OT: Bush Thugs Rough Up Grieving Mother of KIA

[Rich Grise]

On Wednesday 22 September 2004 09:27 am, Clarence did deign to grace us with
the following:

"Mark Fergerson" <nunya@biz.ness> wrote in message
news:n0h4d.288085$Lj.75506@fed1read03...
You: I was looking for a memetic explanation.

Me: There, see? You're trying to see everything in terms of one way of
gaining "understandings". That's enough to set off what you describe
below:

You: The brain hardware has evolved to maximise traits best for
replicating. The best traits to copy, i.e. ones that have a good
probability of being replicatied, are usually traits that are already
popular, as in why, are they at all if not already successful? If a
trait is observed a little, the hardware kicks in and starts copying
those traits, irrespective of whether or not such traits are correct or
not. This is the bandwagon effect. Typical examples are, "lets get the
nigger". I know, I once had 30 school kids, when I was at school, chase
me for a mile.

Me: Ever witness a flock of birds "mobbing" a predator, or even a
similarly-niched competitor of another species?

Or is it the normal members of a society cleansing it's self of a "sport?"
How darwinian.

Mark seems to be talking about the "Let's get the guy in the zoot suit"
mob mentality. What I get about memes, it doesn't sound like a meme would
be that, um, for lack of a better term, "Prompt." That particular thing,
I think, is more accurately called something like mob hysteria. A meme
is something like "the world is flat."

Or maybe not.

But he's off the mark about Keven/the NG/triggered responses here. All
people were doing was trying to tell Kevin, "hey, I went to check out
your theory, and I couldn't even get through the first couple of paragraphs
of your writing to find out what it is to critique."

And Kevin went ballistic, because his "I'm under attack" meme got triggered,
and he went into defensive mode.

But Kevin has never been under attack, except maybe by Guy Macon, which is
kind of like being attacked by Snuggles(tm), no offense, Guy.

I'd like to see a discussion of imprints. They're even more insidious
than memes, because they're preverbal.

Any takers?

Thanks,
Rich

 

[Guy Macon]

Paul Burridge <pb@notthisbit.osiris1.co.uk> says...

Guy Macon <http://www.guymacon.com> wrote:

The truth that you *aren't* smarter than the vast array of experts
who reject your theories.

Not smart at all. Just a conceited and arrogant wanker.

The truth that you substiture namecalling and personal attacks for
logic and reason.

Quite. Here's how the whole thing started, and it's just as you say:

Rich Grise:

"Well, having just now finished the first paragraph of your infamous
"paper,"
http://www.anasoft.co.uk/replicators/index.html
I think I'd better advise you, that if you want your credibility as
a scientific researcher, or even as a writer, you'd better learn
to proofread, or hire somebody.

Hey! I'll proofread your website for $100.00/page. Sound like a
deal?"

(A harmless enough quip, which might have gone unnoticed, but to which
Kevin replied

"Like, I care about your opinion?
Now go away."

And the rest is history. If Kevin had simply said, "yeah, there are
some bits I need to tidy up when I get around to it" then that would
have been the end of it. But he had to put his foot in it. And he only
dug himself in deeper with his repeated insistence that there was
nothing inherently wrong with his "papers" bar a couple of typos!

Now the world and his wife know all about Kevin's "papers" and he has
only himself to blame for it, in truth.

His behavior was especially dimwitted when you consider that
everyone here knows that Rich Grise likes to make such harmless
quips, and doesn't mind when he is the target of harmless quips.

 

[Rich Grise]

On Wednesday 22 September 2004 09:27 am, Clarence did deign to grace us with
the following:

Or is it the normal members of a society cleansing it's self of a "sport?"
How darwinian.

I hereby chastize you FIVE DEMERITS for not only the egregious misuse of an
apostrophe, but using it when it's the wrong word whichever way you misuse
it, in a two-word phrase that's not even correct English, and omitting the
word that belongs there.

And TWO DEMERITS for failure to capitalize "Darwinian."

Rich Grise, Self-Appointed Chief,
Apostrophe Police

 

[Spehro Pefhany]

On Wed, 22 Sep 2004 18:51:46 -0700, the renowned John Larkin
<jjlarkin@highlandSNIPtechTHISnologyPLEASE.com> wrote:

On Wed, 22 Sep 2004 17:21:54 GMT, "Genome" <genome@nothere.net> wrote:


"Guy Macon" <http://www.guymacon.com> wrote in message
news:10l2sol238int44@news.supernews.com...

Paul Burridge <pb@notthisbit.osiris1.co.uk> says...

Anyway, your feedback record seems to indicate that you're really
a jolly nice, well-regarded chap. ;-)

http://feedback.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewFeedback&userid=jjlarkin

Not bad, but the sample size is small. I haven't had any negs in
the last 136 transactions either:


http://feedback.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewFeedback&userid=www_dot_guymac
on_dot_com




Burridge mentions the percieved buying record.

Macon has to mention his percieved better one

Hmmm.

DNA



Guy is mad at me for insulting him. I don't remember doing it, and
can't find the post, but I sure hope I acqitted myself well.

John

Maybe the one where you suggested he complain to his mother?

Or the joke about his post about not making sense not making sense?

Or maybe even the one where you asked him what he was working on these
days?

Whatever it was, you must have acquitted yourself well, because there
was no conviction there.

Best regards,
Spehro Pefhany
--
"it's the network..." "The Journey is the reward"
speff@interlog.com Info for manufacturers: http://www.trexon.com
Embedded software/hardware/analog Info for designers: http://www.speff.com

 

[Charles Elliot]

In article <10kq0vjeq44gm75@news.supernews.com>,
dated Sat, 18 Sep 2004 20:47:34 -0700,
Guy Macon <http://www.guymacon.com>, <Guy Macon <http://www.guymacon.com>> says...

I hope this helps...

Guy Macon you are a big fatty clueless dick headed moron :
http://www.guymacon.com/IMAGE/GUY128.JPG

 

[Rich Grise]

On Wednesday 22 September 2004 01:52 pm, Clarence did deign to grace us with
the following:

"Kevin Aylward" <salesEXTRACT@anasoft.co.uk> wrote in message
news:Lrj4d.57774$U04.21779@fe1.news.blueyonder.co.uk...

You seem to good at one thing, name calling.

I will shut up if and when I decide, you have no credibility to recommend
or to order.

Well, you're doing a bang-up job of ignoring the thread, as you promised
only a few posts ago.

Asshole.

If you promise you're going away, you should honor that promise, otherwise
you're nothing but a politician.

Good Luck,
Rich

 

[Rich Grise]

On Tuesday 21 September 2004 01:58 am, Kevin Aylward did deign to grace us
with the following:

Rich Grise wrote:
On Monday 20 September 2004 02:43 pm, Kevin Aylward did deign to
grace us with the following:

"Replicator" as the real physical machine that replicates Replicants.
Dawkins 'replicator' is referred here as a Replicant, that is, as a
passive entity that gets copied.

This view may be better illustrated by the following.

1 Put DNA in a culture dish. Can it replicate itself or its genes?

Not without a bunch of support machinery, both biological and
technological.

DNA is a self replicating machine. It does this with no help from
anybody, as in the usual sense meant by such a statement. There was no
technology in the days of the primal soup 4 billion years ago.

Can you give a reference for that claim? Or at least, tell me how you know?

2 Put a phrase in a dish. Can it replicate itself?

3 Put a gene in a dish. Can it replicate itself?

Duh. Put one in a newsgroup, and see what happens!

People copy memes. It needs *physical* hardware to copy memes.

So now people aren't "physical?"

??????
Rich

 

[Phil Hobbs]

John Larkin wrote:

On Wed, 22 Sep 2004 16:09:22 -0700, Jim Thompson
thegreatone@example.com> wrote:


On 22 Sep 2004 15:29:56 -0700, Winfield Hill
Winfield_member@newsguy.com> wrote:


davez wrote...

Not exactly a photodiode story but: I remember 15 or 20 years
ago working with a friend using an FET in a white ceramic package
that made a great 60 HZ/120 HZ detector when placed on a bench
under a florescent lamp! We spent a few minutes trying to discover
why a circuit with a clean DC supply would have power supply ripple!
Duh! We got a good chuckle out of that.

Had left the gate floating, did we?

I don't have much experience with JFETs, but bipolars will detect IR
straight thru the plastic package, even when properly biased.

TI used to have a line of IR photo diodes that were just like the "D"
plastic BJT package... no windows ;-)

...Jim Thompson



GE's first plastic transistors (cylindrical base with half-cylinder
top part) used a translucent brown epoxy. Just when you had a diffamp
all nicely balanced, the boss would lean over your shoulder (blocking
the light) and it would go bonkers.

They picked up hum from fluorescents, 120 Hz, too.

LED-pumped jfets are used as integrator resets in some nuclear
detector apps. I think this is done at cryo temperatures, too. Charge
injection is roughly nil.

John

I haven't heard of the IR-transmitting-plastic-package problem since the
1970s. Longpass filtering plastic, as used in IR photodiodes and the windows
of IR remote controls, is quite different from normal packaging material.

Novolac epoxy (as used in all modern plastic packages I'm aware of) is very
opaque at all optical wavelengths. Remember when the Sumitomo plant blew up
and we couldn't get parts for awhile? Everyone uses Novolac.

Cheers,

Phil Hobbs

 

[Rich Grise]

On Tuesday 21 September 2004 01:58 am, Kevin Aylward did deign to grace us
with the following:

Rich Grise wrote:
....
Is it a type of qualia? I don't know.

OK, you've stumped me. WTF qualia? My dictionary says, "see quale",
which it doesn't defind.


Oh dear...this is laughable. You make claims about consciousness and
free will yet dont even understand the most basic of the terms used in
the field.

quaˇle ( P ) Pronunciation Key (kwäl)
n. pl. quaˇliˇa (-l-)
A property, such as whiteness, considered independently from things
having the property.

O Frabjous Day! Calloo! Callay!

Strike Up The Brass Band!

Kevin Aylward Has Actually Caught Rich Grise


**** NOT KNOWING SOMETHING !!!!! ****


A Glorious Day Indeed for Ale Wards Throughout The Land!

Rejoice! Rejoice! The God Has Feet Of Clay!


Rich

 

[Dirk Bruere at Neopax]

Charles Elliot wrote:

In article <10kq0vjeq44gm75@news.supernews.com>,
dated Sat, 18 Sep 2004 20:47:34 -0700,
Guy Macon <http://www.guymacon.com>, <Guy Macon <http://www.guymacon.com>> says...




I hope this helps...



Guy Macon you are a big fatty clueless dick headed moron :
http://www.guymacon.com/IMAGE/GUY128.JPG

Well now...
I get netcopped for calling people who download exe files from Usenet suckers.
The Popes Of SED will excommunicate you for this.

--
Dirk

The Consensus:-
The political party for the new millenium
http://www.theconsensus.org

 

[John Larkin]

On Thu, 23 Sep 2004 02:11:09 GMT, Spehro Pefhany
<speffSNIP@interlogDOTyou.knowwhat> wrote:

On Wed, 22 Sep 2004 18:51:46 -0700, the renowned John Larkin
jjlarkin@highlandSNIPtechTHISnologyPLEASE.com> wrote:

On Wed, 22 Sep 2004 17:21:54 GMT, "Genome" <genome@nothere.net> wrote:


"Guy Macon" <http://www.guymacon.com> wrote in message
news:10l2sol238int44@news.supernews.com...

Paul Burridge <pb@notthisbit.osiris1.co.uk> says...

Anyway, your feedback record seems to indicate that you're really
a jolly nice, well-regarded chap. ;-)

http://feedback.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewFeedback&userid=jjlarkin

Not bad, but the sample size is small. I haven't had any negs in
the last 136 transactions either:


http://feedback.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewFeedback&userid=www_dot_guymac
on_dot_com




Burridge mentions the percieved buying record.

Macon has to mention his percieved better one

Hmmm.

DNA



Guy is mad at me for insulting him. I don't remember doing it, and
can't find the post, but I sure hope I acqitted myself well.

John

Maybe the one where you suggested he complain to his mother?

Or the joke about his post about not making sense not making sense?

Or maybe even the one where you asked him what he was working on these
days?

Whatever it was, you must have acquitted yourself well, because there
was no conviction there.

I'd never violate Ohm's Law, or resist arrest.

But I am disappointed that nobody riffed on my "monkey" post, though.

John

 

[Rich Grise]

On Tuesday 21 September 2004 01:58 am, Kevin Aylward did deign to grace us
with the following:

Rich Grise wrote:
On Monday 20 September 2004 01:27 pm, John Woodgate did deign to
grace us with the following:

I read in sci.electronics.design that Guy Macon <http@?.guymacon.com
wrote (in <10kudvkdpqpf118@news.supernews.com&gt about '[OT]: Ping
Kevin Aylward - re your "scientific paper"', on Mon, 20 Sep 2004:

Kevin Aylward <salesEXTRACT@anasoft.co.uk> says...

Simple enough for you?

No. You were asked "What, in one declarative sentence or maybe two,
is your definition of a meme?" and failed to do what was asked.

I must conclude that you are either incapable of following simple
instructions or are unwilling to clearly define "meme."



A meme is, AIUI, a replicating idea, concept or pattern of thought.
But I have not read Dawkins, so that may not be quite right.

Is it a type of qualia? I don't know.

OK, you've stumped me. WTF qualia? My dictionary says, "see quale",
which it doesn't defind.


Oh dear...this is laughable. You make claims about consciousness and
free will yet dont even understand the most basic of the terms used in
the field.

quaˇle ( P ) Pronunciation Key (kwäl)
n. pl. quaˇliˇa (-l-)
A property, such as whiteness, considered independently from things
having the property.

Then I believe I've caught Mr. Woodgate in an error, since "qualia" is
the plural. "Is a pigeon a type of birds?" At least I think that's some
kind of rule anyway.

Thanks,
Rich

 

[Rich Grise]

On Tuesday 21 September 2004 03:14 am, John Woodgate did deign to grace us
with the following:

I read in sci.electronics.design that Kevin Aylward
salesEXTRACT@anasoft.co.uk> wrote (in <m2S3d.44452$U04.31603@fe1.news.b
lueyonder.co.uk&gt about '[OT]: Ping Kevin Aylward - re your "scientific
paper"', on Tue, 21 Sep 2004:

For example, if you take a good
book on abstract algebra, it will be halfway through before the
background is sufficiently addressed to be able to make a proof of the
statement 1 + 1 = 2.

My maths teacher told me that in one of those books, there is a footnote
to that result:

'This result is sometimes useful.'

And if you're allowed to divide by zero, you can make 1 + 1 = anything
you want.


Rich

 

[Guy Macon]

Don Pearce <donald@pearce.uk.com> says...

So if I declare an axiom that black is, in fact white - I can build a
theory that states that all black objects are actually white objects,
and as a useful corollary, all white objects are actually black.

That is how Kevin's logic works - he has built his theory on a pile of
self-referential sand.

You forgot to say that all white objects being actually black
is trivially obvious and that anyone who doesn't agree is a twat.
These additional arguments will, I am sure, convince the entire
world that all white objects are actually black. QED.

 

[Rich Grise]

On Monday 20 September 2004 01:24 am, Kevin Aylward did deign to grace us
with the following:
....

You just don't understand where I'm coming from.
....

Sadly, Kevin, I do understand, all too well. You're making grasping
attempts to explain the workings of Reality while ignoring the whole
substrate upon which Reality is built.

But don't worry, everyone does it to more or less a degree. Even me,
surprise of surprises! But I'm getting better at catching myself at
it.

But, as the most fanatical espouser of Free Will that I know of, I
will continue to insist, of course, that you have absolute freedom
to run your life exactly in the manner of your own choosing, and
the only time it's anybody's business is when it interacts with
them.

And, personally, I'm rather enjoying the interaction, since it
was so easy to get past that unpleasantness after we both started
cluing up.

I was kind of surprised, revealing another of my memes, when I
read the following thing - purported to be a letter to God, and
his answer:
----------------------
Q: I know how to live my own life, who needs you?

A: "You are a being after my own heart. If you continue on this path you
will find who it is you truly are. You then won't need me or my help. You
and I will be as one.. In the meanwhile, use what works for you and
disregard the rest."
------------------------

So, Party on, or whatever it is you guys with "no free will" do. ;-)

Cheers!
Rich

 

[Rich Grise]

On Saturday 18 September 2004 06:41 pm, Michael A. Covington did deign to
grace us with the following:

"Paul Burridge" <pb@notthisbit.osiris1.co.uk> wrote in message
news:e5fpk0p44904c7igfo9is82s8c9p68g1jd@4ax.com...
On Sat, 18 Sep 2004 20:29:33 GMT, donald@pearce.uk.com (Don Pearce)
wrote:

It is not so much that his grammar was poor - there was no formal
grammar, or spelling for that matter, at that time. It was really not
until the time of Johnson that these things were formalised into what
we now recognise as English.

Exactly. Johnson made the first serious attempt to standardise the
spelling of English words. Shakespeare predated him by some 200 odd
years so was free to take whatever licence he wished with the
language. Happily for him and his legacy, it was a sublime
contribution indeed.

But every language has a grammar, a quite rigid one, even if it is an
unwritten dialect spoken in some primitive jungle. What such languages
lack is widespread agreement; you get lots of village-to-village
differences until there is a national educational system, or at least a
body of written literature.

I think if some researcher wants to impress the hell out of everybody
vis-a-vis language, they should learn to understand Octopoidese.

;-)
Cheers!
Rich

 

[Chaos Master]

Ken Smith says:

Dawd Dam Microsoft. The install for ME is really screwed up.

The installer PGFs. Does anyone have any guess as to why?
(Beyond Bill Gates being the son of Satan that is)

Windows ME isn't.
Get Windows 98 SE as it's almost the same, in my experience.

The main differences are the games that are in ME, and IE 5.5 rather than 5.0,
but you can (and should) upgrade to IE 6.0.


--
Chaos MasterŽ, posting from Brazil.
"Two of the most famous products of Berkeley are LSD and Unix. I don't think
that this is a coincidence."
-- Anonymous

"I'd rather be hated for who I am, than loved for who I am not" - Kurt Cobain

The Evanescen(t/ce) HP: http://marreka.no-ip.com

 

[Guy Macon]

Rich Grise <null@example.net> says...

Kevin Aylward did deign to grace us with the following:

Guy Macon wrote:

Kevin Aylward <salesEXTRACT@anasoft.co.uk> says...

I once had 30 school kids, when I was at school, chase me for a mile.

I applaud your decision to start pissing off entire newsgroups
rather than entire classrooms. Much safer.

I didn't start anything. Rich, followed by Porridge did.

Hey, I've never even BEEN to England! You'll have to find somebody
else to blame for pissing off those kids, Kevin.

The fact that in situation after situation Kevin Aylward manages to
enrage large groups of people is certainly something that he should
think about before this trait of his kills him.

 

[Rich Grise]

On Tuesday 21 September 2004 02:03 am, Kevin Aylward did deign to grace us
with the following:

Rich Grise wrote:
On Monday 20 September 2004 12:55 pm, Guy Macon
Kevin Aylward <salesEXTRACT@anasoft.co.uk> says...
You tell me, according to "that which is observed, is that which
replicates the most". What are the replication consequences if I
don't?
I cannot answer because I cannot parse the statement. I can come up
with a half dozen possible interpretations for it. It is unclear.
I think he means, "whatever you see the most of, you're seeing them
because they're prolific."
I'm worried that he finds this profound.
It is. It's otherwise known as "survival of the fittest". When Darwin
came up with it, it revolutionised all understanding of what we humans
are. Never heard of the Scopes trial?

OK, here we finally, after all of this time, claw and scratch our way
through the beebleberry bushes of syntax errors, we get to the crux
of the thing.

"Survival of the Fittest," which I don't actually know if Dr. Darwin
said those exact words, seems to be the generally accepted consequence,
yes.

Howsomever.

Yes, it did revolutionize all understanding of what we humans
_believe_we_are_. Just like that guy with the Earth orbiting the Sun.

But you, and very, very, very many other people seem to think that we're
done.

Indistinguishable from the guy who wanted to close the patent office,
because "everything has already been invented."

You sound like you've discovered that Science is complete, we know
everything there is to know, and that's that, now and ever shall
be, world without end, amen.

This is ludicrous on the face of it, notwithstanding I, personally,
am privy to information that blows all of known science out of the
water.

Naturally, nobody's interested.

This is so big that it gives me delusions of being the Second Coming
of Christ, although there is one self-consistent quale to these self-
delusions: If it were possible for me to be Him, it would simply mean
that so is everybody else, entirely equally so, so so what? ;-)

Cheers!
Rich

 

[Guy Macon]

Rich Grise <null@example.net> says...

...has never been under attack, except maybe by Guy Macon, which is
kind of like being attacked by Snuggles(tm), no offense, Guy.

You are the wind beneath my wings.