OT: Announcement

[John Fields]

On Wed, 03 Nov 2004 21:40:07 GMT, Rich Grise <rich@example.net> wrote:

Great! Give me your best shot! Or is that what you've been doing?

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Hmmm...
I thought I turned that boring, repetitive station off.

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John Fields

 

[Jim Thompson]

On 2 Nov 2004 05:47:59 -0800, Winfield Hill
<whill_a@t_rowland-dotties-harvard-dot.s-edu> wrote:
[snip]

with the right-wing
police-state control-your-life agendas piled high on top.

So how did Massachusetts come to be a church-police state?

...Jim Thompson
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[Frank Bemelman]

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In <pan.2004.11.03.15.41.08.145361@example.net>, on 11/03/04 at 04:34 PM,
Rich Grise <rich@example.net> said:

And I guess it won't have too much immediate effect on me, but I still
weep
for the victims of the invasion.

Well, what a wonderful, bleeding heart comment. Don't forget to be happy
for
those who now enjoy freedoms that they never even dreamed of? They
outnumber
the 'victims' by a huge margin.

Trouble with you and your ilk is that you think freedom is free, and that
just
talking about it makes it happen. Good vs evil is going to spill blood,
and as
was said so eloquently in the past, "the tree of liberty must
occasionally be
refreshed with the blood of patriots."

It is the responsibility of all those who experience and benefit from
freedom,
to share that with all who live on this earth. Can't be done to everyone
all
at once, but sooner or later, we must face down all the tyrants, and all
the
abusive governments and at least try to give their people a taste of what
we
so often take for granted. How selfish would it be to just sit here and
enjoy
all that we have, and not try to share it, in spite of the cost? Have you
no
soul at all?

Try and see the big picture. I expect you would have been out protesting
the
American Revolution because people were choosing to die for what they
believe
in. There will be no peace anywhere until people understand that peace
does
not spring from negotiating with, and trusting evil. That is why this
country
is doomed. Too many bleeding hearts with no guts, and a sad misconception
that just wishing for something will make it happen. Maybe you can get an
EasyBake Oven that way, but peace and freedom require vigilance and a
willingness to sacrifice all if necessary, for the greater good. Once you
show
the wolves that you will not defend your territory, they will tear you
apart.

Spineless people can't stand up for anything.

I need a bucket. To puke.

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[John Fields]

On Wed, 03 Nov 2004 16:48:16 GMT, Rich Grise <rich@example.net> wrote:

On Wed, 03 Nov 2004 06:39:56 -0600, John Fields wrote:

On Wed, 03 Nov 2004 01:07:13 GMT, Rich Grise <rich@example.net> wrote:

On Tue, 02 Nov 2004 16:56:48 -0600, John Fields wrote:

On Tue, 02 Nov 2004 17:05:20 GMT, Rich Grise <rich@example.net> wrote:

Wasn't there some famous guy a couple thousand years ago who said,
"Even as you do unto the least of my brethren, you do unto me."?

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Think about _that_ the next time you feel like flaming someone.

Oh, I do. I fully expect everybody I flame to be able to handle it,

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Which is antithetical to one of your chameleon-like positions about
arrogance and predicting the future, remember?

No. Please refresh my memory, thanks.

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Maybe later.
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and give it back to me in kind.

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"They" may not, but your kindness won't go unrewarded!

Thanks!


And noticing somebody's foolishness
isn't necessarily "flaming" them.

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We're not talking about _noticing_ someone's foolishness and showing
it to them in a way which might help them become less foolish, we're
talking about using that foolishness as a means of achieving
self-aggrandisement by intentionally deprecating the target.
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Oh. OK, I'll have to reevaluate the way I express my innate superiority.


Maybe you could say, "flaming is
in the mind of the beholder."

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You could, and there are any number of other blame-shifting devices
you could use, but whether they'd be true or just attempts to escape
responsibility for your actions is another matter.

When have I ever tried to "escape responsibility" for my actions?
I say what I say, and I take full responsibility for saying it.
People's interpretation of what I say is out of my hands, and
applying self-restraint on myself based on my presumption of what
they can handle would be the height of arrogance - THAT would be
a claim that I'm so superior that I know what's best for them,
which just happens to coincide with how you'd have me be, apparently.

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I wouldn't "have you be" anything but aware of the inconsistencies in
your "arguments".

For example, you allude to your "innate superiority" which implies
that you're responsible for your actions, aware of what you're doing,
and that you know how to structure an insult as an insult and deliver
it to an intended recipient but then, in the same breath, you go on to
say that when you deliver it, the responsibility for interpreting that
insult as an insult is out of your hands.

Kind of like taking a shot at someone and then blaming them for
getting shot because they didn't, or couldn't, duck.

"Yes, your Honor, I shot at him and I'll take full responsibility for
taking the shot, but it's his fault that he got shot because he didn't
get out of the way of the bullet"
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American bullets, however, are not.
They are in the bodies of the victims.

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AHA! The old "Let's take the heat off of Rich by changing the subject"
trick.

Oh, bullshit. Bring it on! What's the matter, can't take the heat,
and you're projecting your cowardice onto me?

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The heat's on you, not me, Rich. You're no threat, trust me.
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We're talking about you flaming Jim's daughters, not bullets.

Well, you did kind of turn "Gee, poor kid can't get a real job,"
which, as I have patiently attempted to explain to you, is a very
mild generic insult cast at _any_ government employee, and really
quite common amongst us peons, into a "flame," presumably so you
can continue to rag on me.

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If you knew it was an insult, then you should have known that it would
create a negative space which you'd be responsible for which didn't
exist prior to the insult, so why did you find it necessary to cast
what you admit was an insult?
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Remember, sticks and stones can break my bones, but words can
never harm me.

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Not true. Words can break your spirit.
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And I must admit, it isn't George W. Bush I hate - it's the evil that
has him doing its bidding. Bush the man is more pitiable than anything
else.

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Then do something to show _him_ "The Way".

Oh, he'll find out in his own time. As to whether or not he's still
alive when he finds out, I guess, is out of my hands as well.

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Uh-huh... If it's inconvenient, or onerous, it's not something for
Rich to bother getting hung up over.
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And, if the cartel gets reelected, I guess I'll just sit here in my
guruic superiority, and say, "Oh, well, in the Big Picture, it doesn't
matter anyway - they're just fragments of spirits, trying to find their
balance point. The lesson is as intense as it needs to be to learn what
needs to be learned."

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The intensity varies with how much you want to learn and your
resistance to what's flowing through you.
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Yeah, that's it.

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The intensity varies with how much you want to learn and how hard you
resist accepting what you asked for.

Better?

--
John Fields

 

[R. Steve Walz]

Dennis M. O'Connor wrote:

"R. Steve Walz" <rstevew@armory.com> wrote ...
People attacking bigots can never be bigots.

This is so obviously not true,
only an idiot or a troll would say it.
--
Dennis M. O'Connor dmoc@primenet.com
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So then you're saying that those who attack bigots are merely another
kind of bigot? Sounds like a criminal whining that cops are the real
criminals for arresting them??

-Steve
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[R. Steve Walz]

Watson A.Name - "Watt Sun, the Dark Remover" wrote:

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In <418B3FEF.17CF@armory.com>, on 11/05/04 at 08:48 AM,
"R. Steve Walz" <rstevew@armory.com> said:
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Nazi's are Rightists, like Republicans, YOU go read history!


Steve,

You come flying in here this AM with twenty posts spouting all kinds
of
misinformation and that is okay. Everyone seems to want to publicly
embarass
themselves in this group, why would you be any different.

You should be like others, and ignore his off-topic, bigoted crap.
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People attacking bigots can never be bigots.

-Steve
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