OT: I was suddenly struck with a thought (POLITICAL)

John Fields · Jan 4, 2005

On Tue, 04 Jan 2005 15:31:12 -0700, Jim Thompson
<thegreatone@example.com> wrote:

On Tue, 04 Jan 2005 13:54:42 -0800, John Larkin
jjlarkin@highSNIPlandTHIStechPLEASEnology.com> wrote:

Hey, JohnF, we're now official members in good standing of the F.B.
Plonk Club! Calls for a beer, huh?

JohnL

But I've been a member for at least a year ;-)

---
Amazing!

No one can have done anything or been anywhere that you haven't
already done or been.

--
John Fields

Jim Thompson · Jan 5, 2005

On Tue, 04 Jan 2005 18:18:21 -0600, John Fields
<jfields@austininstruments.com> wrote:

On Tue, 04 Jan 2005 15:31:12 -0700, Jim Thompson
thegreatone@example.com> wrote:

On Tue, 04 Jan 2005 13:54:42 -0800, John Larkin
jjlarkin@highSNIPlandTHIStechPLEASEnology.com> wrote:

Hey, JohnF, we're now official members in good standing of the F.B.
Plonk Club! Calls for a beer, huh?

JohnL

But I've been a member for at least a year ;-)

---
Amazing!

No one can have done anything or been anywhere that you haven't
already done or been.

Sno-o-o-o-rt! The two Johns keep me running for a tissue ;-)

Right now I'm watching out the window, 2.3" of rain in the last
hour... 30 miles north, 3 tornados sighted, 20 miles to the east
another tornado sighting. Hail. Just a lovely winter day in Arizona
:-(

...Jim Thompson
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Jim Thompson · Jan 5, 2005

On Tue, 04 Jan 2005 19:38:04 -0500, Spehro Pefhany
<speffSNIP@interlogDOTyou.knowwhat> wrote:

On Tue, 04 Jan 2005 18:26:18 -0600, the renowned John Fields
jfields@austininstruments.com> wrote:

On Tue, 04 Jan 2005 13:54:42 -0800, John Larkin
jjlarkin@highSNIPlandTHIStechPLEASEnology.com> wrote:

Hey, JohnF, we're now official members in good standing of the F.B.
Plonk Club! Calls for a beer, huh?

---
More like a bottle of a nice white!-)

Santa brought a nice dual-zone wine fridge with blue LED display--
which required wiring and cabinet modifications. I blame Jim. ;-)

Best regards,
Spehro Pefhany

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Frank Bemelman · Jan 5, 2005

"Greg Pierce" <trash.can@nospam.com> schreef in bericht
news

an.2005.01.05.07.55.26.546346@nospam.com...

On Tue, 04 Jan 2005 18:16:03 +0100, the highly esteemed Frank Bemelman
enlightened us with these pearls of wisdom:

"John Larkin" <john@spamless.usa> schreef in bericht
news:4sglt0d9m8tvjopbluq5a0lf5hgpaq50so@4ax.com...
On Tue, 04 Jan 2005 08:58:46 -0700, Jim Thompson
thegreatone@example.com> wrote:

On Tue, 4 Jan 2005 16:32:12 +0100, "Frithiof Andreas Jensen"
frithiof.jensen@die_spammer_die.ericsson.com> wrote:

"Jim Thompson" <thegreatone@example.com> wrote in message
news:gbrjt0p9uho727vhgvgrha8tst37dhibsa@4ax.com...

So I guess we need to watch our backsides, or it will be the
furnaces for us also :-(

Given US past history, you would do better to watch your fellow
countrymen
... and immigrants!

Or just watch TeeVee instead of Trolling ...

But it's SO much fun to bait the Eurotrash ;-)

...Jim Thompson

Oh, cut them some slack, Jim. For thousands of years thay lived in a
culture defined by warfare. They "claimed" most of the surface of the
planet and preceded to exterminate or enslave all the "savages" they
found there. They started two World Wars and dragged us into both of
them. Then they needed our money to rebuild from the rubble and they
needed our armies to keep the Soviets out. What else could they do to
maintain their self-respect but forget their past and their debts, and
become haughty sophisticates?

PLONK!

Stings like a bitch, doesn't it?

--
Greg
American

Another fucking idiot.

PLONK!

--
Thanks, Frank.
(remove 'q' and 'invalid' when replying by email)

Daniel Haude · Jan 5, 2005

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On Tue, 04 Jan 2005 14:37:11 -0600,
John Fields <jfields@austininstruments.com> wrote
in Msg. <0tslt01q4nfideeli8d3af3ae5bb33ff45@4ax.com>

On Tue, 4 Jan 2005 19:07:54 +0000 (UTC), "Reg Edwards"
g4fgq.regp@ZZZbtinternet.com> wrote:

The USA has never entered a war except in its own calculated best interests.
Wars have always ended with the USA being even more powerful, dictatorial
and RICHER.

---
I fail to see why you think that's a _bad_ thing.

Starting wars is generally frowned upon by civilized people, but the thing
that really pisses of people is that the US claim moral superiority when
in fact they start wars for the same reasons that everybody else does.

--Daniel

John Larkin · Jan 5, 2005

On Wed, 5 Jan 2005 09:27:15 +0100, "Frank Bemelman"
<f.bemelmanq@xs4all.invalid.nl> wrote:

"Greg Pierce" <trash.can@nospam.com> schreef in bericht
newsan.2005.01.05.07.55.26.546346@nospam.com...
On Tue, 04 Jan 2005 18:16:03 +0100, the highly esteemed Frank Bemelman
enlightened us with these pearls of wisdom:

"John Larkin" <john@spamless.usa> schreef in bericht
news:4sglt0d9m8tvjopbluq5a0lf5hgpaq50so@4ax.com...
On Tue, 04 Jan 2005 08:58:46 -0700, Jim Thompson
thegreatone@example.com> wrote:

On Tue, 4 Jan 2005 16:32:12 +0100, "Frithiof Andreas Jensen"
frithiof.jensen@die_spammer_die.ericsson.com> wrote:

"Jim Thompson" <thegreatone@example.com> wrote in message
news:gbrjt0p9uho727vhgvgrha8tst37dhibsa@4ax.com...

So I guess we need to watch our backsides, or it will be the
furnaces for us also :-(

Given US past history, you would do better to watch your fellow
countrymen
... and immigrants!

Or just watch TeeVee instead of Trolling ...

But it's SO much fun to bait the Eurotrash ;-)

...Jim Thompson

Oh, cut them some slack, Jim. For thousands of years thay lived in a
culture defined by warfare. They "claimed" most of the surface of the
planet and preceded to exterminate or enslave all the "savages" they
found there. They started two World Wars and dragged us into both of
them. Then they needed our money to rebuild from the rubble and they
needed our armies to keep the Soviets out. What else could they do to
maintain their self-respect but forget their past and their debts, and
become haughty sophisticates?

PLONK!

Stings like a bitch, doesn't it?

--
Greg
American

Another fucking idiot.

PLONK!

Geez, if I have to buy a beer for everybody that Frank has plonked,
the liquor tab is going to be a killer.

John

John Woodgate · Jan 5, 2005

I read in sci.electronics.design that Jim Thompson
<thegreatone@example.com> wrote (in <sqgot0dv7lkbfqcsmqmljjipirvc67cco8@
4ax.com&gt

about 'OT: I was suddenly struck with a thought (POLITICAL)',
on Wed, 5 Jan 2005:

Right on! For Christ-sake! We had tornados in Phoenix last night
(pictures later). That's far more important to us than Tsunamis...
although the private contributions still made the front pages of our
newspapers.

You probably don't remember the last tsunami to hit Phoenix. It was due
to that business at Chixhulub.

Let us hope that St Andrew does not react to the agitations of Kali.
--
Regards, John Woodgate, OOO - Own Opinions Only.
The good news is that nothing is compulsory.
The bad news is that everything is prohibited.
http://www.jmwa.demon.co.uk Also see http://www.isce.org.uk

Daniel Haude · Jan 7, 2005

On Thu, 06 Jan 2005 08:04:48 -0800,
John Larkin <john@spamless.usa> wrote
in Msg. <m9oqt09vat5h05i12okg6j899kvuk7d3vt@4ax.com>

On 6 Jan 2005 08:39:23 GMT, Daniel Haude
haude@kir.physnet.uni-hamburg.de> wrote:

On Wed, 05 Jan 2005 09:21:29 -0500,
Chuck Harris <cf-NO-SPAM-harris@erols.com> wrote
in Msg. <YsidnavirPJ3akbcRVn-uw@rcn.net

The usual reason for starting a war is terratorial expansion. The US
hasn't done that in a century.

I know, but if you replace "territory" with "influence", which amounts to
pretty much the same you're back on track.

Is "spreading democracy" equivalent to "influence" which is equivalent
to "empire"?

Influence is neither equivalent to empire, nor is it necessarily bad for
the region being influenced. I should know for I'm from a place that has
profited a lot from US influence. But influence can take the form of
spreading democracy as well as supporting evil dictatorships, and the US
have taken both paths -- whatever suited their interests best.

Get off your high horse claimimg that the US are trying to make the world
a better place for everyone, and are paying dearly for it. They're acting
in their own interest and there's nothing intrinsically wrong with that.
We're not fighting over the question if a free, democratic Iraq (with the
oil industry owned and run by Bush's buddies) is better than Saddam's Iraq
but rather over the methods that are being employed to get there. All the
US have accomplished so far is spreading mayhem, not democracy, and it
doesn't look as if that's going to change anytime soon.

--D.

Jim Thompson · Jan 7, 2005

On Fri, 07 Jan 2005 15:33:21 -0500, Spehro Pefhany
<speffSNIP@interlogDOTyou.knowwhat> wrote:

On Fri, 07 Jan 2005 12:40:31 -0700, the renowned Jim Thompson
thegreatone@example.com> wrote:

I blame the workers.

...Jim Thompson

Do you get _Coronation Street_ ? It's kind of a TV staple here. There
was a show on last week (I don't really watch it, but it was on in the
same room) where a factory had burned down (due to the carelessness of
a couple of the workers, IIRC) and the owner was worrying about
whether the insurance would pay off because it excluded fires caused
by smoking. Anyway, a bunch of the workers came around to the owner's
house and asked about keeping their jobs- and said he really should be
paying them anyway. When the fact the factory was gutted and there
were no suppliers, no customers and therefore no money, they said
"Well, that's not really our problem, is it?". They were probably
right under British labour laws too.

Best regards,
Spehro Pefhany

I have a very small TV listing, I watch:

Food TV, particularly Alton Brown, that's how I learned to do my
famous Thanksgiving brined turkey and Christmas prime rib ;-)

Fox News

Leno

CSI

Sometimes: The History Channel

Sometimes: The Practice/Boston Legal

Some local news

A movie from my collection of 300+ DVDs

Ordinary TV is a vast wasteland

...Jim Thompson
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John Woodgate · Jan 7, 2005

I read in sci.electronics.design that Spehro Pefhany <speffSNIP@interlog
DOTyou.knowwhat> wrote (in <c8stt0pmklrb8ok03gf5c1jgd58pdm5l3u@4ax.com&gt

about 'OT: I was suddenly struck with a thought (POLITICAL)', on Fri, 7
Jan 2005:

Anyway, a bunch of the workers came around to the owner's house and
asked about keeping their jobs- and said he really should be paying them
anyway. When the fact the factory was gutted and there were no
suppliers, no customers and therefore no money, they said "Well, that's
not really our problem, is it?". They were probably right under British
labour laws too.

As the case is stated, they probably are. But the employer can take
steps to remedy that. UK employment law is very complicated, but there
are safeguards to prevent illogical situations arising. The onus is very
much on the employer to take the right actions, and often swiftly. Wise
employers subscribe to a support association (such as at
http://www.fsb.org.uk) which helps tremendously in such situations.
--
Regards, John Woodgate, OOO - Own Opinions Only.
The good news is that nothing is compulsory.
The bad news is that everything is prohibited.
http://www.jmwa.demon.co.uk Also see http://www.isce.org.uk

John Larkin · Jan 9, 2005

On Sun, 9 Jan 2005 07:44:58 +0000, John Woodgate
<jmw@jmwa.demon.contraspam.yuk> wrote:

We're
not protecting them from Hitler, after all. And Saddam The Dictator was
gone quite some time ago - by the way, where are they holding him?

Shh! He's in Jim Thompson's storm-cellar.

Drinking up all the wine, no doubt.

John

John Larkin · Jan 9, 2005

On Sun, 09 Jan 2005 12:29:02 -0700, Jim Thompson
<thegreatone@example.com> wrote:

On Sun, 09 Jan 2005 11:08:58 -0800, John Larkin <john@spamless.usa
wrote:

On Sun, 9 Jan 2005 07:44:58 +0000, John Woodgate
jmw@jmwa.demon.contraspam.yuk> wrote:

We're
not protecting them from Hitler, after all. And Saddam The Dictator was
gone quite some time ago - by the way, where are they holding him?

Shh! He's in Jim Thompson's storm-cellar.

I don't have a storm cellar.

Drinking up all the wine, no doubt.

John

I wish I had a wine cellar. The two sons keep asking me what I'd like
for birthday, Christmas, whatever. When I reply, "Why don't you two
dig me a wine cellar?", you should see the look on their faces ;-)

Just drink faster.

Some time ago, my kid discovered a cavern under our garage. We cut a
hole through a wall and found a nice, maybe 500 sq foot,
concrete-sprayed cavity under the house. So now we can store more
stuff. There's never enough room for stuff.

(This location is a true rock pile...

Same here. Every time my wife wants to plant something in the garden,
I have to spend twenty minutes swinging a big ole pick and lugging
rocks away. I went into engineering so I wouldn't have to do stuff
like this.

John

John Woodgate · Jan 9, 2005

I read in sci.electronics.design that John Larkin <john@spamless.usa>
wrote (in <c903u0t8trh7u2njee1p16i5lkbrpibm1t@4ax.com&gt

about 'I was
suddenly struck with a thought (POLITICAL)', on Sun, 9 Jan 2005:

Drinking up all the wine, no doubt.

Depends. He's not a strict Muslim, but he may not take wine. I believe
there is more aversion to pork than to alcohol, though, among non-strict
Muslims in Europe.

I don't suppose Jim keeps pigs in his cellar, anyway.
--
Regards, John Woodgate, OOO - Own Opinions Only.
The good news is that nothing is compulsory.
The bad news is that everything is prohibited.
http://www.jmwa.demon.co.uk Also see http://www.isce.org.uk

John Woodgate · Jan 9, 2005

I read in sci.electronics.design that John Larkin <john@spamless.usa>
wrote (in <v323u05mr4ia0n748ab9fr2a9doc1ggt9n@4ax.com&gt

about 'I was
suddenly struck with a thought (POLITICAL)', on Sun, 9 Jan 2005:

Same here. Every time my wife wants to plant something in the garden, I
have to spend twenty minutes swinging a big ole pick and lugging rocks
away. I went into engineering so I wouldn't have to do stuff like this.

Make 'raised beds'. Lots of stuff on Google, and they appear to be
fashionable at present. Try:

http://ohioline.osu.edu/hyg-fact/1000/1641.html
--
Regards, John Woodgate, OOO - Own Opinions Only.
The good news is that nothing is compulsory.
The bad news is that everything is prohibited.
http://www.jmwa.demon.co.uk Also see http://www.isce.org.uk

Spehro Pefhany · Jan 9, 2005

On Sun, 09 Jan 2005 11:45:28 -0800, the renowned John Larkin
<john@spamless.usa> wrote:

On Sun, 09 Jan 2005 12:29:02 -0700, Jim Thompson
thegreatone@example.com> wrote:

On Sun, 09 Jan 2005 11:08:58 -0800, John Larkin <john@spamless.usa
wrote:

On Sun, 9 Jan 2005 07:44:58 +0000, John Woodgate
jmw@jmwa.demon.contraspam.yuk> wrote:

We're
not protecting them from Hitler, after all. And Saddam The Dictator was
gone quite some time ago - by the way, where are they holding him?

Shh! He's in Jim Thompson's storm-cellar.

I don't have a storm cellar.

Drinking up all the wine, no doubt.

John

I wish I had a wine cellar. The two sons keep asking me what I'd like
for birthday, Christmas, whatever. When I reply, "Why don't you two
dig me a wine cellar?", you should see the look on their faces ;-)

Just drink faster.

Some time ago, my kid discovered a cavern under our garage. We cut a
hole through a wall and found a nice, maybe 500 sq foot,
concrete-sprayed cavity under the house. So now we can store more
stuff. There's never enough room for stuff.

We have an absolutely *huge* concrete-floored cavern under our house.
We call it a "basement". ;-)

Best regards,
Spehro Pefhany
--
"it's the network..." "The Journey is the reward"
speff@interlog.com Info for manufacturers: http://www.trexon.com
Embedded software/hardware/analog Info for designers: http://www.speff.com

Jim Thompson · Jan 9, 2005

On Sun, 9 Jan 2005 20:02:25 +0000, John Woodgate
<jmw@jmwa.demon.contraspam.yuk> wrote:

I read in sci.electronics.design that John Larkin <john@spamless.usa
wrote (in <v323u05mr4ia0n748ab9fr2a9doc1ggt9n@4ax.com&gt about 'I was
suddenly struck with a thought (POLITICAL)', on Sun, 9 Jan 2005:

Same here. Every time my wife wants to plant something in the garden, I
have to spend twenty minutes swinging a big ole pick and lugging rocks
away. I went into engineering so I wouldn't have to do stuff like this.

Make 'raised beds'. Lots of stuff on Google, and they appear to be
fashionable at present. Try:

http://ohioline.osu.edu/hyg-fact/1000/1641.html

480)460-2350 | |
| E-mail Address at Website Fax

John Woodgate · Jan 9, 2005

I read in sci.electronics.design that John Larkin <john@spamless.usa>
wrote (in <ea53u0lalmthhc9g97nbrf6d3horkse0ld@4ax.com&gt

about 'I was
suddenly struck with a thought (POLITICAL)', on Sun, 9 Jan 2005:

I did find one very old, ca 1930 I'm
guessing, vacuum tube in the litter as we were cleaning up. It had a
brass bayonet base with a few solder bumps for contacts, sort of a
vacuum BGA.

I hope you kept it. It sounds like a much earlier device than 1930.
Maybe it's an Audion!
--
Regards, John Woodgate, OOO - Own Opinions Only.
The good news is that nothing is compulsory.
The bad news is that everything is prohibited.
http://www.jmwa.demon.co.uk Also see http://www.isce.org.uk

John Fields · Jan 9, 2005

On Sun, 09 Jan 2005 11:45:28 -0800, John Larkin <john@spamless.usa>
wrote:

Same here. Every time my wife wants to plant something in the garden,
I have to spend twenty minutes swinging a big ole pick and lugging
rocks away. I went into engineering so I wouldn't have to do stuff
like this.

---
Well, at least you're civil about it.

--
John Fields

Jim Thompson · Jan 11, 2005

On Tue, 11 Jan 2005 10:45:02 +0100, "Frithiof Andreas Jensen"
<frithiof.jensen@die_spammer_die.ericsson.com> wrote:

"Jim Thompson" <thegreatone@example.com> wrote in message
news:jf7tt0pg6tunfq4qn7nrq3kvcb5na3hd7o@4ax.com...

Please elaborate on "...clearly the US is feeling the pain".

The US is loosing even skilled manufacturing jobs at an alarming rate;

Agreed.

the
immediate consequence is blatant government overspending, too low interest
rates and a steadily falling USD - **clearly** an American re-run of Japan
in the 1980's!

I don't follow your convoluted reasoning.

[snip]

it is not good at all that a growing segment of the
population are unemployed and increasingly likely to remain unemployed
forever.

[snip]

"growing segment"?? The USA unemployment rate has stayed steady at
5.4-5.5% for quite a long time.

What is the unemployment rate in Germany? France?

I think you are sweating the decline and fall of Europe, and are
trying to fix blame on the USA.

...Jim Thompson
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Chuck Harris · Jan 11, 2005

John Larkin wrote:

Presently "they"* are trying to keep things together by running the USD
lower so that the US manufacturing will remain somewhat competitive - and
maybe "they" will luck out and China will break under the weight of
increasing prices for raw-materials and falling USD-earninges.

Maybe Not.

Nice analysis, except for the fact that tha US has a low unemployment
rate - far below most of the rest of the world, well below Europe -
and is creating new jobs at a good clip. If not for absorbing a huge
number of immigrants, we'd have a serious labor shortage. I see lots
of employment ads and "help wanted" signs, at least in my home town.

The unemployment rate only includes those who are still
drawing unemployment. That means that anyone who hasn't found a job
after 6 months of unemployment is not unemployed according to the
US gov't statistics.

I know tech professionals that have been "unemployed" for years. Most
are doing odd jobs well beneath their training.

The "help wanted" signs you are seeing in your home town are for high
quality jobs like waiters, janitorial, checkers, fast food jobs,
stockers, ... Things that out of work 40 something tech professionals
shouldn't have to do at this point in their careers.

Where are the "help wanted" signs for IT, engineering, ...? They
are starting to come back in dribbles, but there are currently nowhere
near enough jobs to hire back all the "chronically unemployed" tech
professionals.

-Chuck

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