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Whoey Louie <trader4@optonline.net> wrote in news:52ca02b9-d062-4554-
8760-a51ba14de409@googlegroups.com:
No, it's the old my way or the highway.
Yeah... you've never exhibited that behavior.
Batteries work. Eventually we will adopt a system that allows for
zero emmissions traveling. There will be entire cities where gas
driven and large vehicles will not enter, and the large truck
deliveries will get handled at the city fringes, but will not enter.
Pretty much will be cash free as well, so no more robberies with that
motive.
Rick C <gnuarm.deletethisbit@gmail.com> wrote in
news:5f70ffd0-3692-495f-9b66-02af5b6981bf@googlegroups.com:
On Tuesday, January 7, 2020 at 2:52:08 PM UTC-5,
DecadentLinux...@decadence.org wrote:
Whoey Louie <trader4@optonline.net> wrote in
news:52ca02b9-d062-4554- 8760-a51ba14de409@googlegroups.com:
No, it's the old my way or the highway.
Yeah... you've never exhibited that behavior.
Batteries work. Eventually we will adopt a system that allows
for
zero emmissions traveling. There will be entire cities where gas
driven and large vehicles will not enter, and the large truck
deliveries will get handled at the city fringes, but will not
enter.
No need to ban large vehicles. There are several companies
designing large semi trucks as EVs, Tesla among them. You've not
seen any of these in the press? All the large trucking companies
are signed up to test drive them because they offer lower costs.
Not banning them or cars. Just will not be allowed to pass the
city perimeter. The city itself is heavy machinery free. No
concrete and steel, bullets or bars. It will be a learning mecca.
With the most learned thing being about how to move electrons
around when and where we want them and how forcefully. Photons too.
No cars or trucks or any ICE machinery at all.
I have always thought that leaf blowers are lame.
Jeroen Belleman <jeroen@nospam.please> wrote in news:qv2vvi$1h5a$1
@gioia.aioe.org:
On 2020-01-07 23:08, DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno@decadence.org
wrote:
[...]
I have always thought that leaf blowers are lame. We have
enough
dust and don't need to be kicking up even more on a daily basis.
Agree! Moreover, around here these things use noisy stinking
two-stroke engines. Disgusting!
Jeroen Belleman
Huge waste of hundreds (thousands?) of gallons of fuel a day.
The dust thing is also a problem. That could be where the thing
that kills us all is lying around waiting to be stirred up, or a
morph of an existing thing.
the name of convenience or comfort. I have no problem with that
unless it affects me or other people OR critters negatively. Cannot
buy or *have* comfort if it involves harm of others, and ignoring it
(the things our brain tells us) should be a lake of fire level
offense.
On Wednesday, January 8, 2020 at 6:05:22 AM UTC+11, Whoey Louie wrote:
On Tuesday, January 7, 2020 at 11:02:03 AM UTC-5, Rick C wrote:
Q (ANE): Honda wants two-thirds of its global sales to come from electrified vehicles by 2030. What is your road to electrification when demand for hybrids and EVs is still undeveloped?
A (Hachiago ): I believe hybrid vehicles will play a critical role. The objective is not electrification, per se, but improving fuel efficiency. And we believe hybrid vehicles are the way to abide by different environmental regulations.
So the head of Honda doesn't get it. Getting better fuel economy isn't the goal at all. Eliminating carbon emissions is the goal. Hybrids are inherently flawed in that for most people they still require burning of fossil fuel. If not, why have the gasoline motor at all?
I say he gets it. Better fuel economy does directly reduce carbon
emissions. Are you so radical that even a small, limited use gas
engine is unacceptable?
The problem is that we have to reduce carbon emissions fast, and to a rather low level - about half a ton of CO2 per person per year.
A hybrid is a step in the right direction, but doesn't take us as far as we have to go.
A small, gas engine that makes the car actually
PRACTICAL, so that more people will buy it? Is it better that consumers
buy a Honda plug-in hybrid or a ICE vehicle? If you want to charge it
mostly with AC, go ahead. If the car is dead and you need to go on
a trip right now, you can. Sounds great to me. Besides, Honda,
unlike radicals, has to actually sell them.
Q: What about full-electric vehicles?
A: Are there really customers who truly want them? Iâm not so sure because there are lots of issues regarding infrastructure and hardware. I do not believe there will be a dramatic increase in demand for battery vehicles, and I believe this situation is true globally. There are different regulations in different countries, and we have to abide by them. So itâs a must to continue R&D. But I donât believe it will become mainstream anytime soon.
Now he doubles down and ignores the rapid increase in fully electric vehicles. Tesla continues to geometrically increase production of BEVs in the US as they start production in China and begin construction on a facility in Germany as other EV companies expand as well. He also talks about the issues of "infrastructure" as if that were somehow an insurmountable problem going forward. I guess if you do nothing about a problem, then it is indeed insurmountable.
I'm wondering where Honda will be in 5 and 10 years time?
Still building cars, that's where.
And mostly electric cars, like everybody else.
There's some irony here. I have trouble tracking the minimal efforts put out by the various vendors, but it seems Honda themselves built 300 of the Honda EV Plus with a 80 to 100 mile range, pretty good for driving locally. That could have become the basis for the Corolla killer if they had stuck with it.
No, it is pretty clear that both for environmental reasons and marketing reasons, hybrids are not the way forward. It's amazing the CEO of a major auto company can't see that.
It's amazing that zealots like you are zealots and can't accept
real progress that is reducing emissions.
Real progress is good, but it needs to take us to zero emissions, and the sooner the better. Australia's bush-fires make the point that even the global warming we've had so far is creating very real problems, and we need to stop the warming as fast as we can.
No, it's not that lots of things can help, leave people and companies free to choose what fits their needs. No, it's the old my way or the highway.
One of the side effects of the bushfires currently burning in eastern Australia is that a lot of highways have been temporarily blocked.
People can burnt to death by driving through a bushfire as it crosses a road.
It nearly happened to me back in 1968 - I drove through bushfire smoke, and fifteen minutes later people who thought that that was what they were doing ended up in flames and dead.
Your way has more risks than you seem to realise.
--
Bill Sloman, Sydney
On Tuesday, January 7, 2020 at 6:11:46 PM UTC-5, Bill Sloman wrote:
The problem is that we have to reduce carbon emissions fast, and to a rather low level - about half a ton of CO2 per person per year.
And hybrids do exactly that. What is better? Someone needs a new car,
they buy a hybrid or a plug-in hybrid or there is no hybrid choice,
so they buy an ICE car, because an electric does not fit their need.
That is the environment we are in today. But you libs, it's the old
my way or the highway.
A hybrid is a step in the right direction, but doesn't take us as far as we have to go.
Fine. I'll buy an ICE car instead. Happy now?
One of the side effects of the bushfires currently burning in eastern Australia is that a lot of highways have been temporarily blocked.
People can burnt to death by driving through a bushfire as it crosses a road.
It nearly happened to me back in 1968 - I drove through bushfire smoke, and fifteen minutes later people who thought that that was what they were doing ended up in flames and dead.
Your way has more risks than you seem to realise.
--
Bill Sloman, Sydney
It's not my way, stupid. It's the way the world is currently operating,
it's the rules in place, which of course is the world that Honda is
selling cars into. And BTW, Honda, unlike Tesla, is profitable. Tesla
has never had a profitable year.
On Tuesday, January 7, 2020 at 2:52:08 PM UTC-5,
DecadentLinux...@decadence.org wrote:
Whoey Louie <trader4@optonline.net> wrote in
news:52ca02b9-d062-4554- 8760-a51ba14de409@googlegroups.com:
No, it's the old my way or the highway.
Yeah... you've never exhibited that behavior.
Batteries work. Eventually we will adopt a system that allows
for
zero emmissions traveling. There will be entire cities where gas
driven and large vehicles will not enter, and the large truck
deliveries will get handled at the city fringes, but will not
enter.
Honda has to build and sell cars for today, stupid.
I'm sure they think you're lame too.
Huge waste of hundreds (thousands?) of gallons of fuel a day.
It's no more a waste than using the gasoline in a car, truck or
lawn mower.
Whoey Louie <trader4@optonline.net> wrote in news:e9cc8f30-cd06-4659-
95c8-fbfb2dd9934b@googlegroups.com:
I'm sure they think you're lame too.
Damn, troll boy! Your posts are fucking getting more lame by the
picosecond! That one was about as mature as a freshly laid turd.
Oh... that's right... You ARE a turd.
Your WHORE MOTHER should be put into prison for failing to flush you,
the moment the severely ass fucked street slut shat you.
On Tuesday, January 7, 2020 at 6:11:46 PM UTC-5, Bill Sloman wrote:
On Wednesday, January 8, 2020 at 6:05:22 AM UTC+11, Whoey Louie wrote:
On Tuesday, January 7, 2020 at 11:02:03 AM UTC-5, Rick C wrote:
Q (ANE): Honda wants two-thirds of its global sales to come from electrified vehicles by 2030. What is your road to electrification when demand for hybrids and EVs is still undeveloped?
A (Hachiago ): I believe hybrid vehicles will play a critical role. The objective is not electrification, per se, but improving fuel efficiency. And we believe hybrid vehicles are the way to abide by different environmental regulations.
So the head of Honda doesn't get it. Getting better fuel economy isn't the goal at all. Eliminating carbon emissions is the goal. Hybrids are inherently flawed in that for most people they still require burning of fossil fuel. If not, why have the gasoline motor at all?
I say he gets it. Better fuel economy does directly reduce carbon
emissions. Are you so radical that even a small, limited use gas
engine is unacceptable?
The problem is that we have to reduce carbon emissions fast, and to a rather low level - about half a ton of CO2 per person per year.
And hybrids do exactly that. What is better? Someone needs a new car,
they buy a hybrid or a plug-in hybrid or there is no hybrid choice,
so they buy an ICE car, because an electric does not fit their need.
That is the environment we are in today. But you libs, it's the old
my way or the highway.
A hybrid is a step in the right direction, but doesn't take us as far as we have to go.
Fine. I'll buy an ICE car instead. Happy now?
Your way has more risks than you seem to realise.
It's not my way, stupid. It's the way the world is currently operating,
it's the rules in place, which of course is the world that Honda is
selling cars into.
And BTW, Honda, unlike Tesla, is profitable. Tesla
has never had a profitable year.
On Wed, 8 Jan 2020 18:03:11 +0000 (UTC),
DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno@decadence.org wrote:
Whoey Louie <trader4@optonline.net> wrote in news:e9cc8f30-cd06-4659-
95c8-fbfb2dd9934b@googlegroups.com:
I'm sure they think you're lame too.
Damn, troll boy! Your posts are fucking getting more lame by the
picosecond! That one was about as mature as a freshly laid turd.
Oh... that's right... You ARE a turd.
Your WHORE MOTHER should be put into prison for failing to flush you,
the moment the severely ass fucked street slut shat you.
Your life seems to center on poop.
That's really strange.
If that were true, you would be fertilizing my pot plants rightOn Wed, 8 Jan 2020 18:03:11 +0000 (UTC),
DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno@decadence.org wrote:
Whoey Louie <trader4@optonline.net> wrote in
news:e9cc8f30-cd06-4659- 95c8-fbfb2dd9934b@googlegroups.com:
I'm sure they think you're lame too.
Damn, troll boy! Your posts are fucking getting more lame by
the
picosecond! That one was about as mature as a freshly laid turd.
Oh... that's right... You ARE a turd.
Your WHORE MOTHER should be put into prison for failing to flush
you,
the moment the severely ass fucked street slut shat you.
Your life seems to center on poop.
That's really strange.
Whoey Louie <trader4@optonline.net> wrote in
news:9cc91345-8084-44f2-81e4-79ca0180745b@googlegroups.com:
On Tuesday, January 7, 2020 at 2:52:08 PM UTC-5,
DecadentLinux...@decadence.org wrote:
Whoey Louie <trader4@optonline.net> wrote in
news:52ca02b9-d062-4554- 8760-a51ba14de409@googlegroups.com:
No, it's the old my way or the highway.
Yeah... you've never exhibited that behavior.
Batteries work. Eventually we will adopt a system that allows
for
zero emmissions traveling. There will be entire cities where gas
driven and large vehicles will not enter, and the large truck
deliveries will get handled at the city fringes, but will not
enter.
Honda has to build and sell cars for today, stupid.
Did you see me EVER reference Honda? You are fucking retarded boy!
jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote in
news:it8d1ftrl6k3njut9bp4ploku9h7ujobrv@4ax.com:
On Wed, 8 Jan 2020 18:03:11 +0000 (UTC),
DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno@decadence.org wrote:
Whoey Louie <trader4@optonline.net> wrote in
news:e9cc8f30-cd06-4659- 95c8-fbfb2dd9934b@googlegroups.com:
I'm sure they think you're lame too.
Damn, troll boy! Your posts are fucking getting more lame by
the
picosecond! That one was about as mature as a freshly laid turd.
Oh... that's right... You ARE a turd.
Your WHORE MOTHER should be put into prison for failing to flush
you,
the moment the severely ass fucked street slut shat you.
Your life seems to center on poop.
That's really strange.
If that were true, you would be fertilizing my pot plants right
now. Because you surely qualify.
On Wednesday, January 8, 2020 at 10:21:12 AM UTC-5, Whoey Louie wrote:
On Tuesday, January 7, 2020 at 6:11:46 PM UTC-5, Bill Sloman wrote:
The problem is that we have to reduce carbon emissions fast, and to a rather low level - about half a ton of CO2 per person per year.
And hybrids do exactly that. What is better? Someone needs a new car,
they buy a hybrid or a plug-in hybrid or there is no hybrid choice,
so they buy an ICE car, because an electric does not fit their need.
That is the environment we are in today. But you libs, it's the old
my way or the highway.
I guess that's why Tesla is selling every car they can make, literally!
Kinda hard to say EVs don't fit the needs of car buyers today.
A hybrid is a step in the right direction, but doesn't take us as far as we have to go.
Fine. I'll buy an ICE car instead. Happy now?
No one cares what you do or say.
One of the side effects of the bushfires currently burning in eastern Australia is that a lot of highways have been temporarily blocked.
People can burnt to death by driving through a bushfire as it crosses a road.
It nearly happened to me back in 1968 - I drove through bushfire smoke, and fifteen minutes later people who thought that that was what they were doing ended up in flames and dead.
Your way has more risks than you seem to realise.
--
Bill Sloman, Sydney
It's not my way, stupid. It's the way the world is currently operating,
it's the rules in place, which of course is the world that Honda is
selling cars into. And BTW, Honda, unlike Tesla, is profitable. Tesla
has never had a profitable year.
No, but it's still early days.
So with new sales in Asia and the model Y in production later this year, it is unlikely Tesla won't be able to turn a profit for 2020. Even if they don't, they seem to have the ability to continuously raise capital based on their accomplishments.
In the Tesla forums I am a voice of moderation, not wanting to believe the current stock price bubble is value based. But I can't deny the arguments people put forward about the many accomplishments of Tesla. Still, I think this is a good time to divest of the stock. With the sudden rise from under 200 to 470 I think the stock is overvalued. I will be selling as soon as I reach the long term capital gains holding period... which I have for some of my holdings.
--
Rick C.
--- Get 1,000 miles of free Supercharging
--- Tesla referral code - https://ts.la/richard11209
No, you STUPID thread INVADING fucktard! This segment was about aOn Wednesday, January 8, 2020 at 1:01:08 PM UTC-5,
DecadentLinux...@decadence.org wrote:
Whoey Louie <trader4@optonline.net> wrote in
news:9cc91345-8084-44f2-81e4-79ca0180745b@googlegroups.com:
On Tuesday, January 7, 2020 at 2:52:08 PM UTC-5,
DecadentLinux...@decadence.org wrote:
Whoey Louie <trader4@optonline.net> wrote in
news:52ca02b9-d062-4554- 8760-a51ba14de409@googlegroups.com:
No, it's the old my way or the highway.
Yeah... you've never exhibited that behavior.
Batteries work. Eventually we will adopt a system that
allows for
zero emmissions traveling. There will be entire cities where
gas driven and large vehicles will not enter, and the large
truck deliveries will get handled at the city fringes, but
will not enter.
Honda has to build and sell cars for today, stupid.
Did you see me EVER reference Honda? You are fucking retarded
boy!
The thread is about Honda and it's focus on hybrids, stupid.
I have a relative (the jet fighter pilot) who uses the s-word
constantly. It makes no sense and offends people.
Your personality in this group offends people.
And Honda is having trouble? Honda sold 5.5 mil cars last year,
compared to a few hundred thousand at Tesla. Oh, and Honda
actually makes money, so there's that.....
It fits the needs of a small percent of the market. The folks
at The Simpsons had an episode about people like you. The smug,
no it alls, that just know what everyone else should do and how
superior they are. They were portrayed as running around smelling
their own farts.
jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote in
news:1vie1f9mjj13sel6qtllakdbu9g4ufkb8f@4ax.com:
I have a relative (the jet fighter pilot) who uses the s-word
constantly. It makes no sense and offends people.
Your personality in this group offends people.