OT: If Ukraine and Russia make peace, who keeps the Russian occupied land?...

On 9/13/23 22:24, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
On 14/09/2023 06:22, rbowman wrote:
On Wed, 13 Sep 2023 21:03:58 -0700, T wrote:

You have enemies?  Good.  That means you\'ve stood up for something,
sometime in your life.
-- Winston Churchill

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=63Tk9QxvZHo


Oh gawd, another whiny lefty \'protest\' song...

He was pulling my chair. He is allowed.



 
On Wed, 13 Sep 2023 19:19:23 -0700, T <T@invalid.invalid> wrote:

We were trying to support Briton clandestinely

Keep in mind that just like in Briton, the

both USA and Briton start arming for war.

So, we had to support Briton clandestinely,

Interesting how Briton murdered our prisoners.

I have to know, who the f*** is this Briton of which you speak? Is it one
specific Briton, or is it all of them, or what? Was he ever caught and punished
for murdering our prisoners?
 
On 14 Sep 2023 05:51:13 GMT, lowbrowwoman, the endlessly driveling,
troll-feeding, senile idiot, blabbered again:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/America_First_Committee

The America First Committee cut across many lines but it was not

Keep your sick senile shit out of these ngs, you pathological bigmouthed
Trumptard!

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had been severed from Germany proper by the Danzig Corridor.\"
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On 14 Sep 2023 05:22:46 GMT, lowbrowwoman, the endlessly driveling,
troll-feeding, senile idiot, blabbered again:


> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=63Tk9QxvZHo

What\'s it about, bigmouth? Come on, tell us in your known inimitable
grandlioquent, verbose and always self-admiring manner! I know you want to
do it! LOL

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\"My mother sometimes made a cherry chiffon cake that started with a
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cake.\"
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On 9/14/23 00:32, brandon wrote:
On Wed, 13 Sep 2023 19:19:23 -0700, T <T@invalid.invalid> wrote:

We were trying to support Briton clandestinely

Keep in mind that just like in Briton, the

both USA and Briton start arming for war.

So, we had to support Briton clandestinely,

Interesting how Briton murdered our prisoners.

I have to know, who the f*** is this Briton of which you speak? Is it one
specific Briton, or is it all of them, or what? Was he ever caught and punished
for murdering our prisoners?

It is our revolutionary war. There is lots of
documentation on it. Try Google and Youtube
 
On Thursday, September 14, 2023 at 4:28:52 PM UTC+10, T wrote:
On 9/13/23 22:51, rbowman wrote:
The America First Committee cut across many lines but it was not
protecting the socialist international. The CPUSA took their marching
orders from Moscow; they were anti-interventionist when Molotov-Ribbentrop
Pact was in effect and suffered severe whiplash when Germany started
Operation Barbarossa and they had to do a 180.
I was commenting on there being two different
reasons. One was Leftists in love with Leftists.
This was my remark about the Left Wing Nazis
being the darlings of Socialist International.

This is lunatic. The Nazis might have been National Socialists, but they were never left wing and were in fact violently anti-communist.

> The Left battled tooth and nail to stop rearmament.

That didn\'t have anything to do with people who were the presumed targets of the re-armament.

> What? A fellow Marxist being war mongers? NEVER!

Nobody ever called Hitler a Marxist.

> And the Soviets worked with the Nazis to conquer Poland. The Soviets (also Leftist Marxists) got a taste of their own medicine with Barbarossa.

True, and the USSR did take Karl Marx seriously. The International Socialist movement had thrown him out in 1871, regarding his enthusiasm for the lead role of (what became) the Communist Party as likely to lead to a totalitarian government.

\"vest the most ardent revolutionary absolute power, and within a year he will be worse than the Tsar himself\" was a prophetic statement made at the time by Mikhail Bakunin.

> What? A fellow Leftist break a treaty! NEVER!

Hilter was never anybody\'s fellow leftist.

And there were also the isolationists that wanted to
just stay out of it. They also delayed rearmament.
Roosevelt did a lot of clandestine stuff to try
to get around both of them.

Poland, Perl Harbor, Barbarossa tipped the scales.

--
Bill Sloman, Sydney
 
On Wed, 13 Sep 2023 23:30:29 -0700, T(wat), the idiotic trolling and
troll-feeding senile asshole, babbled again:


He was pulling my chair. He is allowed.

Yeah, your shared intense love of the Orange Clown outweighs all
discrepancies between you two nutters! LMAO
 
On Thursday, September 14, 2023 at 5:58:01 PM UTC+10, T wrote:
On 9/14/23 00:32, brandon wrote:
On Wed, 13 Sep 2023 19:19:23 -0700, T <T...@invalid.invalid> wrote:

We were trying to support Briton clandestinely

He probably means Britain.

Keep in mind that just like in Britain, the both USA and Britain start arming for war.

So, we had to support Britain clandestinely,

Interesting how Britain murdered our prisoners.

Really? I can\'t think of any examples.

I have to know, who the f*** is this Britain of which you speak? Is it one specific Briton, or is it all of them, or what? Was he ever caught and punished for murdering our prisoners?

It is our revolutionary war. There is lots of documentation on it. Try Google and Youtube

Both of which will probably spell Britain correctly so T might learn something. I wouldn\'t bet on it.

--
Bill Sloman, Sydney
 
On 14/09/2023 08:57, T wrote:
On 9/14/23 00:32, brandon wrote:
On Wed, 13 Sep 2023 19:19:23 -0700, T <T@invalid.invalid> wrote:

We were trying to support Briton clandestinely

Keep in mind that just like in Briton, the

both USA and Briton start arming for war.

So, we had to support Briton clandestinely,

Interesting how Briton murdered our prisoners.

I have to know, who the f*** is this Briton of which you speak? Is it one
specific Briton, or is it all of them, or what? Was he ever caught and
punished
for murdering our prisoners?


It is our revolutionary war.  There is lots of
documentation on it.  Try Google and Youtube

I think he was more alluding to the fact that you misspell Britain as
Briton
 
On 2023-09-14, soup <invalid@invalid.com> wrote:
On 14/09/2023 08:57, T wrote:
On 9/14/23 00:32, brandon wrote:
On Wed, 13 Sep 2023 19:19:23 -0700, T <T@invalid.invalid> wrote:

We were trying to support Briton clandestinely

Keep in mind that just like in Briton, the

both USA and Briton start arming for war.

So, we had to support Briton clandestinely,

Interesting how Briton murdered our prisoners.

I have to know, who the f*** is this Briton of which you speak? Is it one
specific Briton, or is it all of them, or what? Was he ever caught and
punished
for murdering our prisoners?


It is our revolutionary war.  There is lots of
documentation on it.  Try Google and Youtube

I think he was more alluding to the fact that you misspell Britain as
Briton

If spelling errors were the worst of T\'s transgressions, he
wouldn\'t be in my killfile.

If brandon weren\'t a very poorly programmed AI, he\'d have the
intuition to know what T meant, and the judgment to refrain from
correcting his spelling.

--
Cindy Hamilton
 
In alt.home.repair, on Thu, 14 Sep 2023 05:38:22 +0100, The Natural
Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote:

On 13/09/2023 22:15, micky wrote:
In alt.home.repair, on Wed, 13 Sep 2023 17:41:03 GMT, Cindy Hamilton
hamilton@invalid.com> wrote:

On 2023-09-13, John Larkin <jjlarkin@highlandtechnology.com
wrote:
On Wed, 13 Sep 2023 10:07:51 GMT, Cindy Hamilton
hamilton@invalid.com> wrote:

On 2023-09-12, rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote:
On Tue, 12 Sep 2023 23:38:13 +0100, SteveW wrote:

On 12/09/2023 02:00, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Mon, 11 Sep 2023 12:47:49 +0100, Xeno
xenolith@optusnet.com.au> wrote:

On 11/9/2023 6:44 am, Commander Kinsey wrote:
If Ukraine and Russia make peace, who keeps the
Russian occupied land?

Ukraine will be unlikely to agree to any peace deal
whilst ever any of Ukraine territory remains occupied
by Russia and that includes territory illegally
annexed in 2014.

Ukraine used to be the USSR, they\'re just taking it
back.

Russia does not equal USSR.

Okay, the Russian Empire is taking it back... Maybe Poland
would like their part back too. The Ukraine has a very
limited history as an actual country.

So did the U.S. at one point.

At least the States joined by popular vote.

The behavior of Ukrainian citizens strongly suggests that they
favor independence.

For example, even in the part of the country, the darnbach (sp?)

Donbas.

in the east, where Russian was the most used language, since the
Russian attack they have changed to speaking Ukrainian.

Well that\'s as sensible as learning to speak Welsh in Abergavenny, if
you don\'t want your house burnt down... I don\'t suppose anyone spoke
German in the UK in WW2.

So I wouldn\'t put much store by that...They will be speaking Russian in
occupied territory and Ukrainian in the rest. Its a simple matter of health.

That\'s possible but neither of us are there to talk to those who
changed. It\'s also possible they\'re disgusted with the Russians and
anything Russian, and that\'s the way the news story portrayed it. Or
they want to *show* solidarity with other Ukrainians with whom they
actually feel solidarity, sort of like putting up a yard sign for an
election candidate.

Yes, in recaptured areas, dealing with a Russian army that has been
vicious to civilians, it would be best to switch back to Russian. When
the war is over, we may learn what language is spoken.
 
On 14/09/2023 14:46, micky wrote:
In alt.home.repair, on Thu, 14 Sep 2023 05:38:22 +0100, The Natural
Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote:

On 13/09/2023 22:15, micky wrote:
In alt.home.repair, on Wed, 13 Sep 2023 17:41:03 GMT, Cindy Hamilton
hamilton@invalid.com> wrote:

On 2023-09-13, John Larkin <jjlarkin@highlandtechnology.com
wrote:
On Wed, 13 Sep 2023 10:07:51 GMT, Cindy Hamilton
hamilton@invalid.com> wrote:

On 2023-09-12, rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote:
On Tue, 12 Sep 2023 23:38:13 +0100, SteveW wrote:

On 12/09/2023 02:00, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Mon, 11 Sep 2023 12:47:49 +0100, Xeno
xenolith@optusnet.com.au> wrote:

On 11/9/2023 6:44 am, Commander Kinsey wrote:
If Ukraine and Russia make peace, who keeps the
Russian occupied land?

Ukraine will be unlikely to agree to any peace deal
whilst ever any of Ukraine territory remains occupied
by Russia and that includes territory illegally
annexed in 2014.

Ukraine used to be the USSR, they\'re just taking it
back.

Russia does not equal USSR.

Okay, the Russian Empire is taking it back... Maybe Poland
would like their part back too. The Ukraine has a very
limited history as an actual country.

So did the U.S. at one point.

At least the States joined by popular vote.

The behavior of Ukrainian citizens strongly suggests that they
favor independence.

For example, even in the part of the country, the darnbach (sp?)

Donbas.

in the east, where Russian was the most used language, since the
Russian attack they have changed to speaking Ukrainian.

Well that\'s as sensible as learning to speak Welsh in Abergavenny, if
you don\'t want your house burnt down... I don\'t suppose anyone spoke
German in the UK in WW2.

So I wouldn\'t put much store by that...They will be speaking Russian in
occupied territory and Ukrainian in the rest. Its a simple matter of health.

That\'s possible but neither of us are there to talk to those who
changed. It\'s also possible they\'re disgusted with the Russians and
anything Russian, and that\'s the way the news story portrayed it. Or
they want to *show* solidarity with other Ukrainians with whom they
actually feel solidarity, sort of like putting up a yard sign for an
election candidate.

Yes, in recaptured areas, dealing with a Russian army that has been
vicious to civilians, it would be best to switch back to Russian. When
the war is over, we may learn what language is spoken.

I think as with many things political, there are those who feel strongly
one way, those that feel strongly another way and those, that like a
French Café proprietor I spoke to pre brexit, say \'we put in the Left.
More taxes. We put in the right,. More taxes.\'

However Russia has not, by most accounts, being going out of its way to
win hearts and minds in the occupied territory. The hugs and tears from
\'liberated\' residents in Kherson and Luhansk did not look staged, to me.



--
The biggest threat to humanity comes from socialism, which has utterly
diverted our attention away from what really matters to our existential
survival, to indulging in navel gazing and faux moral investigations
into what the world ought to be, whilst we fail utterly to deal with
what it actually is.
 
On Friday, September 15, 2023 at 1:12:38 AM UTC+10, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
On 14/09/2023 14:46, micky wrote:
In alt.home.repair, on Thu, 14 Sep 2023 05:38:22 +0100, The Natural
Philosopher <t...@invalid.invalid> wrote:

On 13/09/2023 22:15, micky wrote:
In alt.home.repair, on Wed, 13 Sep 2023 17:41:03 GMT, Cindy Hamilton
hami...@invalid.com> wrote:

On 2023-09-13, John Larkin <jjla...@highlandtechnology.com
wrote:
On Wed, 13 Sep 2023 10:07:51 GMT, Cindy Hamilton
hami...@invalid.com> wrote:

On 2023-09-12, rbowman <bow...@montana.com> wrote:
On Tue, 12 Sep 2023 23:38:13 +0100, SteveW wrote:

On 12/09/2023 02:00, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Mon, 11 Sep 2023 12:47:49 +0100, Xeno
xeno...@optusnet.com.au> wrote:

On 11/9/2023 6:44 am, Commander Kinsey wrote:
If Ukraine and Russia make peace, who keeps the
Russian occupied land?

Ukraine will be unlikely to agree to any peace deal
whilst ever any of Ukraine territory remains occupied
by Russia and that includes territory illegally
annexed in 2014.

Ukraine used to be the USSR, they\'re just taking it
back.

Russia does not equal USSR.

Okay, the Russian Empire is taking it back... Maybe Poland
would like their part back too. The Ukraine has a very
limited history as an actual country.

So did the U.S. at one point.

At least the States joined by popular vote.

The behavior of Ukrainian citizens strongly suggests that they
favor independence.

For example, even in the part of the country, the darnbach (sp?)

Donbas.

in the east, where Russian was the most used language, since the
Russian attack they have changed to speaking Ukrainian.

Well that\'s as sensible as learning to speak Welsh in Abergavenny, if
you don\'t want your house burnt down... I don\'t suppose anyone spoke
German in the UK in WW2.

So I wouldn\'t put much store by that...They will be speaking Russian in
occupied territory and Ukrainian in the rest. Its a simple matter of health.

That\'s possible but neither of us are there to talk to those who
changed. It\'s also possible they\'re disgusted with the Russians and
anything Russian, and that\'s the way the news story portrayed it. Or
they want to *show* solidarity with other Ukrainians with whom they
actually feel solidarity, sort of like putting up a yard sign for an
election candidate.

Yes, in recaptured areas, dealing with a Russian army that has been
vicious to civilians, it would be best to switch back to Russian. When
the war is over, we may learn what language is spoken.
I think as with many things political, there are those who feel strongly
one way, those that feel strongly another way and those, that like a
French Café proprietor I spoke to pre brexit, say \'we put in the Left.
More taxes. We put in the right,. More taxes.\'

However Russia has not, by most accounts, being going out of its way to
win hearts and minds in the occupied territory. The hugs and tears from
\'liberated\' residents in Kherson and Luhansk did not look staged, to me.

--
The biggest threat to humanity comes from socialism, which has utterly diverted our attention away from what really matters to our existential survival, to indulging in navel gazing and faux moral investigations into what the world ought to be, whilst we fail utterly to deal with what it actually is.

The anti-socialist right prefers not to think about how the world might be improved, because they have a shrewd idea that a better world wouldn\'t be all that much better for them.
\"I\'m all right Jack\" and the rest of the world can go to hell. It\'s an essentially anti-intellectual attitude, and reflects the fact that the people who adopt it can\'t think very well, and don\'t want to admit that other people can think better than they can.

--
Bill Sloman, Sydney
 
On Friday, September 15, 2023 at 1:20:50 AM UTC+10, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
On 14/09/2023 14:50, micky wrote:
In alt.home.repair, on Thu, 14 Sep 2023 05:34:26 +0100, The Natural Philosopher <t...@invalid.invalid> wrote:
On 13/09/2023 19:55, Fredxx wrote:
On 13/09/2023 19:41, Bob F wrote:
On 9/13/2023 10:41 AM, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
On 2023-09-13, John Larkin <jjla...@highlandtechnology.com> wrote:
On Wed, 13 Sep 2023 10:07:51 GMT, Cindy Hamilton <hami...@invalid..com> wrote:
On 2023-09-12, rbowman <bow...@montana.com> wrote:
On Tue, 12 Sep 2023 23:38:13 +0100, SteveW wrote:
On 12/09/2023 02:00, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Mon, 11 Sep 2023 12:47:49 +0100, Xeno <xeno...@optusnet.com..au> wrote:
On 11/9/2023 6:44 am, Commander Kinsey wrote:

<snip>

\"there are two sorts of people in this world: Those that think the government is there to help, and those that think\"

I personally think the less government there is, the better a place it is to live.

This is the Big Myth that the US business community has been spreading since the 1930\'s

https://www.bloomsbury.com/au/big-myth-9781635573572/

It was largely directed at Americans, but Margaret Thatcher bought in on their line of nonsense in the 1980\'s and right-wing half-wits in the UK have been echoing it ever since.

Basically the US business community doesn\'t want the government to do it\'s proper job of regulating commerce because they can make more money if they cheat their customers.

--
Bill Sloman, Sydney
 
On Sunday, September 10, 2023 at 3:44:36 PM UTC-5, Commander Kinsey wrote:
> If Ukraine and Russia make peace, who keeps the Russian occupied land?

I do.
 
On 2023-09-11, Custos Custodum <me@privacy.net> wrote:
On Mon, 11 Sep 2023 14:16:40 +0100, The Natural Philosopher
tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote:

On 11/09/2023 14:11, Custos Custodum wrote:
\"Zelenskyy\" isn\'t technically correct but there isn\'t really
any other way to show it. I\'m not sure that German has managed any
better.

Zelenskyi?

It\'s a possibility. However, in RP English the letter \"i\" is rarely if
ever pronounced as \"ee\". (Bracing myself for a flood of
counterexamples.)

\"ski\"

English doen\'t have pronunciation rules, none that can be relkiea upon
anyway.

>--
Jasen.
🇺🇦 Слава Україні
 
On Monday, September 18, 2023 at 6:00:51 PM UTC+10, Jasen Betts wrote:
On 2023-09-11, Custos Custodum <m...@privacy.net> wrote:
On Mon, 11 Sep 2023 14:16:40 +0100, The Natural Philosopher
t...@invalid.invalid> wrote:

On 11/09/2023 14:11, Custos Custodum wrote:
\"Zelenskyy\" isn\'t technically correct but there isn\'t really
any other way to show it. I\'m not sure that German has managed any
better.

Zelenskyi?

It\'s a possibility. However, in RP English the letter \"i\" is rarely if
ever pronounced as \"ee\". (Bracing myself for a flood of
counterexamples.)

\"ski\"

English doesn\'t have pronunciation rules, none that can be relied upon anyway.

Actually it has about six different sets of pronunciation rules - depending which language the Englsih word came from originally. they are internally consistent, but knowing which one to apply requires a lot fo background information, which you can get from an etymological dictionary, if you can afford one and have the shelf space to accommodate it.

Our house has them for Dutch, German and English.

--
Bill Sloman, Sydney
 
On Mon, 18 Sep 2023 01:45:00 -0700, T wrote:

On 9/14/23 05:32, soup wrote:

 I think he was more alluding to the fact that you misspell Britain
 as
Briton


I always goof those two up.

:-(

The Britons moved to France when the Anglo-Saxons showed up :) And Wales,
of course. If you see an unpronounceable word with too many consonants
you\'re dealing with a Briton.
 
On 18 Sep 2023 16:28:45 GMT, lowbrowwoman, the endlessly driveling,
troll-feeding, senile idiot, blabbered again:


The Britons moved to France when the Anglo-Saxons showed up :) And Wales,
of course. If you see an unpronounceable word with too many consonants
you\'re dealing with a Briton.

If you see a bigmouthed grandiloquent wordy braggart, you know you are
dealing with lowbrowwoman, alt.home.repair\'s resident senile gossip!

--
Gossiping \"lowbrowwoman\" about herself:
\"Usenet is my blog... I don\'t give a damn if anyone ever reads my posts
but they are useful in marshaling [sic] my thoughts.\"
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