OT: Epstein: 'Conspiracy theorists' proved right again

[Whoey Louie]

On Monday, August 12, 2019 at 4:52:14 AM UTC-4, bitrex wrote:

On 8/11/19 10:43 PM, Bill Sloman wrote:

The American standard of living declined severely in the last several decades?
Several decades ago I didn't see McMAnsions all over the place, I didn't
see three or four SUVS or vehicles in driveways, the high school parking
lot wasn't a traffic jam exiting, many homes didn't have AC, they didn't
have 3 or 4 TVs with 150 cable channels, people didn't have several computers, cell phones..... Yes, the country sure has gone down hill in standard of living.

The average American lives better, the median American lives worse.

Trader4 is dumb enough not to understand how a skewed income distibution looks like.

The people with three or four SUVs in their driveways are more visible that people who have less.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Spirit_Level_(book)

spells it all out, but the authors use long words.

snipped the signature line


True, but related there's little statistical evidence that the average
of Trump voters are any more or less worse off than anyone else.

in any case polling show Republican's take on how the economy or
standards of living actually are is infantile; if a Republican is
president it's all great and if not it's all bad. It changes literally
overnight without regard for any real-world numbers.

That's pretty much true. The economy has improved under Trump, but the
trumpets won't acknowledge that if you look at graphs, it's a continuation
of a straight line improvement in the numbers since 2009. We just had a
2.5% GDP quarter, not a peep of complaint from the trumpets, while that
kind of number under Obama was supposed to be horrific. They also mostly
falsely claim that the economy was in recession during OBama's entire two
terms, when it actually ended in 2009. And they grossly and unfairly distort
the record, like complaining about jobs lost, manufacturing jobs lost during
the OBama years, without any mention of the horrific plummeting economy
OBama inherited coming into office. Also interesting is how they railed
about deficits and the national debt, but now that the deficits have doubled
under Bush in a good economy and he's already added over $2 tril to the
national debt, not a peep about any of that from trumpets and of course
not from Trump. Sadly looks like we won't be hearing about that from the
Democrats either, they want to focus on providing more free stuff, even as
we're already going broke.

economic/populist arguments for the administration fall flat. The
average Republican is doing just fine. They like him because he is a
fascist and a racist, not because he's a populist capable of some
economic miracle Obama couldn't accomplish. On the numbers that matter
the economy under Obama was meh and it continues to be meh.

I think the economy, which has improved under Trump, and them giving him
far more credit for that due to false perceptions, is playing a large part
in his continued support. But maybe not. I see his support among farmers
is still strong and he's destroyed their businesses and put them on corp
welfare. Go figure.

 

[Cursitor Doom]

On Sun, 11 Aug 2019 19:47:43 -0700, Whoey Louie wrote:

> How would you know, kangaroo humper?

He watches CNN, that's how. Believes all their shit, too.




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[Whoey Louie]

On Monday, August 12, 2019 at 8:00:57 AM UTC-4, DecadentLinux...@decadence.org wrote:

Whoey Louie <trader4@optonline.net> wrote in
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Sure is. But the statute covering handling of classified material
does not say that there needs to be any intent. Just being
negligent is all that's required. Just like the Navy submariner
was not intending to expose any secrets. Funny how he gets
charges, Hillary gets a pass, eh?



He did not get charged because he had a pic on his phone, idiot.
He got charged for taking the picture to start with, which is what is
NOT permitted.

Irrelevant of course. He was charged under the same statute that Hillary
should have been charged with. Hillary should have been charged for negligently
handling classified emails. But she's rich and powerful and a Democrat,
so a different standard of justice applies.

 

[Whoey Louie]

On Monday, August 12, 2019 at 7:52:04 AM UTC-4, DecadentLinux...@decadence.org wrote:

Whoey Louie <trader4@optonline.net> wrote in news:8fb64fa2-6b6c-4f33-
b89d-00ae52906a64@googlegroups.com:

being backed up God knows where, at unsecure,
unapproved facilities.

They were not doing remote backups then, you fucking idiot.
All of her backups, if any to start with, were done locally.

Wrong, always wrong. The backups were at several locations around
the country and there is no question that they existed, the investigations
established that as fact. One server was housed in the bathroom of
a loft at some company. That's where classified info wound up. And
then you claimed that it was never hacked. That's not true, all we know
is they could find no evidence that it was hacked. But none of those
facilities were secure, it would have been easy for a foreign agent to
simply physically copy her files, no hacking into a system required.

But keep trying to make excuses.

You are an abject idiot. Your whore mother has no excuse for her
crime of failing to flush you, the moment the severely ass fucked
street slut shat you. You will have to take your retarded, petty
mumblings somewhere else, shithead.

Please, do try to get some help.

 

[Bill Sloman]

On Monday, August 12, 2019 at 1:23:33 PM UTC+10, Whoey Louie wrote:

On Sunday, August 11, 2019 at 10:52:25 PM UTC-4, Bill Sloman wrote:
On Monday, August 12, 2019 at 12:28:42 PM UTC+10, Whoey Louie wrote:
On Sunday, August 11, 2019 at 9:49:32 PM UTC-4, DecadentLinux...@decadence.org wrote:
Whoey Louie <trader4@optonline.net> wrote in news:cdf88e02-4c07-4145-
aa53-c7ba60953a08@googlegroups.com:

That is a hell of a lot different than a sex
trafficker of a person in office colluding with a foreign (enemy)
entity to affect ANYTHING in our nation.

Hillary colluded with the Russians? Wow!



Nice try, putz boy. I made no reference to her. I referred to
Epstein and Trump, as if your wee wittle bwain is having processing
issues.

Epstein colluded with the Russians? Tell us more? Trump colluded?
After $35 mil and two years, Mueller concluded that there was no evidence
that Trump, anyone in the Trump campaign or any American colluded with
Russia.

A couple of members of the Trump election team have gone to prison for acting for Russian interests within notifying the people they should have done about what they were doing.

Sure, from years ago, before they had anything to do with Trump, Manafort
and Gates worked for pro-Soviet schmucks in Ukraine. Had nothing to do
with any Russian meddling in the election, which was the central allegation,
the whole purpose of the $35 mil, two year investigation. So, they found
those two failed to register as foreign agents. Not the first to do so
and typically all that happens is you file.

That's not the way the New Yorker put it.

Mueller concluded that the Trump team and the Russians hadn't colluded to influence the election - the Trump team were such a bunch of loose cannons that nobody even vaguely sane would include them in any conspiracy.

Hysterical that you say that now, when for two years all the lefties have
been so sure that Trump and his campaign did collude.

What makes you think that? The evidence that the Russians helped Trump has always been pretty clear, but collusion is harder to prove, and this particular leftist (from your point of view) has always thought that Trump was too erratic to be somebody anybody would risk collude=ing with .

The Russians did influence the election, but strictly in their own interests, and the Trump team were avid to pick up and dirt that the Russians might might have leaked to them.

That part you have mostly right, except the Russians were not leaking to
Trump's campaign they were just leaking to the world.

There are specific e-mails within the Trump team that suggested that they thought otherwise.

Mueller didn't conclude that the Trump team hadn't done anything criminal, but did rule out explicit collusion - being dumb enough to be played by the Russians isn't collusion.

He did rule out anything criminal with regard to the election or election
meddling. That was his charter. It's just that the stupid, bitter Democrats
still won't accept it.

He did rule out collusion. The hush money paid to Stormy Daniels was "election meddling" and should have been reported as an election expense. That has got a lot of publicity for obvious reasons. There seem to have been other improprieties going on.

The Democrats don't have to be either stupid or bitter to have hopes of nailing the crook, but they may have to wait until he loses the next election.

--
Bill Sloman, Sydney

 

[Whoey Louie]

On Monday, August 12, 2019 at 8:29:30 AM UTC-4, DecadentLinux...@decadence.org wrote:

bitrex <user@example.net> wrote in
news:HX94F.164297$XI3.73651@fx39.iad:

21st
century American public don't give a shit about GDPs and deficits
and minimum wages and math and charts and graphs and bullshit.

They sure do not care about an idiot's claims of finishing "at the
top of my class". And looking at his business failings and
manipulations to recover, he is exactly NIL on economic prowess, and
absolutely NIL on global economic structure and acumen. The
motherfucker was stupid enough to think running a pyramid scam was
"good business practice". He is an NYC landlord punk and nothing
more.

He is the absolute worst individual for the job there could have
ever been. Americans are the most stupid humans in existence (the
Trumpanzee idiot group).

It's too bad the Democrats picked an even more defective candidate,
so bad that she lost against the orange clown. Even worse, they are
in the process of repeating the same mistake. Open borders, giving
free stuff to people who won't work, free healthcare for illegal aliens,
a bunch of radical leftists, except Joe who seems to be having early
signs of dementia. So don't be surprised if the same thing happens again.

 

DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno@decadence.org wrote in news:qis9ab$vgg$2
@gioia.aioe.org:

Whoey Louie <trader4@optonline.net> wrote in
news:14a10737-89a0-465c-8301-d35196c21b7d@googlegroups.com:

We just had a
2.5% GDP quarter, not a peep of complaint from the trumpets, while
that kind of number under Obama was supposed to be horrific.

Good point.

The good point being that the trumpets also change and the
'horified trumpeters' were trying to make Obama look bad, while in
this case, with Trumpanzee trumpeters, nothing can be said. Can't
trumpet about a flat period being good without getting busted for it.
Oh looky! That is what we did to Trump for his trumpeting.

Humpty Trumpty sat on a fake facts wall,
Humpty Trumpty had a great character fail fall,
All Trumpty's lies and all of Trumpty's men (cough)
couldn't put Trumpty's kingdom together again.

 

Whoey Louie <trader4@optonline.net> wrote in
news:434ae82e-585b-4d18-8d92-9fda17149e3d@googlegroups.com:

Open borders, giving
free stuff to people who won't work, free healthcare for illegal
aliens, a bunch of radical leftists, except Joe who seems to be
having early signs of dementia. So don't be surprised if the same
thing happens again.

Somebody should put an eye on you, boy. You startin' to spout some
hate there, supremecist Trumpanzee chump!

You need to be pointed out to the boys that look into jackasses
like you.

No list required, chucko.

I hope they do a fool body cavity search on you. We'll get the cop
from Wayne's World on your ass.

 

Whoey Louie <trader4@optonline.net> wrote in news:434ae82e-585b-4d18-
8d92-9fda17149e3d@googlegroups.com:

It's too bad the Democrats picked an even more defective candidate,
so bad that she lost against the orange clown.

No. She didn't. I took the corrupted Electoral college to put the
lard assed criminal in office.

 

Whoey Louie <trader4@optonline.net> wrote in
news:14a10737-89a0-465c-8301-d35196c21b7d@googlegroups.com:

We just had a
2.5% GDP quarter, not a peep of complaint from the trumpets, while
that kind of number under Obama was supposed to be horrific.

Good point.

 

[bitrex]

On 8/12/19 9:32 AM, Whoey Louie wrote:

economic/populist arguments for the administration fall flat. The
average Republican is doing just fine. They like him because he is a
fascist and a racist, not because he's a populist capable of some
economic miracle Obama couldn't accomplish. On the numbers that matter
the economy under Obama was meh and it continues to be meh.

I think the economy, which has improved under Trump, and them giving him
far more credit for that due to false perceptions, is playing a large part
in his continued support. But maybe not. I see his support among farmers
is still strong and he's destroyed their businesses and put them on corp
welfare. Go figure.

So here's a thing about Rhode Island:

<https://www.usnews.com/news/best-states/rhode-island/articles/2019-07-19/president-trump-tweets-about-rhode-island-gov-raimondo>

<https://www.providencejournal.com/news/20190516/ri-based-jobs-increase-but-labor-force-continues-to-fall>

They're both partially right. It's not all due to Trump, but I can't
deny Trump has probably been good for Rhode Island.

Providence is like a Rust Belt city that's been transported 1000 miles
east but for many decades solidly part of the Rust Belt of former
industrial cities that went into massive decline in the 70s and 80s.

Difference is Providence in 2019 is a gem as compared to other
similar-sized rust belt cities like Dayton OH or Erie PA, and I think
it's gotten even better in the past couple years. Fewer homeless out on
the street. One of the welfare/public assistance centers has closed
there's not enough clientele. There are street fairs and events every
weekend in the summer packed with people having fun and spending cash.

"Friedman says Raimondo is 'my kind of Democrat,' because of her focus
on jobs."

Right so instead going on about Baltimore's supposed failings all the
time it's strange that Trump is trying to triangulate with Raimondo to
get at Friedman and antagonize one more formerly down-on-its-luck town
than pointing it out as a success story whenever he got the chance. I
mean, if it were really about "the economy" I think that would be a
smart move, at least.

 

[John Robertson]

On 2019/08/12 11:45 a.m., Whoey Louie wrote:

On Monday, August 12, 2019 at 1:59:24 PM UTC-4, DecadentLinux...@decadence.org wrote:
Whoey Louie <trader4@optonline.net> wrote in news:434ae82e-585b-4d18-
8d92-9fda17149e3d@googlegroups.com:

It's too bad the Democrats picked an even more defective candidate,
so bad that she lost against the orange clown.

No. She didn't. I took the corrupted Electoral college to put the
lard assed criminal in office.

There you go again. There is nothing corrupted about the electoral college,
it worked just like it's worked for two centuries. You just don't like
the result. The Democrats lost because they picked an unfit throwback
to the past. They are in the process of making an even bigger mistake
this time with a bunch of crazy libs and old Joe, who's losing his marbles.
Maybe you can get with them, give them some good, calm, advice?

If the Electoral College is so great why has no other democracy copied it?

https://people.howstuffworks.com/10-countries-besides-us-have-electoral-colleges.htm

Just asking...

John

 

[Whoey Louie]

On Monday, August 12, 2019 at 1:59:24 PM UTC-4, DecadentLinux...@decadence.org wrote:

Whoey Louie <trader4@optonline.net> wrote in news:434ae82e-585b-4d18-
8d92-9fda17149e3d@googlegroups.com:

It's too bad the Democrats picked an even more defective candidate,
so bad that she lost against the orange clown.

No. She didn't. I took the corrupted Electoral college to put the
lard assed criminal in office.

There you go again. There is nothing corrupted about the electoral college,
it worked just like it's worked for two centuries. You just don't like
the result. The Democrats lost because they picked an unfit throwback
to the past. They are in the process of making an even bigger mistake
this time with a bunch of crazy libs and old Joe, who's losing his marbles.
Maybe you can get with them, give them some good, calm, advice?

 

[Nomen Nescio]

John Robertson <spam@flippers.com> wrote:

On 2019/08/12 11:45 a.m., Whoey Louie wrote:
On Monday, August 12, 2019 at 1:59:24 PM UTC-4, DecadentLinux...@decadence.or
g wrote:
Whoey Louie <trader4@optonline.net> wrote in news:434ae82e-585b-4d18-
8d92-9fda17149e3d@googlegroups.com:

It's too bad the Democrats picked an even more defective candidate,
so bad that she lost against the orange clown.

No. She didn't. I took the corrupted Electoral college to put the
lard assed criminal in office.

There you go again. There is nothing corrupted about the electoral college,
it worked just like it's worked for two centuries. You just don't like
the result. The Democrats lost because they picked an unfit throwback
to the past. They are in the process of making an even bigger mistake
this time with a bunch of crazy libs and old Joe, who's losing his marbles.
Maybe you can get with them, give them some good, calm, advice?


If the Electoral College is so great why has no other democracy copied it?

https://people.howstuffworks.com/10-countries-besides-us-have-electoral-colleges.htm

Just asking...

americas a republic not a democracy

 

[Whoey Louie]

On Monday, August 12, 2019 at 2:53:43 PM UTC-4, John Robertson wrote:

On 2019/08/12 11:45 a.m., Whoey Louie wrote:
On Monday, August 12, 2019 at 1:59:24 PM UTC-4, DecadentLinux...@decadence.org wrote:
Whoey Louie <trader4@optonline.net> wrote in news:434ae82e-585b-4d18-
8d92-9fda17149e3d@googlegroups.com:

It's too bad the Democrats picked an even more defective candidate,
so bad that she lost against the orange clown.

No. She didn't. I took the corrupted Electoral college to put the
lard assed criminal in office.

There you go again. There is nothing corrupted about the electoral college,
it worked just like it's worked for two centuries. You just don't like
the result. The Democrats lost because they picked an unfit throwback
to the past. They are in the process of making an even bigger mistake
this time with a bunch of crazy libs and old Joe, who's losing his marbles.
Maybe you can get with them, give them some good, calm, advice?


If the Electoral College is so great why has no other democracy copied it?

https://people.howstuffworks.com/10-countries-besides-us-have-electoral-colleges.htm

Just asking...

John

The claim was that the Electoral College was "corrupt". It's not.
That other democracies haven't copied it is irrelevant. One key
factor is that the US is formed around states across a diverse country
spanning 3000 miles. Clearly we're no Sweden. And the founders wanted
state's rights to be represented, so they came up with a system to do
that. It's all been well and good until recently, when some crybabies
refuse to accept the results.

 

[bitrex]

On 8/12/19 9:32 AM, Whoey Louie wrote:

economic/populist arguments for the administration fall flat. The
average Republican is doing just fine. They like him because he is a
fascist and a racist, not because he's a populist capable of some
economic miracle Obama couldn't accomplish. On the numbers that matter
the economy under Obama was meh and it continues to be meh.

I think the economy, which has improved under Trump, and them giving him
far more credit for that due to false perceptions, is playing a large part
in his continued support. But maybe not. I see his support among farmers
is still strong and he's destroyed their businesses and put them on corp
welfare. Go figure.

Americans are not intrinsically opposed to socialism by any means.
National socialism is a kind of socialism.

 

[Rick C]

On Monday, August 12, 2019 at 2:45:31 PM UTC-4, Whoey Louie wrote:

On Monday, August 12, 2019 at 1:59:24 PM UTC-4, DecadentLinux...@decadence.org wrote:
Whoey Louie <trader4@optonline.net> wrote in news:434ae82e-585b-4d18-
8d92-9fda17149e3d@googlegroups.com:

It's too bad the Democrats picked an even more defective candidate,
so bad that she lost against the orange clown.

No. She didn't. I took the corrupted Electoral college to put the
lard assed criminal in office.

There you go again. There is nothing corrupted about the electoral college,
it worked just like it's worked for two centuries. You just don't like
the result.

Yes, I have never liked the idea that a handful of "key" states determine the Presidential election. It should be 1 man/woman, 1 vote like we do in all our other elections.

We are working to fix this. There is an effort called the National Popular Vote Interstate Compact in which states commit to assigning all their electoral votes to the winner of the national popular vote. Once enough states have signed to make it effective in deciding the Presidential election it will take effect.

It's not about Republican vs. Democrat or liberal vs. conservative. It's about letting the people choose our President.

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[John Robertson]

On 2019/08/12 1:18 p.m., Whoey Louie wrote:

On Monday, August 12, 2019 at 2:53:43 PM UTC-4, John Robertson wrote:
On 2019/08/12 11:45 a.m., Whoey Louie wrote:
On Monday, August 12, 2019 at 1:59:24 PM UTC-4, DecadentLinux...@decadence.org wrote:
Whoey Louie <trader4@optonline.net> wrote in news:434ae82e-585b-4d18-
8d92-9fda17149e3d@googlegroups.com:

It's too bad the Democrats picked an even more defective candidate,
so bad that she lost against the orange clown.

No. She didn't. I took the corrupted Electoral college to put the
lard assed criminal in office.

There you go again. There is nothing corrupted about the electoral college,
it worked just like it's worked for two centuries. You just don't like
the result. The Democrats lost because they picked an unfit throwback
to the past. They are in the process of making an even bigger mistake
this time with a bunch of crazy libs and old Joe, who's losing his marbles.
Maybe you can get with them, give them some good, calm, advice?


If the Electoral College is so great why has no other democracy copied it?

https://people.howstuffworks.com/10-countries-besides-us-have-electoral-colleges.htm

Just asking...

John

The claim was that the Electoral College was "corrupt". It's not.
That other democracies haven't copied it is irrelevant. One key
factor is that the US is formed around states across a diverse country
spanning 3000 miles. Clearly we're no Sweden. And the founders wanted
state's rights to be represented, so they came up with a system to do
that. It's all been well and good until recently, when some crybabies
refuse to accept the results.

I didn't say it was corrupt but it does appear to have serious problems:

https://www.britannica.com/topic/electoral-college

Every human political system needs tuning/upgrading as time goes by.
What worked for rich folks in the old days may not be best for the
average middle-class person today.

That is why we have elections, isn't it?

John :-#)#

 

[bitrex]

On 8/12/19 9:37 AM, Whoey Louie wrote:

On Monday, August 12, 2019 at 8:29:30 AM UTC-4, DecadentLinux...@decadence.org wrote:
bitrex <user@example.net> wrote in
news:HX94F.164297$XI3.73651@fx39.iad:

21st
century American public don't give a shit about GDPs and deficits
and minimum wages and math and charts and graphs and bullshit.

They sure do not care about an idiot's claims of finishing "at the
top of my class". And looking at his business failings and
manipulations to recover, he is exactly NIL on economic prowess, and
absolutely NIL on global economic structure and acumen. The
motherfucker was stupid enough to think running a pyramid scam was
"good business practice". He is an NYC landlord punk and nothing
more.

He is the absolute worst individual for the job there could have
ever been. Americans are the most stupid humans in existence (the
Trumpanzee idiot group).


It's too bad the Democrats picked an even more defective candidate,
so bad that she lost against the orange clown. Even worse, they are
in the process of repeating the same mistake. Open borders, giving
free stuff to people who won't work, free healthcare for illegal aliens,
a bunch of radical leftists, except Joe who seems to be having early
signs of dementia. So don't be surprised if the same thing happens again.

in fact neither sleepy joe or the orange clown could seem to recall or
even knew where the two recent shootings happened they were just tossing
out names lol. toledo? michigan? akron? What's my name? Sue? Larry?
anybody?

 

[Bill Sloman]

On Monday, August 12, 2019 at 11:31:02 PM UTC+10, Cursitor Doom wrote:

On Sun, 11 Aug 2019 19:47:43 -0700, Whoey Louie wrote:

How would you know, kangaroo humper?

He watches CNN, that's how. Believes all their shit, too.

Oddly enough, I don't watch CNN. Their shit may disagree with the shit that Cursitor Doom favours, which is not evidence that CNN gets stuff wrong.

If Cursiotr Doom had any more brains in his head than Trader4, he'd know that the highly skewed (and getting more skewed) income distribution in the US has been of interest to economists for some years now, and there are all sort of ways of getting informed on the subject, none of which Cursitor Doom nor Trader4 have any kind of clue about.

--
Bill Sloman, Sydney