OT! OT! Not in Arizona

[John Woodgate]

I read in sci.electronics.design that Robert C Monsen
<rcsurname@comcast.net> wrote (in <Z3GXb.308880$I06.3151962@attbi_s01&gt
about 'OT! OT! Not in Arizona', on Sun, 15 Feb 2004:

The guy is an awful troll. Its his presentation, those awful arrogant
diatribes, I can't stomach.

No, he's not a troll. He does have very strong and highly unconventional
views. But he also knows a lot of electronics.

With regard to his views on sex, our closest genetic relative, the
bonobo, shares those views and doesn't seem to have come to much harm.

BUT that doesn't mean that we should allow such practices in human
society. The huge stumbling block is that it's probably easy to
establish 'consent' between two bonobos, but virtually impossible
between two humans, one of whom is bigger and stronger than the other.
--
Regards, John Woodgate, OOO - Own Opinions Only.
The good news is that nothing is compulsory.
The bad news is that everything is prohibited.
http://www.jmwa.demon.co.uk Also see http://www.isce.org.uk

 

[John Woodgate]

I read in sci.electronics.design that Rich Grise <null@example.net>
wrote (in <NdDXb.23114$1S1.7746@nwrddc01.gnilink.net&gt about 'OT! OT!
Not in Arizona', on Sun, 15 Feb 2004:

You know, don't you, that George W. Bush is the reincarnation of Adolf
Hitler?

No he isn't. There is incontrovertible evidence that Adolf is a small
earthworm in the garden of 23 Railway Cuttings, Cheam, England. (;-)

GWB may be the reincarnation of someone/something else. But he doesn't
come across as evil to me. Misguided and ill-informed, but not evil.
--
Regards, John Woodgate, OOO - Own Opinions Only.
The good news is that nothing is compulsory.
The bad news is that everything is prohibited.
http://www.jmwa.demon.co.uk Also see http://www.isce.org.uk

 

[Robert C Monsen]

"John Woodgate" <jmw@jmwa.demon.contraspam.yuk> wrote in message
news:x3npLCClX1LAFwWG@jmwa.demon.co.uk...

I read in sci.electronics.design that Robert C Monsen
rcsurname@comcast.net> wrote (in <Z3GXb.308880$I06.3151962@attbi_s01&gt
about 'OT! OT! Not in Arizona', on Sun, 15 Feb 2004:

The guy is an awful troll. Its his presentation, those awful arrogant
diatribes, I can't stomach.

No, he's not a troll. He does have very strong and highly unconventional
views. But he also knows a lot of electronics.

Yes, bad choice of words. I apologize to Steve.

With regard to his views on sex, our closest genetic relative, the
bonobo, shares those views and doesn't seem to have come to much harm.

BUT that doesn't mean that we should allow such practices in human
society. The huge stumbling block is that it's probably easy to
establish 'consent' between two bonobos, but virtually impossible
between two humans, one of whom is bigger and stronger than the other.
--
Regards, John Woodgate, OOO - Own Opinions Only.
The good news is that nothing is compulsory.
The bad news is that everything is prohibited.
http://www.jmwa.demon.co.uk Also see http://www.isce.org.uk

 

[John Larkin]

On Sun, 15 Feb 2004 22:23:53 GMT, "Robert C Monsen"
<rcsurname@comcast.net> wrote:

"John Woodgate" <jmw@jmwa.demon.contraspam.yuk> wrote in message
news:x3npLCClX1LAFwWG@jmwa.demon.co.uk...
I read in sci.electronics.design that Robert C Monsen
rcsurname@comcast.net> wrote (in <Z3GXb.308880$I06.3151962@attbi_s01&gt
about 'OT! OT! Not in Arizona', on Sun, 15 Feb 2004:

The guy is an awful troll. Its his presentation, those awful arrogant
diatribes, I can't stomach.

No, he's not a troll. He does have very strong and highly unconventional
views. But he also knows a lot of electronics.

Really? He seldom if ever discusses it.

Yes, bad choice of words. I apologize to Steve.

There's really no need to apologize to RSW. He is universally obscene,
intolerant, and very, very rude.

John

 

[R. Steve Walz]

John Larkin wrote:

On Fri, 13 Feb 2004 08:00:08 GMT, "R. Steve Walz" <rstevew@armory.com
wrote:

John Larkin wrote:

On Fri, 06 Feb 2004 18:05:57 -0700, Jim Thompson
thegreatone@example.com> wrote:

On Sat, 7 Feb 2004 14:03:23 +1300, "Ken Taylor" <ken@home.nz> wrote:

"Jim Thompson" <thegreatone@example.com> wrote in message
news:r9782056d72okvl09biashp15bdrrmqcf6@4ax.com...
Poor legislators in Massachusetts whining over what their "Supreme"
Court did to them.

In Arizona we'd already have them served with articles of impeachment,
with trial to start on Monday ;-)

...Jim Thompson
--
I've no idea what it's about Jim, but I'll bet it qualifies as "Only in
America"!

Ken


Yep. Massachusetts Supreme Court ruled that it wasn't adequate to
allow gays to have just a Civil Union, it had to be MARRIAGE.

Quite surprising coming out the predominate church/police state.

...Jim Thompson

Uh, excuse me, but why not? I can't see how allowing gays to marry
hurts anyone else, and if it leads to more monogomy, good; that may
keep the drug bills down. Civil union, domestic partners, marriage,
what's the difference? Might as well let them rent tuxes and limos and
wedding dresses, whatever sex they are.

Of course the legal issue is different: the Mass court has
miraculously discovered a constitutional right that 200+ years of
prior jurisprudence somehow casually overlooked.

John
-----------
They did the same with slaves and women.

-Steve

Weren't freeing the slaves and enfranchising women both constitutional
amendments?
------------------

Not at first, nor later.

The courts actually upheld slavery and male-only voting -
as they were properly obliged to do - until the constitution was
changed.
-----------------

That would be news for a number of states where it came much earlier.

Courts uphold law, and the Constitution *is* the law.

John
-------------------

Simpleton!

-Steve
--
-Steve Walz rstevew@armory.com ftp://ftp.armory.com/pub/user/rstevew
Electronics Site!! 1000's of Files and Dirs!! With Schematics Galore!!
http://www.armory.com/~rstevew or http://www.armory.com/~rstevew/Public

 

[R. Steve Walz]

Rich Grise wrote:

When has Walz ever advocated sex with children? Please give actual
citations, thank you.
-----------------------

Actually all I've promoted was children's right to sexual exploration
on THEIR terms, with whomever THEY want, only as long as THEY control
it and can stop any time, doing away with consensual statutory rape
over stupid age lines, for which many teens and young people are now
imprisoned in California and a few other moronic states, and regarding
which abusive nonsense, the 1988 Canadian decision was made to lower
their sexual consent age to 14, and 12 for < 14 y/o partners, and this
surely does NOT represent any support on my part of coerced pedophilic
pederasty which rightist Americans are brainwashed to expect of any
defense of child sexuality in their antisexual sick-bigot Baptist
Sunday schools in these days of patent Ashcroftian PC nonsense.

And just because a person finds that something said by another person
makes sense, doesn't mean they've embraced an entire philosophy.

Look up "Globalization" in "Abnormal Psychology."
Cheers!
Rich
------------------

Absolutely.

-Steve
--
-Steve Walz rstevew@armory.com ftp://ftp.armory.com/pub/user/rstevew
Electronics Site!! 1000's of Files and Dirs!! With Schematics Galore!!
http://www.armory.com/~rstevew or http://www.armory.com/~rstevew/Public

"Jim Thompson" <thegreatone@example.com> wrote:
On 13 Feb 2004 13:21:25 -0800, Winfield Hill
...
Well said, Steve. I think. :&gt
Thanks,
- Win

Win, Does that mean you ascribe to Steve's other viewpoints,
like sex with children? Figures ;-)
...Jim Thompson

 

[R. Steve Walz]

Robert C Monsen wrote:

"Rich Grise" <null@example.net> wrote in message
news:lkDXb.23123$1S1.18294@nwrddc01.gnilink.net...
When has Walz ever advocated sex with children? Please give actual
citations, thank you.


In the message quoted below...

"R. Steve Walz" <rstevew@armory.com> wrote in message
news:<402C931D.919@armory.com>...
[snip]

So experiment with each other and with animals, boys, girls,
siblings, cousins, parents, mailmen, fruit, wood, glass, metal, plastic,
Latex(tm), in fact, ALL the sexes of the Universe!

[snip]

-Steve

The guy is an awful troll. Its his presentation, those awful arrogant
diatribes, I can't stomach.
-----------------

That's only because you're a mis-somatically brainwashed neurotic.

Regards,
Bob Monsen
---------------

-Steve
--
-Steve Walz rstevew@armory.com ftp://ftp.armory.com/pub/user/rstevew
Electronics Site!! 1000's of Files and Dirs!! With Schematics Galore!!
http://www.armory.com/~rstevew or http://www.armory.com/~rstevew/Public

 

[R. Steve Walz]

John Larkin wrote:

On Sun, 15 Feb 2004 22:23:53 GMT, "Robert C Monsen"
rcsurname@comcast.net> wrote:


"John Woodgate" <jmw@jmwa.demon.contraspam.yuk> wrote in message
news:x3npLCClX1LAFwWG@jmwa.demon.co.uk...
I read in sci.electronics.design that Robert C Monsen
rcsurname@comcast.net> wrote (in <Z3GXb.308880$I06.3151962@attbi_s01&gt
about 'OT! OT! Not in Arizona', on Sun, 15 Feb 2004:

The guy is an awful troll. Its his presentation, those awful arrogant
diatribes, I can't stomach.

No, he's not a troll. He does have very strong and highly unconventional
views. But he also knows a lot of electronics.


Really? He seldom if ever discusses it.
--------------

Not on electronics groups, usually.

Yes, bad choice of words. I apologize to Steve.

There's really no need to apologize to RSW. He is universally obscene,
intolerant, and very, very rude.

John
---------------

Thank you! But actually, I've not been declared obscene, too many
localities actually LIKE what I have to say!

-Steve
--
-Steve Walz rstevew@armory.com ftp://ftp.armory.com/pub/user/rstevew
Electronics Site!! 1000's of Files and Dirs!! With Schematics Galore!!
http://www.armory.com/~rstevew or http://www.armory.com/~rstevew/Public

 

[R. Steve Walz]

Jim Thompson wrote:

On 14 Feb 2004 12:05:46 -0800, stratus46@yahoo.com (Glenn Gundlach)
wrote:

"R. Steve Walz" <rstevew@armory.com> wrote in message news:<402C931D.919@armory.com>...
[snip]
So experiment with each other and with animals, boys, girls,
siblings, cousins, parents, mailmen, fruit, wood, glass, metal, plastic,
Latex(tm), in fact, ALL the sexes of the Universe!

We don't have to get pregnant and give birth or die anymore of
weird anomalous side effects we don't understand, and we can fuck
who/whatever we want!!!

So adapt our culture to sexuality, it's our Nature!

-Steve

Fingers in the light socket too long.
GG

And HIV progressing thru the brain.
...Jim Thompson
----------------------

We didn't know you had HIV, Jim!!

You couldn't have gotten it from me!
-Steve
--
-Steve Walz rstevew@armory.com ftp://ftp.armory.com/pub/user/rstevew
Electronics Site!! 1000's of Files and Dirs!! With Schematics Galore!!
http://www.armory.com/~rstevew or http://www.armory.com/~rstevew/Public

 

[R. Steve Walz]

Greg Pierce wrote:

On Sat, 14 Feb 2004 13:09:47 -0700, the highly esteemed Jim Thompson
enlightened us with these pearls of wisdom:

On 14 Feb 2004 12:05:46 -0800, stratus46@yahoo.com (Glenn Gundlach) wrote:

"R. Steve Walz" <rstevew@armory.com> wrote in message
news:<402C931D.919@armory.com>...
[snip]
So experiment with each other and with animals, boys, girls, siblings,
cousins, parents, mailmen, fruit, wood, glass, metal, plastic,
Latex(tm), in fact, ALL the sexes of the Universe!

We don't have to get pregnant and give birth or die anymore of weird
anomalous side effects we don't understand, and we can fuck
who/whatever we want!!!

So adapt our culture to sexuality, it's our Nature!

-Steve

Fingers in the light socket too long. GG

And HIV progressing thru the brain?

...Jim Thompson

I would guess that he quit taking his anti-psychotic medications after
they released him from the hospital. Again...
Greg
-------------------

Why do you rightists try to delude yourselves this way, or try to
spew your mouth-shit to slander, instead of trying to find actual
REASONS to argue with, instead of your mindless 8th grade jerk-off
trash.

-Steve
--
-Steve Walz rstevew@armory.com ftp://ftp.armory.com/pub/user/rstevew
Electronics Site!! 1000's of Files and Dirs!! With Schematics Galore!!
http://www.armory.com/~rstevew or http://www.armory.com/~rstevew/Public

 

[R. Steve Walz]

Rich Grise wrote:

Now, there's a broad sweeping generality. I guess we have a fundamentally
different philosophy of life: I believe that wiping my own ass is my own
responsibility and no one else's. I also happen to be childfree, and
infinitely grateful for that.
-------------------------

You could be childfree and still be sane, but we see you missed that
opportunity.

If I can't figure out a way to provide for my own well-being even if I
get old and feeble, I think it'd be time to put me out to pasture, possibly
with a barrel of vodka to ease my passing. I watched my Mom change my Dad's
diapers for close to two years. If I ever get to where I can't get to
the toilet on my own, I'm calling Dr. K.

But you're R. Steve Walz, and it's the world's responsibility to take
care of your every need, right?
---------------------

No, it's the People's State's responsibility to take care of us
because we have made our fair contribution of labor to our society.

If you don't want diapers then you should be free to lay in shit or
die, but others may not be so neurotic about the toilet.

What you don't get is that there are an absolutely startlingly large
number of people who poop in sacks gummed to their abdomen, or who
wear diapers and do their work for the rest of us in wheelchairs who
still have enough perspective and self-esteem to do a very respectable
amount of work and lead a promising life. And your commentary regarding
your dislike for your children reversing toilet roles on you is merely
demeaning, neurotic, and sounds stupid to all of them.

The rightist fixation on absolute independence from others, especially
people you may purport to love, sounds quite antisocial and insane to
most of us, and you should really have that part of your psyche looked
at, and treated. Your notion is against the natural order that is
actually supposed to teach you new things about yourself that obviously
you don't want to learn!

-Steve
--
-Steve Walz rstevew@armory.com ftp://ftp.armory.com/pub/user/rstevew
Electronics Site!! 1000's of Files and Dirs!! With Schematics Galore!!
http://www.armory.com/~rstevew or http://www.armory.com/~rstevew/Public

"R. Steve Walz" <rstevew@armory.com> wrote in message
news:402C8A4C.2383@armory.com...
Rich Grise wrote:

Nope, singles need to pay for their access to OUR young who will
be employed and prevented from other work because they are stuck
caring for THEM in their old age and infirmity, whether it be
them needing someone young and vigorous to do the heavy lifting
or to learn new things, or wipe their ass for them.

 

[Greg Pierce]

On Mon, 16 Feb 2004 00:57:45 +0000, the highly esteemed R. Steve Walz
enlightened us with these pearls of wisdom:

Greg Pierce wrote:

On Sat, 14 Feb 2004 13:09:47 -0700, the highly esteemed Jim Thompson
enlightened us with these pearls of wisdom:

On 14 Feb 2004 12:05:46 -0800, stratus46@yahoo.com (Glenn Gundlach)
wrote:

"R. Steve Walz" <rstevew@armory.com> wrote in message
news:<402C931D.919@armory.com>...
[snip]
So experiment with each other and with animals, boys, girls,
siblings, cousins, parents, mailmen, fruit, wood, glass, metal,
plastic, Latex(tm), in fact, ALL the sexes of the Universe!

We don't have to get pregnant and give birth or die anymore of weird
anomalous side effects we don't understand, and we can fuck
who/whatever we want!!!

So adapt our culture to sexuality, it's our Nature!

-Steve

Fingers in the light socket too long. GG

And HIV progressing thru the brain?

...Jim Thompson

I would guess that he quit taking his anti-psychotic medications after
they released him from the hospital. Again... Greg
-------------------
Why do you rightists try to delude yourselves this way, or try to spew
your mouth-shit to slander, instead of trying to find actual REASONS to
argue with, instead of your mindless 8th grade jerk-off trash.

-Steve

I'm not arguing anything, and if I were I wouldn't waste my time debating
with you. What I WAS doing was stating my opinion that you are a worthless
deluded, perverted wackjob.

BTW, I don't give a shit what you think. Choke on it.

......................./´Ż/)
.....................,/Ż../
..................../..../
............../´Ż/'...'/´ŻŻ`ˇ¸
.........../'/.../..../......./¨Ż\
.........('(...´...´.... Ż~/'...')
..........\.................'...../
...........''...\.......... _.ˇ´
.............\..............(
...............\.............\...

--
Greg

--The software said it requires Win2000 or better, so I installed Linux.

 

[Rich Grise]

I think the primiary difference here is coercion. Handicapped people and
people with colostomies, and, yes, even people who can't help pooping
their pants, are more than welcome to have anyone take care of them that
they want to, as long as the caretaker is doing so voluntarily. I seem
to hear you advocating coercing people who have better things to do into
taking care of people who _won't_ take care of themselves.

"People's State's responsibility"? Shudder.

Good Luck,
Rich

"R. Steve Walz" <rstevew@armory.com> wrote in message
news:403018D1.4273@armory.com...

Rich Grise wrote:

Now, there's a broad sweeping generality. I guess we have a
fundamentally
different philosophy of life: I believe that wiping my own ass is my own
responsibility and no one else's. I also happen to be childfree, and
infinitely grateful for that.
-------------------------
You could be childfree and still be sane, but we see you missed that
opportunity.


If I can't figure out a way to provide for my own well-being even if I
get old and feeble, I think it'd be time to put me out to pasture,
possibly
with a barrel of vodka to ease my passing. I watched my Mom change my
Dad's
diapers for close to two years. If I ever get to where I can't get to
the toilet on my own, I'm calling Dr. K.

But you're R. Steve Walz, and it's the world's responsibility to take
care of your every need, right?
---------------------
No, it's the People's State's responsibility to take care of us
because we have made our fair contribution of labor to our society.

If you don't want diapers then you should be free to lay in shit or
die, but others may not be so neurotic about the toilet.

What you don't get is that there are an absolutely startlingly large
number of people who poop in sacks gummed to their abdomen, or who
wear diapers and do their work for the rest of us in wheelchairs who
still have enough perspective and self-esteem to do a very respectable
amount of work and lead a promising life. And your commentary regarding
your dislike for your children reversing toilet roles on you is merely
demeaning, neurotic, and sounds stupid to all of them.

The rightist fixation on absolute independence from others, especially
people you may purport to love, sounds quite antisocial and insane to
most of us, and you should really have that part of your psyche looked
at, and treated. Your notion is against the natural order that is
actually supposed to teach you new things about yourself that obviously
you don't want to learn!

-Steve
--
-Steve Walz rstevew@armory.com ftp://ftp.armory.com/pub/user/rstevew
Electronics Site!! 1000's of Files and Dirs!! With Schematics Galore!!
http://www.armory.com/~rstevew or http://www.armory.com/~rstevew/Public


"R. Steve Walz" <rstevew@armory.com> wrote in message
news:402C8A4C.2383@armory.com...
Rich Grise wrote:

Nope, singles need to pay for their access to OUR young who will
be employed and prevented from other work because they are stuck
caring for THEM in their old age and infirmity, whether it be
them needing someone young and vigorous to do the heavy lifting
or to learn new things, or wipe their ass for them.

 

[John Larkin]

On Mon, 16 Feb 2004 00:35:56 GMT, "R. Steve Walz" <rstevew@armory.com>
wrote:

The courts actually upheld slavery and male-only voting -
as they were properly obliged to do - until the constitution was
changed.
-----------------
That would be news for a number of states where it came much earlier.

When the USA was formed, the great compromise was to allow slavery to
be a state option. The US Supreme Court respected this arrangement -
even requiring runaway slaves to be returned to their 'owners' -
until the federal Constitution was amended to make slavery illegal in
all states.

Courts uphold law, and the Constitution *is* the law.

John
-------------------
Simpleton!

Yes, it is simple. If it were done any other way, law would be
meaningless, and useless.

Tomorrow the California courts will face the interesting question -
forced by Gavin Newsom, our new mayor - as to whether the state
Constitution's requirement for equal treatment trumps
non-constitutional laws that allow only heterosexual marriage. Should
be interesting.

John

 

[R. Steve Walz]

Greg Pierce wrote:

On Mon, 16 Feb 2004 00:57:45 +0000, the highly esteemed R. Steve Walz
enlightened us with these pearls of wisdom:

Why do you rightists try to delude yourselves this way, or try
to spew your mouth-shit to slander, instead of trying to find
actual REASONS to argue with, instead of your mindless 8th
grade jerk-off trash.

-Steve

I'm not arguing anything,
---------------

We can tell!

and if I were I wouldn't waste my time debating with you.
--------------

You couldn't, you're unable.

What I WAS doing was stating my opinion that you are a
worthless deluded, perverted wackjob.
-----------------

Which is entirely unsupportable, as you actually well know.
You just don't like getting your notions smashed effectively
at every turn in a real argument.

-Steve
--
-Steve Walz rstevew@armory.com ftp://ftp.armory.com/pub/user/rstevew
Electronics Site!! 1000's of Files and Dirs!! With Schematics Galore!!
http://www.armory.com/~rstevew or http://www.armory.com/~rstevew/Public

 

[R. Steve Walz]

Rich Grise wrote:

I think the primiary difference here is coercion. Handicapped people and
people with colostomies, and, yes, even people who can't help pooping
their pants, are more than welcome to have anyone take care of them that
they want to, as long as the caretaker is doing so voluntarily.
--------------------------

Work to be done needs doing. We starve people all the time for not
taking jobs that are available and need doing, it's called what
happens when the unemployment runs out and they have to take work.

I seem
to hear you advocating coercing people who have better things to do into
taking care of people who _won't_ take care of themselves.
---------------------------

And YOU seem to be hallucinating!! You're remembering what you'd
PREFER you heard to make me more easily dismissed, rather than
anything I've actually said! I have told you that I want those
who refuse to work STARVED TO DEATH if need be. I said it here
in this thread if you check it, so why do you slander me??

"People's State's responsibility"? Shudder.
Good Luck,
Rich
------------------------

You're even manufacturing this, look up, Moron.

-Steve
--
-Steve Walz rstevew@armory.com ftp://ftp.armory.com/pub/user/rstevew
Electronics Site!! 1000's of Files and Dirs!! With Schematics Galore!!
http://www.armory.com/~rstevew or http://www.armory.com/~rstevew/Public

"R. Steve Walz" <rstevew@armory.com> wrote in message
You could be childfree and still be sane, but we see you missed that
opportunity.

No, it's the People's State's responsibility to take care of us
because we have made our fair contribution of labor to our society.

If you don't want diapers then you should be free to lay in shit or
die, but others may not be so neurotic about the toilet.

What you don't get is that there are an absolutely startlingly large
number of people who poop in sacks gummed to their abdomen, or who
wear diapers and do their work for the rest of us in wheelchairs who
still have enough perspective and self-esteem to do a very respectable
amount of work and lead a promising life. And your commentary regarding
your dislike for your children reversing toilet roles on you is merely
demeaning, neurotic, and sounds stupid to all of them.

The rightist fixation on absolute independence from others, especially
people you may purport to love, sounds quite antisocial and insane to
most of us, and you should really have that part of your psyche looked
at, and treated. Your notion is against the natural order that is
actually supposed to teach you new things about yourself that obviously
you don't want to learn!

Nope, singles need to pay for their access to OUR young who will
be employed and prevented from other work because they are stuck
caring for THEM in their old age and infirmity, whether it be
them needing someone young and vigorous to do the heavy lifting
or to learn new things, or wipe their ass for them.

 

[R. Steve Walz]

John Larkin wrote:

On Mon, 16 Feb 2004 00:35:56 GMT, "R. Steve Walz" <rstevew@armory.com
wrote:

The courts actually upheld slavery and male-only voting -
as they were properly obliged to do - until the constitution was
changed.
-----------------
That would be news for a number of states where it came much earlier.

When the USA was formed, the great compromise was to allow slavery to
be a state option. The US Supreme Court respected this arrangement -
even requiring runaway slaves to be returned to their 'owners' -
until the federal Constitution was amended to make slavery illegal in
all states.
-----------------------------

We know that. But that's history, not divine ordinance.
Much later they found perfectly "legal" 'separate but equal' to be
UN-equal!

Courts uphold law, and the Constitution *is* the law.

John
-------------------
Simpleton!

Yes, it is simple. If it were done any other way, law would be
meaningless, and useless.
------------------------------

Nope, the Courts INTERPRET the law, which includes invalidating
law whenever something extraneous contradicts the body or principle
of law.

Tomorrow the California courts will face the interesting question -
forced by Gavin Newsom, our new mayor - as to whether the state
Constitution's requirement for equal treatment trumps
non-constitutional laws that allow only heterosexual marriage. Should
be interesting.

John
-----------------------------

It's merely a token, but it is this kind of public presentation that
blows the old stale wind aside, and will be seen later as the knock
upon the door just before it opens!

-Steve
--
-Steve Walz rstevew@armory.com ftp://ftp.armory.com/pub/user/rstevew
Electronics Site!! 1000's of Files and Dirs!! With Schematics Galore!!
http://www.armory.com/~rstevew or http://www.armory.com/~rstevew/Public

 

[R. Steve Walz]

John Woodgate wrote:

I read in sci.electronics.design that Frank Bemelman
fbemelx@euronet.invalid.nl> wrote (in <40250123$0$38554$abc4f4c3@news.w
anadoo.nl&gt about 'OT! OT! Not in Arizona', on Sat, 7 Feb 2004:

I don't think everbody would obey such new laws. I know at least 2 that
wouldn't

It would be a capital offence, of course. Checkmate.
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Regards, John Woodgate, OOO - Own Opinions Only.
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Why in the world would people think that gays would want to make
heterosex illegal? They have nothing against heterosex!!

-Steve
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[John Woodgate]

I read in sci.electronics.design that R. Steve Walz <rstevew@armory.com>
wrote (in <40317873.60B8@armory.com&gt about 'OT! OT! Not in Arizona', on
Tue, 17 Feb 2004:

John Woodgate wrote:

I read in sci.electronics.design that Frank Bemelman
fbemelx@euronet.invalid.nl> wrote (in <40250123$0$38554$abc4f4c3@news.w
anadoo.nl&gt about 'OT! OT! Not in Arizona', on Sat, 7 Feb 2004:

I don't think everbody would obey such new laws. I know at least 2 that
wouldn't

It would be a capital offence, of course. Checkmate.
--
Regards, John Woodgate, OOO - Own Opinions Only.
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Why in the world would people think that gays would want to make
heterosex illegal? They have nothing against heterosex!!

It was a joke, Steve. It was about gays having the ultimate WMD, in that
by making heterosex illegal, with the death penalty, they would force
humanity into extinction in about 120 years.
--
Regards, John Woodgate, OOO - Own Opinions Only.
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