us off by not doing what he was told to.
By everybody, not just by us.

3. We're tired of being fucked with.

Simple.

--
John Fields

 

[Tom Del Rosso]

In news:7c584d27.0405120529.7909d481@posting.google.com,
Bill Sloman typed:

Rumsfeld's cavalier attitude to the Geneva conventions is just one
more of the short-sighted errors made by Dubbya's administration - if
he was as bright as Fred Bloggs used to claim, Rumsfeld would have
worked out why the countries that signed the Geneva conventions
consented to the constraints involved, rather than dismissing them as
namby-pamby.

He dismisses them as not applying to un-uniformed terrorists and
guerrillas. I believe the language of the conventions specifies
treatment of soldiers who identify themselves, and who have a command
structure that can be held responsible for their actions.


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[Fred Bloggs]

Bill Sloman wrote:

Rumsfeld's cavalier attitude to the Geneva conventions is just one
more of the short-sighted errors made by Dubbya's administration - if
he was as bright as Fred Bloggs used to claim, Rumsfeld would have
worked out why the countries that signed the Geneva conventions
consented to the constraints involved, rather than dismissing them as
namby-pamby.

There were no Geneva Convention violations or prison abuse that I can
see. There were one or two detainees who were beaten to death but in
each case it was justified. Those individuals were captured insurgents
and terrorists who had information regarding those groups and their
plans to conduct assassinations and suicide bombings- it is not only
permissible but an absolute necessity to extract information from them
before it expires. This is not a prisoner-of-war issue, it is an
anti-terrorist measure. The detainees in general were NOT
prisoners-of-war, and they were NOT political dissidents, they were
dangerous and violent people. You make yourself look like quite the ass
to be adopting the perspective that you have. Some people shouldn't be
allowed access to the news- they are too stupid to assimilate the
information rationally.

 

[Fred Bloggs]

Daniel Haude wrote:

On Wed, 12 May 2004 12:02:15 GMT,
Fred Bloggs <nospam@nospam.com> wrote
in Msg. <40A21244.30707@nospam.com

This problem with all these killings and kidnappings is the result of
asinine Rumsfeld mentality of thinking he can commercialize everything-
including the work of re-building a basic infra-structure in a deadly
war zone.


On Fri, 05 Dec 2003 14:51:15 GMT,
Fred Bloggs <nospam@nospam.com> wrote
in Msg. <3FD09B54.1010009@nospam.com

Are you saying Donald Rumsfeld is not educated? Have you anything even
remotely close to the achievement of graduating from Princeton
University with an Honors Degree in political science?


At least I'm not 'asinine'.

Yawn... not even the English would waste a word to describe the kind of
non-entity you are. Complex individuals usually possess several hundred
key attributes by which they are assessed. They are not ALL this or ALL
that. My assessment pertained specifically to the judgment call of
commercialization of intrinsically military operations- damned idiot (you).

 

[Reg Edwards]

The reasons for this war remain unknown unknowns, it seems.

===================================

Have you never heard of OIL or PETROL or GAS ?

You must be one of the 80 percent of the population who have no idea where
Iraq is.

 

[Reg Edwards]

Are you saying Donald Rumsfeld is not educated? Have you anything even
remotely close to the achievement of graduating from Princeton
University with an Honors Degree in political science?

============================

It is that Honors Degree which has caused all the trouble. The education
system is falling to bits.

 

[Mark Fergerson]

Bill Sloman wrote:

toor@iquest.net (John S. Dyson) wrote in message news:<c7s6h5$2lli$1@news.iquest.net>...

In article <7c584d27.0405111733.177c8235@posting.google.com>,
bill.sloman@ieee.org (Bill Sloman) writes:

Scott Stephens <scottxs@comcast.net> wrote in message news:<zm9oc.27672$iF6.2845737@attbi_s02>...

Bill Sloman wrote:


So we are to forgive the Republican administration, who invaded Irak
for reasons that turn out to be have been inadequate,

Hussein never complied with the terms of the cease-fire from the first
gulf war HE STARTED.

So what.


He had it coming, he needed to get it, sooner or
later, one way or another.

A little later, with a proper UN-mandated coalition, would have been a
lot better.


No UN mandate would have happened due to the graft and
corruption.


On the contrary, the only thing that blocked the UN mandate was that
the U.S. wasn't prepared to spend the time and money on the graft and
corruption required to get such a mandate

What, Spain was easier bought until their Socialists took
over? I thought Mordida was a New World invention.

that's how you got your
mandate for the first Gulf War, and it was time and money well-spent.

I see; it's a "moral war" if Euros get their cut of the
action. You could have said so earlier and prevented much
name-calling. What's _your_ price for a favorable opinion on
U.S. action overseas? Taking bids? I can't wait for you to
put it up on Ebay.

Your current administration was simply too gung-ho to worry about the
problems of holding down Irak once they had invaded it - one more
example of their short-sighted attitudes.

So, you're admitting that World Public Opinion is driven
by graft among leaders? If opinion has a price, it isn't
worth buying.

Mark L. Fergerson

 

[Ralph Christopher]

John Fields <jfields@austininstruments.com> wrote:

On Tue, 11 May 2004 00:21:34 -0300, YD <yd.techHAT@techie.com> wrote:

On Mon, 10 May 2004 15:33:49 -0500, John Fields
jfields@austininstruments.com> wrote:

On Mon, 10 May 2004 20:59:05 +0200, Ralph Christopher
ralphc@snafu.de> wrote:


We have seen it happening.

---
We all have. You _allowed_ it to happen.

Oh, come off it. Those who did allow it to happen are all dead or very
close to by now. Are you on about the sins of the fathers or
something?

---
I'm not, but Ralph sure seems to be carrying a shitload of guilt
because his grandfather was a Nazi... Or something he's not happy
with.

There you go again, typing before thinking. To correct you: both of
them were not Nazis, one being one of the few who spoke up, when
during the 60s after a few drinks cruel jokes about the camps were
told on parties.

And no, I don't feel guilty at all. I just gave some facts and
opinion.

---

Times change you know.

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Yeah and, hopefully and if we're careful, history won't repeat itself.

Agreed. Careful is the word.

--
Ralph Christopher

 

[John Fields]

On Wed, 12 May 2004 18:28:39 +0200, Ralph Christopher
<ralphc@snafu.de> wrote:

There you go again, typing before thinking. To correct you: both of
them were not Nazis, one being one of the few who spoke up, when
during the 60s after a few drinks cruel jokes about the camps were
told on parties.

And no, I don't feel guilty at all. I just gave some facts and
opinion.

---
Great!!!

Now, since everybody's happy I'll just let your little dig slide and
go back to writing about what I want to...

--
John Fields

 

[Scott Stephens]

Rich Grise wrote:

Hussein never complied with the terms of the cease-fire from the first
gulf war HE STARTED. He had it coming, he needed to get it, sooner or
later, one way or another. You can't have Stalinists dominating the
middle-east oil producers to fund nuclear weapon programs.


Yeah, so they got him. Mission accomplished. So howcome American
troops are still killing people? What's the new mission? What is
_really_ Bush's goal?

Making Iraq safe for Haliburton and Bechtel, & McDonalds =)

Why is everybody afraid to ask these questions?

I'm not =)

--
Scott

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[Scott Stephens]

John Fields wrote:

The reasons for the war were:

1. We want unfettered access to the oil and with Saddam Hussein in
power we'd have to ask "pretty please" and kiss his ass to get it,
so we went to war because we like oil, we don't like Saddam
Hussein and we don't like to to kiss ass.

2. Saddam Hussein pissed us off by not doing what he was told to.
By everybody, not just by us.

3. We're tired of being fucked with.

Simple.

You forgot the WMD's, the funding of suicide bombers, and the
megalomaniacal tenancy to invade neighbors to pay for expensive
weapons-addiction.

--
Scott

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[Paul Burridge]

On Wed, 12 May 2004 18:28:39 +0200, Ralph Christopher
<ralphc@snafu.de> wrote:

Agreed. Careful is the word.

Oh yes. And you're here to police that we are. How reassuring! LOL!
:-D



--

"What is now proved was once only imagin'd." - William Blake, 1793.

 

[Paul Burridge]

On Wed, 12 May 2004 18:28:39 +0200, Ralph Christopher
<ralphc@snafu.de> wrote:

And no, I don't feel guilty at all. I just gave some facts and
opinion.

Opinion? Sounded like dogma to me. Since you're the new netcop around
here, please tell me from whence you derive your authority to try to
tell everybody else what they should think and say

Agreed. Careful is the word.

Indeed. Lest you pounce on them for something you in your superior
wisdom and life experience judge as unacceptable.

--

"What is now proved was once only imagin'd." - William Blake, 1793.