[OT] Photos from Brother Bush's Rape Room

[John Fields]

On Mon, 10 May 2004 23:02:47 GMT, "Tom Del Rosso"
<tdnews01@att.net.invalid> wrote:

In news:Fajmc.28720$Ia6.4539796@attbi_s03,
Scott Stephens typed:

http://www.aztlan.net/iraqi_women_raped.htm

In the heading: "US based Jewish pornographers".

This new set of pictures may be real, but that kind of puts the source
into question.

---
Well, of course the _pictures_ are real, but it's not hard to dress up
a bunch of folks to look like GIs and a few women to pretend they're
_not_ whores and stage the whole thing, then put the pictures into
circulation and let the cards fall where they may...

--
John Fields

 

[Jim Thompson]

On Mon, 10 May 2004 23:02:47 GMT, "Tom Del Rosso"
<tdnews01@att.net.invalid> wrote:

In news:Fajmc.28720$Ia6.4539796@attbi_s03,
Scott Stephens typed:

http://www.aztlan.net/iraqi_women_raped.htm

In the heading: "US based Jewish pornographers".

This new set of pictures may be real, but that kind of puts the source
into question.

Well I've always argued... put Israel in control of Iraq ;-)

...Jim Thompson
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[YD]

On Mon, 10 May 2004 15:33:49 -0500, John Fields
<jfields@austininstruments.com> wrote:

On Mon, 10 May 2004 20:59:05 +0200, Ralph Christopher
ralphc@snafu.de> wrote:


We have seen it happening.

---
We all have. You _allowed_ it to happen.

Oh, come off it. Those who did allow it to happen are all dead or very
close to by now. Are you on about the sins of the fathers or
something? Times change you know.

- YD.

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[YD]

On 10 May 2004 09:33:11 -0700, jdurban@vorel.com (Product developer)
wrote:

nico@puntnl.niks (Nico Coesel) wrote in message news:<409e55f2.702894468@news.planet.nl>...
"Rich Grise" <null@example.net> wrote:

"Gilbert Mouget" <prenom.nom@free.fr.invalid> wrote in message
news:409a13a1$0$20748$626a14ce@news.free.fr...

--
"We, citizens of the world, call for the universal abolition of
the death penalty and for an immediate halt to executions of those
condemned to death throughout the world."

URL:http://www.moratorium2000.org/action/petition.lasso

I thought up the perfect punishment instead of death. And for any
heinous crime, for that matter.

One of the bad things about any kind of "punishment" is that
it's inflicted on the person's body, when the mind is actually
the culprit.

So, here's my idea. A certain amount of time in solitary,
up to life.

And I mean _solitary._ Not even guards. Just a food dispenser.
And give him all the creature comforts - at least, don't inflict
isolation. Nowadays, they can read books, and I guess some
of them can watch TV, or get visistors, and they have recreation
with the other prisoners, and I've heard some of them even can
get on the internet!

Hmm, over here prisoners can even have S** with their partner (or paid
companion) from outside prison.

I have the ultimate punishment. Force the prisioner to watch Spike Lee
and Micheal Moore movies until hi head pops off.

Even better: force him to read all the political rants in sed, with
special attention to the writings by Fred Bloggs, John Dyson and Steve
Waltz. Leave a cyanide capsule beside him, see which he prefers.

- YD.

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[Paul Burridge]

On Mon, 10 May 2004 18:28:47 -0500, John Fields
<jfields@austininstruments.com> wrote:

On Mon, 10 May 2004 23:02:47 GMT, "Tom Del Rosso"
tdnews01@att.net.invalid> wrote:

In news:Fajmc.28720$Ia6.4539796@attbi_s03,
Scott Stephens typed:

http://www.aztlan.net/iraqi_women_raped.htm

In the heading: "US based Jewish pornographers".

This new set of pictures may be real, but that kind of puts the source
into question.

---
Well, of course the _pictures_ are real, but it's not hard to dress up
a bunch of folks to look like GIs and a few women to pretend they're
_not_ whores and stage the whole thing, then put the pictures into
circulation and let the cards fall where they may...

Not sure if the word is out yet, but the pictures purporting to be of
the British Army abusing prisoners have now been officially confirmed
as fakes - as many of us had suspected all along from the
discrepancies in them. I only hope they'll track down the hoaxers and
deal with them suitably harshly - they've caused untold damage already
and the Arabs will just assume the finding of falsity is a cover-up.
It would be nice to see the 'newspaper' editor who published the fake
photos and stood by them initially, lynched in public, preferably in
Iraq.

--

"What is now proved was once only imagin'd." - William Blake, 1793.

 

[Bill Sloman]

toor@iquest.net (John S. Dyson) wrote in message news:<c7f3g7$1r7g$1@news.iquest.net>...

In article <409a13a1$0$20748$626a14ce@news.free.fr>,
Gilbert Mouget <prenom.nom@free.fr.invalid> writes:
In article <Fajmc.28720$Ia6.4539796@attbi_s03>,
dated Thu, 06 May 2004 04:29:25 GMT,
Scott Stephens, <scottxs@comcast.net> says...

<snipped more or less rational, if uninspired, content>

If you want to blame the cause of the understaffing of the
military in general (and don't assume that we have enough people
without a lot of pain to staff up Iraq very much more than it already
is), then let's look for the reasons why the military was understaffed
and the reasons why the intelligence organizations had been so
incompetent in dealing with the situation. (Hint: it takes more
than three years to build up the military and intelligence services,
but it only takes a few idiotic downsizing decisions at high levels.)

So we are to forgive the Republican administration, who invaded Irak
for reasons that turn out to be have been inadequate, with an army
that turns out to have been inadequate, because the previous
(Democratic-minority) administration hadn't spent even more money on
an already over-sized military, presumably because they weren't
contemplating any foolish military adventures.

This is specious Republican-party-political propaganda, like most of
your output. If you were any good at it, you might just be able to
sustain your pose as a "centerist", but you seem to be a brain-implant
short of the capacity to sustain that sort of deception.

------
Bill Sloman, Nijmegen

 

[Tim Auton]

toor@iquest.net (John S. Dyson) wrote:
[snip]

If you want to blame the cause of the understaffing of the
military in general

The US Military is understaffed? mmmmmkay...


Tim
--
Love is a travelator.

 

[John Fields]

On Tue, 11 May 2004 00:21:38 -0300, YD <yd.techHAT@techie.com> wrote:

On 10 May 2004 09:33:11 -0700, jdurban@vorel.com (Product developer)
wrote:

I have the ultimate punishment. Force the prisioner to watch Spike Lee
and Micheal Moore movies until hi head pops off.

Even better: force him to read all the political rants in sed, with
special attention to the writings by Fred Bloggs, John Dyson and Steve
Waltz. Leave a cyanide capsule beside him, see which he prefers.

---
The cruelest form of punishment (and my personal favorite) is the one
inflicted on the Martians at the end of "MARS ATTACKS!"

--
John Fields

 

[John Fields]

On Tue, 11 May 2004 00:21:34 -0300, YD <yd.techHAT@techie.com> wrote:

On Mon, 10 May 2004 15:33:49 -0500, John Fields
jfields@austininstruments.com> wrote:

On Mon, 10 May 2004 20:59:05 +0200, Ralph Christopher
ralphc@snafu.de> wrote:


We have seen it happening.

---
We all have. You _allowed_ it to happen.

Oh, come off it. Those who did allow it to happen are all dead or very
close to by now. Are you on about the sins of the fathers or
something?

---
I'm not, but Ralph sure seems to be carrying a shitload of guilt
because his grandfather was a Nazi... Or something he's not happy
with.
---

Times change you know.

---
Yeah and, hopefully and if we're careful, history won't repeat itself.

--
John Fields

 

[Scott Stephens]

Rich Grise wrote:

I thought up the perfect punishment instead of death. And for any
heinous crime, for that matter.

One of the bad things about any kind of "punishment" is that
it's inflicted on the person's body, when the mind is actually
the culprit.

Scott Card wrote a delightful little short story for Omni Magazine
called "A thousand Deaths" in which a dissident is cloned and repeatedly
executed in increasingly gruesome detail.

But inventing new and clever ways to torture & kill seems to lack a
certain class and metaphysical wisdom. I mean, I often want to take a
sawed-off shotgun to my various Windowz boxes for all the evil and
torment they continually subject me to, but that wouldn't solve anything.
(Perhaps its Bill Gates I should be aiming for?)

If time and resources were available, sick and evil minds could be
fixed, but since it isn't, it seems the best thing to do with a hardened
thug is to dispatch them with the least effort and fuss possible.

To do anything else is to glorify, model and sanction violence and
sadism, rather than recognizing it is a result of ignorance, and/or
depravity, and/or illness and/or weakness, whether practiced by thugs or
government.

I find Military and law enforcement are depressing occupations. Who
wants to destroy human trash? One the other hand, there is something
satisfying about breaking stuff, if someone else has to clean up the mess.

--
Scott

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[Scott Stephens]

Bill Sloman wrote:

So we are to forgive the Republican administration, who invaded Irak
for reasons that turn out to be have been inadequate,

Hussein never complied with the terms of the cease-fire from the first
gulf war HE STARTED. He had it coming, he needed to get it, sooner or
later, one way or another. You can't have Stalinists dominating the
middle-east oil producers to fund nuclear weapon programs.

with an army

that turns out to have been inadequate, because the previous
(Democratic-minority) administration hadn't spent even more money on
an already over-sized military, presumably because they weren't
contemplating any foolish military adventures.

My preference would have been to set up 7-11 style arms-marts, and
rent-an-air strike service for the various tribes and militias that were
friendly to us.

I suspect that's what is going to happen, after a lot more futile
attempts at forcing packs of nasty natives to be civil.

--
Scott

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[Paul Burridge]

On Tue, 11 May 2004 12:25:37 -0500, John Fields
<jfields@austininstruments.com> wrote:

The cruelest form of punishment (and my personal favorite) is the one
inflicted on the Martians at the end of "MARS ATTACKS!"

The military suddenly notice the aliens have no skulls and simply
whack their exposed brains with baseball bats? Is that the film?

--

"What is now proved was once only imagin'd." - William Blake, 1793.

 

[Ralph Christopher]

John Fields <jfields@austininstruments.com> wrote:

On Mon, 10 May 2004 20:59:05 +0200, Ralph Christopher
ralphc@snafu.de> wrote:

John Fields <jfields@austininstruments.com> wrote:

On Sun, 09 May 2004 19:25:07 +0200, Ralph Christopher
ralphc@snafu.de> wrote:


When reading this vivid description, the showers of death at Auschwitz
immediately came to my mind.

---
A fantasy where a condemned piece of shit is tortured by being made to
live and relive his last moments of terror and, perhaps, reflect on
the terror which he caused innocents to suffer is vastly different
from the reality the innocents suffered in Auschwitz.

This depends on if you want it to become reality. Eichmann did. Do
you?

---
Stop trying to put me on the defensive. I wrote a little story about
a way to make a single deserving individual live a recurring nightmare
and you're trying to equate that to Eichmann's authoring the death of
millions.

No, I am not. As you feel attacked now, I guess your answer to my
question would be: No. I just wanted to find out how serious you were
about it.

---

Perhaps you would be happier if the condemned prisoner was Aichmann?

He would have loved your fantasy...

---
You didn't answer the question.

Here you are: No.

Perhaps he would have, and perhaps he also loved a good bottle of
wine. I know I do; does that make me a mass murderer also?

Absolutely not.

---

Go for it; write your own "politically correct" story and stop whining
because I write something which makes you squirm.

I won`t. I have read and learned from sci.electronics.* for 15 years
now and what really disturbs me is the rude and sometimes offensive
and inhumane language that is being used here in political discussions
lately.

---
If you've been around here for 15 years and you're still as
thin-skinned as you profess to be, I suggest your visits are far from
frequent.

Exactly my point: I download news every weekend and if I would have
read all these hard political discussions, I maybe wouldn't bother
today. Maybe I would have considered your fantasy a funny joke, just
as many Germans did not care when the Jews were taken away after years
of Nazi propaganda. Please don't get this wrong again: Iam not
comparing you to Goebbels.

I usually just move on to the next subject when the standard gets too
low. Only lately I had to press 'ignore' too many times, which, by the
way, is by far not only due to your postings. You are right in
assuming that I became emotional when reading your 'fantasy'. It had a
strong resemblance to the stories we heard about this in school.

---

I think that some of the greatest talents in the field are
contributing to this group technically and I would hate to see some
of them go away.

---
Not only technically, but socially as well and if you've been around
here for 15 years you should know who's hard-core and who isn't and
who isn't going to get spooked by language and run away.
---

Remember that probably a few thousend people are following these
discussions worldwide, maybe even some students at Baghdad university
who are wondering if this is the way things are dicussed in a free
democracy.

---
As strange as it may seem to you, this is _exactly_ how things are
discussed in a free society.

Not in ours. I guess by 'free' you mean not having to keep to any
standards, politeness etc...

Who the fuck do you think you are,
anyway, to tell _anyone_ to stop writing about what they want to or
in the way they want to because it upsets your sensibilities?

---

I find it scary to read this exactly 59 years after the end of WW II
from an American.

---
Get over it. It was US who closed the death camps and have done
everything in our power to bring the Jews back into a sovereign
position in the world since then, so I hardly think your fear is
justified.

I hope you are right but just a few remarks: It took Hitler 9 years
after writing his famous book to become elected in a free and
democratic election by the majority of the generation of my
grandparents of which some became the monsters who built the death
camps.
After the war it took us 50 years to become the pacifist, whining,
illoyal and unthankful people that some of you consider us.
My point: as you can see societies will change. By using a certain
kind of language you can break moral barriers making way for extremist
views.

---
And by _not_ using certain kinds of language you can hasten the
collapse of those moral barriers and allow the extremist views to
become real. Case in point, had your grandparents' generation been
outraged and vocal instead of silently buying into Hitler's "We're
better than they are" trap, Auschwitz would never have happened.
---

Wrong. They ELECTED him. Knowingly. The Nazi propaganda machine used
exactly this kind of language and made it possible. People became
accustomed to the hate and the war of words. They became insensitive,
something that you seem to want me to be.

We have seen it happening.

---
We all have. You _allowed_ it to happen.

I did not. I only hope that it does not happen again.

Ralph, Berlin
--
Ralph Christopher

 

[John S. Dyson]

In article <7c584d27.0405110246.55d8d6db@posting.google.com>,
bill.sloman@ieee.org (Bill Sloman) writes:

toor@iquest.net (John S. Dyson) wrote in message news:<c7f3g7$1r7g$1@news.iquest.net>...
In article <409a13a1$0$20748$626a14ce@news.free.fr>,
Gilbert Mouget <prenom.nom@free.fr.invalid> writes:
In article <Fajmc.28720$Ia6.4539796@attbi_s03>,
dated Thu, 06 May 2004 04:29:25 GMT,
Scott Stephens, <scottxs@comcast.net> says...

snipped more or less rational, if uninspired, content

If you want to blame the cause of the understaffing of the
military in general (and don't assume that we have enough people
without a lot of pain to staff up Iraq very much more than it already
is), then let's look for the reasons why the military was understaffed
and the reasons why the intelligence organizations had been so
incompetent in dealing with the situation. (Hint: it takes more
than three years to build up the military and intelligence services,
but it only takes a few idiotic downsizing decisions at high levels.)

So we are to forgive the Republican administration, who invaded Irak
for reasons that turn out to be have been inadequate,

All French/German/British/American intelligence almost PROVED the WMDs.

Too bad that we needed to depend upon foreign sources because partially
of the vast Clinton downsizing.

with an army
that turns out to have been inadequate,

Far from inadequate, simply we have to follow unfair rules against

the US. Remember the FACT that CBS deferring the broadcast of
the pictures had given Nicholas Berg a few more weeks to live.
If they would have described the content, instead of showing the
pictures (while still informing the literate people), then Berg
might still be alive. Alas, the Al Queda, whether they are in
Indian/Pakistan/US or Iraq, they tend to behead people... Look
at history.

because the previous
(Democratic-minority) administration hadn't spent even more money on
an already over-sized military,

Actually, it was more the intelligence agency downsizing that seems

to have mostly increased the proability of this issue. There was
certainly an issue of depending upon reservists (because of the military
being overly downsized), but they weren't the instigators of the abuse.
There was definitely an issue of a Brigadier General who seeemed
incompetent.

Yes, downsizing was most of the problem, and loss of a certain
military structure due to incompetency and hatred of the military
over the last 8yr presidency.

presumably because they weren't
contemplating any foolish military adventures.

No foolish military adventures so far -- otherwise Korea would

have been attacked (per the leftists taunting to be insane
while negotiations are still productive!!!) With Iraq, we
also got two for one (Libya), who probably had some of Saddam's
materials in their grasp.

John

 

[John S. Dyson]

In article <lcg0a0dbu3n1no0qaaof4j0jab28dsgctq@4ax.com>,
YD <yd.techHAT@techie.com> writes:

On 10 May 2004 09:33:11 -0700, jdurban@vorel.com (Product developer)
wrote:

nico@puntnl.niks (Nico Coesel) wrote in message news:<409e55f2.702894468@news.planet.nl>...
"Rich Grise" <null@example.net> wrote:

"Gilbert Mouget" <prenom.nom@free.fr.invalid> wrote in message
news:409a13a1$0$20748$626a14ce@news.free.fr...

--
"We, citizens of the world, call for the universal abolition of
the death penalty and for an immediate halt to executions of those
condemned to death throughout the world."

URL:http://www.moratorium2000.org/action/petition.lasso

I thought up the perfect punishment instead of death. And for any
heinous crime, for that matter.

One of the bad things about any kind of "punishment" is that
it's inflicted on the person's body, when the mind is actually
the culprit.

So, here's my idea. A certain amount of time in solitary,
up to life.

And I mean _solitary._ Not even guards. Just a food dispenser.
And give him all the creature comforts - at least, don't inflict
isolation. Nowadays, they can read books, and I guess some
of them can watch TV, or get visistors, and they have recreation
with the other prisoners, and I've heard some of them even can
get on the internet!

Hmm, over here prisoners can even have S** with their partner (or paid
companion) from outside prison.

I have the ultimate punishment. Force the prisioner to watch Spike Lee
and Micheal Moore movies until hi head pops off.

Even better: force him to read all the political rants in sed, with
special attention to the writings by Fred Bloggs, John Dyson and Steve

Remember: it is good that CBS news gave two weeks to the leader of the

Joint Chiefs of Staff to try to remove all of the hostages -- and too
bad for Nicholas Berg that the propaganda decision by CBS wasn't delayed
just a little longer. Thank you, CBS and your leftist idealogues who
couldn't wait just a little longer :-(.

History judges success and failure, but strategic information need not
be exposed immediately.

John

 

[John S. Dyson]

In article <guv0a0lcf4f6djs6jk7rd64m1drbc4v2s3@4ax.com>,
Paul Burridge <pb@notthisbit.osiris1.co.uk> writes:

On Mon, 10 May 2004 18:28:47 -0500, John Fields
jfields@austininstruments.com> wrote:

On Mon, 10 May 2004 23:02:47 GMT, "Tom Del Rosso"
tdnews01@att.net.invalid> wrote:

In news:Fajmc.28720$Ia6.4539796@attbi_s03,
Scott Stephens typed:

http://www.aztlan.net/iraqi_women_raped.htm

In the heading: "US based Jewish pornographers".

This new set of pictures may be real, but that kind of puts the source
into question.

---
Well, of course the _pictures_ are real, but it's not hard to dress up
a bunch of folks to look like GIs and a few women to pretend they're
_not_ whores and stage the whole thing, then put the pictures into
circulation and let the cards fall where they may...

Not sure if the word is out yet, but the pictures purporting to be of
the British Army abusing prisoners have now been officially confirmed
as fakes - as many of us had suspected all along from the
discrepancies in them. I only hope they'll track down the hoaxers and
deal with them suitably harshly - they've caused untold damage already
and the Arabs will just assume the finding of falsity is a cover-up.

Even the legit exposure of the pictures taken by the out-of-control

unit have allegedly caused the death of Nicholas Berg. (Well, Al Queda
doesnt' behead people just based upon pictures.)

If there was no due process going on (which was in process already), then
there would have been significant reason to expose the pictures right
away. As it is, the normal military due process was almost functioning
in an expedited fashion. The ONLY positive result from this mess is that
it is found that the Air Force has an expedited procedure, and the'll
be looking into it for the Army.

Information travels much faster in the rest of the world than the
official channels in the US military. This needs to be resolved.

John

 

[John Fields]

On Tue, 11 May 2004 19:41:45 +0000 (UTC), toor@iquest.net (John S.
Dyson) wrote:

Remember: it is good that CBS news gave two weeks to the leader of the
Joint Chiefs of Staff to try to remove all of the hostages -- and too
bad for Nicholas Berg that the propaganda decision by CBS wasn't delayed
just a little longer. Thank you, CBS and your leftist idealogues who
couldn't wait just a little longer :-(.

History judges success and failure, but strategic information need not
be exposed immediately.

---
Interesting that you precede the rancid "meat" of your posts with
"Remember:", and then offer a little tidbit which is supposed to ring
true and thus allude to the truth of the bullshit which follows it.

You're a goddam fake.

--
John Fields

 

[John Fields]

On Tue, 11 May 2004 19:45:21 +0000 (UTC), toor@iquest.net (John S.
Dyson) wrote:

Information travels much faster in the rest of the world than the
official channels in the US military. This needs to be resolved.

---
Fuck you, Dyson, and your self-important pronouncements. You have no
idea how fast information travels in the military, so your call for
"resolution" of what you think might be a problem is just
grandstanding. Get a fucking life.

--
John Fields

 

[John S. Dyson]

On Tue, 11 May 2004 19:41:45 +0000 (UTC), toor@iquest.net (John S.
Dyson) wrote:


Remember: it is good that CBS news gave two weeks to the leader of the
Joint Chiefs of Staff to try to remove all of the hostages -- and too
bad for Nicholas Berg that the propaganda decision by CBS wasn't delayed
just a little longer. Thank you, CBS and your leftist idealogues who
couldn't wait just a little longer :-(.

History judges success and failure, but strategic information need not
be exposed immediately.

---
Interesting that you precede the brilliant "meat" of your posts with
"Remember:", and then offer a little tidbit which is supposed to ring

I guess that it is wrong to assume that John Fields knows very much.

Remember: CBS delayed the very necessary exposure of the pictures
thereby risking an all important scoop. This delay of 2wks probably
delayed torture of the American/Western victims for those weeks.
Thank God to the leftist CBS for giving the kidnap victims 2 more
weeks of life!!! :-(.

(Since John Fields doesn't remember -- just read mainstream (even leftist)
press for the info. I'd suspect that CBS news would even brag about the
whole 2wks delay, so very fearful of censorship!!!) I am sure that
Nicholas Berg is happy to have been beheaded alive and slowly in order
to support the leftist CBS scoop :-(.

John

 

[John S. Dyson]

In article <fkg2a0tcs8jchbv3pkn7kaibvfg68n7ph4@4ax.com>,
Hateful John Fields <jfields@austininstruments.com> whined and profaned:

On Tue, 11 May 2004 19:45:21 +0000 (UTC), toor@iquest.net (John S.
Dyson) wrote:


Information travels much faster in the rest of the world than the
official channels in the US military. This needs to be resolved.

---
Fuck you, Dyson, and your self-important pronouncements.

Not self-important, but repeating some info from the testimony

today. No big deal, but I know that you have hate in your too-small
heart. The info is public domain, and available for you to review.
(I am sure that transcripts are available online somewhere.)

You seem to have troubles in expressing yourself without using
profane language... Are you just so overcome by hate (the left
tends to have that problem :-(.)

John