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Prior to 2014
the Ukraine was the poorest and most corrupt nation in Europe by all
accounts.
On Tue, 12 Sep 2023 23:38:13 +0100, SteveW wrote:
On 12/09/2023 02:00, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Mon, 11 Sep 2023 12:47:49 +0100, Xeno <xenolith@optusnet.com.au
wrote:
On 11/9/2023 6:44 am, Commander Kinsey wrote:
If Ukraine and Russia make peace, who keeps the Russian occupied
land?
Ukraine will be unlikely to agree to any peace deal whilst ever any of
Ukraine territory remains occupied by Russia and that includes
territory illegally annexed in 2014.
Ukraine used to be the USSR, they\'re just taking it back.
Russia does not equal USSR.
Okay, the Russian Empire is taking it back... Maybe Poland would like
their part back too. The Ukraine has a very limited history as an actual
country.
On Sun, 10 Sep 2023 14:23:47 -0700, T <T...@invalid.invalid> wrote:
On 9/10/23 13:44, Commander Kinsey wrote:
If Ukraine and Russia make peace, who keeps the Russian occupied land?
Who do you think? Why is it that this kind
of propaganda is now being pushed? And
why are you assisting the propaganda?
What propaganda is that? Even Henry Kissinger said there\'d have to be
some Ukraine territory given up for a peace deal and he said it some
time ago, too.
On Mon, 11 Sep 2023 22:10:54 -0700 (PDT), Anthony William Sloman
bill....@ieee.org> wrote:
On Tuesday, September 12, 2023 at 11:03:45?AM UTC+10, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Mon, 11 Sep 2023 12:47:49 +0100, Xeno <xeno...@optusnet.com.au> wrote:
On 11/9/2023 6:44 am, Commander Kinsey wrote:
If Ukraine and Russia make peace, who keeps the Russian occupied land?
Ukraine will be unlikely to agree to any peace deal whilst ever any of
Ukraine territory remains occupied by Russia and that includes territory
illegally annexed in 2014.
Ukraine used to be the USSR, they\'re just taking it back.
Both Russia and the Ukraine used to be part of the USSR. When that fell apart they both became independent countries. Putin is trying to pretend that Russian can take back areas that used to be part of the pre-1917 Russian Empire. Britain might try to take back the eastern seaboard America on the same basis. It\'s a dubious claim.
What\'s dubious about it? Israel was created in 1948 out of land seized
from Palestine and everyone recognises Israel as a legitimate state!
(all the important countries, anyway).
On 12/09/2023 13:46, Cursitor Doom wrote:
On Tue, 12 Sep 2023 02:00:45 +0100, \"Commander Kinsey\"
CK1@nospam.com> wrote:
On Mon, 11 Sep 2023 12:47:49 +0100, Xeno <xenolith@optusnet.com.au
wrote:
On 11/9/2023 6:44 am, Commander Kinsey wrote:
If Ukraine and Russia make peace, who keeps the Russian occupied land?
Ukraine will be unlikely to agree to any peace deal whilst ever any of
Ukraine territory remains occupied by Russia and that includes
territory
illegally annexed in 2014.
Ukraine used to be the USSR, they\'re just taking it back.
Russia doesn\'t want all of it. They only want to annexe some Eastern
areas of the shit-hole where ethnic Russians were being killed by
Ukrainian neo-Nazis and the clown that runs the country was doing
nothing to stop them. Why are we supporting neo-Nazis?
Russia wants all of it. Especially the eastern bits where they killed
their own citizens to fake an excuse to take it, because it has all the
oil coal and gas. And they want all the grain, and they want the black
sea ports as well.
Anyone who actually believes there was \'ethnic conflict\' is a moron.
I cannot understanbd people who dont trust their own government actually
trusting a single thing the Russian state says.
On Tue, 12 Sep 2023 23:38:13 +0100, SteveW wrote:
On 12/09/2023 02:00, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Mon, 11 Sep 2023 12:47:49 +0100, Xeno <xenolith@optusnet.com.au
wrote:
On 11/9/2023 6:44 am, Commander Kinsey wrote:
If Ukraine and Russia make peace, who keeps the Russian occupied
land?
Ukraine will be unlikely to agree to any peace deal whilst ever any of
Ukraine territory remains occupied by Russia and that includes
territory illegally annexed in 2014.
Ukraine used to be the USSR, they\'re just taking it back.
Russia does not equal USSR.
Okay, the Russian Empire is taking it back... Maybe Poland would like
their part back too. The Ukraine has a very limited history as an actual
country.
The vast majority, 96%, were lost after you joined the war. At least
some of the 344 who died before 1942 were probably serving on British
ships.
On 12/09/2023 08:06, T wrote:
The bloodshed would not stop.
True it would not stop immediately but it would cease a LOT quicker
than this endless cycle of
supply Ukranians with tanks, munitions, weapon systems and let lots of
Ukranians(and Russians) die. After all we can supply more T, M ,WS and
let more Ukranians(and Russians) die
Oh and remind me to repeat what you said
when your country get into trouble.
We have been invaded by a foreign power more times than enough with
MANY many people killed or displaced.
Where was any country, 1500 miles away, when the highlands were being
cleared?
On 12 Sep 2023 23:23:40 GMT, rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote:
On Tue, 12 Sep 2023 23:38:13 +0100, SteveW wrote:
On 12/09/2023 02:00, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Mon, 11 Sep 2023 12:47:49 +0100, Xeno <xenolith@optusnet.com.au
wrote:
On 11/9/2023 6:44 am, Commander Kinsey wrote:
If Ukraine and Russia make peace, who keeps the Russian occupied
land?
Ukraine will be unlikely to agree to any peace deal whilst ever any
of Ukraine territory remains occupied by Russia and that includes
territory illegally annexed in 2014.
Ukraine used to be the USSR, they\'re just taking it back.
Russia does not equal USSR.
Okay, the Russian Empire is taking it back... Maybe Poland would like
their part back too. The Ukraine has a very limited history as an actual
country.
Only as far as current borders are concerned. Back in the Middle Ages,
when Moscow was still just a swamp, Kyiv was the capital of a much
larger area, \"Kyivan Rus\". Maybe we should be thinking of Ukraine
regaining its former territories.
The Russian Empire no longer exists. It collapsed and disbanded in 1991.
Russia is trying to *recreate* the Russian Empire (aka Soviet Union or
USSR)
On 9/12/23 16:32, Colin Bignell wrote:
The vast majority, 96%, were lost after you joined the war. At least
some of the 344 who died before 1942 were probably serving on British
ships.
They were on American Ships.
Here is a run down:
http://www.usmm.org/casualty.html
And it does support your numbers
Would you pay much attention to a US president whose failed policies led
to the dissolution of the US? Gorbachev\'s life\'s work was a disaster.
Okay, the Russian Empire is taking it back... Maybe Poland would like
their part back too. The Ukraine has a very limited history as an actual
country.
It\'s debated whether Oleg was related to Rurik but they both were
Varangians from Sweden. Let\'s give the whole mess to Sweden. They deserve
it.
The Russian Empire no longer exists. It collapsed and disbanded in 1991.
Russia is trying to *recreate* the Russian Empire (aka Soviet Union or
USSR)
The Russian Empire collapsed in 1917. If you don\'t know the difference
between that and the CCCP perhaps you should play elsewhere.
On Tue, 12 Sep 2023 23:38:13 +0100, SteveW wrote:
On 12/09/2023 02:00, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Mon, 11 Sep 2023 12:47:49 +0100, Xeno <xenolith@optusnet.com.au
wrote:
On 11/9/2023 6:44 am, Commander Kinsey wrote:
If Ukraine and Russia make peace, who keeps the Russian occupied
land?
Ukraine will be unlikely to agree to any peace deal whilst ever any of
Ukraine territory remains occupied by Russia and that includes
territory illegally annexed in 2014.
Ukraine used to be the USSR, they\'re just taking it back.
Russia does not equal USSR.
Okay, the Russian Empire is taking it back... Maybe Poland would like
their part back too. The Ukraine has a very limited history as an actual
country.
The point is that is is relatively silly to look at the past and try andOn 2023-09-12, rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote:
Okay, the Russian Empire is taking it back... Maybe Poland would like
their part back too. The Ukraine has a very limited history as an actual
country.
So did the U.S. at one point.
On 13/09/2023 11:07, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
On 2023-09-12, rbowman <bow...@montana.com> wrote:
In the case of Ukraine they had a referendum and they decided they
wanted to be independent. A sort of Ukrainian version of Brexit. Russia
agreed, and that was that.
Why is happening now is precisely equivalent to the EU sending tanks
into southern Ireland to take over Northern Ireland, then Scotland and
finally England.
We all know they would like to, but fortunately no one trusts them with an army.
On 12/09/2023 02:00, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Mon, 11 Sep 2023 12:47:49 +0100, Xeno <xenolith@optusnet.com.au> wrote:
On 11/9/2023 6:44 am, Commander Kinsey wrote:
If Ukraine and Russia make peace, who keeps the Russian occupied land?
Ukraine will be unlikely to agree to any peace deal whilst ever any of
Ukraine territory remains occupied by Russia and that includes territory
illegally annexed in 2014.
Ukraine used to be the USSR, they\'re just taking it back.
Russia does not equal USSR.