OT: Honda Thinks Hybrids Are Good Enough

[Rick C]

On Thursday, January 9, 2020 at 2:04:14 PM UTC-5, Whoey Louie wrote:

On Wednesday, January 8, 2020 at 11:53:00 AM UTC-5, Rick C wrote:
On Wednesday, January 8, 2020 at 10:21:12 AM UTC-5, Whoey Louie wrote:
On Tuesday, January 7, 2020 at 6:11:46 PM UTC-5, Bill Sloman wrote:

The problem is that we have to reduce carbon emissions fast, and to a rather low level - about half a ton of CO2 per person per year.

And hybrids do exactly that. What is better? Someone needs a new car,
they buy a hybrid or a plug-in hybrid or there is no hybrid choice,
so they buy an ICE car, because an electric does not fit their need.
That is the environment we are in today. But you libs, it's the old
my way or the highway.

I guess that's why Tesla is selling every car they can make, literally!

And Honda is having trouble? Honda sold 5.5 mil cars last year, compared
to a few hundred thousand at Tesla. Oh, and Honda actually makes money,
so there's that.....

And their growth rate over the last few years has been what exactly? Tesla has been growing like a weed on steroids. Of course they haven't been focused on profits, they've been a startup. They are just now transitioning into a more stable mode where profits might happen. Even the former head of GM Bob Lutz who was predicting their eminent failure has now said they are looking good.

https://www.teslarati.com/?s=Bob+Lutz

Oh yeah, the stock is valued at more than GM and Fiat combined.

They are outselling every BEV, hybrid and and plug-in hybrid offered. In just over two years they've sold more model 3s than Leafs on the road over the last 10 years. They are selling model 3s fast enough to be in the top 20 models sold in 2019, right behind Toyota Corolla.

Kinda hard to say EVs don't fit the needs of car buyers today.

It fits the needs of a small percent of the market. The folks
at The Simpsons had an episode about people like you. The smug,
no it alls, that just know what everyone else should do and how
superior they are. They were portrayed as running around smelling
their own farts.

You act like I've told you what to do. I haven't told anyone what to do, in fact, I've publicly said that I don't recommend an EV for anyone at the moment. Buy it if you really want one, but they will only be getting better and unless you have to buy a car now, keep what you have for a few more years.

Then we can all buy EVs and save the planet. lol

A hybrid is a step in the right direction, but doesn't take us as far as we have to go.

Fine. I'll buy an ICE car instead. Happy now?

No one cares what you do or say.

Of course not, but then I'm not the one that came here trying to tell
Honda what they should do, you did that.

As usual, you have your knickers in a knot. lol I've told no one what they should do. I'm just pointing out the absurdity of Hachiago's statements and the fact that his company will not do well if they aren't making significant EVs in five years when nearly everyone else will be... if they want to survive.

One of the side effects of the bushfires currently burning in eastern Australia is that a lot of highways have been temporarily blocked.

People can burnt to death by driving through a bushfire as it crosses a road.

It nearly happened to me back in 1968 - I drove through bushfire smoke, and fifteen minutes later people who thought that that was what they were doing ended up in flames and dead.

Your way has more risks than you seem to realise.

--
Bill Sloman, Sydney

It's not my way, stupid. It's the way the world is currently operating,
it's the rules in place, which of course is the world that Honda is
selling cars into. And BTW, Honda, unlike Tesla, is profitable. Tesla
has never had a profitable year.

No, but it's still early days.

So, why are you bitching about Honda? Maybe Honda's strategy
is to let the others lose money, make all the mistakes, then when it's
advantageous, enter and compete. How many of the original auto companies
from the turn of the century succeeded?

Honda's CEO Hachiago is the one who indicated he believes there is not demand for battery EVs. So he is the one I am talking about.

They had a couple of bad quarters adjusting to the big step up in global sales in 2019 which cut profits for two quarters. The next two quarters will show if they can sustain profits while rapidly growing and bringing online a new model. Even if they can't, they seem to be done with the problems they've had bringing every other model into production and are bringing up the new line in Shenzhen rapidly, more rapidly than any of their critics thought.

If this, if that. Simple fact the company is run by an eccentric, impulsive
dope head. Some of his stunts were stunning. Like manipulating the stock
by claiming he had money for a buyout, announcing the price, which was all
a lie. Or calling that UK diver a pedophile because he had said that Musk's
crazy sub idea to rescue those cave people would not work.

Bob Lutz is a believer now. But then I'm sure you know more than the former head of GM. At least GM is forging ahead with plans to produce multiple electric car models rather than focus on hybrids that are incapable of being a total solution.

So with new sales in Asia and the model Y in production later this year, it is unlikely Tesla won't be able to turn a profit for 2020. Even if they don't, they seem to have the ability to continuously raise capital based on their accomplishments.

In the Tesla forums I am a voice of moderation, not wanting to believe the current stock price bubble is value based. But I can't deny the arguments people put forward about the many accomplishments of Tesla. Still, I think this is a good time to divest of the stock. With the sudden rise from under 200 to 470 I think the stock is overvalued. I will be selling as soon as I reach the long term capital gains holding period... which I have for some of my holdings.

--

Rick C.

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Maybe you can buy some Honda?

Yeah, that's a great idea. Let me know how that works out for you.

BTW, they had a small correction today. It had to be coming, the only question is if it is over and the stock will hand waiting for more good news or continue up or maybe the correction is not done. I don't know as it seems to be a very emotionally traded stock. It has value for sure, but I don't think the current price is justified. If they show continued profit for the quarter it will all be good though.

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Rick C.

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[Rick C]

On Thursday, January 9, 2020 at 4:19:27 PM UTC-5, John Larkin wrote:

On Thu, 9 Jan 2020 19:24:50 +0000 (UTC),
DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno@decadence.org wrote:

jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote in
news:1vie1f9mjj13sel6qtllakdbu9g4ufkb8f@4ax.com:


I have a relative (the jet fighter pilot) who uses the s-word
constantly. It makes no sense and offends people.

Your personality in this group offends people.

Only old hens who treat the group as their social media outlet. Some
of us think this group is about electronics.

And yet you continue to post in off topic threads or just post off topic when you feel like it. You literally are the biggest troll in the group and much of your trolling is whining about the behavior of others.

--

Rick C.

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[Bill Sloman]

On Friday, January 10, 2020 at 8:19:27 AM UTC+11, John Larkin wrote:

On Thu, 9 Jan 2020 19:24:50 +0000 (UTC),
DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno@decadence.org wrote:

jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote in
news:1vie1f9mjj13sel6qtllakdbu9g4ufkb8f@4ax.com:


I have a relative (the jet fighter pilot) who uses the s-word
constantly. It makes no sense and offends people.

Your personality in this group offends people.

Only old hens who treat the group as their social media outlet. Some
of us think this group is about electronics.

John Larkin clearly thinks that this group is his social media outlet.

He may claim that he thinks the group is about electronics, but this should be read as meaning that he thinks that this group exist to let him boast about the electronics he sells, and to post the occasional Spice model that he has dreamed up.

Other peoples circuit don't seem to get his attention.

--
Bill Sloman, Sydney

 

[Bill Sloman]

On Friday, January 10, 2020 at 10:43:21 AM UTC+11, Rick C wrote:

On Thursday, January 9, 2020 at 2:04:14 PM UTC-5, Whoey Louie wrote:
On Wednesday, January 8, 2020 at 11:53:00 AM UTC-5, Rick C wrote:
On Wednesday, January 8, 2020 at 10:21:12 AM UTC-5, Whoey Louie wrote:
On Tuesday, January 7, 2020 at 6:11:46 PM UTC-5, Bill Sloman wrote:

<snip>

You act like I've told you what to do. I haven't told anyone what to do, in fact, I've publicly said that I don't recommend an EV for anyone at the moment. Buy it if you really want one, but they will only be getting better and unless you have to buy a car now, keep what you have for a few more years.

Then we can all buy EVs and save the planet. lol

Buying an EV won't save the planet. If it is being charged with electricity generated by burning fossil carbon, it won't make enough difference to save the planet, though it may stave off the climate catastrophe for a few more years.

Using an EV does mean that if the electricity generating business gets its act together and stops burning fossil carbon (or at least burns a lot less than it does now) your travel will stop contributing to your individual CO2 emissions.

It's probably a necessary part of the program to save the planet, but it's not - in itself - sufficient to do the job.

--
Bill Sloman, Sydney

 

[bitrex]

On 1/8/20 10:54 PM, Bill Sloman wrote:

It's not my way, stupid. It's the way the world is currently operating,
it's the rules in place, which of course is the world that Honda is
selling cars into.

Your problem is that you can't seem to get it into your head that the world is in transition away from burning fossil carbon for fuel.

The way the world is currently operating gives us progressively more anthropogenic global warming every year, and progressively more of the consequent inconveniences, which are going to stop us operating in the same way, one way or another.

And BTW, Honda, unlike Tesla, is profitable. Tesla
has never had a profitable year.

Tesla is a high-tech start-up. They are doing what high-tech start-ups do, which is to concentrate on getting big rather than on getting profitable. Once they've hit the limits of their potential market, they will shift focus to exploiting that for all the profit they can extract. That's capitalism 101.

If Honda had the capital, it might have used it to go after some of the same market, but it is selling into a different market sector, and their optimum strategy is presumably different.

Tesla still operates like a start-up sometimes despite being in business
for almost 20 years

 

On Thursday, January 9, 2020 at 8:37:07 PM UTC-5, Bill Sloman wrote:

On Friday, January 10, 2020 at 10:43:21 AM UTC+11, Rick C wrote:
On Thursday, January 9, 2020 at 2:04:14 PM UTC-5, Whoey Louie wrote:
On Wednesday, January 8, 2020 at 11:53:00 AM UTC-5, Rick C wrote:
On Wednesday, January 8, 2020 at 10:21:12 AM UTC-5, Whoey Louie wrote:
On Tuesday, January 7, 2020 at 6:11:46 PM UTC-5, Bill Sloman wrote:

snip

You act like I've told you what to do. I haven't told anyone what to do, in fact, I've publicly said that I don't recommend an EV for anyone at the moment. Buy it if you really want one, but they will only be getting better and unless you have to buy a car now, keep what you have for a few more years.

Then we can all buy EVs and save the planet. lol

Buying an EV won't save the planet. If it is being charged with electricity generated by burning fossil carbon, it won't make enough difference to save the planet, though it may stave off the climate catastrophe for a few more years.

Using an EV does mean that if the electricity generating business gets its act together and stops burning fossil carbon (or at least burns a lot less than it does now) your travel will stop contributing to your individual CO2 emissions.

It's probably a necessary part of the program to save the planet, but it's not - in itself - sufficient to do the job.

--
Bill Sloman, Sydney

They have effectively moved the source of the problem and maybe reduced its negative impact on the atmosphere by having a concentrated source that can be more effectively dealt with....(or maybe not...)

 

On Thursday, January 9, 2020 at 8:39:21 PM UTC-5, bitrex wrote:

On 1/8/20 10:54 PM, Bill Sloman wrote:

It's not my way, stupid. It's the way the world is currently operating,
it's the rules in place, which of course is the world that Honda is
selling cars into.

Your problem is that you can't seem to get it into your head that the world is in transition away from burning fossil carbon for fuel.

The way the world is currently operating gives us progressively more anthropogenic global warming every year, and progressively more of the consequent inconveniences, which are going to stop us operating in the same way, one way or another.

And BTW, Honda, unlike Tesla, is profitable. Tesla
has never had a profitable year.

Tesla is a high-tech start-up. They are doing what high-tech start-ups do, which is to concentrate on getting big rather than on getting profitable. Once they've hit the limits of their potential market, they will shift focus to exploiting that for all the profit they can extract. That's capitalism 101.

If Honda had the capital, it might have used it to go after some of the same market, but it is selling into a different market sector, and their optimum strategy is presumably different.


Tesla still operates like a start-up sometimes despite being in business
for almost 20 years

IDK why that is such a 'problem'? It is more difficult to sell a gazillion widgets when trying to change the mindset of the buyer. If you have to educate the buyer then most of the time you will lose out on selling something.

 

jjhudak4@gmail.com wrote in
news:7c766851-e557-4fd8-b724-bd5339720924@googlegroups.com:

On Thursday, January 9, 2020 at 8:39:21 PM UTC-5, bitrex wrote:
On 1/8/20 10:54 PM, Bill Sloman wrote:

It's not my way, stupid. It's the way the world is currently
operatin
g,
it's the rules in place, which of course is the world that
Honda is selling cars into.

Your problem is that you can't seem to get it into your head
that the w
orld is in transition away from burning fossil carbon for fuel.

The way the world is currently operating gives us progressively
more an
thropogenic global warming every year, and progressively more of
the consequent inconveniences, which are going to stop us
operating in the same way, one way or another.

And BTW, Honda, unlike Tesla, is profitable. Tesla
has never had a profitable year.

Tesla is a high-tech start-up. They are doing what high-tech
start-ups
do, which is to concentrate on getting big rather than on getting
profitable. Once they've hit the limits of their potential market,
they will shift focus to exploiting that for all the profit they
can extract. That's capitalism 101.

If Honda had the capital, it might have used it to go after
some of the
same market, but it is selling into a different market sector,
and their optimum strategy is presumably different.


Tesla still operates like a start-up sometimes despite being in
business

for almost 20 years

IDK why that is such a 'problem'? It is more difficult to sell a
gazillion widgets when trying to change the mindset of the buyer.
If you have to educate the buyer then most of the time you will
lose out on selling something.

He also has stepped into other 'new' territories with space
boosters, etc. It isn't a problem.

A rich boy with an engineering education and moindset and a lot of
cash gets to make and play with a lot of fancy toys.

Even if he were to "go under" at some point, he himeself will not,
and I think more of him than I ever would a jerk like Trump picking
himself up after failing by way of taking a dump on hundreds of
millions in debts to contractors who performed services for him in
good faith.

 

[bitrex]

On 1/9/20 8:58 PM, DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno@decadence.org wrote:

jjhudak4@gmail.com wrote in
news:7c766851-e557-4fd8-b724-bd5339720924@googlegroups.com:

On Thursday, January 9, 2020 at 8:39:21 PM UTC-5, bitrex wrote:
On 1/8/20 10:54 PM, Bill Sloman wrote:

It's not my way, stupid. It's the way the world is currently
operatin
g,
it's the rules in place, which of course is the world that
Honda is selling cars into.

Your problem is that you can't seem to get it into your head
that the w
orld is in transition away from burning fossil carbon for fuel.

The way the world is currently operating gives us progressively
more an
thropogenic global warming every year, and progressively more of
the consequent inconveniences, which are going to stop us
operating in the same way, one way or another.

And BTW, Honda, unlike Tesla, is profitable. Tesla
has never had a profitable year.

Tesla is a high-tech start-up. They are doing what high-tech
start-ups
do, which is to concentrate on getting big rather than on getting
profitable. Once they've hit the limits of their potential market,
they will shift focus to exploiting that for all the profit they
can extract. That's capitalism 101.

If Honda had the capital, it might have used it to go after
some of the
same market, but it is selling into a different market sector,
and their optimum strategy is presumably different.


Tesla still operates like a start-up sometimes despite being in
business

for almost 20 years

IDK why that is such a 'problem'? It is more difficult to sell a
gazillion widgets when trying to change the mindset of the buyer.
If you have to educate the buyer then most of the time you will
lose out on selling something.


He also has stepped into other 'new' territories with space
boosters, etc. It isn't a problem.

A rich boy with an engineering education and moindset and a lot of
cash gets to make and play with a lot of fancy toys.

Even if he were to "go under" at some point, he himeself will not,
and I think more of him than I ever would a jerk like Trump picking
himself up after failing by way of taking a dump on hundreds of
millions in debts to contractors who performed services for him in
good faith.

Musk has a BA in physics from the mid 90s; he seems pretty
out-of-his-depth when he has to speak on engineering topics in a
quantitative way and has made some real howler statements over the years
about it. He's a businessman primarily.

Bill Gates is a "software engineer" too but the last piece of commercial
software he had a direct hand in designing or writing code for was what,
Windows 1.0?

 

[bitrex]

On 1/9/20 8:58 PM, DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno@decadence.org wrote:

jjhudak4@gmail.com wrote in
news:7c766851-e557-4fd8-b724-bd5339720924@googlegroups.com:

On Thursday, January 9, 2020 at 8:39:21 PM UTC-5, bitrex wrote:
On 1/8/20 10:54 PM, Bill Sloman wrote:

It's not my way, stupid. It's the way the world is currently
operatin
g,
it's the rules in place, which of course is the world that
Honda is selling cars into.

Your problem is that you can't seem to get it into your head
that the w
orld is in transition away from burning fossil carbon for fuel.

The way the world is currently operating gives us progressively
more an
thropogenic global warming every year, and progressively more of
the consequent inconveniences, which are going to stop us
operating in the same way, one way or another.

And BTW, Honda, unlike Tesla, is profitable. Tesla
has never had a profitable year.

Tesla is a high-tech start-up. They are doing what high-tech
start-ups
do, which is to concentrate on getting big rather than on getting
profitable. Once they've hit the limits of their potential market,
they will shift focus to exploiting that for all the profit they
can extract. That's capitalism 101.

If Honda had the capital, it might have used it to go after
some of the
same market, but it is selling into a different market sector,
and their optimum strategy is presumably different.


Tesla still operates like a start-up sometimes despite being in
business

for almost 20 years

IDK why that is such a 'problem'? It is more difficult to sell a
gazillion widgets when trying to change the mindset of the buyer.
If you have to educate the buyer then most of the time you will
lose out on selling something.


He also has stepped into other 'new' territories with space
boosters, etc. It isn't a problem.

A rich boy with an engineering education and moindset and a lot of
cash gets to make and play with a lot of fancy toys.

Even if he were to "go under" at some point, he himeself will not,
and I think more of him than I ever would a jerk like Trump picking
himself up after failing by way of taking a dump on hundreds of
millions in debts to contractors who performed services for him in
good faith.

Musk made most of his early $$$ by founding some otherwise fly-by-night
Web startups of dubious profitability potential that were fortunate to
be mergered-and-acquisitioned by Compaq and PayPal in the heady days of
bajillion dollar optimism right before the .com bubble burst.

 

[Bill Sloman]

On Friday, January 10, 2020 at 12:48:30 PM UTC+11, jjhu...@gmail.com wrote:

On Thursday, January 9, 2020 at 8:37:07 PM UTC-5, Bill Sloman wrote:
On Friday, January 10, 2020 at 10:43:21 AM UTC+11, Rick C wrote:
On Thursday, January 9, 2020 at 2:04:14 PM UTC-5, Whoey Louie wrote:
On Wednesday, January 8, 2020 at 11:53:00 AM UTC-5, Rick C wrote:
On Wednesday, January 8, 2020 at 10:21:12 AM UTC-5, Whoey Louie wrote:
On Tuesday, January 7, 2020 at 6:11:46 PM UTC-5, Bill Sloman wrote:

snip

You act like I've told you what to do. I haven't told anyone what to do, in fact, I've publicly said that I don't recommend an EV for anyone at the moment. Buy it if you really want one, but they will only be getting better and unless you have to buy a car now, keep what you have for a few more years.

Then we can all buy EVs and save the planet. lol

Buying an EV won't save the planet. If it is being charged with electricity generated by burning fossil carbon, it won't make enough difference to save the planet, though it may stave off the climate catastrophe for a few more years.

Using an EV does mean that if the electricity generating business gets its act together and stops burning fossil carbon (or at least burns a lot less than it does now) your travel will stop contributing to your individual CO2 emissions.

It's probably a necessary part of the program to save the planet, but it's not - in itself - sufficient to do the job.

They have effectively moved the source of the problem and maybe reduced its negative impact on the atmosphere by having a concentrated source that can be more effectively dealt with....(or maybe not...)

It's certainly possible to capture the CO2 emitted by a fossil-carbon fueled electricity generating plant, but expensive.

Since solar cells already generate power more cheaply than regular coal-burning power plants, there's no profit to be made by investing in a plant that would generate more expensive power even if it didn't emit CO2.

--
Bill Sloman, Sydney

 

bitrex <user@example.net> wrote in
news:%KRRF.15256$ek.3587@fx48.iad:

Musk has a BA in physics from the mid 90s; he seems pretty
out-of-his-depth when he has to speak on engineering topics in a
quantitative way and has made some real howler statements over the
years about it. He's a businessman primarily.

Bill Gates is a "software engineer" too but the last piece of
commercial software he had a direct hand in designing or writing
code for was what, Windows 1.0?

Yet both of them had the vision to conceptualize and make into a
reality some very nice 'things'.

Just like Arnie learned to act and the director of Conan was VERY
pissed that he had to train him on the job. Both of the players you
mention learn as they go pretty well.

I can think of at least one person whom does not and is a failure
yet touts himself as being as close to a supreme being as it gets.
He spouts gaffs all the time and folks seem to not even notice.
Likely going to embroil us into the world's next war too.

But folks would rather post a vid of Musk dancing aloof and make
jokes on him than a vid of Trump crying to the leaders in Scotland
about how bad win turbines are.

Yep... we live in an ass backwards world... one must struggle
through the mire on a daily basis just to survive.

 

[bitrex]

On 1/10/20 2:23 AM, DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno@decadence.org wrote:

bitrex <user@example.net> wrote in
news:%KRRF.15256$ek.3587@fx48.iad:

Musk has a BA in physics from the mid 90s; he seems pretty
out-of-his-depth when he has to speak on engineering topics in a
quantitative way and has made some real howler statements over the
years about it. He's a businessman primarily.

Bill Gates is a "software engineer" too but the last piece of
commercial software he had a direct hand in designing or writing
code for was what, Windows 1.0?



Yet both of them had the vision to conceptualize and make into a
reality some very nice 'things'.

Just like Arnie learned to act and the director of Conan was VERY
pissed that he had to train him on the job. Both of the players you
mention learn as they go pretty well.

I can think of at least one person whom does not and is a failure
yet touts himself as being as close to a supreme being as it gets.
He spouts gaffs all the time and folks seem to not even notice.
Likely going to embroil us into the world's next war too.

But folks would rather post a vid of Musk dancing aloof and make
jokes on him than a vid of Trump crying to the leaders in Scotland
about how bad win turbines are.

At least among the people I associate with around 40 and under Musk is
considered a somewhat typical if unpleasant and probably rather amoral
egomaniac playboy-billionaire-tycoon of likely at least average
intelligence while the other guy is considered an actively dangerous and
malicious moron.

Yep... we live in an ass backwards world... one must struggle
through the mire on a daily basis just to survive.

The man who lives down the street from me with cerebral palsy who'll be
confined to a wheelchair the rest of his life and has to use a special
prosthetic just to type an email has to "struggle to survive" I figure I
got things pretty good by comparison...

 

bitrex <user@example.net> wrote in
news:vjWRF.151725$QU2.106018@fx01.iad:

The man who lives down the street from me with cerebral palsy
who'll be confined to a wheelchair the rest of his life and has to
use a special prosthetic just to type an email has to "struggle to
survive" I figure I got things pretty good by comparison...

Lemmie know when he performs Like Hawking did.

 

[Whoey Louie]

On Thursday, January 9, 2020 at 2:21:12 PM UTC-5, DecadentLinux...@decadence.org wrote:

Whoey Louie <trader4@optonline.net> wrote in
news:d6799dff-524b-48bd-934e-4b9922f145a1@googlegroups.com:

On Wednesday, January 8, 2020 at 1:01:08 PM UTC-5,
DecadentLinux...@decadence.org wrote:
Whoey Louie <trader4@optonline.net> wrote in
news:9cc91345-8084-44f2-81e4-79ca0180745b@googlegroups.com:

On Tuesday, January 7, 2020 at 2:52:08 PM UTC-5,
DecadentLinux...@decadence.org wrote:
Whoey Louie <trader4@optonline.net> wrote in
news:52ca02b9-d062-4554- 8760-a51ba14de409@googlegroups.com:

No, it's the old my way or the highway.

Yeah... you've never exhibited that behavior.

Batteries work. Eventually we will adopt a system that
allows for
zero emmissions traveling. There will be entire cities where
gas driven and large vehicles will not enter, and the large
truck deliveries will get handled at the city fringes, but
will not enter.

Honda has to build and sell cars for today, stupid.

Did you see me EVER reference Honda? You are fucking retarded
boy!

The thread is about Honda and it's focus on hybrids, stupid.

No, you STUPID thread INVADING fucktard! This segment was about a
city without cars.

Wow, that's a stunning lie, even for you, the guy who is wrong, always
wrong.

 

[Whoey Louie]

On Thursday, January 9, 2020 at 2:39:17 PM UTC-5, DecadentLinux...@decadence.org wrote:

Whoey Louie <trader4@optonline.net> wrote in
news:3b9a79bf-db30-4295-aa1d-18061a4024c0@googlegroups.com:

And Honda is having trouble? Honda sold 5.5 mil cars last year,
compared to a few hundred thousand at Tesla. Oh, and Honda
actually makes money, so there's that.....

Honda has sold motorcycles and cars for decades and is a long
established Japanese firm. One of the earlier, legacy companies that
grew in Japan after the war. VERY firmly entrenched, and even if
their entire electric line failed it would not make a dent in them.

Honda's ELECTRIC line did NOT sell 5.5 million cars.

No shit Sherlock, I never said or implied that it did. Only that
Honda clearly is selling a couple of magnitudes more CARS than
Tesla.

So for you to compare a very new company with them is more than a
little lame, and tells us a lot about just how little you know about
corporations, and you have a retarded "trader" email moniker, like it
is your email from some lame trading thing you are or were a part of.

You know fuck all about nothing, boy. Go look up 'fuck all'.

Honda was under attack for not understanding the market, not delivering
what people want. When they are selling 40 times more cars than
Tesla, which has never made a profit, that speaks for itself.

Wrong, always wrong.

 

Whoey Louie <trader4@optonline.net> wrote in
news:35c91bac-d053-4bfe-bc1c-f335b03891e6@googlegroups.com:

No, you STUPID thread INVADING fucktard! This segment was
about a
city without cars.

Wow, that's a stunning lie, even for you, the guy who is wrong,
always wrong.

Read my post. I clearly spoke about a city without cars and you came
back barking bullshit about Hondas.

You are a stunningly stupid retard, and that is quite the achievement
for such a self retarded twit.

 

[Whoey Louie]

On Thursday, January 9, 2020 at 6:43:21 PM UTC-5, Rick C wrote:

On Thursday, January 9, 2020 at 2:04:14 PM UTC-5, Whoey Louie wrote:
On Wednesday, January 8, 2020 at 11:53:00 AM UTC-5, Rick C wrote:
On Wednesday, January 8, 2020 at 10:21:12 AM UTC-5, Whoey Louie wrote:
On Tuesday, January 7, 2020 at 6:11:46 PM UTC-5, Bill Sloman wrote:

The problem is that we have to reduce carbon emissions fast, and to a rather low level - about half a ton of CO2 per person per year.

And hybrids do exactly that. What is better? Someone needs a new car,
they buy a hybrid or a plug-in hybrid or there is no hybrid choice,
so they buy an ICE car, because an electric does not fit their need..
That is the environment we are in today. But you libs, it's the old
my way or the highway.

I guess that's why Tesla is selling every car they can make, literally!

And Honda is having trouble? Honda sold 5.5 mil cars last year, compared
to a few hundred thousand at Tesla. Oh, and Honda actually makes money,
so there's that.....

And their growth rate over the last few years has been what exactly? Tesla has been growing like a weed on steroids.

It's easy to grow fast when you have the govt heavily subsidizing what you
produce and even then, you sell your product at a LOSS. Go look at the long,
long list of early auto companies that failed.



Of course they haven't been focused on profits, they've been a startup. They are just now transitioning into a more stable mode where profits might happen. Even the former head of GM Bob Lutz who was predicting their eminent failure has now said they are looking good.

https://www.teslarati.com/?s=Bob+Lutz

Oh yeah, the stock is valued at more than GM and Fiat combined.

So weres the stock of Enron, World Comm, Tyco, etc. How did they turn out?
They were total frauds, there are an order of magnitude more genius tech
companies that while not frauds, were valued at the moon and wound up
worth nothing.

They are outselling every BEV, hybrid and and plug-in hybrid offered. In just over two years they've sold more model 3s than Leafs on the road over the last 10 years. They are selling model 3s fast enough to be in the top 20 models sold in 2019, right behind Toyota Corolla.

Kinda hard to say EVs don't fit the needs of car buyers today.

It fits the needs of a small percent of the market. The folks
at The Simpsons had an episode about people like you. The smug,
no it alls, that just know what everyone else should do and how
superior they are. They were portrayed as running around smelling
their own farts.

You act like I've told you what to do. I haven't told anyone what to do,

No, you're just here bemoaning the fact that Honda isn't doing what
YOU claim they should do. Go figure.



in fact, I've publicly said that I don't recommend an EV for anyone at the moment. Buy it if you really want one, but they will only be getting better and unless you have to buy a car now, keep what you have for a few more years.

Then we can all buy EVs and save the planet. lol


A hybrid is a step in the right direction, but doesn't take us as far as we have to go.

Fine. I'll buy an ICE car instead. Happy now?

No one cares what you do or say.

Of course not, but then I'm not the one that came here trying to tell
Honda what they should do, you did that.

As usual, you have your knickers in a knot. lol I've told no one what they should do.

You certainly implied it.




I'm just pointing out the absurdity of Hachiago's statements and the fact that his company will not do well if they aren't making significant EVs in five years when nearly everyone else will be... if they want to survive.

One of the side effects of the bushfires currently burning in eastern Australia is that a lot of highways have been temporarily blocked.

People can burnt to death by driving through a bushfire as it crosses a road.

It nearly happened to me back in 1968 - I drove through bushfire smoke, and fifteen minutes later people who thought that that was what they were doing ended up in flames and dead.

Your way has more risks than you seem to realise.

--
Bill Sloman, Sydney

It's not my way, stupid. It's the way the world is currently operating,
it's the rules in place, which of course is the world that Honda is
selling cars into. And BTW, Honda, unlike Tesla, is profitable. Tesla
has never had a profitable year.

No, but it's still early days.

So, why are you bitching about Honda? Maybe Honda's strategy
is to let the others lose money, make all the mistakes, then when it's
advantageous, enter and compete. How many of the original auto companies
from the turn of the century succeeded?

Honda's CEO Hachiago is the one who indicated he believes there is not demand for battery EVs. So he is the one I am talking about.

There you go, yet you deny it.


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Have you made any money with all that spamming? Maybe that's why you're
so sore, no one wants to pay you.

 

[Rick C]

I guess this thread is dead. The last remaining posters are always wrong 1 and always wrong 2. Rest in peace.

--

Rick C.

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[bitrex]

On 1/10/20 3:34 AM, DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno@decadence.org wrote:

bitrex <user@example.net> wrote in
news:vjWRF.151725$QU2.106018@fx01.iad:

The man who lives down the street from me with cerebral palsy
who'll be confined to a wheelchair the rest of his life and has to
use a special prosthetic just to type an email has to "struggle to
survive" I figure I got things pretty good by comparison...



Lemmie know when he performs Like Hawking did.

With ALS like Hawking had patients usually pass young, he beat the odds
somehow. And for better or worse had a number of years where he
functioned mostly normally. Probably psychologically that's for the worse.

CP affected this guy at a very early age I'm not sure he was ever able
to speak full sentences as Hawking surely did, much less go to a regular
college and get a degree. What it is, is all he's known for the most part.

That's another kind of suck as while his verbal communication is nil he
can read, "write", and understand English at an adult level just fine
and even does some web development. but since he sounds "retarded" when
he tries to talk people tend to treat him that way