OT: Announcement

[Rich Grise]

On Tue, 02 Nov 2004 16:56:48 -0600, John Fields wrote:

On Tue, 02 Nov 2004 17:05:20 GMT, Rich Grise <rich@example.net> wrote:

On Tue, 02 Nov 2004 15:43:05 +0000, Paul Burridge wrote:

On Tue, 02 Nov 2004 13:27:50 GMT, Fred Bloggs <nospam@nospam.com
wrote:

All of his daughters are government employees in one form or another- I
wonder if Thompson told them that government employment is the "ultimate
welfare"?

LOL! It's true, though. All those government/civil service workers
contribute nothing to a country's GDP. They're just deadwood; a drain
on those who do the real work. They make up rules and ensnare the
wealth-makers with red tape and bureaucracy and have the audacity to
pick your pockets for their wages in return! A bum on the street
asking for a dime deserves more respect.

Wasn't there some famous guy a couple thousand years ago who said,
"Even as you do unto the least of my brethren, you do unto me."?

---
Think about _that_ the next time you feel like flaming someone.

Oh, I do. I fully expect everybody I flame to be able to handle it,
and give it back to me in kind. And noticing somebody's foolishness
isn't necessarily "flaming" them. Maybe you could say, "flaming is
in the mind of the beholder." American bullets, however, are not.
They are in the bodies of the victims.

And I must admit, it isn't George W. Bush I hate - it's the evil that
has him doing its bidding. Bush the man is more pitiable than anything
else.

And, if the cartel gets reelected, I guess I'll just sit here in my
guruic superiority, and say, "Oh, well, in the Big Picture, it doesn't
matter anyway - they're just fragments of spirits, trying to find their
balance point. The lesson is as intense as it needs to be to learn what
needs to be learned."

Thanks for the bout!
Rich

 

[Rich Grise]

On Tue, 02 Nov 2004 16:50:37 -0600, John Fields wrote:

On Tue, 02 Nov 2004 17:03:07 GMT, Rich Grise <rich@example.net> wrote:

On Tue, 02 Nov 2004 13:27:50 +0000, Fred Bloggs wrote:



Paul Burridge wrote:


I'm sure she'll only tow the Nazi line her dear old dad has
indoctrinated her into.

All of his daughters are government employees in one form or another- I
wonder if Thompson told them that government employment is the "ultimate
welfare"?

Well, the poor things can't get a real job.

---
Well, Rich, your true colors are starting to show. Yellow.

You know nothing about these women other than that they're Jim's
daughters and that he's proud of them (and rightfully so) but because
of the malice that you bear Jim you attack _them_.

That, from someone who purportedly is striving for enlightenment is
truly disingenuous.

Kerry's ahead, 74-66 at 5:14 PST.



Cheers!
Rich

 

[Rich Grise]

On Tue, 02 Nov 2004 17:03:47 -0600, John Fields wrote:

On Tue, 02 Nov 2004 17:06:06 GMT, Rich Grise <rich@example.net> wrote:

On Tue, 02 Nov 2004 07:23:23 -0700, Jim Thompson wrote:

On Tue, 2 Nov 2004 02:08:37 -0700, Marc 182
marc182spamless@globalcrossing.net> wrote:

In article <ubrco0lbeses3mm3qqqa3gqaq7g8jvnlc6@4ax.com>,
thegreatone@example.com says...
My oldest daughter is a candidate (and most likely winner) for
Chairman of the Republican Party in Yuma County, Arizona ;-)

...Jim Thompson

Congrats. I'm a Dem who grew up in Yuma. It's a flexable county, Dems
and Repubs have done well there now and again. I hope that she herself
remains flexable as well and doesn't feel obligated to tow the party
line.

Marc

Not likely... her husband is Libertarian.


She must be hot! <leer, snort

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"Thou shalt not covet thy neighbor's wife."

Yeah, but there's nothing in there about speculating about the physical
attributes of his married daughter.

If she's married, and employed, I presume she's a grown-up, and able
to take a little ribbing. You didn't notice the "<leer, snort>"?

Oh, yeah, maybe I should mention - I pay no obeisance to Political
Correctness in any guise.

Cheers!
Rich

 

[Tim Williams]

"John Fields" <jfields@austininstruments.com> wrote in message
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LOL! Brings to mind something prophetic which my fourth grade teacher
said, which was that she saw the US slipping into socialism and the
then Soviet Union heading for democracy.

From what I hear that's China at the moment. Seeing as the USSR died...

Most of Europe is already pretty socialist, they probably count better
instead in terms of the above. But no one can say so because it'd be
rubbing their noses in our better-country-ness. :^)

Tim

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[Watson A.Name - \"Watt Su]

"John Fields" <jfields@austininstruments.com> wrote in message
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LOL! Brings to mind something prophetic which my fourth grade teacher
said, which was that she saw the US slipping into socialism and the
then Soviet Union heading for democracy.

That wasn't your teacher talking. I remember this from my school days.
This bit of information was from the Kiplinger Changing Times
newsletter. Your teacher was parroting that newsletter. "..Kiplinger's
Personal Finance (then Changing Times).."
http://www.kiplinger.com/about/

--
John Fields

 

[Watson A.Name - \"Watt Su]

"Jim Thompson" <thegreatone@example.com> wrote in message
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[snip]

Fred, You remain the ultimate village idiot ;-)

Altho you're off the wall when it comes to expressing political views
here, I will agree with you on that one, above.

...Jim Thompson
--

But then everyone should've plonked that silly troll a long time ago.

 

[John Fields]

On Wed, 03 Nov 2004 01:18:27 GMT, Rich Grise <rich@example.net> wrote:

Kerry's ahead, 74-66 at 5:14 PST.

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Don't count your chickens before the fat lady sings.

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--
John Fields

 

[Rich Grise]

On Tue, 02 Nov 2004 22:51:48 -0600, Tim Williams wrote:

"Rich Grise" <rich@example.net> wrote in message
newsan.2004.11.02.05.43.59.57897@example.net...
Remember, Bush is a dangerous liar.

Not as bad as Kerry though. I mean... basically, he simply makes up so many
lies, then presents them and lets the public shoot them up. Eventually a
few turn out to be correct. Which is also how he's campaigned, reminiscent
of the Treehouse of Horror where the space aliens Kang and Kunos(?) abduct
and replace Bill Clinton and Bob Dole in the '96 election. So Kang is
speaking at a podium: "Abortions for none!" "Boooooo!!!!" "Very well,
abortions for all!" "Boooooo!!!!" "Very well; abortions for some,
miniature flags for others!" "Yaayyyyy!!!" Hit and miss like that,
searching for the right spot ... but of course, since he lacks that very
direction, he alienates about as much voter base as he gains.

According to our local luddite, it was the Bush-bashing that turned
so many people off. They wanted to hear something besides "Bush is a nazi,"
I guess.

And I guess it won't have too much immediate effect on me, but I still
weep for the victims of the invasion.

Thanks,
Rich

 

[Rich Grise]

On Wed, 03 Nov 2004 07:39:21 -0700, Jim Thompson wrote:

On 2 Nov 2004 05:47:59 -0800, Winfield Hill
whill_a@t_rowland-dotties-harvard-dot.s-edu> wrote:
[snip]
with the right-wing
police-state control-your-life agendas piled high on top.

So how did Massachusetts come to be a church-police state?

Puritans.

Cheers!
Rich

 

[Rich Grise]

On Wed, 03 Nov 2004 06:39:56 -0600, John Fields wrote:

On Wed, 03 Nov 2004 01:07:13 GMT, Rich Grise <rich@example.net> wrote:

On Tue, 02 Nov 2004 16:56:48 -0600, John Fields wrote:

On Tue, 02 Nov 2004 17:05:20 GMT, Rich Grise <rich@example.net> wrote:

Wasn't there some famous guy a couple thousand years ago who said,
"Even as you do unto the least of my brethren, you do unto me."?

---
Think about _that_ the next time you feel like flaming someone.

Oh, I do. I fully expect everybody I flame to be able to handle it,

---
Which is antithetical to one of your chameleon-like positions about
arrogance and predicting the future, remember?

No. Please refresh my memory, thanks.

and give it back to me in kind.

---
"They" may not, but your kindness won't go unrewarded!

Thanks!

And noticing somebody's foolishness
isn't necessarily "flaming" them.

---
We're not talking about _noticing_ someone's foolishness and showing
it to them in a way which might help them become less foolish, we're
talking about using that foolishness as a means of achieving
self-aggrandisement by intentionally deprecating the target.
---

Oh. OK, I'll have to reevaluate the way I express my innate superiority.

Maybe you could say, "flaming is
in the mind of the beholder."

---
You could, and there are any number of other blame-shifting devices
you could use, but whether they'd be true or just attempts to escape
responsibility for your actions is another matter.

When have I ever tried to "escape responsibility" for my actions?
I say what I say, and I take full responsibility for saying it.
People's interpretation of what I say is out of my hands, and
applying self-restraint on myself based on my presumption of what
they can handle would be the height of arrogance - THAT would be
a claim that I'm so superior that I know what's best for them,
which just happens to coincide with how you'd have me be, apparently.

American bullets, however, are not.
They are in the bodies of the victims.

---
AHA! The old "Let's take the heat off of Rich by changing the subject"
trick.

Oh, bullshit. Bring it on! What's the matter, can't take the heat,
and you're projecting your cowardice onto me?

We're talking about you flaming Jim's daughters, not bullets.

Well, you did kind of turn "Gee, poor kid can't get a real job,"
which, as I have patiently attempted to explain to you, is a very
mild generic insult cast at _any_ government employee, and really
quite common amongst us peons, into a "flame," presumably so you
can continue to rag on me.

Remember, sticks and stones can break my bones, but words can
never harm me.

And I must admit, it isn't George W. Bush I hate - it's the evil that
has him doing its bidding. Bush the man is more pitiable than anything
else.

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Then do something to show _him_ "The Way".

Oh, he'll find out in his own time. As to whether or not he's still
alive when he finds out, I guess, is out of my hands as well.

---

And, if the cartel gets reelected, I guess I'll just sit here in my
guruic superiority, and say, "Oh, well, in the Big Picture, it doesn't
matter anyway - they're just fragments of spirits, trying to find their
balance point. The lesson is as intense as it needs to be to learn what
needs to be learned."

---
The intensity varies with how much you want to learn and your
resistance to what's flowing through you.
---

Yeah, that's it.

Thanks for the bout!

---
Sure.

Cheers!
Rich

 

[Rich Grise]

On Wed, 03 Nov 2004 07:10:47 -0600, John Fields wrote:

On Wed, 03 Nov 2004 01:10:50 GMT, Rich Grise <rich@example.net> wrote:

On Tue, 02 Nov 2004 16:50:37 -0600, John Fields wrote:

You know nothing about these women other than that they're Jim's
daughters and that he's proud of them (and rightfully so) but because
of the malice that you bear Jim you attack _them_.

No, I'm attacking _any_ person who gets a government job,

---
Why? Haven't they the same right to self-determination that you want
for yourself?

Absolutely, and they have voluntarily placed them in a position
that is a well-known target for ridicule.

Aren't these people grown-ups? Geez.

Thanks,
Rich

 

[John Fields]

On Wed, 03 Nov 2004 16:34:19 GMT, Rich Grise <rich@example.net> wrote:

According to our local luddite, it was the Bush-bashing that turned
so many people off. They wanted to hear something besides "Bush is a nazi,"
I guess.

And I guess it won't have too much immediate effect on me, but I still
weep for the victims of the invasion.

---
Crocodile tears.

--
John Fields

 

[John Fields]

On Wed, 03 Nov 2004 16:49:31 GMT, Rich Grise <rich@example.net> wrote:

On Wed, 03 Nov 2004 07:10:47 -0600, John Fields wrote:

On Wed, 03 Nov 2004 01:10:50 GMT, Rich Grise <rich@example.net> wrote:

On Tue, 02 Nov 2004 16:50:37 -0600, John Fields wrote:

You know nothing about these women other than that they're Jim's
daughters and that he's proud of them (and rightfully so) but because
of the malice that you bear Jim you attack _them_.

No, I'm attacking _any_ person who gets a government job,

---
Why? Haven't they the same right to self-determination that you want
for yourself?

Absolutely, and they have voluntarily placed them in a position
that is a well-known target for ridicule.

Aren't these people grown-ups? Geez.

---
The proper targets for ridicule, IMO, are you and your ilk, who
pretend to laissez faire while at the same time berating others for
taking paths which you find unsatisfactory for _your_ journey.

--
John Fields

 

[John Fields]

On Wed, 03 Nov 2004 16:51:04 GMT, Rich Grise <rich@example.net> wrote:

On Wed, 03 Nov 2004 07:14:49 -0600, John Fields wrote:

On Wed, 03 Nov 2004 01:18:27 GMT, Rich Grise <rich@example.net> wrote:


Kerry's ahead, 74-66 at 5:14 PST.



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Don't count your chickens before the fat lady sings.

(-: (-: (-: (-: (-: (-: (-: (-: (-: (-: (-: (-: (-: (-: (-: (-: (-:

Yup, I guess either it _is_ possible to bugger up a whole election,
or there really are that many people that are that stupid.

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Yes, and they almost elected Kerry.
---

Oh, well, reality is what reality is.

---
And, most likely, not at all what it appears to be. ;-)

--
John Fields

 

[Rich Grise]

On Wed, 03 Nov 2004 12:39:52 -0600, John Fields wrote:

On Wed, 03 Nov 2004 16:51:04 GMT, Rich Grise <rich@example.net> wrote:

On Wed, 03 Nov 2004 07:14:49 -0600, John Fields wrote:

On Wed, 03 Nov 2004 01:18:27 GMT, Rich Grise <rich@example.net> wrote:


Kerry's ahead, 74-66 at 5:14 PST.



---
Don't count your chickens before the fat lady sings.

(-: (-: (-: (-: (-: (-: (-: (-: (-: (-: (-: (-: (-: (-: (-: (-: (-:

Yup, I guess either it _is_ possible to bugger up a whole election,
or there really are that many people that are that stupid.

---
Yes, and they almost elected Kerry.
---

Oh, well, reality is what reality is.

---
And, most likely, not at all what it appears to be. ;-)

Oh, I see. You're privy to some new inside information, huh?

Like, murder is OK if it's done with the support of a duped electorate?

No, thanks.
Rich

 

[Rich Grise]

On Wed, 03 Nov 2004 16:13:39 -0600, John Fields wrote:

On Wed, 03 Nov 2004 21:40:07 GMT, Rich Grise <rich@example.net> wrote:


Great! Give me your best shot! Or is that what you've been doing?

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Hmmm...
I thought I turned that boring, repetitive station off.

OK.

 

[Don Pearce]

On Tue, 02 Nov 2004 12:43:12 +0000, Paul Burridge
<pb@notthisbit.osiris1.co.uk> wrote:

On Tue, 2 Nov 2004 02:08:37 -0700, Marc 182
marc182spamless@globalcrossing.net> wrote:

In article <ubrco0lbeses3mm3qqqa3gqaq7g8jvnlc6@4ax.com>,
thegreatone@example.com says...
My oldest daughter is a candidate (and most likely winner) for
Chairman of the Republican Party in Yuma County, Arizona ;-)

...Jim Thompson

Congrats. I'm a Dem who grew up in Yuma. It's a flexable county, Dems
and Repubs have done well there now and again. I hope that she herself
remains flexable as well and doesn't feel obligated to tow the party
line.

I'm sure she'll only tow the Nazi line her dear old dad has
indoctrinated her into.

What is all this "tow the line" business? It is "toe the line", from
the days of bare knuckle fighting, when boxers would each stand behind
a line before the fight. If you followed the rules, and didn't step
beyond the mark too early you were toeing the line.

d
Pearce Consulting
http://www.pearce.uk.com

 

[Spehro Pefhany]

On Mon, 01 Nov 2004 10:10:10 -0700, the renowned Jim Thompson
<thegreatone@example.com> wrote:

My oldest daughter is a candidate (and most likely winner) for
Chairman of the Republican Party in Yuma County, Arizona ;-)

...Jim Thompson

Congratulations! P.S. Did you get the e-mail I sent?


Best regards,
Spehro Pefhany
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[R. Steve Walz]

Glenn Gundlach wrote:

Paul Burridge <pb@notthisbit.osiris1.co.uk> wrote in message news:<c30fo0l4fq2gi9b5oo1p9nq2h216bnqoss@4ax.com>...
On Tue, 2 Nov 2004 02:08:37 -0700, Marc 182
marc182spamless@globalcrossing.net> wrote:

In article <ubrco0lbeses3mm3qqqa3gqaq7g8jvnlc6@4ax.com>,
thegreatone@example.com says...
My oldest daughter is a candidate (and most likely winner) for
Chairman of the Republican Party in Yuma County, Arizona ;-)

...Jim Thompson

Congrats. I'm a Dem who grew up in Yuma. It's a flexable county, Dems
and Repubs have done well there now and again. I hope that she herself
remains flexable as well and doesn't feel obligated to tow the party
line.

I'm sure she'll only tow the Nazi line her dear old dad has
indoctrinated her into.

'Nazi line' ? Go read a history book.
gg
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Nazi's are Rightists, like Republicans, YOU go read history!

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In <418B3FEF.17CF@armory.com>, on 11/05/04 at 08:48 AM,
"R. Steve Walz" <rstevew@armory.com> said:

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Nazi's are Rightists, like Republicans, YOU go read history!

Steve,

You come flying in here this AM with twenty posts spouting all kinds of
misinformation and that is okay. Everyone seems to want to publicly embarass
themselves in this group, why would you be any different.

I realize you won't change your mind, and you will probably respond with some
really mean spirited comments, but I will take my turn on the soap box and ask
if it might be possible for all of us, not just you, but all of us, to knock
off the comments that have to include the accusation that someone is a Nazi?

I am all for free speech, and the use of the word does not offend me, but what
does offend me is the selective political correctness we suffer from, for if I
was to constantly throw out the word 'nigger' many would be up in arms. Would
they be justified? I don't know, but frankly, if there is going to be a
reasonable dialog, there might ought to be some rules, and if its considered
wrong to call someone a nigger, then perhaps its wrong to call someone a
nazi. Fair is fair.

Before you regurgitate venom all over the list because of this post, just stop
and think about maybe keeping it on an even keel and see if you can voice an
opinion without attaching racist, bigoted comments to it?

Just thought it might add an air of civility and class to the group........
<g>

John